BRIGGS wrote:martin wrote:martin wrote:BRIGGS wrote:martin wrote:BRIGGS wrote:martin wrote:BRIGGS wrote:I think the bottom line is that I personally feel Wiseman will be an nba franchise player. You win in the nba w franchise players. Just because we have Robinson won’t change my thinking. I always think what will win big. A franchise big player sets the foundation for 10-13 years. He’s got every physical measurable. He’s a hard worker. He’s a smart kid. Every team needs 2-3 big players surrounded by perimeter players. But the big thing for me is Wiseman is a franchise type player and the other guys are very good to good nba players.
I think those are his biggest question marks.
I think I read he was a top student in his class abd speaks fluent Mandarin Chinese. I would call that pretty smart.
Also I’ve followed him— he’s worked almost every day training for the nba since removal from Memphis— going from 235-254Pd
How does that have anything to do with BBIQ?
Well usually someone says smart it’s about their individual intelligence? But basketball iq? Where is one sign that it’s poor?
IDK BRIGGS, what do you see?
I see a guy who could have taken 1 dribble and had pretty much an open pathway to dunk. OR he could have just taken the open 8-10 foot jumpshot over the 6'5" dude that's barely in front of him.
Or he could have done the fadeaway turnaround jumpshot for no apparent reason.
BBIQ.
Or we can ogle some high school scouting vids
Why focused on 1 t around j? I actually like that he took it— and I like that he can go in and out. Big big problem with Robinson so far is limitation. I don’t see limitation with Wiseman.
BRIGGS: He's a smart kid.
martin: I don't think we know about his BBIQ
BRIGGS: he speaks fluent Mandarin
martin: What's that got to do with anything? This is basketball, so BBIQ is important
BRIGGS: He's smart. But basketball iq? Where is one sign that it’s poor?
martin: Here's Wiseman making a really bad decision, ie BBIQ
BRIGGS: I like that he makes poor decisions
martin: ...........
BRIGGS man, your scouting here pretty much consists of having a man-crush on the dudes physique and then a "lalalalalalalala I don't see anything else" mentality
It's why Hassan Whiteside was given up by Miami and is bench riding now that Nurkic is healthy. Same reason Woods won't be as good as you think.
BBIQ
martin wrote:BRIGGS wrote:martin wrote:martin wrote:BRIGGS wrote:martin wrote:BRIGGS wrote:martin wrote:BRIGGS wrote:I think the bottom line is that I personally feel Wiseman will be an nba franchise player. You win in the nba w franchise players. Just because we have Robinson won’t change my thinking. I always think what will win big. A franchise big player sets the foundation for 10-13 years. He’s got every physical measurable. He’s a hard worker. He’s a smart kid. Every team needs 2-3 big players surrounded by perimeter players. But the big thing for me is Wiseman is a franchise type player and the other guys are very good to good nba players.
I think those are his biggest question marks.
I think I read he was a top student in his class abd speaks fluent Mandarin Chinese. I would call that pretty smart.
Also I’ve followed him— he’s worked almost every day training for the nba since removal from Memphis— going from 235-254Pd
How does that have anything to do with BBIQ?
Well usually someone says smart it’s about their individual intelligence? But basketball iq? Where is one sign that it’s poor?
IDK BRIGGS, what do you see?
I see a guy who could have taken 1 dribble and had pretty much an open pathway to dunk. OR he could have just taken the open 8-10 foot jumpshot over the 6'5" dude that's barely in front of him.
Or he could have done the fadeaway turnaround jumpshot for no apparent reason.
BBIQ.
Or we can ogle some high school scouting vids
Why focused on 1 t around j? I actually like that he took it— and I like that he can go in and out. Big big problem with Robinson so far is limitation. I don’t see limitation with Wiseman.
BRIGGS: He's a smart kid.
martin: I don't think we know about his BBIQ
BRIGGS: he speaks fluent Mandarin
martin: What's that got to do with anything? This is basketball, so BBIQ is important
BRIGGS: He's smart. But basketball iq? Where is one sign that it’s poor?
martin: Here's Wiseman making a really bad decision, ie BBIQ
BRIGGS: I like that he makes poor decisions
martin: ...........
BRIGGS man, your scouting here pretty much consists of having a man-crush on the dudes physique and then a "lalalalalalalala I don't see anything else" mentality
It's why Hassan Whiteside was given up by Miami and is bench riding now that Nurkic is healthy. Same reason Woods won't be as good as you think.
BBIQ
Don’t bet against this one martin/- he’s gonna be great.
BRIGGS wrote:knicks1248 wrote:with more than half the league playing small ball and switching on defense, it would be so easy to get a mismatch.What sense would it make to have two canters that can't shoot perimeter shots unless the plan on trading mitch, i see no difference in their style of play.
I haven’t seen where M Robinson has shown he’s a center piece player. If we don’t get Wiseman I’d go after Christian Woods. If we get Wiseman I’m gonna sift my spending assets to shooters. The reason why I made this thread is I think Wiseman is a franchise type player. You win w franchise players. Good players are nice to surround them with
Bad fit for this roster as a 4. You want to play him at center ok better fit with Randle than Mitch. He wont make u better though
The more I see of Devin Vassel, the more I think the Knicks should maneuver to get him -- whether by trading down or just taking him early. I like him a bit more than Nesmith. If Hallburton is off the board at 7, I am probably looking for Vassel.
EwingsGlass wrote:The more I see of Devin Vassel, the more I think the Knicks should maneuver to get him -- whether by trading down or just taking him early. I like him a bit more than Nesmith. If Hallburton is off the board at 7, I am probably looking for Vassel.
I'm starting to feel the same about Okoro. I have him and Cassel ahead of Nesmith.
EwingsGlass wrote:The more I see of Devin Vassel, the more I think the Knicks should maneuver to get him -- whether by trading down or just taking him early. I like him a bit more than Nesmith. If Hallburton is off the board at 7, I am probably looking for Vassel.
I’m still keeping my eye on Cole Anthony. He was in a bad situation but has big potential and can really shoot it. High risk/reward pick.
Knixkik wrote:EwingsGlass wrote:The more I see of Devin Vassel, the more I think the Knicks should maneuver to get him -- whether by trading down or just taking him early. I like him a bit more than Nesmith. If Hallburton is off the board at 7, I am probably looking for Vassel.
I’m still keeping my eye on Cole Anthony. He was in a bad situation but has big potential and can really shoot it. High risk/reward pick.
We have two smallish guards in Harper and DSJ. There's a 3rd small guard in the G League. Cole has low shooting numbers and doesn't fill the bill at PG. With a glut at that position,(Frank, Payton) maybe we should address that first.
BigDaddyG wrote:EwingsGlass wrote:The more I see of Devin Vassel, the more I think the Knicks should maneuver to get him -- whether by trading down or just taking him early. I like him a bit more than Nesmith. If Hallburton is off the board at 7, I am probably looking for Vassel.
I'm starting to feel the same about Okoro. I have him and Cassel ahead of Nesmith.
I switched from Okoro to Vassell based solely on shooting. Knicks really need a 3/D. Spread the floor. Okoro will likely be the better defender over time, but I wonder what happens to Vassell when he gets his man body.
Knixkik wrote:EwingsGlass wrote:The more I see of Devin Vassel, the more I think the Knicks should maneuver to get him -- whether by trading down or just taking him early. I like him a bit more than Nesmith. If Hallburton is off the board at 7, I am probably looking for Vassel.
I’m still keeping my eye on Cole Anthony. He was in a bad situation but has big potential and can really shoot it. High risk/reward pick.
I'm starting to prefer Tyrese Maxey over Cole, but I'm put off both due to the presence of RJ
smackeddog wrote:Knixkik wrote:EwingsGlass wrote:The more I see of Devin Vassel, the more I think the Knicks should maneuver to get him -- whether by trading down or just taking him early. I like him a bit more than Nesmith. If Hallburton is off the board at 7, I am probably looking for Vassel.
I’m still keeping my eye on Cole Anthony. He was in a bad situation but has big potential and can really shoot it. High risk/reward pick.
I'm starting to prefer Tyrese Maxey over Cole, but I'm put off both due to the presence of RJ
Cole is a good enough shooter to be a fit with RJ.
Knixkik wrote:
Cole is a good enough shooter to be a fit with RJ.
Not terribly excited about Cole Anthony. An SG in PG's body, don't work for me. If he were either 6'5", or a better passer, or slipped all the way to our Clippers pick, that'd be a different story.
Devon Vassel.. we have not had a legit true small forward since Bernard King.
TLover wrote:Devon Vassel.. we have not had a legit true small forward since Bernard King.
I think most people figure RJ is really a SF.
ESOMKnicks wrote:Knixkik wrote:
Cole is a good enough shooter to be a fit with RJ.
Not terribly excited about Cole Anthony. An SG in PG's body, don't work for me. If he were either 6'5", or a better passer, or slipped all the way to our Clippers pick, that'd be a different story.
Most modern day PG's are shooting guards in pg's body. From Kyrie to Lillard. It's the way the game is played now. Your pg or lead guard has to be able to create offense for himself and it's bonus if he can play off the ball some, as well. Cole Anthony is pretty good at coming off screens, catching and shooting.
Knixkik wrote:TLover wrote:Devon Vassel.. we have not had a legit true small forward since Bernard King.
I think most people figure RJ is really a SF.
no way. He's a SG and thats where his best value will be
fishmike wrote:Knixkik wrote:TLover wrote:Devon Vassel.. we have not had a legit true small forward since Bernard King.
I think most people figure RJ is really a SF.
no way. He's a SG and thats where his best value will be
Is there really a difference? Wings are really interchangeable these days. RJ should play wherever he has the match up advantage on a given night.
BigDaddyG wrote:fishmike wrote:Knixkik wrote:TLover wrote:Devon Vassel.. we have not had a legit true small forward since Bernard King.
I think most people figure RJ is really a SF.
no way. He's a SG and thats where his best value will be
Is there really a difference? Wings are really interchangeable these days. RJ should play wherever he has the match up advantage on a given night.
Yeah it's more about matchup. I think it doesn't matter either, but for some reason the majority of posters and writers believe his future is SF or smallball 4 at times. But he's definitely a wing to me. Jimmy Butler is a wing, neither a SG or SF either. As far as guys he can pair with, Joe Harris is a wing, and Nesmith and Vassell are both wings. They are all interchangeable.
Knixkik wrote:smackeddog wrote:Knixkik wrote:EwingsGlass wrote:The more I see of Devin Vassel, the more I think the Knicks should maneuver to get him -- whether by trading down or just taking him early. I like him a bit more than Nesmith. If Hallburton is off the board at 7, I am probably looking for Vassel.
I’m still keeping my eye on Cole Anthony. He was in a bad situation but has big potential and can really shoot it. High risk/reward pick.
I'm starting to prefer Tyrese Maxey over Cole, but I'm put off both due to the presence of RJ
Cole is a good enough shooter to be a fit with RJ.
That's a head scratcher. In his one year at the collegiate level, he was a below average shooter.
martin wrote:Knixkik wrote:smackeddog wrote:Knixkik wrote:EwingsGlass wrote:The more I see of Devin Vassel, the more I think the Knicks should maneuver to get him -- whether by trading down or just taking him early. I like him a bit more than Nesmith. If Hallburton is off the board at 7, I am probably looking for Vassel.
I’m still keeping my eye on Cole Anthony. He was in a bad situation but has big potential and can really shoot it. High risk/reward pick.
I'm starting to prefer Tyrese Maxey over Cole, but I'm put off both due to the presence of RJ
Cole is a good enough shooter to be a fit with RJ.
That's a head scratcher. In his one year at the collegiate level, he was a below average shooter.
Small sample size, especially since he was injured. He was taking a lot of contested shots with zero spacing. He came into college with a rep as a good 3pt shooter. If you're judging him on his 20 games (many of which he was playing injured) than you will very much underrate him.
martin wrote:Knixkik wrote:smackeddog wrote:Knixkik wrote:EwingsGlass wrote:The more I see of Devin Vassel, the more I think the Knicks should maneuver to get him -- whether by trading down or just taking him early. I like him a bit more than Nesmith. If Hallburton is off the board at 7, I am probably looking for Vassel.
I’m still keeping my eye on Cole Anthony. He was in a bad situation but has big potential and can really shoot it. High risk/reward pick.
I'm starting to prefer Tyrese Maxey over Cole, but I'm put off both due to the presence of RJ
Cole is a good enough shooter to be a fit with RJ.
That's a head scratcher. In his one year at the collegiate level, he was a below average shooter.
Maxey's 3pt shooting was worse, but his FT shooting was better (85%), so maybe there's promise he can fix that. KP will have the inside scoop.
Knixkik wrote:martin wrote:Knixkik wrote:smackeddog wrote:Knixkik wrote:EwingsGlass wrote:The more I see of Devin Vassel, the more I think the Knicks should maneuver to get him -- whether by trading down or just taking him early. I like him a bit more than Nesmith. If Hallburton is off the board at 7, I am probably looking for Vassel.
I’m still keeping my eye on Cole Anthony. He was in a bad situation but has big potential and can really shoot it. High risk/reward pick.
I'm starting to prefer Tyrese Maxey over Cole, but I'm put off both due to the presence of RJ
Cole is a good enough shooter to be a fit with RJ.
That's a head scratcher. In his one year at the collegiate level, he was a below average shooter.
Small sample size, especially since he was injured. He was taking a lot of contested shots with zero spacing. He came into college with a rep as a good 3pt shooter. If you're judging him on his 20 games (many of which he was playing injured) than you will very much underrate him.
So I'm not judging him at all, I think you are by declaring he is good enough when we really don't know at all.
What if his shooting stats just continue to be poor? I get that his team sucked and there was no spacing but he also didn't elevate them, if it was at all possible.
