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smackeddog wrote:I’m genuinely not interested And don’t care- these people should just stop complaining about their jobs or livelihoods
With Cub, Target, two Aldi stores and many small markets damaged by rioting over the past week, Longfellow and about eight other neighborhoods have nearly become a food desert.“I consider the loss of these businesses devastating,” said Melanie Majors, executive director of the Longfellow Community Council. “Besides just the food, there’s a lack of retail for diapers, formula, household goods, even clothing.”
Many residents of the area shop lower-priced stores such as Aldi or dollar stores. Two of those dollar stores — including Family Dollar on Lake Street — were destroyed in last week’s looting and violence that arose after George Floyd was killed in Minneapolis police custody.
One Aldi store on E. Franklin Avenue in Minneapolis reopened Monday after power was restored to it. The frozen foods section had been cleared out due to the outage that started late last week, but shelves were being restocked Monday.
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Amplifying the problem over the weekend and again on Monday was the fact that Metro Transit was not operating buses or trains. Public transportation will again be shut down on Tuesday.
Sylvester Hudson walked about 40 minutes from Fort Snelling Apartments to the Cub Foods at E. 46th Street and Hiawatha Avenue.
It is the only supermarket left in the Longfellow neighborhood along the light-rail line after four other supermarkets closed because of destruction during the protests.
“I don’t know if I’ll be able to catch a cab, so I’ll probably have to walk,” said Hudson, 70, who brought a two-wheeled cart for grocery transport, as he finished shopping at Cub Foods. “This is the only store left open in the neighborhood that I can walk to.”
As CBS 2’s Vince Gerasole reported Monday evening, grocery stores have been forced to shut down in the neighborhoods that need them the most.In the chaos of a violent weekend, South Side grocery stories were vandalized and looted even as late as Monday afternoon.
“It’s a free-for-all,” said David Robinson of South Shore.
Robinson kept his distance from the Jewel at 75th Street and Stoney Island Avenue.
“Windows had been completely smashed,” Robinson said. “The building was defaced.”
Now in the South Side neighborhoods that struggle as food desserts, the few limited stores are boarding up and shutting down for the moment, like South Shore’s Local Market.
“We are concerned about our workers and our shoppers, so we are taking the necessary steps to make sure both parties are OK,” said the Local Market’s Marvin Brown.
“The food access is not only limited, it’s now nonexistent,” said Amena Karem of Feeding South Shore.
Karem partners with the grocery to bring 1,000 meals a week to those in need.
“The elderly, medically fragile, low-income families,” she said.
This Kroger, which is located in Russell, one of Louisville's historically Black neighborhood, is one of the only grocery stores accessible to residents in the city's West End.It had been boarded up Monday in anticipation of protests and potential looting. By early Tuesday, a video began circulating of multiple people running through a side door, pushing carts of items. The Courier Journal reported rounds of gunfire can be heard in the background. The nearby Chase ATM was broken into, as well, as the video shows a group pulling money from the damaged machine.
"There are criminals exploiting this occasion of sincere protest to create destruction and to steal from a business that so many community members rely on for their most basic needs," Louisville Mayor Greg Fischer said in a subsequent press conference. "So come on, folks. We're better than this."
....
Cassia Herron is the president of the Louisville Association for Community Economics, an urban planner and an outspoken proponent of food access in the city's food deserts and Black communities, which often overlap.
"We've heard rumors for years that that Kroger was going to close permanently," Herron said. "And there are only two major supermarkets that serve 60,000 residents, and that is one of the stores. So if that Kroger closes, West Louisville will have one supermarket and mostly dollar stores."
Store closures due to looting and protests across the country have sparked similar realizations.
In Chicago, several pharmacies and grocery stores were damaged in the weekend's unrest, leaving many of them shut down indefinitely. Residents of the city's Auburn-Gresham neighborhood, where 96.98% of the population is Black, told ABC 7 Chicago that they were concerned chains like Walmart and Whole Foods wouldn't want to reopen in the community, which is already considered a food desert.
"If you shut down those few stores that are in the community, how long can people go on with that?" asked Father Michael Pfleger of the nearby St. Sabina Catholic Church.
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BRIGGS wrote:The point I was trying to make yesterday is that our country is a good country.There are things that have been sensationalized
People are not dying in the streets
Half my family was taken to concentration camps. Tortured starved then gassed. Only my grandpa escaping with his brother— only reason I’m here. 5 of his other brothers and sisters zapped.
Millions of people killed slaughtered.
We don’t have that here— it’s a disgrace to even compare.
We do NOT need looting and anarchy
We need to progressively work through issues—we’ve come a long way to the positive.
We need reasonable reforms
But this sensationalism is too much.
Whether white black chibese Spanish Russian middle eastern
We just need to work it through peacefully. I’m sick of hard line trump supporters. I’m sick of the elitist other side trying to dictate as well. I was hoping for a guy like Mark Cuban to come in— that was my hope cuz he’s got fair common sense both ways.
We just need common sense
This isn’t nazi Germany like its depicted— that’s a gross offensive comparison
You are free in the Us in any color or creed to become President to become a billionaire to go and do what u want.
In many countries these protests would not happen. They’d all be dead. You can do it here but now it’s going beyond reason— it’s criminal
I don’t like radical positions. It’s not fair and it’s not 50-50. We need 50-50 and reasonable minds coming together
There are people literally dying in the streets Briggs.
You could make a case that we won't reach the point of a Holocaust or Slavery because people will fight and protest and riot and loot before that could ever even be imagined happening again. It was war that ended Slavery here in America and every single piece of progress that we have achieved here branding America the way it has been branded has been due to the effects of protest, riots, looting and war. Sure I wish that we reached a point in society that we moved past these things but clearly we haven't. People are fed up from everything between racism, wage gap, wage stagnation in comparison to cost of living etc etc...
If you haven't seen it yet, which i'm pretty sure you haven't. Watch the documentary on Kalief Browder on Netlix. In 2010 a 16 yr old kid who was accused of and arrested for stealing a backpack he never stole. He spent 3 years in prison without ever getting a trial before killing himself. Was in solitary confinement for 2 yrs. How would you say his American experience was? But hey, at least it wasn't the Holocaust or Slavery.
newyorknewyork wrote:BRIGGS wrote:The point I was trying to make yesterday is that our country is a good country.There are things that have been sensationalized
People are not dying in the streets
Half my family was taken to concentration camps. Tortured starved then gassed. Only my grandpa escaping with his brother— only reason I’m here. 5 of his other brothers and sisters zapped.
Millions of people killed slaughtered.
We don’t have that here— it’s a disgrace to even compare.
We do NOT need looting and anarchy
We need to progressively work through issues—we’ve come a long way to the positive.
We need reasonable reforms
But this sensationalism is too much.
Whether white black chibese Spanish Russian middle eastern
We just need to work it through peacefully. I’m sick of hard line trump supporters. I’m sick of the elitist other side trying to dictate as well. I was hoping for a guy like Mark Cuban to come in— that was my hope cuz he’s got fair common sense both ways.
We just need common sense
This isn’t nazi Germany like its depicted— that’s a gross offensive comparison
You are free in the Us in any color or creed to become President to become a billionaire to go and do what u want.
In many countries these protests would not happen. They’d all be dead. You can do it here but now it’s going beyond reason— it’s criminal
I don’t like radical positions. It’s not fair and it’s not 50-50. We need 50-50 and reasonable minds coming togetherThere are people literally dying in the streets Briggs.
You could make a case that we won't reach the point of a Holocaust or Slavery because people will fight and protest and riot and loot before that could ever even be imagined happening again. It was war that ended Slavery here in America and every single piece of progress that we have achieved here branding America the way it has been branded has been due to the effects of protest, riots, looting and war. Sure I wish that we reached a point in society that we moved past these things but clearly we haven't. People are fed up from everything between racism, wage gap, wage stagnation in comparison to cost of living etc etc...
If you haven't seen it yet, which i'm pretty sure you haven't. Watch the documentary on Kalief Browder on Netlix. In 2010 a 16 yr old kid who was accused of and arrested for stealing a backpack he never stole. He spent 3 years in prison without ever getting a trial before killing himself. Was in solitary confinement for 2 yrs. How would you say his American experience was? But hey, at least it wasn't the Holocaust or Slavery.
This is a good progressive nation newyork. Go take this arguement up in China. We have come a long way in a short period. No people are not dying in the streets ny— that’s sensationalism. This is a great great country— you are free to become all u can be. Dam we’re sitting here talking about the Knicks while people in India have no toilets. Be great full we live here! Take advantage of it!
BRIGGS wrote:The point I was trying to make yesterday is that our country is a good country.There are things that have been sensationalized
People are not dying in the streets
Half my family was taken to concentration camps. Tortured starved then gassed. Only my grandpa escaping with his brother— only reason I’m here. 5 of his other brothers and sisters zapped.
Millions of people killed slaughtered.
We don’t have that here— it’s a disgrace to even compare.
We do NOT need looting and anarchy
We need to progressively work through issues—we’ve come a long way to the positive.
We need reasonable reforms
But this sensationalism is too much.
Whether white black chibese Spanish Russian middle eastern
We just need to work it through peacefully. I’m sick of hard line trump supporters. I’m sick of the elitist other side trying to dictate as well. I was hoping for a guy like Mark Cuban to come in— that was my hope cuz he’s got fair common sense both ways.
We just need common sense
This isn’t nazi Germany like its depicted— that’s a gross offensive comparison
You are free in the Us in any color or creed to become President to become a billionaire to go and do what u want.
In many countries these protests would not happen. They’d all be dead. You can do it here but now it’s going beyond reason— it’s criminal
I don’t like radical positions. It’s not fair and it’s not 50-50. We need 50-50 and reasonable minds coming together
Not its not Nazi Germany. Many things still have to happen. This is Trumps America. If you could not see his bullshit then I hope you can see it now. You argued things 4 years ago that basically were in agreement with “Why not give trump a chance, what do black Americans have to lose?”
Anti Semitism and racism is more permissible in this administration. Racism and Anti Semitisim is not Trumps fault but he sure as hell inflamed it. You talk freedom of speech but Trump berates the press every day.
That’s when the Nazi’s won. And that shyt has to stop NOW.
Love this: MLK3....
If your looking for a savior, look in the mirror. Not Mark Cuban. Take your head out of your ass and look around. ITs going up in flames. Soon you get to point of no return.
TripleThreat wrote:smackeddog wrote:I’m genuinely not interested And don’t care- these people should just stop complaining about their jobs or livelihoods
With Cub, Target, two Aldi stores and many small markets damaged by rioting over the past week, Longfellow and about eight other neighborhoods have nearly become a food desert.“I consider the loss of these businesses devastating,” said Melanie Majors, executive director of the Longfellow Community Council. “Besides just the food, there’s a lack of retail for diapers, formula, household goods, even clothing.”
Many residents of the area shop lower-priced stores such as Aldi or dollar stores. Two of those dollar stores — including Family Dollar on Lake Street — were destroyed in last week’s looting and violence that arose after George Floyd was killed in Minneapolis police custody.
One Aldi store on E. Franklin Avenue in Minneapolis reopened Monday after power was restored to it. The frozen foods section had been cleared out due to the outage that started late last week, but shelves were being restocked Monday.
....
Amplifying the problem over the weekend and again on Monday was the fact that Metro Transit was not operating buses or trains. Public transportation will again be shut down on Tuesday.
Sylvester Hudson walked about 40 minutes from Fort Snelling Apartments to the Cub Foods at E. 46th Street and Hiawatha Avenue.
It is the only supermarket left in the Longfellow neighborhood along the light-rail line after four other supermarkets closed because of destruction during the protests.
“I don’t know if I’ll be able to catch a cab, so I’ll probably have to walk,” said Hudson, 70, who brought a two-wheeled cart for grocery transport, as he finished shopping at Cub Foods. “This is the only store left open in the neighborhood that I can walk to.”
As CBS 2’s Vince Gerasole reported Monday evening, grocery stores have been forced to shut down in the neighborhoods that need them the most.In the chaos of a violent weekend, South Side grocery stories were vandalized and looted even as late as Monday afternoon.
“It’s a free-for-all,” said David Robinson of South Shore.
Robinson kept his distance from the Jewel at 75th Street and Stoney Island Avenue.
“Windows had been completely smashed,” Robinson said. “The building was defaced.”
Now in the South Side neighborhoods that struggle as food desserts, the few limited stores are boarding up and shutting down for the moment, like South Shore’s Local Market.
“We are concerned about our workers and our shoppers, so we are taking the necessary steps to make sure both parties are OK,” said the Local Market’s Marvin Brown.
“The food access is not only limited, it’s now nonexistent,” said Amena Karem of Feeding South Shore.
Karem partners with the grocery to bring 1,000 meals a week to those in need.
“The elderly, medically fragile, low-income families,” she said.
This Kroger, which is located in Russell, one of Louisville's historically Black neighborhood, is one of the only grocery stores accessible to residents in the city's West End.It had been boarded up Monday in anticipation of protests and potential looting. By early Tuesday, a video began circulating of multiple people running through a side door, pushing carts of items. The Courier Journal reported rounds of gunfire can be heard in the background. The nearby Chase ATM was broken into, as well, as the video shows a group pulling money from the damaged machine.
"There are criminals exploiting this occasion of sincere protest to create destruction and to steal from a business that so many community members rely on for their most basic needs," Louisville Mayor Greg Fischer said in a subsequent press conference. "So come on, folks. We're better than this."
....
Cassia Herron is the president of the Louisville Association for Community Economics, an urban planner and an outspoken proponent of food access in the city's food deserts and Black communities, which often overlap.
"We've heard rumors for years that that Kroger was going to close permanently," Herron said. "And there are only two major supermarkets that serve 60,000 residents, and that is one of the stores. So if that Kroger closes, West Louisville will have one supermarket and mostly dollar stores."
Store closures due to looting and protests across the country have sparked similar realizations.
In Chicago, several pharmacies and grocery stores were damaged in the weekend's unrest, leaving many of them shut down indefinitely. Residents of the city's Auburn-Gresham neighborhood, where 96.98% of the population is Black, told ABC 7 Chicago that they were concerned chains like Walmart and Whole Foods wouldn't want to reopen in the community, which is already considered a food desert.
"If you shut down those few stores that are in the community, how long can people go on with that?" asked Father Michael Pfleger of the nearby St. Sabina Catholic Church.
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You're being such a disingenuous poster on this subject (as indicated by your deliberate editing out of the rest of my post). You just have a hostility against BLM, and are pretending to either yourself or other people, it's out of concern for business. Yet you also were against players peacefully protesting on the court in Orlando. You'd endlessly pivot against it no matter what the form of protest. So how exactly do you think people should be 'allowed' to racist police murders? Why do you have more empathy for stores and windows than you do for actual people being killed?
Honestly, people are focusing on the micro-issues instead of the macro-issues. Penzey’s owner’s response in Kenosha is a counter-point to the looting as well. He is donating the contents of his store to charity to contest the point that he’d care more about looting than social justice if he was looted.
Stop distracting the issue with individual behavior. It is distracting, for sure. But I believe that emotionally intelligent people can see past the ugly portions of this to see what it really is. It’s all outrage against the systemic issue. And the outrage is warranted regardless of whether you agree or disagree with the way that outrage is exhibited.
They say don’t kneel. Don’t wear shirts. Don’t boycott. Don’t protest peacibly. Don’t riot. Don’t loot. At some point you have to ask yourself what method of demonstrating this outrage is acceptable to you? My answer to you is - I don’t really give a f—— what you want people to do. Or what is economically sensible. All I want is for people like you to decide that it is time to listen and understand the issues. So far, these emotional barriers to admitting racism exists makes you blind to all forms of protest and demonstration.
Shooting is worse than looting. Kneeling during the anthem is better than kneeling on someone’s neck. How are people still blind to this? When you stop arguing against, it is cathartic. You can take a step back and think - holy crap, how did I miss that entire systemic racism thing....
BRIGGS wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:BRIGGS wrote:The point I was trying to make yesterday is that our country is a good country.There are things that have been sensationalized
People are not dying in the streets
Half my family was taken to concentration camps. Tortured starved then gassed. Only my grandpa escaping with his brother— only reason I’m here. 5 of his other brothers and sisters zapped.
Millions of people killed slaughtered.
We don’t have that here— it’s a disgrace to even compare.
We do NOT need looting and anarchy
We need to progressively work through issues—we’ve come a long way to the positive.
We need reasonable reforms
But this sensationalism is too much.
Whether white black chibese Spanish Russian middle eastern
We just need to work it through peacefully. I’m sick of hard line trump supporters. I’m sick of the elitist other side trying to dictate as well. I was hoping for a guy like Mark Cuban to come in— that was my hope cuz he’s got fair common sense both ways.
We just need common sense
This isn’t nazi Germany like its depicted— that’s a gross offensive comparison
You are free in the Us in any color or creed to become President to become a billionaire to go and do what u want.
In many countries these protests would not happen. They’d all be dead. You can do it here but now it’s going beyond reason— it’s criminal
I don’t like radical positions. It’s not fair and it’s not 50-50. We need 50-50 and reasonable minds coming togetherThere are people literally dying in the streets Briggs.
You could make a case that we won't reach the point of a Holocaust or Slavery because people will fight and protest and riot and loot before that could ever even be imagined happening again. It was war that ended Slavery here in America and every single piece of progress that we have achieved here branding America the way it has been branded has been due to the effects of protest, riots, looting and war. Sure I wish that we reached a point in society that we moved past these things but clearly we haven't. People are fed up from everything between racism, wage gap, wage stagnation in comparison to cost of living etc etc...
If you haven't seen it yet, which i'm pretty sure you haven't. Watch the documentary on Kalief Browder on Netlix. In 2010 a 16 yr old kid who was accused of and arrested for stealing a backpack he never stole. He spent 3 years in prison without ever getting a trial before killing himself. Was in solitary confinement for 2 yrs. How would you say his American experience was? But hey, at least it wasn't the Holocaust or Slavery.
This is a good progressive nation newyork. Go take this arguement up in China. We have come a long way in a short period. No people are not dying in the streets ny— that’s sensationalism. This is a great great country— you are free to become all u can be. Dam we’re sitting here talking about the Knicks while people in India have no toilets. Be great full we live here! Take advantage of it!
And what has formed America into a "good progressive nation" has been war, protest, riots & looting creating pressure for progressive legislation. Aubrey, Floyd, & Blake all died in the street. So not sure what you are alluding to when you say "No people are dying in the streets".
Not to mention https://insp.ngo/there-are-literally-...
Yes Briggs compared to other nations we are privileged. Privileged due to the 400 yrs of free labor on the backs of black slaves that died before us to make the country extremely wealthy. When your ancestors escaped their hell which gave you the opportunity to have a new life and the success you have had here. They came to the utopia in comparison forged off the backs of slaves and the oppressed. Which POC would also go out and fight in wars to protect these freedoms, opportunities, and privileges that you and your family who fled here were able to participate in growing up. While being treated like 2nd class citizens when they got back home. Having prosperous flourishing communities burned to the ground. Being redlined and prevented access to funds to build up communities and create long term wealth that their future generations could enjoy.
newyorknewyork wrote:BRIGGS wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:BRIGGS wrote:The point I was trying to make yesterday is that our country is a good country.There are things that have been sensationalized
People are not dying in the streets
Half my family was taken to concentration camps. Tortured starved then gassed. Only my grandpa escaping with his brother— only reason I’m here. 5 of his other brothers and sisters zapped.
Millions of people killed slaughtered.
We don’t have that here— it’s a disgrace to even compare.
We do NOT need looting and anarchy
We need to progressively work through issues—we’ve come a long way to the positive.
We need reasonable reforms
But this sensationalism is too much.
Whether white black chibese Spanish Russian middle eastern
We just need to work it through peacefully. I’m sick of hard line trump supporters. I’m sick of the elitist other side trying to dictate as well. I was hoping for a guy like Mark Cuban to come in— that was my hope cuz he’s got fair common sense both ways.
We just need common sense
This isn’t nazi Germany like its depicted— that’s a gross offensive comparison
You are free in the Us in any color or creed to become President to become a billionaire to go and do what u want.
In many countries these protests would not happen. They’d all be dead. You can do it here but now it’s going beyond reason— it’s criminal
I don’t like radical positions. It’s not fair and it’s not 50-50. We need 50-50 and reasonable minds coming togetherThere are people literally dying in the streets Briggs.
You could make a case that we won't reach the point of a Holocaust or Slavery because people will fight and protest and riot and loot before that could ever even be imagined happening again. It was war that ended Slavery here in America and every single piece of progress that we have achieved here branding America the way it has been branded has been due to the effects of protest, riots, looting and war. Sure I wish that we reached a point in society that we moved past these things but clearly we haven't. People are fed up from everything between racism, wage gap, wage stagnation in comparison to cost of living etc etc...
If you haven't seen it yet, which i'm pretty sure you haven't. Watch the documentary on Kalief Browder on Netlix. In 2010 a 16 yr old kid who was accused of and arrested for stealing a backpack he never stole. He spent 3 years in prison without ever getting a trial before killing himself. Was in solitary confinement for 2 yrs. How would you say his American experience was? But hey, at least it wasn't the Holocaust or Slavery.
This is a good progressive nation newyork. Go take this arguement up in China. We have come a long way in a short period. No people are not dying in the streets ny— that’s sensationalism. This is a great great country— you are free to become all u can be. Dam we’re sitting here talking about the Knicks while people in India have no toilets. Be great full we live here! Take advantage of it!
And what has formed America into a "good progressive nation" has been war, protest, riots & looting creating pressure for progressive legislation. Aubrey, Floyd, & Blake all died in the street. So not sure what you are alluding to when you say "No people are dying in the streets".
Not to mention https://insp.ngo/there-are-literally-...
Yes Briggs compared to other nations we are privileged. Privileged due to the 400 yrs of free labor on the backs of black slaves that died before us to make the country extremely wealthy. When your ancestors escaped their hell which gave you the opportunity to have a new life and the success you have had here. They came to the utopia in comparison forged off the backs of slaves and the oppressed. Which POC would also go out and fight in wars to protect these freedoms, opportunities, and privileges that you and your family who fled here were able to participate in growing up. While being treated like 2nd class citizens when they got back home. Having prosperous flourishing communities burned to the ground. Being redlined and prevented access to funds to build up communities and create long term wealth that their future generations could enjoy.
Great post!!
newyorknewyork wrote:BRIGGS wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:BRIGGS wrote:The point I was trying to make yesterday is that our country is a good country.There are things that have been sensationalized
People are not dying in the streets
Half my family was taken to concentration camps. Tortured starved then gassed. Only my grandpa escaping with his brother— only reason I’m here. 5 of his other brothers and sisters zapped.
Millions of people killed slaughtered.
We don’t have that here— it’s a disgrace to even compare.
We do NOT need looting and anarchy
We need to progressively work through issues—we’ve come a long way to the positive.
We need reasonable reforms
But this sensationalism is too much.
Whether white black chibese Spanish Russian middle eastern
We just need to work it through peacefully. I’m sick of hard line trump supporters. I’m sick of the elitist other side trying to dictate as well. I was hoping for a guy like Mark Cuban to come in— that was my hope cuz he’s got fair common sense both ways.
We just need common sense
This isn’t nazi Germany like its depicted— that’s a gross offensive comparison
You are free in the Us in any color or creed to become President to become a billionaire to go and do what u want.
In many countries these protests would not happen. They’d all be dead. You can do it here but now it’s going beyond reason— it’s criminal
I don’t like radical positions. It’s not fair and it’s not 50-50. We need 50-50 and reasonable minds coming togetherThere are people literally dying in the streets Briggs.
You could make a case that we won't reach the point of a Holocaust or Slavery because people will fight and protest and riot and loot before that could ever even be imagined happening again. It was war that ended Slavery here in America and every single piece of progress that we have achieved here branding America the way it has been branded has been due to the effects of protest, riots, looting and war. Sure I wish that we reached a point in society that we moved past these things but clearly we haven't. People are fed up from everything between racism, wage gap, wage stagnation in comparison to cost of living etc etc...
If you haven't seen it yet, which i'm pretty sure you haven't. Watch the documentary on Kalief Browder on Netlix. In 2010 a 16 yr old kid who was accused of and arrested for stealing a backpack he never stole. He spent 3 years in prison without ever getting a trial before killing himself. Was in solitary confinement for 2 yrs. How would you say his American experience was? But hey, at least it wasn't the Holocaust or Slavery.
This is a good progressive nation newyork. Go take this arguement up in China. We have come a long way in a short period. No people are not dying in the streets ny— that’s sensationalism. This is a great great country— you are free to become all u can be. Dam we’re sitting here talking about the Knicks while people in India have no toilets. Be great full we live here! Take advantage of it!
And what has formed America into a "good progressive nation" has been war, protest, riots & looting creating pressure for progressive legislation. Aubrey, Floyd, & Blake all died in the street. So not sure what you are alluding to when you say "No people are dying in the streets".
Not to mention https://insp.ngo/there-are-literally-...
Yes Briggs compared to other nations we are privileged. Privileged due to the 400 yrs of free labor on the backs of black slaves that died before us to make the country extremely wealthy. When your ancestors escaped their hell which gave you the opportunity to have a new life and the success you have had here. They came to the utopia in comparison forged off the backs of slaves and the oppressed. Which POC would also go out and fight in wars to protect these freedoms, opportunities, and privileges that you and your family who fled here were able to participate in growing up. While being treated like 2nd class citizens when they got back home. Having prosperous flourishing communities burned to the ground. Being redlined and prevented access to funds to build up communities and create long term wealth that their future generations could enjoy.
I honestly really struggle to understand why some people think America is a great and good nation when you read it's history at home and abroad (I'm not attacking them, I'm being genuine, I genuinely don't understand where they're coming from)
newyorknewyork wrote:BRIGGS wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:BRIGGS wrote:The point I was trying to make yesterday is that our country is a good country.There are things that have been sensationalized
People are not dying in the streets
Half my family was taken to concentration camps. Tortured starved then gassed. Only my grandpa escaping with his brother— only reason I’m here. 5 of his other brothers and sisters zapped.
Millions of people killed slaughtered.
We don’t have that here— it’s a disgrace to even compare.
We do NOT need looting and anarchy
We need to progressively work through issues—we’ve come a long way to the positive.
We need reasonable reforms
But this sensationalism is too much.
Whether white black chibese Spanish Russian middle eastern
We just need to work it through peacefully. I’m sick of hard line trump supporters. I’m sick of the elitist other side trying to dictate as well. I was hoping for a guy like Mark Cuban to come in— that was my hope cuz he’s got fair common sense both ways.
We just need common sense
This isn’t nazi Germany like its depicted— that’s a gross offensive comparison
You are free in the Us in any color or creed to become President to become a billionaire to go and do what u want.
In many countries these protests would not happen. They’d all be dead. You can do it here but now it’s going beyond reason— it’s criminal
I don’t like radical positions. It’s not fair and it’s not 50-50. We need 50-50 and reasonable minds coming togetherThere are people literally dying in the streets Briggs.
You could make a case that we won't reach the point of a Holocaust or Slavery because people will fight and protest and riot and loot before that could ever even be imagined happening again. It was war that ended Slavery here in America and every single piece of progress that we have achieved here branding America the way it has been branded has been due to the effects of protest, riots, looting and war. Sure I wish that we reached a point in society that we moved past these things but clearly we haven't. People are fed up from everything between racism, wage gap, wage stagnation in comparison to cost of living etc etc...
If you haven't seen it yet, which i'm pretty sure you haven't. Watch the documentary on Kalief Browder on Netlix. In 2010 a 16 yr old kid who was accused of and arrested for stealing a backpack he never stole. He spent 3 years in prison without ever getting a trial before killing himself. Was in solitary confinement for 2 yrs. How would you say his American experience was? But hey, at least it wasn't the Holocaust or Slavery.
This is a good progressive nation newyork. Go take this arguement up in China. We have come a long way in a short period. No people are not dying in the streets ny— that’s sensationalism. This is a great great country— you are free to become all u can be. Dam we’re sitting here talking about the Knicks while people in India have no toilets. Be great full we live here! Take advantage of it!
And what has formed America into a "good progressive nation" has been war, protest, riots & looting creating pressure for progressive legislation. Aubrey, Floyd, & Blake all died in the street. So not sure what you are alluding to when you say "No people are dying in the streets".
Not to mention https://insp.ngo/there-are-literally-...
Yes Briggs compared to other nations we are privileged. Privileged due to the 400 yrs of free labor on the backs of black slaves that died before us to make the country extremely wealthy. When your ancestors escaped their hell which gave you the opportunity to have a new life and the success you have had here. They came to the utopia in comparison forged off the backs of slaves and the oppressed. Which POC would also go out and fight in wars to protect these freedoms, opportunities, and privileges that you and your family who fled here were able to participate in growing up. While being treated like 2nd class citizens when they got back home. Having prosperous flourishing communities burned to the ground. Being redlined and prevented access to funds to build up communities and create long term wealth that their future generations could enjoy.
I’m sorry newyork -/ what country do you want the US to be? China? India? Cuba? Spain?
In the Us a black persons can become President— the ultimate position of power in the WORLD. You can work hard in school and become anything u want to be. Yiu can work in a trade and make a great living for you and your family. Yiu can live in any state any city go to school for free and have access to a quality education. Yiu can vacation anywhere freely. Yiu can speak your voice freely. You should move your arse out to China and make the same complaints! Right. Here you can have a voice— if you said this in China. They’d come look for u! You’re not realizing what u have cuz you’re busy whining about what’s not perfect — guess what. Life Will never be perfect but it WILL and HAS progressively improved. Stop crying newyork— if you feel that bad go offer your services in a minority community. I offer help to churches each year despite being Jewish. Help your community— all I see with these protests are criminalistics people trying to break things down. Like I said people in India don’t have acces to toilets. There’s a tremendous amount of inequality throughout the world — we have it good here— you’re just blinded
You are trying to tell me what’s wrong with the US but you’re forgetting a big issue— what’s right with the US. You’re over dramatizing the current situation and the way you come across no one is gonna listen— we don’t live in a shit bowl country like u r intimating. You’re going overboard.
Why can’t the Us simply take the next step in modernizing police reform and have true legislature on gun control? It’s common sense — these issues protested about concerns police!!!!!!!!!!! Police reform is the next step. I can do nothing about the past. I can’t stop slavery I can stop the Holocaust I can stop pandemics but we can LEARN from history newyork and we can progressively move on. I only bring up the Holocaust when it’s necessary cuz people tend to think their own people are the only ones who had it poor in the past. Not so. There has been inequalities abd wring dojbg in the tire history of the world 400 years in a second of tine.Focus on the positive work on the negative
smackeddog wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:BRIGGS wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:BRIGGS wrote:The point I was trying to make yesterday is that our country is a good country.There are things that have been sensationalized
People are not dying in the streets
Half my family was taken to concentration camps. Tortured starved then gassed. Only my grandpa escaping with his brother— only reason I’m here. 5 of his other brothers and sisters zapped.
Millions of people killed slaughtered.
We don’t have that here— it’s a disgrace to even compare.
We do NOT need looting and anarchy
We need to progressively work through issues—we’ve come a long way to the positive.
We need reasonable reforms
But this sensationalism is too much.
Whether white black chibese Spanish Russian middle eastern
We just need to work it through peacefully. I’m sick of hard line trump supporters. I’m sick of the elitist other side trying to dictate as well. I was hoping for a guy like Mark Cuban to come in— that was my hope cuz he’s got fair common sense both ways.
We just need common sense
This isn’t nazi Germany like its depicted— that’s a gross offensive comparison
You are free in the Us in any color or creed to become President to become a billionaire to go and do what u want.
In many countries these protests would not happen. They’d all be dead. You can do it here but now it’s going beyond reason— it’s criminal
I don’t like radical positions. It’s not fair and it’s not 50-50. We need 50-50 and reasonable minds coming togetherThere are people literally dying in the streets Briggs.
You could make a case that we won't reach the point of a Holocaust or Slavery because people will fight and protest and riot and loot before that could ever even be imagined happening again. It was war that ended Slavery here in America and every single piece of progress that we have achieved here branding America the way it has been branded has been due to the effects of protest, riots, looting and war. Sure I wish that we reached a point in society that we moved past these things but clearly we haven't. People are fed up from everything between racism, wage gap, wage stagnation in comparison to cost of living etc etc...
If you haven't seen it yet, which i'm pretty sure you haven't. Watch the documentary on Kalief Browder on Netlix. In 2010 a 16 yr old kid who was accused of and arrested for stealing a backpack he never stole. He spent 3 years in prison without ever getting a trial before killing himself. Was in solitary confinement for 2 yrs. How would you say his American experience was? But hey, at least it wasn't the Holocaust or Slavery.
This is a good progressive nation newyork. Go take this arguement up in China. We have come a long way in a short period. No people are not dying in the streets ny— that’s sensationalism. This is a great great country— you are free to become all u can be. Dam we’re sitting here talking about the Knicks while people in India have no toilets. Be great full we live here! Take advantage of it!
And what has formed America into a "good progressive nation" has been war, protest, riots & looting creating pressure for progressive legislation. Aubrey, Floyd, & Blake all died in the street. So not sure what you are alluding to when you say "No people are dying in the streets".
Not to mention https://insp.ngo/there-are-literally-...
Yes Briggs compared to other nations we are privileged. Privileged due to the 400 yrs of free labor on the backs of black slaves that died before us to make the country extremely wealthy. When your ancestors escaped their hell which gave you the opportunity to have a new life and the success you have had here. They came to the utopia in comparison forged off the backs of slaves and the oppressed. Which POC would also go out and fight in wars to protect these freedoms, opportunities, and privileges that you and your family who fled here were able to participate in growing up. While being treated like 2nd class citizens when they got back home. Having prosperous flourishing communities burned to the ground. Being redlined and prevented access to funds to build up communities and create long term wealth that their future generations could enjoy.
I honestly really struggle to understand why some people think America is a great and good nation when you read it's history at home and abroad (I'm not attacking them, I'm being genuine, I genuinely don't understand where they're coming from)
If the us sucks so bad I’m sure you are free to move to a country that makes u happy.
BRIGGS wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:BRIGGS wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:BRIGGS wrote:The point I was trying to make yesterday is that our country is a good country.There are things that have been sensationalized
People are not dying in the streets
Half my family was taken to concentration camps. Tortured starved then gassed. Only my grandpa escaping with his brother— only reason I’m here. 5 of his other brothers and sisters zapped.
Millions of people killed slaughtered.
We don’t have that here— it’s a disgrace to even compare.
We do NOT need looting and anarchy
We need to progressively work through issues—we’ve come a long way to the positive.
We need reasonable reforms
But this sensationalism is too much.
Whether white black chibese Spanish Russian middle eastern
We just need to work it through peacefully. I’m sick of hard line trump supporters. I’m sick of the elitist other side trying to dictate as well. I was hoping for a guy like Mark Cuban to come in— that was my hope cuz he’s got fair common sense both ways.
We just need common sense
This isn’t nazi Germany like its depicted— that’s a gross offensive comparison
You are free in the Us in any color or creed to become President to become a billionaire to go and do what u want.
In many countries these protests would not happen. They’d all be dead. You can do it here but now it’s going beyond reason— it’s criminal
I don’t like radical positions. It’s not fair and it’s not 50-50. We need 50-50 and reasonable minds coming togetherThere are people literally dying in the streets Briggs.
You could make a case that we won't reach the point of a Holocaust or Slavery because people will fight and protest and riot and loot before that could ever even be imagined happening again. It was war that ended Slavery here in America and every single piece of progress that we have achieved here branding America the way it has been branded has been due to the effects of protest, riots, looting and war. Sure I wish that we reached a point in society that we moved past these things but clearly we haven't. People are fed up from everything between racism, wage gap, wage stagnation in comparison to cost of living etc etc...
If you haven't seen it yet, which i'm pretty sure you haven't. Watch the documentary on Kalief Browder on Netlix. In 2010 a 16 yr old kid who was accused of and arrested for stealing a backpack he never stole. He spent 3 years in prison without ever getting a trial before killing himself. Was in solitary confinement for 2 yrs. How would you say his American experience was? But hey, at least it wasn't the Holocaust or Slavery.
This is a good progressive nation newyork. Go take this arguement up in China. We have come a long way in a short period. No people are not dying in the streets ny— that’s sensationalism. This is a great great country— you are free to become all u can be. Dam we’re sitting here talking about the Knicks while people in India have no toilets. Be great full we live here! Take advantage of it!
And what has formed America into a "good progressive nation" has been war, protest, riots & looting creating pressure for progressive legislation. Aubrey, Floyd, & Blake all died in the street. So not sure what you are alluding to when you say "No people are dying in the streets".
Not to mention https://insp.ngo/there-are-literally-...
Yes Briggs compared to other nations we are privileged. Privileged due to the 400 yrs of free labor on the backs of black slaves that died before us to make the country extremely wealthy. When your ancestors escaped their hell which gave you the opportunity to have a new life and the success you have had here. They came to the utopia in comparison forged off the backs of slaves and the oppressed. Which POC would also go out and fight in wars to protect these freedoms, opportunities, and privileges that you and your family who fled here were able to participate in growing up. While being treated like 2nd class citizens when they got back home. Having prosperous flourishing communities burned to the ground. Being redlined and prevented access to funds to build up communities and create long term wealth that their future generations could enjoy.
I’m sorry newyork -/ what country do you want the US to be? China? India? Cuba? Spain?
In the Us a black persons can become President— the ultimate position of power in the WORLD. You can work hard in school and become anything u want to be. Yiu can work in a trade and make a great living for you and your family. Yiu can live in any state any city go to school for free and have access to a quality education. Yiu can vacation anywhere freely. Yiu can speak your voice freely. You should move your arse out to China and make the same complaints! Right. Here you can have a voice— if you said this in China. They’d come look for u! You’re not realizing what u have cuz you’re busy whining about what’s not perfect — guess what. Life Will never be perfect but it WILL and HAS progressively improved. Stop crying newyork— if you feel that bad go offer your services in a minority community. I offer help to churches each year despite being Jewish. Help your community— all I see with these protests are criminalistics people trying to break things down. Like I said people in India don’t have acces to toilets. There’s a tremendous amount of inequality throughout the world — we have it good here— you’re just blinded
You are trying to tell me what’s wrong with the US but you’re forgetting a big issue— what’s right with the US. You’re over dramatizing the current situation and the way you come across no one is gonna listen— we don’t live in a shit bowl country like u r intimating. You’re going overboard.
Why can’t the Us simply take the next step in modernizing police reform and have true legislature on gun control? It’s common sense — these issues protested about concerns police!!!!!!!!!!! Police reform is the next step. I can do nothing about the past. I can’t stop slavery I can stop the Holocaust I can stop pandemics but we can LEARN from history newyork and we can progressively move on. I only bring up the Holocaust when it’s necessary cuz people tend to think their own people are the only ones who had it poor in the past. Not so. There has been inequalities abd wring dojbg in the tire history of the world 400 years in a second of tine.Focus on the positive work on the negative
Briggs, we don't live in sh!t bowl country, but there are people here that are living in the conditions you just described in other countries. Yes, there are owners like Dan Snyder who are worse than James Dolan. Does that mean we ignore Dolan's mistakes and don't try to push for improvement? Or maybe we should say eff it and find another team to root for?
BRIGGS wrote:smackeddog wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:BRIGGS wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:BRIGGS wrote:The point I was trying to make yesterday is that our country is a good country.There are things that have been sensationalized
People are not dying in the streets
Half my family was taken to concentration camps. Tortured starved then gassed. Only my grandpa escaping with his brother— only reason I’m here. 5 of his other brothers and sisters zapped.
Millions of people killed slaughtered.
We don’t have that here— it’s a disgrace to even compare.
We do NOT need looting and anarchy
We need to progressively work through issues—we’ve come a long way to the positive.
We need reasonable reforms
But this sensationalism is too much.
Whether white black chibese Spanish Russian middle eastern
We just need to work it through peacefully. I’m sick of hard line trump supporters. I’m sick of the elitist other side trying to dictate as well. I was hoping for a guy like Mark Cuban to come in— that was my hope cuz he’s got fair common sense both ways.
We just need common sense
This isn’t nazi Germany like its depicted— that’s a gross offensive comparison
You are free in the Us in any color or creed to become President to become a billionaire to go and do what u want.
In many countries these protests would not happen. They’d all be dead. You can do it here but now it’s going beyond reason— it’s criminal
I don’t like radical positions. It’s not fair and it’s not 50-50. We need 50-50 and reasonable minds coming togetherThere are people literally dying in the streets Briggs.
You could make a case that we won't reach the point of a Holocaust or Slavery because people will fight and protest and riot and loot before that could ever even be imagined happening again. It was war that ended Slavery here in America and every single piece of progress that we have achieved here branding America the way it has been branded has been due to the effects of protest, riots, looting and war. Sure I wish that we reached a point in society that we moved past these things but clearly we haven't. People are fed up from everything between racism, wage gap, wage stagnation in comparison to cost of living etc etc...
If you haven't seen it yet, which i'm pretty sure you haven't. Watch the documentary on Kalief Browder on Netlix. In 2010 a 16 yr old kid who was accused of and arrested for stealing a backpack he never stole. He spent 3 years in prison without ever getting a trial before killing himself. Was in solitary confinement for 2 yrs. How would you say his American experience was? But hey, at least it wasn't the Holocaust or Slavery.
This is a good progressive nation newyork. Go take this arguement up in China. We have come a long way in a short period. No people are not dying in the streets ny— that’s sensationalism. This is a great great country— you are free to become all u can be. Dam we’re sitting here talking about the Knicks while people in India have no toilets. Be great full we live here! Take advantage of it!
And what has formed America into a "good progressive nation" has been war, protest, riots & looting creating pressure for progressive legislation. Aubrey, Floyd, & Blake all died in the street. So not sure what you are alluding to when you say "No people are dying in the streets".
Not to mention https://insp.ngo/there-are-literally-...
Yes Briggs compared to other nations we are privileged. Privileged due to the 400 yrs of free labor on the backs of black slaves that died before us to make the country extremely wealthy. When your ancestors escaped their hell which gave you the opportunity to have a new life and the success you have had here. They came to the utopia in comparison forged off the backs of slaves and the oppressed. Which POC would also go out and fight in wars to protect these freedoms, opportunities, and privileges that you and your family who fled here were able to participate in growing up. While being treated like 2nd class citizens when they got back home. Having prosperous flourishing communities burned to the ground. Being redlined and prevented access to funds to build up communities and create long term wealth that their future generations could enjoy.
I honestly really struggle to understand why some people think America is a great and good nation when you read it's history at home and abroad (I'm not attacking them, I'm being genuine, I genuinely don't understand where they're coming from)
If the us sucks so bad I’m sure you are free to move to a country that makes u happy.
Ah, so its a country where you just have to praise it all the time because insecure people can't handle you criticizing anything about it, while pretending one of the things you love about it is freedom of speech and it's tolerance - got it!
Let's expand that logic to everything: you criticize the Knicks? why don't you go be a fan of a different team! Brilliant logic- wouldn't this board be fun!
smackeddog wrote:BRIGGS wrote:smackeddog wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:BRIGGS wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:BRIGGS wrote:The point I was trying to make yesterday is that our country is a good country.There are things that have been sensationalized
People are not dying in the streets
Half my family was taken to concentration camps. Tortured starved then gassed. Only my grandpa escaping with his brother— only reason I’m here. 5 of his other brothers and sisters zapped.
Millions of people killed slaughtered.
We don’t have that here— it’s a disgrace to even compare.
We do NOT need looting and anarchy
We need to progressively work through issues—we’ve come a long way to the positive.
We need reasonable reforms
But this sensationalism is too much.
Whether white black chibese Spanish Russian middle eastern
We just need to work it through peacefully. I’m sick of hard line trump supporters. I’m sick of the elitist other side trying to dictate as well. I was hoping for a guy like Mark Cuban to come in— that was my hope cuz he’s got fair common sense both ways.
We just need common sense
This isn’t nazi Germany like its depicted— that’s a gross offensive comparison
You are free in the Us in any color or creed to become President to become a billionaire to go and do what u want.
In many countries these protests would not happen. They’d all be dead. You can do it here but now it’s going beyond reason— it’s criminal
I don’t like radical positions. It’s not fair and it’s not 50-50. We need 50-50 and reasonable minds coming togetherThere are people literally dying in the streets Briggs.
You could make a case that we won't reach the point of a Holocaust or Slavery because people will fight and protest and riot and loot before that could ever even be imagined happening again. It was war that ended Slavery here in America and every single piece of progress that we have achieved here branding America the way it has been branded has been due to the effects of protest, riots, looting and war. Sure I wish that we reached a point in society that we moved past these things but clearly we haven't. People are fed up from everything between racism, wage gap, wage stagnation in comparison to cost of living etc etc...
If you haven't seen it yet, which i'm pretty sure you haven't. Watch the documentary on Kalief Browder on Netlix. In 2010 a 16 yr old kid who was accused of and arrested for stealing a backpack he never stole. He spent 3 years in prison without ever getting a trial before killing himself. Was in solitary confinement for 2 yrs. How would you say his American experience was? But hey, at least it wasn't the Holocaust or Slavery.
This is a good progressive nation newyork. Go take this arguement up in China. We have come a long way in a short period. No people are not dying in the streets ny— that’s sensationalism. This is a great great country— you are free to become all u can be. Dam we’re sitting here talking about the Knicks while people in India have no toilets. Be great full we live here! Take advantage of it!
And what has formed America into a "good progressive nation" has been war, protest, riots & looting creating pressure for progressive legislation. Aubrey, Floyd, & Blake all died in the street. So not sure what you are alluding to when you say "No people are dying in the streets".
Not to mention https://insp.ngo/there-are-literally-...
Yes Briggs compared to other nations we are privileged. Privileged due to the 400 yrs of free labor on the backs of black slaves that died before us to make the country extremely wealthy. When your ancestors escaped their hell which gave you the opportunity to have a new life and the success you have had here. They came to the utopia in comparison forged off the backs of slaves and the oppressed. Which POC would also go out and fight in wars to protect these freedoms, opportunities, and privileges that you and your family who fled here were able to participate in growing up. While being treated like 2nd class citizens when they got back home. Having prosperous flourishing communities burned to the ground. Being redlined and prevented access to funds to build up communities and create long term wealth that their future generations could enjoy.
I honestly really struggle to understand why some people think America is a great and good nation when you read it's history at home and abroad (I'm not attacking them, I'm being genuine, I genuinely don't understand where they're coming from)
If the us sucks so bad I’m sure you are free to move to a country that makes u happy.
Ah, so its a country where you just have to praise it all the time because insecure people can't handle you criticizing anything about it, while pretending one of the things you love about it is freedom of speech and it's tolerance - got it!
Let's expand that logic to everything: you criticize the Knicks? why don't you go be a fan of a different team! Brilliant logic- wouldn't this board be fun!
The United States is a good country. I never said it was without issue— in fact I did. We live in an imperfect world inequality is abound. The Us for the most part is a much better country than most. If someone hates it that much— why would they stay?
BRIGGS wrote:smackeddog wrote:BRIGGS wrote:smackeddog wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:BRIGGS wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:BRIGGS wrote:The point I was trying to make yesterday is that our country is a good country.There are things that have been sensationalized
People are not dying in the streets
Half my family was taken to concentration camps. Tortured starved then gassed. Only my grandpa escaping with his brother— only reason I’m here. 5 of his other brothers and sisters zapped.
Millions of people killed slaughtered.
We don’t have that here— it’s a disgrace to even compare.
We do NOT need looting and anarchy
We need to progressively work through issues—we’ve come a long way to the positive.
We need reasonable reforms
But this sensationalism is too much.
Whether white black chibese Spanish Russian middle eastern
We just need to work it through peacefully. I’m sick of hard line trump supporters. I’m sick of the elitist other side trying to dictate as well. I was hoping for a guy like Mark Cuban to come in— that was my hope cuz he’s got fair common sense both ways.
We just need common sense
This isn’t nazi Germany like its depicted— that’s a gross offensive comparison
You are free in the Us in any color or creed to become President to become a billionaire to go and do what u want.
In many countries these protests would not happen. They’d all be dead. You can do it here but now it’s going beyond reason— it’s criminal
I don’t like radical positions. It’s not fair and it’s not 50-50. We need 50-50 and reasonable minds coming togetherThere are people literally dying in the streets Briggs.
You could make a case that we won't reach the point of a Holocaust or Slavery because people will fight and protest and riot and loot before that could ever even be imagined happening again. It was war that ended Slavery here in America and every single piece of progress that we have achieved here branding America the way it has been branded has been due to the effects of protest, riots, looting and war. Sure I wish that we reached a point in society that we moved past these things but clearly we haven't. People are fed up from everything between racism, wage gap, wage stagnation in comparison to cost of living etc etc...
If you haven't seen it yet, which i'm pretty sure you haven't. Watch the documentary on Kalief Browder on Netlix. In 2010 a 16 yr old kid who was accused of and arrested for stealing a backpack he never stole. He spent 3 years in prison without ever getting a trial before killing himself. Was in solitary confinement for 2 yrs. How would you say his American experience was? But hey, at least it wasn't the Holocaust or Slavery.
This is a good progressive nation newyork. Go take this arguement up in China. We have come a long way in a short period. No people are not dying in the streets ny— that’s sensationalism. This is a great great country— you are free to become all u can be. Dam we’re sitting here talking about the Knicks while people in India have no toilets. Be great full we live here! Take advantage of it!
And what has formed America into a "good progressive nation" has been war, protest, riots & looting creating pressure for progressive legislation. Aubrey, Floyd, & Blake all died in the street. So not sure what you are alluding to when you say "No people are dying in the streets".
Not to mention https://insp.ngo/there-are-literally-...
Yes Briggs compared to other nations we are privileged. Privileged due to the 400 yrs of free labor on the backs of black slaves that died before us to make the country extremely wealthy. When your ancestors escaped their hell which gave you the opportunity to have a new life and the success you have had here. They came to the utopia in comparison forged off the backs of slaves and the oppressed. Which POC would also go out and fight in wars to protect these freedoms, opportunities, and privileges that you and your family who fled here were able to participate in growing up. While being treated like 2nd class citizens when they got back home. Having prosperous flourishing communities burned to the ground. Being redlined and prevented access to funds to build up communities and create long term wealth that their future generations could enjoy.
I honestly really struggle to understand why some people think America is a great and good nation when you read it's history at home and abroad (I'm not attacking them, I'm being genuine, I genuinely don't understand where they're coming from)
If the us sucks so bad I’m sure you are free to move to a country that makes u happy.
Ah, so its a country where you just have to praise it all the time because insecure people can't handle you criticizing anything about it, while pretending one of the things you love about it is freedom of speech and it's tolerance - got it!
Let's expand that logic to everything: you criticize the Knicks? why don't you go be a fan of a different team! Brilliant logic- wouldn't this board be fun!
The United States is a good country. I never said it was without issue— in fact I did. We live in an imperfect world inequality is abound. The Us for the most part is a much better country than most. If someone hates it that much— why would they stay?
Hate it so much? I said I didn't get why people think it's so great and good when you take into account it's history at home and abroad. I'm indifferent, I like the people I connect with, a lot of people I've met, I think the politics largely suck and it has a bad historical record with some good in it. Foreign policy has done a lot of bad (mainly due to corrupt and amoral politicians and state officials in secret). But then most other countries do likewise. Politics tends to attract psychopaths, corrupt people and liars with little empathy for others. This isn't a particularly controversial take, and I have no idea why you take it so personally. It's like you criticizing the last 20 years of the Knicks management and me responding with "why don't you go root for another team?", it's an odd response.
He talks about oppression while he is financed by Chinese slave labor. He sits in a 50 mm dollar house telling us what’s wrong while people who earn .14 an hour put his sneakers together all day every day.
Athletes should really just play sports and help out in the community. They are Unapologetically hypocritical
When the Gm of Houston said something negative about China that was true. LeBron didn’t back him. In fact he went the other way and criticized Morey only because it would effect his pocket book
F u LeBron quit all u want.Watch what happens to fans
BRIGGS wrote:LeBron James what a f hypocriteHe talks about oppression while he is financed by Chinese slave labor. He sits in a 50 mm dollar house telling us what’s wrong while people who earn .14 an hour put his sneakers together all day every day.
Athletes should really just play sports and help out in the community. They are Unapologetically hypocriticalWhen the Gm of Houston said something negative about China that was true. LeBron didn’t back him. In fact he went the other way and criticized Morey only because it would effect his pocket book
F u LeBron quit all u want.Watch what happens to fans
LeBron is a hypocrite, I agree. Just like you, he refused to acknowledge and see an issue that didn't affect him directly.
BigDaddyG wrote:BRIGGS wrote:LeBron James what a f hypocriteHe talks about oppression while he is financed by Chinese slave labor. He sits in a 50 mm dollar house telling us what’s wrong while people who earn .14 an hour put his sneakers together all day every day.
Athletes should really just play sports and help out in the community. They are Unapologetically hypocriticalWhen the Gm of Houston said something negative about China that was true. LeBron didn’t back him. In fact he went the other way and criticized Morey only because it would effect his pocket book
F u LeBron quit all u want.Watch what happens to fans
LeBron is a hypocrite, I agree. Just like you, he refused to acknowledge and see an issue that didn't affect him directly.
Big— Actually I’m hardcore against “Made in China”. I’m all for “Made in the USA” and I’m all in on rising American wages and higher minimum wages. I’m for anyone in the US to live a decent life and for those who are sick and can’t — I’m for taking care of that population the right way. Nope big—I’m totally against oppression. LeBron is a hypocrite of worst kind
The only way for me to show support for foreign slave labor or oppression is to ignore the products they produce. That’s my only avenue.
If you have a problem seeing this viewpoint, it sounds a lot like Trump and his supporters doesn't it? "He's achieved so much and is wealthy - it doesn't matter so much if he stepped on the little people or committed financial crimes because you have to do these things to become wealthy and successful like him..." I think it really does matter.
America really is like Trump and that's why our country is probably so divided! Can we acknowledge our injustices while we also pat ourselves on the back for accomplishing so much? Guess it depends if can be real about "how" we accomplished these things? When we can't be real and honest with ourselves - only option left is to justify or rationalize our actions/behaviors.
The capacity to see things from a different viewpoint is essential to growth.
Making mistakes and learning from them makes growth possible - we just can't seem to own ours so we can recognize the errors that need to be corrected.
The ability to see the world as slightly grey instead of black or white is also pretty important to enacting change.
EwingsGlass wrote:https://www.upworthy.com/amp/penzeys-spi...Honestly, people are focusing on the micro-issues instead of the macro-issues. Penzey’s owner’s response in Kenosha is a counter-point to the looting as well. He is donating the contents of his store to charity to contest the point that he’d care more about looting than social justice if he was looted.
Stop distracting the issue with individual behavior. It is distracting, for sure. But I believe that emotionally intelligent people can see past the ugly portions of this to see what it really is. It’s all outrage against the systemic issue. And the outrage is warranted regardless of whether you agree or disagree with the way that outrage is exhibited.
They say don’t kneel. Don’t wear shirts. Don’t boycott. Don’t protest peacibly. Don’t riot. Don’t loot. At some point you have to ask yourself what method of demonstrating this outrage is acceptable to you? My answer to you is - I don’t really give a f—— what you want people to do. Or what is economically sensible. All I want is for people like you to decide that it is time to listen and understand the issues. So far, these emotional barriers to admitting racism exists makes you blind to all forms of protest and demonstration.
Shooting is worse than looting. Kneeling during the anthem is better than kneeling on someone’s neck. How are people still blind to this? When you stop arguing against, it is cathartic. You can take a step back and think - holy crap, how did I miss that entire systemic racism thing....
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Uptown wrote:TripleThreat wrote:smackeddog wrote:knicks1248 wrote:what does this accomplish ?What does doing nothing accomplish? People at the time would have said the same thing to Rosa Parks. At least they're trying to do something. Cast a stone into a pond and you never know where the ripples will reach.
Civil right leaders of that time chose Rosa Parks because she fit the optics of the situation. They could have easily backed Claudette Colvin but Parks was a known entity to the movement.
I generally do not ride the line political, but this has all become an actual NBA issue.
Jacob Blake, unlike Rosa Parks, does not fit any kind of practical fit for the optics around this situation. He has a previous criminal record. Including assault, drunk driving, domestic violence and sexual assault. Also the NBPA needs every team and every player to stop playing. Have they gotten that compliance? Remains to be seen. The other problem is the player are demanding change but have no and have given no clear definable goals. The legal system can't just convict a bunch of cops this soon after the Blake incident. The Rosa Parks situation was very clear. While it served a larger issue, the core issue was letting black people have equal rights on buses. It was a small controlled step towards pushing for larger change. The NBPA has no clear goal here. They are just shouting "Things need to change!" What things? These are things out of their control and that the NBA at large cannot control. We want black teachers hired in proportion to black students in X state. That's an actual goal in mind. That's giving the brands, the networks and the owners and league at large something to work around. Whether outrage is actually seen as good or bad, it's useless without a specific point. Don't keep shooting black people is not a practical demand. It may be a larger end goal in mind, but like Rosa Parks and buses, there must be some smaller controlled steps involved here.
You can argue all day about whether the NBA players are doing the right thing here, but this is a very very very curious case to make a stand behind. ( I'm calling the players actions stupid on this level. ) The NBPA could have waited for someone who was a school teacher and a former veteran in good standing who had no criminal record. They could have waited for anyone with a better optics situation than Blake. From a PR standpoint, this is actually worse than The Decision. I didn't think it was possible for a self inflicted PR nightmare worse than The Decision and Malice In The Palace, but these modern players have found a way.
Let's look at the practical fallout
1) Many people have already lost their jobs because of the pandemic that either directly related to the NBA or were indirectly benefited by it. More people will lose their jobs. Regular working stiffs.
2) If no one plays and the league cancels the season, the league will be in violation of their TV contracts. Since these teams are getting no gate revenue and the bubble was it's own massive expenditure, this is pretty bad. Now the networks are going to be in default with advertisers/sponsors, etc for these lost games. If the league loses it's TV contracts or they are torn up and reworked in a more punitive level, the BRI will collapse.
Canceling all games today was not an appeasement to make the players happy, it was an attempt to salvage this TV contract. The players aren't going to do this without talking to the NBPA, so now the league will be at war with the NBPA over this in private, so this could all lead to a future lockout.
Your post, especially the bolded is insensitive, lacks empathy, and is offensive! Not one time in your post do address the sickness of systemic racism running rampart through this country or the issue of police officers killing unarmed black men, women and children. The bolded shows a complete disregard to Black Lives. So, we are to sit back and allow black bodies to pile up and the widows and children are supposed to sift through their dead loved ones in search of a teacher or a doctor to hinge our protest or agenda too?! How insensitive does this sound?! Any black man, woman or child is disposable and we shoudn't bat an eye if they are killed by a police officer, who swore to protect and serve, if they have been arrested or suspended from school at point in their lives?!
Breonna Taylor, a black women, who was a medical technician, was killed while she slept by police officers who have yet to be charged! Is she good enough?!
Thank You! Well said !!!