Knicks · Michael Porter looks like a beast! (page 1)
Which reminds me, back in the day, that Jerrod Mustaf put out a fucking hit on his baby momma. Holy shit would that rip the Knicks apart if it happened in todays time. Brie Larson would run onto the court and stab the dude in the face with a machete. Maybe this team is cursed. Then again, the situation did turn into X-man, so there's that.
TheGame wrote:This dude had two 30 point games in a row and is making it look easy. Hopefully, he stays healthy. I am happy for the kid. I won’t turn this into a Knicks diss because there were serious questions about this kid’s back and it’s longterm health. I understand why the Knicks did not take him but I will say that trading back is not a bad thing and the team probably should have done it in that draft. A lesson learned for the future. If we drop to 7 or 8 in this draft, we might want to look into trading back. There is a lot of talent in the 9-17 range that might be just as good as the players picked in the 4-8 range.
He’s a physical skilled beast. Big strong athletic. Good shooter
Denver put itself in this position by hitting on draft picks.
newyorknewyork wrote:He landed in the perfect situation with a team that was in position to take advantage of a good calculated risk. With almost no pressure and ample amount of time to attempt to recover. Knicks take him with the selection we had. The situation and pressure would be multiplied by 100.Denver put itself in this position by hitting on draft picks.
Always liked MPJ. I remember all the Durrant comparisons prior to that draft. Having said that I felt it was for the best not to draft him given that injury history. If the Knicks got him media would have abused the situation for sure.
newyorknewyork wrote:He landed in the perfect situation with a team that was in position to take advantage of a good calculated risk. With almost no pressure and ample amount of time to attempt to recover. Knicks take him with the selection we had. The situation and pressure would be multiplied by 100.Denver put itself in this position by hitting on draft picks.
I'm not sure of that considering Mills and perry had no pressure to win. They picked Knox because of that idiot Fizdale
KnickDanger wrote:Think of all the cursing and clowning the Knicks would have taken for picking him while he wasn't playing. Media here are snakes, many fans are overmedicated or not taking theirs. Anyway good for him and I hope he stays healthy.
Yep, it was a gamble and I understand why the Knicks, along with a number of other teams, didn't want to make it. That said, I wish we were in the position to take a flyer on MPJ. On a different note, I think we should of signed his brother and stashed him on a two-way.
Denver is in that zone where its building talent with none lottery picks much like SAS did. The core and culture is there. Some will flurish and most flounder.
KnickDanger wrote:Think of all the cursing and clowning the Knicks would have taken for picking him while he wasn't playing. Media here are snakes, many fans are overmedicated or not taking theirs. Anyway good for him and I hope he stays healthy.
That was still happening without us picking him.
knicks1248 wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:He landed in the perfect situation with a team that was in position to take advantage of a good calculated risk. With almost no pressure and ample amount of time to attempt to recover. Knicks take him with the selection we had. The situation and pressure would be multiplied by 100.Denver put itself in this position by hitting on draft picks.
I'm not sure of that considering Mills and perry had no pressure to win. They picked Knox because of that idiot Fizdale
There would be crazy pressure from fans and media for him to get on the court. Especially after KP went down with injury. Followed by pressure to save the Knicks given his lotto status. With KP and MPJ both down with major injuries. I can imagine now the threads you personally would be creating.
With all that I have always felt passing up on SGA was the bigger blunder. Dude can handle, shoot, create for others with the size to slide through 3 positions.
newyorknewyork wrote:knicks1248 wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:He landed in the perfect situation with a team that was in position to take advantage of a good calculated risk. With almost no pressure and ample amount of time to attempt to recover. Knicks take him with the selection we had. The situation and pressure would be multiplied by 100.Denver put itself in this position by hitting on draft picks.
I'm not sure of that considering Mills and perry had no pressure to win. They picked Knox because of that idiot Fizdale
There would be crazy pressure from fans and media for him to get on the court. Especially after KP went down with injury. Followed by pressure to save the Knicks given his lotto status. With KP and MPJ both down with major injuries. I can imagine now the threads you personally would be creating.
With all that I have always felt passing up on SGA was the bigger blunder. Dude can handle, shoot, create for others with the size to slide through 3 positions.
So at this point Knox is a major disappointment, because he has had just as much of an impact as MPJ who wasn't even playing.
The fact that Perry refuse to send these guys to the G league is a telling fact of why Knox is still playing like a rookie.
From my understanding this draft is also going to be lead by Perry, so I fully expect him to pick the wrong guy, especially since the college season was cut short, this is really going to be a crap shoot.
SGA can't stop saying enough about how CP3 has been so valuable to his development
knicks1248 wrote:
From my understanding this draft is also going to be lead by Perry, so I fully expect him to pick the wrong guy, especially since the college season was cut short, this is really going to be a crap shoot.
Nah, I think it is going to be a collective decision by the new leadership. They know that in the dire situation that we are the stakes are too high to let Perry make such a major decision on his own, they cannot afford to miss in this draft and must really hit the ball out of the park.
I just hope this does not mean that they go all-out for Ball.
knicks1248 wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:knicks1248 wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:He landed in the perfect situation with a team that was in position to take advantage of a good calculated risk. With almost no pressure and ample amount of time to attempt to recover. Knicks take him with the selection we had. The situation and pressure would be multiplied by 100.Denver put itself in this position by hitting on draft picks.
I'm not sure of that considering Mills and perry had no pressure to win. They picked Knox because of that idiot Fizdale
There would be crazy pressure from fans and media for him to get on the court. Especially after KP went down with injury. Followed by pressure to save the Knicks given his lotto status. With KP and MPJ both down with major injuries. I can imagine now the threads you personally would be creating.
With all that I have always felt passing up on SGA was the bigger blunder. Dude can handle, shoot, create for others with the size to slide through 3 positions.
So at this point Knox is a major disappointment, because he has had just as much of an impact as MPJ who wasn't even playing.
The fact that Perry refuse to send these guys to the G league is a telling fact of why Knox is still playing like a rookie.
From my understanding this draft is also going to be lead by Perry, so I fully expect him to pick the wrong guy, especially since the college season was cut short, this is really going to be a crap shoot.
SGA can't stop saying enough about how CP3 has been so valuable to his development
Looks like you found your new target to funnel all blame to. Perry has been involved in 2 drafts which he has drafted Knox, Mitch, RJ & Ignas. Thibs and Rose most likely both hold more power in decision making over Perry at this point. Perry will probably do their ground work while they make with the final decisions.
I’m sure CP3 has had great influence on SGA. But even so he was a more NBA ready prospect then Knox was.
newyorknewyork wrote:knicks1248 wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:knicks1248 wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:He landed in the perfect situation with a team that was in position to take advantage of a good calculated risk. With almost no pressure and ample amount of time to attempt to recover. Knicks take him with the selection we had. The situation and pressure would be multiplied by 100.Denver put itself in this position by hitting on draft picks.
I'm not sure of that considering Mills and perry had no pressure to win. They picked Knox because of that idiot Fizdale
There would be crazy pressure from fans and media for him to get on the court. Especially after KP went down with injury. Followed by pressure to save the Knicks given his lotto status. With KP and MPJ both down with major injuries. I can imagine now the threads you personally would be creating.
With all that I have always felt passing up on SGA was the bigger blunder. Dude can handle, shoot, create for others with the size to slide through 3 positions.
So at this point Knox is a major disappointment, because he has had just as much of an impact as MPJ who wasn't even playing.
The fact that Perry refuse to send these guys to the G league is a telling fact of why Knox is still playing like a rookie.
From my understanding this draft is also going to be lead by Perry, so I fully expect him to pick the wrong guy, especially since the college season was cut short, this is really going to be a crap shoot.
SGA can't stop saying enough about how CP3 has been so valuable to his development
Looks like you found your new target to funnel all blame to. Perry has been involved in 2 drafts which he has drafted Knox, Mitch, RJ & Ignas. Thibs and Rose most likely both hold more power in decision making over Perry at this point. Perry will probably do their ground work while they make with the final decisions.
I’m sure CP3 has had great influence on SGA. But even so he was a more NBA ready prospect then Knox was.
Within the New York Knicks, there was internal support in the front office to pass on RJ Barrett and trade back for Darius Garland to pick up an extra draft pick.Marc Berman gives Perry credit for selecting Barrett and No. 3 in 2019 and for selecting Mitchell Robinson at No. 36 in 2018.Perry was retained by the Knicks following the dismissal of Steve Mills and the hiring of Leon Rose.
I never separated perry from Mills, they were all one IMO, but it wasn't hard to tell they weren't on the same page.
I would have move heaven and earth to trade up either Trae Young or ja..I would have given Memphis what ever they wanted, they had the assets to move up.
Maybe they think frank will be as good as those guys one day..idk
knicks1248 wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:knicks1248 wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:knicks1248 wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:He landed in the perfect situation with a team that was in position to take advantage of a good calculated risk. With almost no pressure and ample amount of time to attempt to recover. Knicks take him with the selection we had. The situation and pressure would be multiplied by 100.Denver put itself in this position by hitting on draft picks.
I'm not sure of that considering Mills and perry had no pressure to win. They picked Knox because of that idiot Fizdale
There would be crazy pressure from fans and media for him to get on the court. Especially after KP went down with injury. Followed by pressure to save the Knicks given his lotto status. With KP and MPJ both down with major injuries. I can imagine now the threads you personally would be creating.
With all that I have always felt passing up on SGA was the bigger blunder. Dude can handle, shoot, create for others with the size to slide through 3 positions.
So at this point Knox is a major disappointment, because he has had just as much of an impact as MPJ who wasn't even playing.
The fact that Perry refuse to send these guys to the G league is a telling fact of why Knox is still playing like a rookie.
From my understanding this draft is also going to be lead by Perry, so I fully expect him to pick the wrong guy, especially since the college season was cut short, this is really going to be a crap shoot.
SGA can't stop saying enough about how CP3 has been so valuable to his development
Looks like you found your new target to funnel all blame to. Perry has been involved in 2 drafts which he has drafted Knox, Mitch, RJ & Ignas. Thibs and Rose most likely both hold more power in decision making over Perry at this point. Perry will probably do their ground work while they make with the final decisions.
I’m sure CP3 has had great influence on SGA. But even so he was a more NBA ready prospect then Knox was.
Within the New York Knicks, there was internal support in the front office to pass on RJ Barrett and trade back for Darius Garland to pick up an extra draft pick.Marc Berman gives Perry credit for selecting Barrett and No. 3 in 2019 and for selecting Mitchell Robinson at No. 36 in 2018.Perry was retained by the Knicks following the dismissal of Steve Mills and the hiring of Leon Rose.
I never separated perry from Mills, they were all one IMO, but it wasn't hard to tell they weren't on the same page.
I would have move heaven and earth to trade up either Trae Young or ja..I would have given Memphis what ever they wanted, they had the assets to move up.
Maybe they think frank will be as good as those guys one day..idk
you just assume all picks are available if you give them enough? What is too much? How many contracts or picks can another team absorb? Or does thinking it thru not in the hindsight thing? Dallas had the 4th pick, not ATL, Dallas trade up to get Luca. ATL was sitting pretty. What pray-tell did ATL that would have incentivized them to trade to us?
Perry, Knox played a lot NBA minutes. So don’t even think that is what held him back. Fiz held him more accountable year two and the kid was thinking more about Defense, His moves to the rim, and shot selection. All things could have been done either way.
As for frank, Perhaps some time letting loose in the Gleague could have worked. Seems injury and coaching changes were also an issue with Frank.
Think Perry is capable of rethinking his GLeague stance if Thibs and Leon suggest they take a different approach? If not, they’d fire him. Perry is on a one year deal. Relax, you might get your wish of some really cool young SAS dude you never heard of gets the call! Maybe its Brock Aller who gets the nod!
knicks1248 wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:knicks1248 wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:knicks1248 wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:He landed in the perfect situation with a team that was in position to take advantage of a good calculated risk. With almost no pressure and ample amount of time to attempt to recover. Knicks take him with the selection we had. The situation and pressure would be multiplied by 100.Denver put itself in this position by hitting on draft picks.
I'm not sure of that considering Mills and perry had no pressure to win. They picked Knox because of that idiot Fizdale
There would be crazy pressure from fans and media for him to get on the court. Especially after KP went down with injury. Followed by pressure to save the Knicks given his lotto status. With KP and MPJ both down with major injuries. I can imagine now the threads you personally would be creating.
With all that I have always felt passing up on SGA was the bigger blunder. Dude can handle, shoot, create for others with the size to slide through 3 positions.
So at this point Knox is a major disappointment, because he has had just as much of an impact as MPJ who wasn't even playing.
The fact that Perry refuse to send these guys to the G league is a telling fact of why Knox is still playing like a rookie.
From my understanding this draft is also going to be lead by Perry, so I fully expect him to pick the wrong guy, especially since the college season was cut short, this is really going to be a crap shoot.
SGA can't stop saying enough about how CP3 has been so valuable to his development
Looks like you found your new target to funnel all blame to. Perry has been involved in 2 drafts which he has drafted Knox, Mitch, RJ & Ignas. Thibs and Rose most likely both hold more power in decision making over Perry at this point. Perry will probably do their ground work while they make with the final decisions.
I’m sure CP3 has had great influence on SGA. But even so he was a more NBA ready prospect then Knox was.
Within the New York Knicks, there was internal support in the front office to pass on RJ Barrett and trade back for Darius Garland to pick up an extra draft pick.Marc Berman gives Perry credit for selecting Barrett and No. 3 in 2019 and for selecting Mitchell Robinson at No. 36 in 2018.Perry was retained by the Knicks following the dismissal of Steve Mills and the hiring of Leon Rose.
I never separated perry from Mills, they were all one IMO, but it wasn't hard to tell they weren't on the same page.
I would have move heaven and earth to trade up either Trae Young or ja..I would have given Memphis what ever they wanted, they had the assets to move up.
Maybe they think frank will be as good as those guys one day..idk
Both Mudiay and then DSjr were ahead of Frank on the depth chart at the time of each draft. Odds are higher they attempted to put faith in those former lotto picks while filling other positions with talent. If Dsjr, Knox & Barrett all hit then we aren’t having this convo right now. We would be talking competing for the ECC while having massive cap space and draft picks to add additional major talent. Those are all the calculated risk each move holds.
newyorknewyork wrote:knicks1248 wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:knicks1248 wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:knicks1248 wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:He landed in the perfect situation with a team that was in position to take advantage of a good calculated risk. With almost no pressure and ample amount of time to attempt to recover. Knicks take him with the selection we had. The situation and pressure would be multiplied by 100.Denver put itself in this position by hitting on draft picks.
I'm not sure of that considering Mills and perry had no pressure to win. They picked Knox because of that idiot Fizdale
There would be crazy pressure from fans and media for him to get on the court. Especially after KP went down with injury. Followed by pressure to save the Knicks given his lotto status. With KP and MPJ both down with major injuries. I can imagine now the threads you personally would be creating.
With all that I have always felt passing up on SGA was the bigger blunder. Dude can handle, shoot, create for others with the size to slide through 3 positions.
So at this point Knox is a major disappointment, because he has had just as much of an impact as MPJ who wasn't even playing.
The fact that Perry refuse to send these guys to the G league is a telling fact of why Knox is still playing like a rookie.
From my understanding this draft is also going to be lead by Perry, so I fully expect him to pick the wrong guy, especially since the college season was cut short, this is really going to be a crap shoot.
SGA can't stop saying enough about how CP3 has been so valuable to his development
Looks like you found your new target to funnel all blame to. Perry has been involved in 2 drafts which he has drafted Knox, Mitch, RJ & Ignas. Thibs and Rose most likely both hold more power in decision making over Perry at this point. Perry will probably do their ground work while they make with the final decisions.
I’m sure CP3 has had great influence on SGA. But even so he was a more NBA ready prospect then Knox was.
Within the New York Knicks, there was internal support in the front office to pass on RJ Barrett and trade back for Darius Garland to pick up an extra draft pick.Marc Berman gives Perry credit for selecting Barrett and No. 3 in 2019 and for selecting Mitchell Robinson at No. 36 in 2018.Perry was retained by the Knicks following the dismissal of Steve Mills and the hiring of Leon Rose.
I never separated perry from Mills, they were all one IMO, but it wasn't hard to tell they weren't on the same page.
I would have move heaven and earth to trade up either Trae Young or ja..I would have given Memphis what ever they wanted, they had the assets to move up.
Maybe they think frank will be as good as those guys one day..idk
Both Mudiay and then DSjr were ahead of Frank on the depth chart at the time of each draft. Odds are higher they attempted to put faith in those former lotto picks while filling other positions with talent. If Dsjr, Knox & Barrett all hit then we aren’t having this convo right now. We would be talking competing for the ECC while having massive cap space and draft picks to add additional major talent. Those are all the calculated risk each move holds.
I also believe that if Randle was on Denver, he would have the potential to do the same thing MPJ is doing base on the talent on that roster, The spacing, shooting, and passing.
The biggest problem the knciks have is the fact that none, and I mean not one single player compliments the other, they just don't fit well together at all. It's like dressing up in nice cloths and none of your colors match
The sooner they can break this roster up the better it will be for everybody's career, from player to front office
SupremeCommander wrote:I sure wish the Knicks had been smart and taken him. If the team had any patience or vision they would have seen a bluechipper waiting for them. nbadraft.net had his player comparison as: Kevin Durant/Joe Johnson. Porter definitely should have been the top pick
Porter's injuries were no small thing, and it took a long time for him to get well. Patience with a project is one thing. Patience with a project with serious health issues is another.
Very curious to see what Knox, Frank, DSJr, have been doing to work on their games during the time off. Wouldnt surprise me if we were to see better production, from some or all of them.
They have the time to reflect on the holes in their respective games. Know that they probably have to hit the ground running to stick with Thibs. Frank might have the edge becuase of his D. But Thibs might want to give DSJr a look, maybe try to give him the same role he gave to Rose in Chicago, albeit smaller. Dont believe DSJr could handle the minutes.