Knicks are 4-3 and in their last 7.
Barrett is averaging 19 pts 5 rebs and 3 asts on 48% shooting.
Robinson is averaging 14 pts 8 rebs and 2 blks on 79% shooting.
Hopefully this is going to continue. These guys are the foundation and capable of changing the outlook of this franchise.
Frank and Knox are also showing some minor progress, although the stats aren't fully reflecting that yet besides Frank's big game the other day. But progress is progress.
Loving what RJ and Mitch are doing though and considering it's with such an ill-fitting supporting cast, i think getting the right players with them next year will really bring out their potential.
Knixkik wrote:Knicks are 4-3 and in their last 7.Barrett is averaging 19 pts 5 rebs and 3 asts on 48% shooting.
Robinson is averaging 14 pts 8 rebs and 2 blks on 79% shooting.
Hopefully this is going to continue. These guys are the foundation and capable of changing the outlook of this franchise.
Frank and Knox are also showing some minor progress, although the stats aren't fully reflecting that yet besides Frank's big game the other day. But progress is progress.
Loving what RJ and Mitch are doing though and considering it's with such an ill-fitting supporting cast, i think getting the right players with them next year will really bring out their potential.
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Since all star break for Frank (8 games, so same time period): 9 pts, 3 assists, 45% shooting, 40% from 3, 58% TS, one big lockdown hug on Westbrook.
And that includes last night's stinker where he went 1-7.
martin wrote:Knixkik wrote:Knicks are 4-3 and in their last 7.Barrett is averaging 19 pts 5 rebs and 3 asts on 48% shooting.
Robinson is averaging 14 pts 8 rebs and 2 blks on 79% shooting.
Hopefully this is going to continue. These guys are the foundation and capable of changing the outlook of this franchise.
Frank and Knox are also showing some minor progress, although the stats aren't fully reflecting that yet besides Frank's big game the other day. But progress is progress.
Loving what RJ and Mitch are doing though and considering it's with such an ill-fitting supporting cast, i think getting the right players with them next year will really bring out their potential.
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Since all star break for Frank (8 games, so same time period): 9 pts, 3 assists, 45% shooting, 40% from 3, 58% TS, one big lockdown hug on Westbrook.
And that includes last night's stinker where he went 1-7.
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while that's a big improvement, you're impressed by that line, or his season stats?
SupremeCommander wrote:martin wrote:Knixkik wrote:Knicks are 4-3 and in their last 7.Barrett is averaging 19 pts 5 rebs and 3 asts on 48% shooting.
Robinson is averaging 14 pts 8 rebs and 2 blks on 79% shooting.
Hopefully this is going to continue. These guys are the foundation and capable of changing the outlook of this franchise.
Frank and Knox are also showing some minor progress, although the stats aren't fully reflecting that yet besides Frank's big game the other day. But progress is progress.
Loving what RJ and Mitch are doing though and considering it's with such an ill-fitting supporting cast, i think getting the right players with them next year will really bring out their potential.
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Since all star break for Frank (8 games, so same time period): 9 pts, 3 assists, 45% shooting, 40% from 3, 58% TS, one big lockdown hug on Westbrook.
And that includes last night's stinker where he went 1-7.
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while that's a big improvement, you're impressed by that line, or his season stats?
absolutely the 40% from 3 and his overall evolution in type of play.
I would say that my barometer is set differently than most and the rose colored glasses that I am looking thru is just that: rose colored. I keep asking myself "what is he doing differently" and I keep getting answers. As long as he improves, who cares how slowly it is?
To add: I think Frank came into the league about 2 years too early, so I am almost viewing this as his first year where I'd start the measuring stick on him. His body was nowhere ready, his acclimation to the NBA and USA culture wasn't nearly where it should have been. He was a boy, still growing and figuring out his body and arms. His confidence and play reflected it.
Is it fair? Don't know and don't care. If Frank came into the league this year and performed how he did, what would we be thinking? Or if he was in the GLeague (or stashed abroad) for 2 years would we view this differently?
When a player flatlines, then I'd be less impressed.
His FT shooting motion is gorgeous and I think he should be able to replicate that in all other areas.
He finally is probing into the lane and keeping his dribble.
This is all gold IMHO
I would add that Frank will never never overpower a stat line, just not that type of player. He will effect play on the court. Hopefully he continues to do so on O end.
I don't think Frank was even doing this type of thing a couple of months ago:
martin wrote:I would add that Frank will never never overpower a stat line, just not that type of player. He will effect play on the court. Hopefully he continues to do so on O end.
I actually disagree and think his scoring will balloon, especially if he shoots 40% from 3.
I also think we have absolutely seen a change in Frank since Rose took over. I dont know what was said but we do know Frank has spoken glowingly about Leon and been positive about their recent conversations and the mentality of the player we are seeing surely has an uptick in confidence and aggression.
There were folks here saying he's likely not an NBA player, and that has clearly changed. At worst he's a backup PG/defensive specialist off the bench. The Marcus Smart comparison has been used a few times. However I think Frank has a much higher offensive ceiling, especially when he really learns to use his size to score on other guards.
I feel like he just need to stay healthy. He's been in the this role for awhile and has really grown. The more we see Frank the more apparent its becoming that he WILL get better, just how much and how soon seems to be the 
martin wrote:I would add that Frank will never never overpower a stat line, just not that type of player. He will effect play on the court. Hopefully he continues to do so on O end.
agreed. Frank is never gonna be a big stats guy. But the effect he had on the court is huge. I do like what I’ve seen offensively lately. He is never gonna be a big offensive player but he still has so much impact defensively
For all the talk of Atkinson being a developmental coach, so is Miller. Has to juggle time for the vets as well. From what Miller said, in coordination with the front office.
GustavBahler wrote:For all the talk of Atkinson being a developmental coach, so is Miller. Has to juggle time for the vets as well. From what Miller said, in coordination with the front office.
it would be a cool story if Miller stuck
martin wrote:I don't think Frank was even doing this type of thing a couple of months ago:
He's been watching and learning from Payton how to use his dribble to get into the paint.
Sambakick wrote:martin wrote:I don't think Frank was even doing this type of thing a couple of months ago:
He's been watching and learning from Payton how to use his dribble to get into the paint.
He's learning from somebody because i saw him go coast to coast the other night for the first time in his NBA career. He should have stayed in france for another 2 yrs, or the g league
I still think Rose will trade him because he has more value than DSJ, the FA class sucks, along with draft class, so where would our trade chips come from?
If we do somehow trade for CP3, they will want frank, seeing that most of our one yr contracts will have to be renounced (since they were grossly overpaid) to open up cap space
martin wrote:Knixkik wrote:Knicks are 4-3 and in their last 7.Barrett is averaging 19 pts 5 rebs and 3 asts on 48% shooting.
Robinson is averaging 14 pts 8 rebs and 2 blks on 79% shooting.
Hopefully this is going to continue. These guys are the foundation and capable of changing the outlook of this franchise.
Frank and Knox are also showing some minor progress, although the stats aren't fully reflecting that yet besides Frank's big game the other day. But progress is progress.
Loving what RJ and Mitch are doing though and considering it's with such an ill-fitting supporting cast, i think getting the right players with them next year will really bring out their potential.
?
Since all star break for Frank (8 games, so same time period): 9 pts, 3 assists, 45% shooting, 40% from 3, 58% TS, one big lockdown hug on Westbrook.
And that includes last night's stinker where he went 1-7.
Yeah i guess his numbers have jumped a bit. He's just not a big stats guy and isn't doing it consistently yet. I still view him as a backup level player, but I see some growth for sure.
Knixkik wrote:martin wrote:Knixkik wrote:Knicks are 4-3 and in their last 7.Barrett is averaging 19 pts 5 rebs and 3 asts on 48% shooting.
Robinson is averaging 14 pts 8 rebs and 2 blks on 79% shooting.
Hopefully this is going to continue. These guys are the foundation and capable of changing the outlook of this franchise.
Frank and Knox are also showing some minor progress, although the stats aren't fully reflecting that yet besides Frank's big game the other day. But progress is progress.
Loving what RJ and Mitch are doing though and considering it's with such an ill-fitting supporting cast, i think getting the right players with them next year will really bring out their potential.
?
Since all star break for Frank (8 games, so same time period): 9 pts, 3 assists, 45% shooting, 40% from 3, 58% TS, one big lockdown hug on Westbrook.
And that includes last night's stinker where he went 1-7.
Yeah i guess his numbers have jumped a bit. He's just not a big stats guy and isn't doing it consistently yet. I still view him as a backup level player, but I see some growth for sure.
If we draft another pg, that will only hinder his development, which is what we have been doing since we drafted him
fishmike wrote:martin wrote:I would add that Frank will never never overpower a stat line, just not that type of player. He will effect play on the court. Hopefully he continues to do so on O end.
I actually disagree and think his scoring will balloon, especially if he shoots 40% from 3.
My opinion falls in between the two of yours.
From mid march to mid april of his rookie year he started seeing consistent minutes and averaged around 10/4/4 on 35% 3ptfg
https://www.espn.com/nba/player/gamelog/...
So with modest improvement he could eventually put up decent statlines.
He put up a near triple double and 2 blocks in this game 26 months ago.
https://www.espn.com/nba/boxscore?gameId...
He's always been able to stuff the stat sheet when given the chance.
Injuries and confidence woes are what is holding him back.
Sambakick wrote:fishmike wrote:martin wrote:I would add that Frank will never never overpower a stat line, just not that type of player. He will effect play on the court. Hopefully he continues to do so on O end.
I actually disagree and think his scoring will balloon, especially if he shoots 40% from 3.
My opinion falls in between the two of yours.
From mid march to mid april of his rookie year he started seeing consistent minutes and averaged around 10/4/4 on 35% 3ptfg
https://www.espn.com/nba/player/gamelog/...
So with modest improvement he could eventually put up decent statlines.
He put up a near triple double and 2 blocks in this game 26 months ago.
https://www.espn.com/nba/boxscore?gameId...
He's always been able to stuff the stat sheet when given the chance.
Injuries and confidence woes are what is holding him back.
I also think Miller was clear in his directive when he took over. I remember when he said he wanted his point guards to simply get paint touches. I think that simple strategy forced Frank to get more aggressive. Having a guy like Payton who is capable of teaching by example also helped. Frank should be able to get inside through his size alone. I'd get frustrated watching him play in the perimeter and not body guys like Shabazz Napier. Now Frank is using his size and strength to his advantage more. Now he needs to work on his finishing.
knicks1248 wrote:Sambakick wrote:martin wrote:I don't think Frank was even doing this type of thing a couple of months ago:
He's been watching and learning from Payton how to use his dribble to get into the paint.
He's learning from somebody because i saw him go coast to coast the other night for the first time in his NBA career. He should have stayed in france for another 2 yrs, or the g league
I still think Rose will trade him because he has more value than DSJ, the FA class sucks, along with draft class, so where would our trade chips come from?
If we do somehow trade for CP3, they will want frank, seeing that most of our one yr contracts will have to be renounced (since they were grossly overpaid) to open up cap space
LOL you are reading this completely wrong
knicks1248 wrote:Knixkik wrote:martin wrote:Knixkik wrote:Knicks are 4-3 and in their last 7.Barrett is averaging 19 pts 5 rebs and 3 asts on 48% shooting.
Robinson is averaging 14 pts 8 rebs and 2 blks on 79% shooting.
Hopefully this is going to continue. These guys are the foundation and capable of changing the outlook of this franchise.
Frank and Knox are also showing some minor progress, although the stats aren't fully reflecting that yet besides Frank's big game the other day. But progress is progress.
Loving what RJ and Mitch are doing though and considering it's with such an ill-fitting supporting cast, i think getting the right players with them next year will really bring out their potential.
?
Since all star break for Frank (8 games, so same time period): 9 pts, 3 assists, 45% shooting, 40% from 3, 58% TS, one big lockdown hug on Westbrook.
And that includes last night's stinker where he went 1-7.
Yeah i guess his numbers have jumped a bit. He's just not a big stats guy and isn't doing it consistently yet. I still view him as a backup level player, but I see some growth for sure.
If we draft another pg, that will only hinder his development, which is what we have been doing since we drafted him
These things are not Black and White. Frank plays well with other PGs, especially if his ability to shoot and cut continue to develop.
Draft a guy like Haliburton and they can play off of each other.
agree w post. Barrett will make a quantum leap if/when he starts hitting FT at 75+%. He will be punishing on offense because he likes to attack and if he can draw fouls in the process great.
Robinson is a stud. It's crazy to think what might happen if we had a real artist at pg. he is so quick off the floor and gets so high. in that regard he reminds me of McDyess in his college days when he seemed to soar above everyone else. Plus he can guard the perimeter. Yesterday Miller used him as part of a double team on Trae 30' away from the rim
Chandler wrote:agree w post. Barrett will make a quantum leap if/when he starts hitting FT at 75+%. He will be punishing on offense because he likes to attack and if he can draw fouls in the process great.Robinson is a stud. It's crazy to think what might happen if we had a real artist at pg. he is so quick off the floor and gets so high. in that regard he reminds me of McDyess in his college days when he seemed to soar above everyone else. Plus he can guard the perimeter. Yesterday Miller used him as part of a double team on Trae 30' away from the rim
Imagine that plus a jumpshot 
