Knicks · I think it's almost a guarantee we sign Gallinari this offseason (page 1)

He's a CAA guy and he's a stretch 4 Rose has been speaking about us needing.
He's the ideal fit with Barrett as a great outside shooter that can also handle the ball and get to the line.
The last 3 teams he has been on (okc, Lac, and Denver) have all overachieved with him as a main piece. He's a top 50 player and probably should have been an all-star in LA.

His age (about to turn 32) is a concern as well as injury, but the positive is he's a low mileage player and he's improving later in his career with his improved shooter and BBIQ. He should continue to stay productive and not decline because of his skillset, similar to how JJ Redick has improved into his mid 30s.

The goal should be to build around our young core of Barrett, Robinson and our lottery pick to maximize their potential, and Gallinari can help do that over the next 4 years. I'm thinking he probably gets 4/80 mil which puts him thru his age 35 season.

I would move Randle to the bench and play him primary as a backup center (along with a few minutes at PF to keep him at the 26-28 mpg mark) and let him feast against backup bigs without the pressure of fitting alongside Barrett and Robinson. Haliburton stands out to me as a very likely draft pick as he fits with his shooting, passing, and defensive versatility. A backcourt of Haliburton and Barrett and a frontcourt of Gallinari, Robinson, and another 3-and-D big wing (with Randle as 6th man) is a start to getting us at least in a better place with improved outside shooting, passing, and athleticism in the lineup.

Gallinaris knee would pop on this team in two weeks

So what type of contract will it take to get Gallo to NY? He is already on a solid playoff team for probably another year or so?

Min 3-4 years at $20+M?

Worth it? Especially that third/forth year?

BRIGGS wrote:Gallinaris knee would pop on this team in two weeks

Dude had a hard time staying healthy

martin wrote:So what type of contract will it take to get Gallo to NY? He is already on a solid playoff team for probably another year or so?

Min 3-4 years at $20+M?

Worth it? Especially that third/forth year?

I'm guessing 4/80, so 20 a year, and i don't see Okc paying them. Their ownership basically just went bankrupt. They are still planning full rebuild mode i think, they are just buying some time this year. I expect either Chris Paul to be moved or Gallinari to be let go, or both. Gallinari ends up either in NY or Miami thru some typical backdoor deal they do.

So I get that Gallo is a smart PF type player who can spread the floor and that would help RJ and Mitch and the offense. But what are the downsides?

Gonna need to move Randle to the bench, he ain't gonna be a happy camper.

You take PF/SF minutes away from Knox, Iggy and perhaps Wooten down the line.

Injury prone.

4th year and maybe even 3rd year will not be worth $20M.

Is he the type of player that moves the needle and gets you to the playoffs next year?

Does he really only solve 1 short term problem and add too many?

martin wrote:So I get that Gallo is a smart PF type player who can spread the floor and that would help RJ and Mitch and the offense. But what are the downsides?

Gonna need to move Randle to the bench, he ain't gonna be a happy camper.

You take PF/SF minutes away from Knox, Iggy and perhaps Wooten down the line.

Injury prone.

4th year and maybe even 3rd year will not be worth $20M.

Is he the type of player that moves the needle and gets you to the playoffs next year?

Does he really only solve 1 short term problem and add too many?

It's a fair assessment. I think Randle either needs to go or be moved to the bench. He just doesn't fit in the lineup right now. And i don't know if Gallinari is the answer at all. I like how his team's always overachieve but the concerns are very obvious.

Still, it's not about whether or not its a good idea, i'm just simply pointing to the fact that all indications are this is a guy that Rose will likely be negotiating with come October.

Knixkik wrote:oung core of Barrett, Robinson and our lottery pick to maximize their potential, and Gallinari can help do that over the next 4 years. I'm thinking he probably gets 4/80 mil which puts him thru his age 35 season.

Depending on what happens to the cap, he might end up with a one year deal.

The Knicks are a cash rich team so they can weather COVID19 financially. Other teams are not in the same position.

Something looming is the ability to deal with insurance in the league might take some dramatic shifts. This will start to bleed into decisions that teams are going to make.

Gallo has really worked on his game over the years so good for him considering his injury woes, but he's a middle tier type player and guys like that are going to get squeezed with the new normal for the NBA economy

The next issue is if guys are going to get cut rate deals, many will just go ring chase. At that point, why not. If you have a third of the league with Washington General type rosters, the future of any TV deal the NBA gets takes a massive hit. NBA general attendance at games might never recover. You factor in price plus amenities plus risk and people will stay home.

You only sign Gallo if you can move Randle.

NYKBocker wrote:You only sign Gallo if you can move Randle.

Not sure about that. Gallo can shoot from the outside and is a high IQ guy. He would also help bring the team together.
I think Gallo can really help the younger guys. As for his defense and health...
I don't mind Randle that much, but I wouldn't be hurt if we moved him either.

I’d rather get Bertans.

TripleThreat wrote:

Knixkik wrote:oung core of Barrett, Robinson and our lottery pick to maximize their potential, and Gallinari can help do that over the next 4 years. I'm thinking he probably gets 4/80 mil which puts him thru his age 35 season.

Depending on what happens to the cap, he might end up with a one year deal.

The Knicks are a cash rich team so they can weather COVID19 financially. Other teams are not in the same position.

Something looming is the ability to deal with insurance in the league might take some dramatic shifts. This will start to bleed into decisions that teams are going to make.

Gallo has really worked on his game over the years so good for him considering his injury woes, but he's a middle tier type player and guys like that are going to get squeezed with the new normal for the NBA economy

The next issue is if guys are going to get cut rate deals, many will just go ring chase. At that point, why not. If you have a third of the league with Washington General type rosters, the future of any TV deal the NBA gets takes a massive hit. NBA general attendance at games might never recover. You factor in price plus amenities plus risk and people will stay home.

I definitely think you're underselling him calling him middle tier. I agree that a lot of these guys will get squeezed, but Gallinari has been arguably a top 30 or so player in terms of overall impact in the last 2 seasons. Add the fact that he does most of his damage from 3pt range or getting to the free throw line, and he has become an advanced stats darling you can say.

Knixkik wrote:

TripleThreat wrote:

Knixkik wrote:oung core of Barrett, Robinson and our lottery pick to maximize their potential, and Gallinari can help do that over the next 4 years. I'm thinking he probably gets 4/80 mil which puts him thru his age 35 season.

Depending on what happens to the cap, he might end up with a one year deal.

The Knicks are a cash rich team so they can weather COVID19 financially. Other teams are not in the same position.

Something looming is the ability to deal with insurance in the league might take some dramatic shifts. This will start to bleed into decisions that teams are going to make.

Gallo has really worked on his game over the years so good for him considering his injury woes, but he's a middle tier type player and guys like that are going to get squeezed with the new normal for the NBA economy

The next issue is if guys are going to get cut rate deals, many will just go ring chase. At that point, why not. If you have a third of the league with Washington General type rosters, the future of any TV deal the NBA gets takes a massive hit. NBA general attendance at games might never recover. You factor in price plus amenities plus risk and people will stay home.

I definitely think you're underselling him calling him middle tier. I agree that a lot of these guys will get squeezed, but Gallinari has been arguably a top 30 or so player in terms of overall impact in the last 2 seasons. Add the fact that he does most of his damage from 3pt range or getting to the free throw line, and he has become an advanced stats darling you can say.

From hoopshype

NOTES

He's making 4.76 percent more than in 2018/19.
He's the 49th best-paid NBA player this year.
He's the 22nd best-paid forward this year.
He's the 3rd best-paid player of the Oklahoma City Thunder this year.
His agent is Michael Tellem of Creative Artists Agency.

Knixkik wrote:

TripleThreat wrote:

Knixkik wrote:oung core of Barrett, Robinson and our lottery pick to maximize their potential, and Gallinari can help do that over the next 4 years. I'm thinking he probably gets 4/80 mil which puts him thru his age 35 season.

Depending on what happens to the cap, he might end up with a one year deal.

The Knicks are a cash rich team so they can weather COVID19 financially. Other teams are not in the same position.

Something looming is the ability to deal with insurance in the league might take some dramatic shifts. This will start to bleed into decisions that teams are going to make.

Gallo has really worked on his game over the years so good for him considering his injury woes, but he's a middle tier type player and guys like that are going to get squeezed with the new normal for the NBA economy

The next issue is if guys are going to get cut rate deals, many will just go ring chase. At that point, why not. If you have a third of the league with Washington General type rosters, the future of any TV deal the NBA gets takes a massive hit. NBA general attendance at games might never recover. You factor in price plus amenities plus risk and people will stay home.

I definitely think you're underselling him calling him middle tier. I agree that a lot of these guys will get squeezed, but Gallinari has been arguably a top 30 or so player in terms of overall impact in the last 2 seasons. Add the fact that he does most of his damage from 3pt range or getting to the free throw line, and he has become an advanced stats darling you can say.

The problem the Knicks have is if they only offer something about in line with what a better positioned team can give ( a team who can contend and/or make a deep playoff run), Gallo will choose the non Knicks team.

The only way the Knicks can compete is more years/higher AAV.

To his credit, he's done everything he can as a player to reach his best ceiling. He's not a plus defender but he plays to his strengths. He can create his own shot though not consistently. His shooting is a plus and it's consistent and established. He makes good decisions on the court.

Someone I know told me I should give a TV show called The Orville a try. So I watch it, it's sort of funny, and then Charlize Theron pops up. And she just looks old. Don't get me wrong, she still more beautiful than 99 percent of humans on the planet. But even with movie makeup and editing and angles and magic, she just looks old and a bit lumpy.

Gallo today helps. Gallo in a few years? Age and those injuries, he's going to lose a step and it's not like he was super athletic to start. How much time before he gets "lumpy"?

2 year deal? Depends on the amount but that's something to consider. But if it's only a 2 year deal at a moderate amount, given the COVID19 new normal, he's going to another team

4 year deal? I just don't see how that ends up very well

Why sign a 32 year old PF? We are at best going to fighting for eighth seed next year and with the upcoming stacked draft, we would be better off tanking for one more season. I would be perfectly fine with the Knicks making one or two minors changes and bringing back the same core group. Just from individual improvement with Mitch, Knox, and Barrett, the team should perform better. I don’t approve of a move like signing Gallo. I think it would be a mistake that takes minutes from Knox and Iggy.

Remember the Heat offered him a 2yr deal with the first being worth $24mil when they tried trading for him- the deal fell through because gallo wanted a bigger contract (probably more years), so that gives you an idea about the kind of money he wants

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/danil...

The world changed since he wanted those monies.
32 years old, "work with the young guys?" is Every vet a good role model?
Knicks get better but what about Knox?
Not every CAA guy will play here.
We really want Gallo and not talk about Melo? Relax Jrod........
We blaming Randle for too much.

A few thoughts:
* I think Randle can be a starting PF on a winning team. Perhaps a like Lamar Odom in LA where he was more like a 3rd option, or #1 option vs the 2nd unit. Of course the Knicks would probably be damn good if they had 2 player better than Randle. He does a lot of things well on paper, and being the optimist, I think Fizdale pushed him to work on his game beyond his comfort zone by developing him as a point forward. Perhaps some good will come out of it in subsequent seasons.
* Gallo can help the team win. Think of it this way - he's like Marcus Morris on offense, except he's better in pretty much every possible aspect, quicker decision maker, better playmaker (tho far from a point forward!), and better shooter.
* Gallo's downside is his age (~32) and injury history. Over his career, he's missed what, about 30-40% of his possible games? In 12 seasons, he's broken the 70 game mark only twice!
* He's a relatively steady player, not JR Smith sort of streaky.

Like a lot of players, he could be a good fit for the right price, but you need to know what you're getting.
Maybe 60 games/yr. Figure 40 solid games, 10 great games, 10 invisible duds. In all the games, he'll open the floor because of his shooting threat.

knicks1248 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Gallinaris knee would pop on this team in two weeks

Dude had a hard time staying healthy

Gallo was hurt before he was even drafted. Id worry about a repeat of what happened to Camby. Left NY, eventually got healthy, played lights out, came back to NY, didnt last a season. Camby was closer to retirement, still would be concerned.

If it wasnt a killer contract, or a short term deal, that might work. Wouldnt make a big investment.

GustavBahler wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Gallinaris knee would pop on this team in two weeks

Dude had a hard time staying healthy

Gallo was hurt before he was even drafted. Id worry about a repeat of what happened to Camby. Left NY, eventually got healthy, played lights out, came back to NY, didnt last a season. Camby was closer to retirement, still would be concerned.

If it wasnt a killer contract, or a short term deal, that might work. Wouldnt make a big investment.

Yeah, like most players, it really just comes down to the contract. It will be really interesting to see the the impact the pandemic has on any player who is not a max level player. Besides Anthony Davis and maybe 1 or 2 other free agents, the rest of the league is really up in the air in terms of future value in free agency.

Knixkik wrote:
He's the ideal fit ...

The other issue is the role would change.

He would be, by default, the Knicks primary offensive option.

He can create his own shot. Can he do it consistently night after night with teams bracketing him on defense. His defense is interesting in that he's actually not a bad defender. But it's a series of compromises and tradeoffs because he's not an elite athlete ( relative to the NBA). He plays smart for sure. But if you make him the primary offensive option, how will that shade his defense?

Every player has value in context. If Noah was a Knick back in the day on a 2 year / 6 million dollar contract, that's not so bad. But for the years and money he got, he was an anchor around this teams neck. Was I ever a fan of Trey Burke? No, but at least he came cheap and with little commitment.

The Knicks can only really see value if they only sign him with the intent to soft loophole the cap. But they aren't the ideal team to do this or want to do this.

Here is where things get interesting because the current CBA is not designed for a COVID19 "new normal" type marketplace environment.

You sign a guy to a heavy one year deal. You do a buyout where you still deal with cap hit implied, but the cash hit variable changes. Since the heavy one year deal is one that no team will want to claim on waivers, a guy like Gallo goes free and becomes a ring chaser. A contender can't pay Gallo even close to market rate money ( the nature of a contender is usually a roster that is cap locked or in the luxury zone) Gallo makes more money than he would by outright signing with a projected contender but still gets to pick his team AFTER some of the season shakes out and he can see a clearer view of the field/options. The team who signs him would do this to get to the salary floor on paper, but actual cash moving can be far far less. Also Gallo is useful player so that gives you a little burn early in the season to help next years season ticket sales.

The Knicks are a cash rich team, so doing something like this does not help them

But the Atlanta Hawks? They have really poor attendance even before COVID19. They are not anywhere near the Knicks in terms of generating revenue. Hitting the cap floor but with cash savings as a way to stall until COVID19 settles out some isn't such a horrible look in some circumstances.

"Renting" your open cap space in trades for draft picks is the normal strategy, but how many teams are going to want to trade their picks in this environment? Teams are going to want to shed salary, not add it LONG TERM, so those rookie contracts take a different cost control spin.

The more teams are incentivized to do this, the value of veteran players, who are not the elite top 15 type of guys, begins to diminish. It can become a cycle that compounds upon itself.