Knicks · What Would It Take To Get Aaron Gordon? (page 1)

I see him as being a pretty good intangibles player and a nice fit with RJ Barrett and Mitchell Robinson in the frontcourt. The Magic are fairly expensive (more than $21 million over the cap next season) and I think that he might be a guy that could be made available. His offensive efficiency numbers have tanked this season, with the Magic continuing to play him out of position, and it's possible they look to do something else at that 3-spot. If so, what would it take to get him; particularly if we'd be willing go take on Al-Farouq Aminu's contract?

NardDogNation wrote:I see him as being a pretty good intangibles player and a nice fit with RJ Barrett and Mitchell Robinson in the frontcourt. The Magic are fairly expensive (more than $21 million over the cap next season) and I think that he might be a guy that could be made available. His offensive efficiency numbers have tanked this season, with the Magic continuing to play him out of position, and it's possible they look to do something else at that 3-spot. If so, what would it take to get him; particularly if we'd be willing go take on Al-Farouq Aminu's contract?

We need shooters, especially if we're building around Mitch and RJ as starters. Looking likely that whoever we draft won't be a good shooter either, so I'd be very hesitant at adding another non-shooter to the starting lineup

smackeddog wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:I see him as being a pretty good intangibles player and a nice fit with RJ Barrett and Mitchell Robinson in the frontcourt. The Magic are fairly expensive (more than $21 million over the cap next season) and I think that he might be a guy that could be made available. His offensive efficiency numbers have tanked this season, with the Magic continuing to play him out of position, and it's possible they look to do something else at that 3-spot. If so, what would it take to get him; particularly if we'd be willing go take on Al-Farouq Aminu's contract?

We need shooters, especially if we're building around Mitch and RJ as starters. Looking likely that whoever we draft won't be a good shooter either, so I'd be very hesitant at adding another non-shooter to the starting lineup

I wouldn't call Gordon a non-shooter but I do think he (along with Ntilikina) need spacers on the floor to help give them enough daylight to get into their shot mechanics. Last year, Gordon started the season at about 40% from 3 before tapering off to a respectable 35%. He never seemed to get much into a rhythm this year though and is an abysmal 30% from 3; 51TS%. Why that is? I'm not sure. The fact he could have a good shooting year from 3 makes me optimistic though especially when you consider how hard it is to get looks in that Magic offense.

Honestly the two Mavs picks would do it, though that might be a overpay.

We could probably send them Julius and the 2021 Mav pick to do it. Aaron might have more potential, but he’s not that much better than Julius.

Ideally we would send the Clippers pick, the 2023 Mav pick, and Julius who is an expiring.

Gordon is nice but I agree with smackeddog. You need shooters for Mitch and Rj

wargames wrote:Honestly the two Mavs picks would do it, though that might be a overpay.

We could probably send them Julius and the 2021 Mav pick to do it. Aaron might have more potential, but he’s not that much better than Julius.

Ideally we would send the Clippers pick, the 2023 Mav pick, and Julius who is an expiring.

I think he's worth more than that. The Magic have too many big men and don't need Randle. That means they'd be banking only on the value of those draft picks, which are not nearly as likely to get a player as good.

NYKBocker wrote:Gordon is nice but I agree with smackeddog. You need shooters for Mitch and Rj

You're assuming that neither Barrett or Mitchell learn to shoot.

Does this work in principle?

Knicks Trade: Reggie Bullock, Frank Ntilikina and $19 million cap space
Knicks Recieve: Aaron Gordon and Al Farouq Aminu

Magic Trade: Aaron Gordon and Al Farouq Aminu
Magic Recieve: Reggie Bullock, Jalen Brunson, Justin Jackson and $19 million cap space

Mavericks Trade: Jalen Brunson and Justin Jackson
Mavericks Recieve: Frank Ntilikina

NardDogNation wrote:Does this work in principle?

Knicks Trade: Reggie Bullock, Frank Ntilikina and $19 million cap space
Knicks Recieve: Aaron Gordon and Al Farouq Aminu

Magic Trade: Aaron Gordon and Al Farouq Aminu
Magic Recieve: Reggie Bullock, Jalen Brunson, Justin Jackson and $19 million cap space

Mavericks Trade: Jalen Brunson and Justin Jackson
Mavericks Recieve: Frank Ntilikina

Stop doing the Mavs favors in trade scenarios...... we don’t trade with them, we don’t trade with any team Masai is involved with.

wargames wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:Does this work in principle?

Knicks Trade: Reggie Bullock, Frank Ntilikina and $19 million cap space
Knicks Recieve: Aaron Gordon and Al Farouq Aminu

Magic Trade: Aaron Gordon and Al Farouq Aminu
Magic Recieve: Reggie Bullock, Jalen Brunson, Justin Jackson and $19 million cap space

Mavericks Trade: Jalen Brunson and Justin Jackson
Mavericks Recieve: Frank Ntilikina

Stop doing the Mavs favors in trade scenarios...... we don’t trade with them, we don’t trade with any team Masai is involved with.

How is this a favor?

NardDogNation wrote:

wargames wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:Does this work in principle?

Knicks Trade: Reggie Bullock, Frank Ntilikina and $19 million cap space
Knicks Recieve: Aaron Gordon and Al Farouq Aminu

Magic Trade: Aaron Gordon and Al Farouq Aminu
Magic Recieve: Reggie Bullock, Jalen Brunson, Justin Jackson and $19 million cap space

Mavericks Trade: Jalen Brunson and Justin Jackson
Mavericks Recieve: Frank Ntilikina

Stop doing the Mavs favors in trade scenarios...... we don’t trade with them, we don’t trade with any team Masai is involved with.

How is this a favor?

They need perimeter defense and frank knows both KP and Hardaway

Frank/Brunson
Timmy
Doncic
KP
Draft a center

Is a 4-5 seed.

We need them to be weak at the perimeter to give that 2021 pick higher value. That could be their long term roster and they would do damage.

wargames wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

wargames wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:Does this work in principle?

Knicks Trade: Reggie Bullock, Frank Ntilikina and $19 million cap space
Knicks Recieve: Aaron Gordon and Al Farouq Aminu

Magic Trade: Aaron Gordon and Al Farouq Aminu
Magic Recieve: Reggie Bullock, Jalen Brunson, Justin Jackson and $19 million cap space

Mavericks Trade: Jalen Brunson and Justin Jackson
Mavericks Recieve: Frank Ntilikina

Stop doing the Mavs favors in trade scenarios...... we don’t trade with them, we don’t trade with any team Masai is involved with.

How is this a favor?

They need perimeter defense and frank knows both KP and Hardaway

Frank/Brunson
Timmy
Doncic
KP
Draft a center

Is a 4-5 seed.

We need them to be weak at the perimeter to give that 2021 pick higher value. That could be their long term roster and they would do damage.

I think it's hard to argue that Ntilikina is better than Aaron Gordon. I also don't think Ntilikina will be good enough to radically alter the Mavs playoff prospects though I think he'll be a useful player. So I don't share your concerns.

NardDogNation wrote:

wargames wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

wargames wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:Does this work in principle?

Knicks Trade: Reggie Bullock, Frank Ntilikina and $19 million cap space
Knicks Recieve: Aaron Gordon and Al Farouq Aminu

Magic Trade: Aaron Gordon and Al Farouq Aminu
Magic Recieve: Reggie Bullock, Jalen Brunson, Justin Jackson and $19 million cap space

Mavericks Trade: Jalen Brunson and Justin Jackson
Mavericks Recieve: Frank Ntilikina

Stop doing the Mavs favors in trade scenarios...... we don’t trade with them, we don’t trade with any team Masai is involved with.

How is this a favor?

They need perimeter defense and frank knows both KP and Hardaway

Frank/Brunson
Timmy
Doncic
KP
Draft a center

Is a 4-5 seed.

We need them to be weak at the perimeter to give that 2021 pick higher value. That could be their long term roster and they would do damage.

I think it's hard to argue that Ntilikina is better than Aaron Gordon. I also don't think Ntilikina will be good enough to radically alter the Mavs playoff prospects though I think he'll be a useful player. So I don't share your concerns.

I don’t think you have to give Frank to the Mavs. Any other team in that trade fine, but we have a vested interest in the Mavs failure. Even giving them a “useful” player is too much.

wargames wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

wargames wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

wargames wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:Does this work in principle?

Knicks Trade: Reggie Bullock, Frank Ntilikina and $19 million cap space
Knicks Recieve: Aaron Gordon and Al Farouq Aminu

Magic Trade: Aaron Gordon and Al Farouq Aminu
Magic Recieve: Reggie Bullock, Jalen Brunson, Justin Jackson and $19 million cap space

Mavericks Trade: Jalen Brunson and Justin Jackson
Mavericks Recieve: Frank Ntilikina

Stop doing the Mavs favors in trade scenarios...... we don’t trade with them, we don’t trade with any team Masai is involved with.

How is this a favor?

They need perimeter defense and frank knows both KP and Hardaway

Frank/Brunson
Timmy
Doncic
KP
Draft a center

Is a 4-5 seed.

We need them to be weak at the perimeter to give that 2021 pick higher value. That could be their long term roster and they would do damage.

I think it's hard to argue that Ntilikina is better than Aaron Gordon. I also don't think Ntilikina will be good enough to radically alter the Mavs playoff prospects though I think he'll be a useful player. So I don't share your concerns.

I don’t think you have to give Frank to the Mavs. Any other team in that trade fine, but we have a vested interest in the Mavs failure. Even giving them a “useful” player is too much.

...the Mavs seem to be doing pretty well for themselves, with or without our help. The only way those picks end up being in the lottery is if Porzingis (and/or Doncic) gets badly injured. That's a distinct possibility; one that would not be effected by year-4 or year-6 Ntilikina

wargames wrote:Honestly the two Mavs picks would do it, though that might be a overpay.

We could probably send them Julius and the 2021 Mav pick to do it. Aaron might have more potential, but he’s not that much better than Julius.

Ideally we would send the Clippers pick, the 2023 Mav pick, and Julius who is an expiring.

IIRC, the 2021 Mavericks first round pick is unprotected ( Someone can clarify if I'm wrong, I haven't been so up to date for a while) The 2023 one is top 10 protected. If Doncic and/or Zinger and/or more Mavericks go down with COVID19, where does that leave that team? We also don't know what impact a future draft will have if the league has to adjust something with loss of a season , etc.

Those picks could end up being pretty valuable.

Then again, the college game could be so decimated ( college age kids don't even know how college will work for them this year, and maybe forever) that those picks could also be worthless.

NardDogNation wrote:

wargames wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

wargames wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

wargames wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:Does this work in principle?

Knicks Trade: Reggie Bullock, Frank Ntilikina and $19 million cap space
Knicks Recieve: Aaron Gordon and Al Farouq Aminu

Magic Trade: Aaron Gordon and Al Farouq Aminu
Magic Recieve: Reggie Bullock, Jalen Brunson, Justin Jackson and $19 million cap space

Mavericks Trade: Jalen Brunson and Justin Jackson
Mavericks Recieve: Frank Ntilikina

Stop doing the Mavs favors in trade scenarios...... we don’t trade with them, we don’t trade with any team Masai is involved with.

How is this a favor?

They need perimeter defense and frank knows both KP and Hardaway

Frank/Brunson
Timmy
Doncic
KP
Draft a center

Is a 4-5 seed.

We need them to be weak at the perimeter to give that 2021 pick higher value. That could be their long term roster and they would do damage.

I think it's hard to argue that Ntilikina is better than Aaron Gordon. I also don't think Ntilikina will be good enough to radically alter the Mavs playoff prospects though I think he'll be a useful player. So I don't share your concerns.

I don’t think you have to give Frank to the Mavs. Any other team in that trade fine, but we have a vested interest in the Mavs failure. Even giving them a “useful” player is too much.

...the Mavs seem to be doing pretty well for themselves, with or without our help. The only way those picks end up being in the lottery is if Porzingis (and/or Doncic) gets badly injured. That's a distinct possibility; one that would not be effected by year-4 or year-6 Ntilikina

That’s why we play the game. Especially the 2021 pick. The 2021 draft is the opposite of this year and deep. If they fall into the lottery. We might legit come away next year with two really good players.

Also the Mavs aren’t a lock to be in the playoffs. There is a whole tier of teams out west fighting for A top seed spot

Lakers
Clippers
Rockets
Warriors
Denver

Those are almost all locks for the playoffs next year. Then you got the Mavs tier.

Blazers
Pelicans
Thunder
Jazz
Grizzlies
Spurs
Mavs

Competing for three Playoff spots left and behind them the young teams (which the Mavs are still relatively close too in talent.....)

Kings
Wolves
Suns

All got all star caliber players on the roster too. There is a legit chance Mavs don’t become a playoff team because of weak perimeter defense. Literally that is the one major flaw.

By 2023 the Mavs are for sure a playoff team, but next year they could send us a 12-14 pick and it’s that deep of a draft that would be a top 5 pick this year talent wise. The west is as stacked as it’s been in years. We shouldn’t do the Mavs any favors. If anything trade Frank to anyone else to go after Gordon.

wargames wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

wargames wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

wargames wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

wargames wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:Does this work in principle?

Knicks Trade: Reggie Bullock, Frank Ntilikina and $19 million cap space
Knicks Recieve: Aaron Gordon and Al Farouq Aminu

Magic Trade: Aaron Gordon and Al Farouq Aminu
Magic Recieve: Reggie Bullock, Jalen Brunson, Justin Jackson and $19 million cap space

Mavericks Trade: Jalen Brunson and Justin Jackson
Mavericks Recieve: Frank Ntilikina

Stop doing the Mavs favors in trade scenarios...... we don’t trade with them, we don’t trade with any team Masai is involved with.

How is this a favor?

They need perimeter defense and frank knows both KP and Hardaway

Frank/Brunson
Timmy
Doncic
KP
Draft a center

Is a 4-5 seed.

We need them to be weak at the perimeter to give that 2021 pick higher value. That could be their long term roster and they would do damage.

I think it's hard to argue that Ntilikina is better than Aaron Gordon. I also don't think Ntilikina will be good enough to radically alter the Mavs playoff prospects though I think he'll be a useful player. So I don't share your concerns.

I don’t think you have to give Frank to the Mavs. Any other team in that trade fine, but we have a vested interest in the Mavs failure. Even giving them a “useful” player is too much.

...the Mavs seem to be doing pretty well for themselves, with or without our help. The only way those picks end up being in the lottery is if Porzingis (and/or Doncic) gets badly injured. That's a distinct possibility; one that would not be effected by year-4 or year-6 Ntilikina

That’s why we play the game. Especially the 2021 pick. The 2021 draft is the opposite of this year and deep. If they fall into the lottery. We might legit come away next year with two really good players.

Also the Mavs aren’t a lock to be in the playoffs. There is a whole tier of teams out west fighting for A top seed spot

Lakers
Clippers
Rockets
Warriors
Denver

Those are almost all locks for the playoffs next year. Then you got the Mavs tier.

Blazers
Pelicans
Thunder
Jazz
Grizzlies
Spurs
Mavs

Competing for three Playoff spots left and behind them the young teams (which the Mavs are still relatively close too in talent.....)

Kings
Wolves
Suns

All got all star caliber players on the roster too. There is a legit chance Mavs don’t become a playoff team because of weak perimeter defense. Literally that is the one major flaw.

By 2023 the Mavs are for sure a playoff team, but next year they could send us a 12-14 pick and it’s that deep of a draft that would be a top 5 pick this year talent wise. The west is as stacked as it’s been in years. We shouldn’t do the Mavs any favors. If anything trade Frank to anyone else to go after Gordon.

If the 2021 draft is every bit as deep as you say, why would you be so concerned with losing a spot or two in it? The 2023 pick is protected top-14, so we wouldn't be getting a lottery pick in any case.

NardDogNation wrote:

wargames wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

wargames wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

wargames wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

wargames wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:Does this work in principle?

Knicks Trade: Reggie Bullock, Frank Ntilikina and $19 million cap space
Knicks Recieve: Aaron Gordon and Al Farouq Aminu

Magic Trade: Aaron Gordon and Al Farouq Aminu
Magic Recieve: Reggie Bullock, Jalen Brunson, Justin Jackson and $19 million cap space

Mavericks Trade: Jalen Brunson and Justin Jackson
Mavericks Recieve: Frank Ntilikina

Stop doing the Mavs favors in trade scenarios...... we don’t trade with them, we don’t trade with any team Masai is involved with.

How is this a favor?

They need perimeter defense and frank knows both KP and Hardaway

Frank/Brunson
Timmy
Doncic
KP
Draft a center

Is a 4-5 seed.

We need them to be weak at the perimeter to give that 2021 pick higher value. That could be their long term roster and they would do damage.

I think it's hard to argue that Ntilikina is better than Aaron Gordon. I also don't think Ntilikina will be good enough to radically alter the Mavs playoff prospects though I think he'll be a useful player. So I don't share your concerns.

I don’t think you have to give Frank to the Mavs. Any other team in that trade fine, but we have a vested interest in the Mavs failure. Even giving them a “useful” player is too much.

...the Mavs seem to be doing pretty well for themselves, with or without our help. The only way those picks end up being in the lottery is if Porzingis (and/or Doncic) gets badly injured. That's a distinct possibility; one that would not be effected by year-4 or year-6 Ntilikina

That’s why we play the game. Especially the 2021 pick. The 2021 draft is the opposite of this year and deep. If they fall into the lottery. We might legit come away next year with two really good players.

Also the Mavs aren’t a lock to be in the playoffs. There is a whole tier of teams out west fighting for A top seed spot

Lakers
Clippers
Rockets
Warriors
Denver

Those are almost all locks for the playoffs next year. Then you got the Mavs tier.

Blazers
Pelicans
Thunder
Jazz
Grizzlies
Spurs
Mavs

Competing for three Playoff spots left and behind them the young teams (which the Mavs are still relatively close too in talent.....)

Kings
Wolves
Suns

All got all star caliber players on the roster too. There is a legit chance Mavs don’t become a playoff team because of weak perimeter defense. Literally that is the one major flaw.

By 2023 the Mavs are for sure a playoff team, but next year they could send us a 12-14 pick and it’s that deep of a draft that would be a top 5 pick this year talent wise. The west is as stacked as it’s been in years. We shouldn’t do the Mavs any favors. If anything trade Frank to anyone else to go after Gordon.

If the 2021 draft is every bit as deep as you say, why would you be so concerned with losing a spot or two in it? The 2023 pick is protected top-14, so we wouldn't be getting a lottery pick in any case.

At this point you’re just disagreeing to try and make a point that doesn’t need to be made. I explained why we shouldn’t trade Frank to the Mavs. I would be ok with him going to any other team in the league for Gordon. Also I think better perimeter defense could make the Mavs significantly better. Even last year they were attempting to get Patrick Beverly because they’ve identified that as their only major flaw.

2023 pick is protected top 10 and I actually support moving it. 2023 should be a weaker draft. The protections on it make limited it in a lot of ways as well. The 2021 and 2022 Drafts are slated to both be deep in talent and what is left will be in the 2023 draft.

Either way that’s just the way it is

wargames wrote:2023 pick is protected top 10 and I actually support moving it. 2023 should be a weaker draft. The protections on it make limited it in a lot of ways as well. The 2021 and 2022 Drafts are slated to both be deep in talent and what is left will be in the 2023 draft.

In 2023, half the NBA might be medically retired. It's just really hard to say what the future or even near future will bring. It's hard to determine college talent if there are no college games. Will there be college games and when and for how long? I'm not saying the Knicks should trade or not trade, I am saying projecting the quality of future NBA drafts is now a dicey proposition.

The other thing is the league can decide to shut down all league operations at any time. Meaning no trades, no league business, no signings, etc, etc.

Many teams will be less apt to create too much change when the general playing/league environment is still so uncertain.

Player movement will also have different factors. If you are a FA and want to sign with a new team, do you want to uproot your family and move them in a COVID19 environment? Would you take less to stay entrenched where at least you have some familiarity? If the cap takes a bit hit, will a lot of veteran free agents get left out in the cold? How the FA market is impacted will have a ripple effect on the value and usage of the NBA draft and it's picks.

wargames wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

wargames wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

wargames wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

wargames wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

wargames wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:Does this work in principle?

Knicks Trade: Reggie Bullock, Frank Ntilikina and $19 million cap space
Knicks Recieve: Aaron Gordon and Al Farouq Aminu

Magic Trade: Aaron Gordon and Al Farouq Aminu
Magic Recieve: Reggie Bullock, Jalen Brunson, Justin Jackson and $19 million cap space

Mavericks Trade: Jalen Brunson and Justin Jackson
Mavericks Recieve: Frank Ntilikina

Stop doing the Mavs favors in trade scenarios...... we don’t trade with them, we don’t trade with any team Masai is involved with.

How is this a favor?

They need perimeter defense and frank knows both KP and Hardaway

Frank/Brunson
Timmy
Doncic
KP
Draft a center

Is a 4-5 seed.

We need them to be weak at the perimeter to give that 2021 pick higher value. That could be their long term roster and they would do damage.

I think it's hard to argue that Ntilikina is better than Aaron Gordon. I also don't think Ntilikina will be good enough to radically alter the Mavs playoff prospects though I think he'll be a useful player. So I don't share your concerns.

I don’t think you have to give Frank to the Mavs. Any other team in that trade fine, but we have a vested interest in the Mavs failure. Even giving them a “useful” player is too much.

...the Mavs seem to be doing pretty well for themselves, with or without our help. The only way those picks end up being in the lottery is if Porzingis (and/or Doncic) gets badly injured. That's a distinct possibility; one that would not be effected by year-4 or year-6 Ntilikina

That’s why we play the game. Especially the 2021 pick. The 2021 draft is the opposite of this year and deep. If they fall into the lottery. We might legit come away next year with two really good players.

Also the Mavs aren’t a lock to be in the playoffs. There is a whole tier of teams out west fighting for A top seed spot

Lakers
Clippers
Rockets
Warriors
Denver

Those are almost all locks for the playoffs next year. Then you got the Mavs tier.

Blazers
Pelicans
Thunder
Jazz
Grizzlies
Spurs
Mavs

Competing for three Playoff spots left and behind them the young teams (which the Mavs are still relatively close too in talent.....)

Kings
Wolves
Suns

All got all star caliber players on the roster too. There is a legit chance Mavs don’t become a playoff team because of weak perimeter defense. Literally that is the one major flaw.

By 2023 the Mavs are for sure a playoff team, but next year they could send us a 12-14 pick and it’s that deep of a draft that would be a top 5 pick this year talent wise. The west is as stacked as it’s been in years. We shouldn’t do the Mavs any favors. If anything trade Frank to anyone else to go after Gordon.

If the 2021 draft is every bit as deep as you say, why would you be so concerned with losing a spot or two in it? The 2023 pick is protected top-14, so we wouldn't be getting a lottery pick in any case.

At this point you’re just disagreeing to try and make a point that doesn’t need to be made.I explained why we shouldn’t trade Frank to the Mavs. I would be ok with him going to any other team in the league for Gordon. Also I think better perimeter defense could make the Mavs significantly better. Even last year they were attempting to get Patrick Beverly because they’ve identified that as their only major flaw.

2023 pick is protected top 10 and I actually support moving it. 2023 should be a weaker draft. The protections on it make limited it in a lot of ways as well. The 2021 and 2022 Drafts are slated to both be deep in talent and what is left will be in the 2023 draft.

Either way that’s just the way it is

I'm not. I'm actually a fan of Ntilikina but even I don't understand your love for him. It's his 3rd year and first time posting a positive win-share (0.9) and win-share per 48 minutes (.037). By comparison, Jalen Brunson has a 2.3 WS and .108 yet you have Ntilikina on this pedestal as though he can instantly transform a team.

You're right about the protection on the 2023 pick though. In any case, I don't think Ntilikina would have a dramatic effect on it either.

NardDogNation wrote:

wargames wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

wargames wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

wargames wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

wargames wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

wargames wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:Does this work in principle?

Knicks Trade: Reggie Bullock, Frank Ntilikina and $19 million cap space
Knicks Recieve: Aaron Gordon and Al Farouq Aminu

Magic Trade: Aaron Gordon and Al Farouq Aminu
Magic Recieve: Reggie Bullock, Jalen Brunson, Justin Jackson and $19 million cap space

Mavericks Trade: Jalen Brunson and Justin Jackson
Mavericks Recieve: Frank Ntilikina

Stop doing the Mavs favors in trade scenarios...... we don’t trade with them, we don’t trade with any team Masai is involved with.

How is this a favor?

They need perimeter defense and frank knows both KP and Hardaway

Frank/Brunson
Timmy
Doncic
KP
Draft a center

Is a 4-5 seed.

We need them to be weak at the perimeter to give that 2021 pick higher value. That could be their long term roster and they would do damage.

I think it's hard to argue that Ntilikina is better than Aaron Gordon. I also don't think Ntilikina will be good enough to radically alter the Mavs playoff prospects though I think he'll be a useful player. So I don't share your concerns.

I don’t think you have to give Frank to the Mavs. Any other team in that trade fine, but we have a vested interest in the Mavs failure. Even giving them a “useful” player is too much.

...the Mavs seem to be doing pretty well for themselves, with or without our help. The only way those picks end up being in the lottery is if Porzingis (and/or Doncic) gets badly injured. That's a distinct possibility; one that would not be effected by year-4 or year-6 Ntilikina

That’s why we play the game. Especially the 2021 pick. The 2021 draft is the opposite of this year and deep. If they fall into the lottery. We might legit come away next year with two really good players.

Also the Mavs aren’t a lock to be in the playoffs. There is a whole tier of teams out west fighting for A top seed spot

Lakers
Clippers
Rockets
Warriors
Denver

Those are almost all locks for the playoffs next year. Then you got the Mavs tier.

Blazers
Pelicans
Thunder
Jazz
Grizzlies
Spurs
Mavs

Competing for three Playoff spots left and behind them the young teams (which the Mavs are still relatively close too in talent.....)

Kings
Wolves
Suns

All got all star caliber players on the roster too. There is a legit chance Mavs don’t become a playoff team because of weak perimeter defense. Literally that is the one major flaw.

By 2023 the Mavs are for sure a playoff team, but next year they could send us a 12-14 pick and it’s that deep of a draft that would be a top 5 pick this year talent wise. The west is as stacked as it’s been in years. We shouldn’t do the Mavs any favors. If anything trade Frank to anyone else to go after Gordon.

If the 2021 draft is every bit as deep as you say, why would you be so concerned with losing a spot or two in it? The 2023 pick is protected top-14, so we wouldn't be getting a lottery pick in any case.

At this point you’re just disagreeing to try and make a point that doesn’t need to be made.I explained why we shouldn’t trade Frank to the Mavs. I would be ok with him going to any other team in the league for Gordon. Also I think better perimeter defense could make the Mavs significantly better. Even last year they were attempting to get Patrick Beverly because they’ve identified that as their only major flaw.

2023 pick is protected top 10 and I actually support moving it. 2023 should be a weaker draft. The protections on it make limited it in a lot of ways as well. The 2021 and 2022 Drafts are slated to both be deep in talent and what is left will be in the 2023 draft.

Either way that’s just the way it is

I'm not. I'm actually a fan of Ntilikina but even I don't understand your love for him. It's his 3rd year and first time posting a positive win-share (0.9) and win-share per 48 minutes (.037). By comparison, Jalen Brunson has a 2.3 WS and .108 yet you have Ntilikina on this pedestal as though he can instantly transform a team.

You're right about the protection on the 2023 pick though. In any case, I don't think Ntilikina would have a dramatic effect on it either.

My whole point is perimeter defense. When you’re offense is as loaded as the Mavs someone who can make Harden/Dame/SGA & Schroeder/Mitchell/Morant work all game can be the difference between a tight loss and a tight win. All Frank would have to do that team is shoot the ball maybe 5 times a game, hit twice, defend and maybe..... Maybe a little ball handling and the Mavs would win games. It’s not all stats. Players like Frank excel when they are giving more narrow tasks.

Also please hear what I am saying. They can trade Frank to any other team except the one team whose picks we have that his skill set could help. Also you know what the FO is probably looking at it just like I am and I willing ban bet if/when they trade him it won’t be to the Mavs.

We aren’t even talking about Aaron Gordon anymore because you refuse to let this go because you keep trying to make a pointless point.