Knicks · Best way to trade away Randle? (page 1)

I like Randle as person, and his work ethic, but he's a bad fit for this team if we're building around RJ and Mitch. Doubt you can get anything of value back, so the options seem to be trade him for expiring deals, or trade him for a 2 year deal that matches his (means you lose out on the non-guaranteed salary cap space you would have got by keeping him, but means you might get a better player back or a player that fits better/frees up the PF spot for a shooter).

Any realistic suggestions?

I really struggle to think of a team that might take him for anything other than a switch of contracts (so if they had a 2 year deal, they might trade if for Randle because only $6mil of his second year is guaranteed. Straight up, here are the options:

Randles deal: $18.9mil 20-21, $19mil 21-22 (only $6mil guaranteed)

Using this:

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/contracts/so...

1 year expirings that match Randle (excluding completely unrealistic ones):

Slim pickings! Cavs aren't an option (Thompson or Drummond if they drafted Wiseman) as they have Love (please don't trade Randle for Love!)

OKC: Steven Adams (expiring $25mil)- I only say this because there was that photo of their boardroom or something where they had Randle name on a whiteboard last season- likely that was related to a CP3 trade. Would save them $6mil and they seem to do these reclamation projects (see Schroeder and CP3)

Hornets: Batum $26mil (PJ Washington makes that very unlikely)

That's it! there are no other options (just look at the list on that site). Hornets have the most contracts to shift, but he doesn't fit there at all.

SO that takes us to the 2 year deals:

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/contracts/so...

Hornets: Rozier deal (saves them money the 2year), but again, see above

And again that's it. (look at the list)

Teams with cap space- I just don't see which would be a good fit for him. Detroit is the one team desperate for anything but they have Griffin and will re-sign Wood.

Ack, who am I kidding- the only way we get rid of Randle is if we trade him for CP3, which is probably our most likely move now we won't land Ball (and likely can't get a PG in free agency). Unless I've missed something?

I would do Randle and filler and cash for Paul. As long as no young talent or draft picks are included I'm good.

joec32033 wrote:I would do Randle and filler and cash for Paul. As long as no young talent or draft picks are included I'm good.

Said this before, Randle, DSJ and LAC pick for Paul.

Gallo will look for 1 last big Contract and I don't think it will be with OKC

OKC losing the rockets without westbrook should start the rebuild of the team, with the warriors back in the fold for the playoffs next year and suns and grizzlies behind, they should start with trading Paul and save money at the same time.

They get a younger PF in Randle and a reclamation point guard in DSJ plus a first round pick this year.

Don't stress it just have Thibs play him off the bench and let his contract expire.

unstopaball12 wrote:

joec32033 wrote:I would do Randle and filler and cash for Paul. As long as no young talent or draft picks are included I'm good.

Said this before, Randle, DSJ and LAC pick for Paul.

Gallo will look for 1 last big Contract and I don't think it will be with OKC

OKC losing the rockets without westbrook should start the rebuild of the team, with the warriors back in the fold for the playoffs next year and suns and grizzlies behind, they should start with trading Paul and save money at the same time.

They get a younger PF in Randle and a reclamation point guard in DSJ plus a first round pick this year.

Not trading a first round pick when taking on that contract and giving an expiring. The Knicks should be the ones either getting a pick or a right to swap. Maybe I'd throw them a second rounder in a year we have multiples.

joec32033 wrote:

unstopaball12 wrote:

joec32033 wrote:I would do Randle and filler and cash for Paul. As long as no young talent or draft picks are included I'm good.

Said this before, Randle, DSJ and LAC pick for Paul.

Gallo will look for 1 last big Contract and I don't think it will be with OKC

OKC losing the rockets without westbrook should start the rebuild of the team, with the warriors back in the fold for the playoffs next year and suns and grizzlies behind, they should start with trading Paul and save money at the same time.

They get a younger PF in Randle and a reclamation point guard in DSJ plus a first round pick this year.

Not trading a first round pick when taking on that contract and giving an expiring. The Knicks should be the ones either getting a pick or a right to swap. Maybe I'd throw them a second rounder in a year we have multiples.

Agree...we are giving up a first for the right to pay CP 80 plus mill the nest 2 yrs....we should be getting a sweetener to take that deal..

I’d love to hear what Kenny Payne has to say about Randle before deciding to ship him out.

I’d also like to see Randle with less ball handling BUT more floor spacing. With his work ethic, we should be able to work with him. There are two sides to the eFG game, finishing through fouls to convert the three point play is also efficiency basketball. Just as valuable as hitting the 3. Just got to be able to draw the contact and finish.

smackeddog wrote:Any realistic suggestions?

Harrison Barnes. The Kings would need to send other things.

Not saying it would be a good trade for the Knicks, am saying it's a trade scenario where both sides would sit down and actually talk seriously.

The language of most middle class contracts usually does not scale to BRI. Hence all "middle class" contracts now have a built in COVID19 tax associated with them. Bismark Biyombo's is the absolute worst, he was signed by Jordan during the cap spike when market values were artificially inflated. He's a middle class contract with two levels of negative market adjustment. Even without COVID19, a lot of this was projectible, Jordan is a total fucking idiot.

Randle plays like a total asshole. That's a problem. That 4 million dollar escape hatch for 21-22 is another problem. That looks small but it's not when the tax line for the next several seasons will come crashing down.

smackeddog wrote:I like Randle as person, and his work ethic, but he's a bad fit for this team if we're building around RJ and Mitch. Doubt you can get anything of value back, so the options seem to be trade him for expiring deals, or trade him for a 2 year deal that matches his (means you lose out on the non-guaranteed salary cap space you would have got by keeping him, but means you might get a better player back or a player that fits better/frees up the PF spot for a shooter).

Any realistic suggestions?

I really struggle to think of a team that might take him for anything other than a switch of contracts (so if they had a 2 year deal, they might trade if for Randle because only $6mil of his second year is guaranteed. Straight up, here are the options:

Randles deal: $18.9mil 20-21, $19mil 21-22 (only $6mil guaranteed)

Using this:

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/contracts/so...

1 year expirings that match Randle (excluding completely unrealistic ones):

Slim pickings! Cavs aren't an option (Thompson or Drummond if they drafted Wiseman) as they have Love (please don't trade Randle for Love!)

OKC: Steven Adams (expiring $25mil)- I only say this because there was that photo of their boardroom or something where they had Randle name on a whiteboard last season- likely that was related to a CP3 trade. Would save them $6mil and they seem to do these reclamation projects (see Schroeder and CP3)

Hornets: Batum $26mil (PJ Washington makes that very unlikely)

That's it! there are no other options (just look at the list on that site). Hornets have the most contracts to shift, but he doesn't fit there at all.

SO that takes us to the 2 year deals:

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/contracts/so...

Hornets: Rozier deal (saves them money the 2year), but again, see above

And again that's it. (look at the list)

Teams with cap space- I just don't see which would be a good fit for him. Detroit is the one team desperate for anything but they have Griffin and will re-sign Wood.

Ack, who am I kidding- the only way we get rid of Randle is if we trade him for CP3, which is probably our most likely move now we won't land Ball (and likely can't get a PG in free agency). Unless I've missed something?

I think randke will shine under this coaching staff.

I would trade mitch to move up in the draft.

knicks1248 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:I like Randle as person, and his work ethic, but he's a bad fit for this team if we're building around RJ and Mitch. Doubt you can get anything of value back, so the options seem to be trade him for expiring deals, or trade him for a 2 year deal that matches his (means you lose out on the non-guaranteed salary cap space you would have got by keeping him, but means you might get a better player back or a player that fits better/frees up the PF spot for a shooter).

Any realistic suggestions?

I really struggle to think of a team that might take him for anything other than a switch of contracts (so if they had a 2 year deal, they might trade if for Randle because only $6mil of his second year is guaranteed. Straight up, here are the options:

Randles deal: $18.9mil 20-21, $19mil 21-22 (only $6mil guaranteed)

Using this:

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/contracts/so...

1 year expirings that match Randle (excluding completely unrealistic ones):

Slim pickings! Cavs aren't an option (Thompson or Drummond if they drafted Wiseman) as they have Love (please don't trade Randle for Love!)

OKC: Steven Adams (expiring $25mil)- I only say this because there was that photo of their boardroom or something where they had Randle name on a whiteboard last season- likely that was related to a CP3 trade. Would save them $6mil and they seem to do these reclamation projects (see Schroeder and CP3)

Hornets: Batum $26mil (PJ Washington makes that very unlikely)

That's it! there are no other options (just look at the list on that site). Hornets have the most contracts to shift, but he doesn't fit there at all.

SO that takes us to the 2 year deals:

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/contracts/so...

Hornets: Rozier deal (saves them money the 2year), but again, see above

And again that's it. (look at the list)

Teams with cap space- I just don't see which would be a good fit for him. Detroit is the one team desperate for anything but they have Griffin and will re-sign Wood.

Ack, who am I kidding- the only way we get rid of Randle is if we trade him for CP3, which is probably our most likely move now we won't land Ball (and likely can't get a PG in free agency). Unless I've missed something?

I think randke will shine under this coaching staff.

I would trade mitch to move up in the draft.

Hard to pull it off but you are worse than Mills as a decision maker

martin wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:I like Randle as person, and his work ethic, but he's a bad fit for this team if we're building around RJ and Mitch. Doubt you can get anything of value back, so the options seem to be trade him for expiring deals, or trade him for a 2 year deal that matches his (means you lose out on the non-guaranteed salary cap space you would have got by keeping him, but means you might get a better player back or a player that fits better/frees up the PF spot for a shooter).

Any realistic suggestions?

I really struggle to think of a team that might take him for anything other than a switch of contracts (so if they had a 2 year deal, they might trade if for Randle because only $6mil of his second year is guaranteed. Straight up, here are the options:

Randles deal: $18.9mil 20-21, $19mil 21-22 (only $6mil guaranteed)

Using this:

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/contracts/so...

1 year expirings that match Randle (excluding completely unrealistic ones):

Slim pickings! Cavs aren't an option (Thompson or Drummond if they drafted Wiseman) as they have Love (please don't trade Randle for Love!)

OKC: Steven Adams (expiring $25mil)- I only say this because there was that photo of their boardroom or something where they had Randle name on a whiteboard last season- likely that was related to a CP3 trade. Would save them $6mil and they seem to do these reclamation projects (see Schroeder and CP3)

Hornets: Batum $26mil (PJ Washington makes that very unlikely)

That's it! there are no other options (just look at the list on that site). Hornets have the most contracts to shift, but he doesn't fit there at all.

SO that takes us to the 2 year deals:

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/contracts/so...

Hornets: Rozier deal (saves them money the 2year), but again, see above

And again that's it. (look at the list)

Teams with cap space- I just don't see which would be a good fit for him. Detroit is the one team desperate for anything but they have Griffin and will re-sign Wood.

Ack, who am I kidding- the only way we get rid of Randle is if we trade him for CP3, which is probably our most likely move now we won't land Ball (and likely can't get a PG in free agency). Unless I've missed something?

I think randke will shine under this coaching staff.

I would trade mitch to move up in the draft.

Hard to pull it off but you are worse than Mills as a decision maker

I’m not against trading Mitch under the right circumstances but I agree with Martin. If I am trading Mitch, I want a guarantee. I don’t see any guarantees in this draft. Not even the projected top 3 and not even the guy I want-Nesmith.

Believe me. I love Mitch but I am also a big critic of his. He was a decent reason why we sucked this year, IMO. He’s going to have to take a big step forward this next season, in 3,000 years. With that said, I want something major in return if we are trading for him. Moving up in this draft doesn’t strike me as major.

ekstarks94 wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

unstopaball12 wrote:

joec32033 wrote:I would do Randle and filler and cash for Paul. As long as no young talent or draft picks are included I'm good.

Said this before, Randle, DSJ and LAC pick for Paul.

Gallo will look for 1 last big Contract and I don't think it will be with OKC

OKC losing the rockets without westbrook should start the rebuild of the team, with the warriors back in the fold for the playoffs next year and suns and grizzlies behind, they should start with trading Paul and save money at the same time.

They get a younger PF in Randle and a reclamation point guard in DSJ plus a first round pick this year.

Not trading a first round pick when taking on that contract and giving an expiring. The Knicks should be the ones either getting a pick or a right to swap. Maybe I'd throw them a second rounder in a year we have multiples.

Agree...we are giving up a first for the right to pay CP 80 plus mill the nest 2 yrs....we should be getting a sweetener to take that deal..

We have so many young players- RJ, Frank, Mitch, Knox and our lottery pick, plus we have draft picks, in the next few years.

CP3 gives us a chance to help with the development of the players and balances our roster.

TripleThreat wrote:

smackeddog wrote:Any realistic suggestions?

Harrison Barnes. The Kings would need to send other things.

Not saying it would be a good trade for the Knicks, am saying it's a trade scenario where both sides would sit down and actually talk seriously.

The language of most middle class contracts usually does not scale to BRI. Hence all "middle class" contracts now have a built in COVID19 tax associated with them. Bismark Biyombo's is the absolute worst, he was signed by Jordan during the cap spike when market values were artificially inflated. He's a middle class contract with two levels of negative market adjustment. Even without COVID19, a lot of this was projectible, Jordan is a total fucking idiot.

Randle plays like a total asshole. That's a problem. That 4 million dollar escape hatch for 21-22 is another problem. That looks small but it's not when the tax line for the next several seasons will come crashing down.

I left out Harrison Barnes because I didn't want it to happen Fortunately I don't see the kings trading for PF when they have Bagely at the 4

unstopaball12 wrote:

ekstarks94 wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

unstopaball12 wrote:

joec32033 wrote:I would do Randle and filler and cash for Paul. As long as no young talent or draft picks are included I'm good.

Said this before, Randle, DSJ and LAC pick for Paul.

Gallo will look for 1 last big Contract and I don't think it will be with OKC

OKC losing the rockets without westbrook should start the rebuild of the team, with the warriors back in the fold for the playoffs next year and suns and grizzlies behind, they should start with trading Paul and save money at the same time.

They get a younger PF in Randle and a reclamation point guard in DSJ plus a first round pick this year.

Not trading a first round pick when taking on that contract and giving an expiring. The Knicks should be the ones either getting a pick or a right to swap. Maybe I'd throw them a second rounder in a year we have multiples.

Agree...we are giving up a first for the right to pay CP 80 plus mill the nest 2 yrs....we should be getting a sweetener to take that deal..

We have so many young players- RJ, Frank, Mitch, Knox and our lottery pick, plus we have draft picks, in the next few years.

CP3 gives us a chance to help with the development of the players and balances our roster.

I was and am against a CP3 trade, but I think it's probably inevitable at this point- we likely can't add a PG for the next 2 seasons any other way (except DJ Augustin), we need rid of Randle, realistic 2021 FA class sucks worse than this one, Rose will likely want to make some sort of splash, and I suppose CP3 fits next to RJ too. Hope we don't get conned into giving up assets, we're doing OKC a bigger favor. Don't even want to give them Knox- just DSJr and Randle

I still do not get the CP3 logic. When has ever a league superstar agreed towards the end of his career, but still playing in top form, to give up any championship dreams and willingly go to a crap team to babysit and develop a bunch of youngsters? Morerover, a completely new team, with no previous connections, except for a relationship with a former agent.

And what good will a disgruntled CP3 teach them if he is traded here against his will?

smackeddog wrote:

TripleThreat wrote:

smackeddog wrote:Any realistic suggestions?

Harrison Barnes. The Kings would need to send other things.

Not saying it would be a good trade for the Knicks, am saying it's a trade scenario where both sides would sit down and actually talk seriously.

The language of most middle class contracts usually does not scale to BRI. Hence all "middle class" contracts now have a built in COVID19 tax associated with them. Bismark Biyombo's is the absolute worst, he was signed by Jordan during the cap spike when market values were artificially inflated. He's a middle class contract with two levels of negative market adjustment. Even without COVID19, a lot of this was projectible, Jordan is a total fucking idiot.

Randle plays like a total asshole. That's a problem. That 4 million dollar escape hatch for 21-22 is another problem. That looks small but it's not when the tax line for the next several seasons will come crashing down.

I left out Harrison Barnes because I didn't want it to happen Fortunately I don't see the kings trading for PF when they have Bagely at the 4

I was going to suggest Randle and either the LAC 1st or next years Dallas 1st for Hield. They seem to be replacing Hield with Bogdonavic and Hield can be a long term fit in a different environment.

smackeddog wrote:

unstopaball12 wrote:

ekstarks94 wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

unstopaball12 wrote:

joec32033 wrote:I would do Randle and filler and cash for Paul. As long as no young talent or draft picks are included I'm good.

Said this before, Randle, DSJ and LAC pick for Paul.

Gallo will look for 1 last big Contract and I don't think it will be with OKC

OKC losing the rockets without westbrook should start the rebuild of the team, with the warriors back in the fold for the playoffs next year and suns and grizzlies behind, they should start with trading Paul and save money at the same time.

They get a younger PF in Randle and a reclamation point guard in DSJ plus a first round pick this year.

Not trading a first round pick when taking on that contract and giving an expiring. The Knicks should be the ones either getting a pick or a right to swap. Maybe I'd throw them a second rounder in a year we have multiples.

Agree...we are giving up a first for the right to pay CP 80 plus mill the nest 2 yrs....we should be getting a sweetener to take that deal..

We have so many young players- RJ, Frank, Mitch, Knox and our lottery pick, plus we have draft picks, in the next few years.

CP3 gives us a chance to help with the development of the players and balances our roster.

I was and am against a CP3 trade, but I think it's probably inevitable at this point- we likely can't add a PG for the next 2 seasons any other way (except DJ Augustin), we need rid of Randle, realistic 2021 FA class sucks worse than this one, Rose will likely want to make some sort of splash, and I suppose CP3 fits next to RJ too. Hope we don't get conned into giving up assets, we're doing OKC a bigger favor. Don't even want to give them Knox- just DSJr and Randle

Why do we need to trade RAndle?

I guess for you homers it's Because we didn't draft him.

Who on this roster is better than randle, I meann if the knicks trade for cp3, portis would be the contract to ship out.

You would rather have a solid vet like randle to play with CP

martin wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:I like Randle as person, and his work ethic, but he's a bad fit for this team if we're building around RJ and Mitch. Doubt you can get anything of value back, so the options seem to be trade him for expiring deals, or trade him for a 2 year deal that matches his (means you lose out on the non-guaranteed salary cap space you would have got by keeping him, but means you might get a better player back or a player that fits better/frees up the PF spot for a shooter).

Any realistic suggestions?

I really struggle to think of a team that might take him for anything other than a switch of contracts (so if they had a 2 year deal, they might trade if for Randle because only $6mil of his second year is guaranteed. Straight up, here are the options:

Randles deal: $18.9mil 20-21, $19mil 21-22 (only $6mil guaranteed)

Using this:

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/contracts/so...

1 year expirings that match Randle (excluding completely unrealistic ones):

Slim pickings! Cavs aren't an option (Thompson or Drummond if they drafted Wiseman) as they have Love (please don't trade Randle for Love!)

OKC: Steven Adams (expiring $25mil)- I only say this because there was that photo of their boardroom or something where they had Randle name on a whiteboard last season- likely that was related to a CP3 trade. Would save them $6mil and they seem to do these reclamation projects (see Schroeder and CP3)

Hornets: Batum $26mil (PJ Washington makes that very unlikely)

That's it! there are no other options (just look at the list on that site). Hornets have the most contracts to shift, but he doesn't fit there at all.

SO that takes us to the 2 year deals:

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/contracts/so...

Hornets: Rozier deal (saves them money the 2year), but again, see above

And again that's it. (look at the list)

Teams with cap space- I just don't see which would be a good fit for him. Detroit is the one team desperate for anything but they have Griffin and will re-sign Wood.

Ack, who am I kidding- the only way we get rid of Randle is if we trade him for CP3, which is probably our most likely move now we won't land Ball (and likely can't get a PG in free agency). Unless I've missed something?

I think randke will shine under this coaching staff.

I would trade mitch to move up in the draft.

Hard to pull it off but you are worse than Mills as a decision maker

I actually was listening to KNICKFANTV and they were the ones who mention it, and I thought is was a solid idea for the right pieces.

I'm not saying just trade him and our pick to move up a few slots, but the center position has not had a real impact in these playoffs. Its all about small ball.

Look at the game dude, these playoffs are not the half court low scoring games of the past.

Toronto's Bench scored a 100 points yesterday

can we structure a deal to get back Buddy Hield from Sacrameto. Supposedly he wants out and lost his starting job. We could use the shooting

If Perry joins Kings he might be a Randle advocate?

Chandler wrote:
can we structure a deal to get back Buddy Hield from Sacrameto. Supposedly he wants out and lost his starting job. We could use the shooting

If Perry joins Kings he might be a Randle advocate?

I like the idea of a move for Hield. But the same reason why Harrison Barnes for Randle doesn’t work is worse with Randle for Hield. They have Bagley at PF on a rookie scale contract. And a bit of a glut of PFs behind Bagley. So, while Hield is a worthy target given his benching behind Bogdan, there isn’t a lot the Knicks can give Sac that Sac actually can really use.

EwingsGlass wrote:

Chandler wrote:
can we structure a deal to get back Buddy Hield from Sacrameto. Supposedly he wants out and lost his starting job. We could use the shooting

If Perry joins Kings he might be a Randle advocate?

I like the idea of a move for Hield. But the same reason why Harrison Barnes for Randle doesn’t work is worse with Randle for Hield. They have Bagley at PF on a rookie scale contract. And a bit of a glut of PFs behind Bagley. So, while Hield is a worthy target given his benching behind Bogdan, there isn’t a lot the Knicks can give Sac that Sac actually can really use.

Randle is more of a stetch 5 for them in my book, and hoping Perry goes there. We know when he came here he still loved Mario and Payton -- doubling down on mistakes -- so hoping for the same

I would also take Barnes but i see that as a tougher deal to swing in that i can imagine Sacramento wanting to get rid of Hield