Is there a reason that he waited so long to get the surgery?
wargames wrote:Is there a reason that he waited so long to get the surgery?
To shake his fist at Phil Jackson,
Could this be a bi-annual end of season maintenance ritual for KP? And thats not even the ACL treated knee! Bulking up the upper body that is being supported by a questionable lower extremity is not a pretty good plan to prepare for a long NBA career.
I can just imagine how badly our FO would have been roasted right now if his 5-year max contract was on OUR books. Probably even worse than for "only" getting DSJr, picks and whiffed cap space for him.
ESOMKnicks wrote:I can just imagine how badly our FO would have been roasted right now if his 5-year max contract was on OUR books. Probably even worse than for "only" getting DSJr, picks and whiffed cap space for him.
I think trading KP wasn’t the problem but the return was. But ultimately we can’t judge until we see what happens with the 2 draft picks we got.
ESOMKnicks wrote:I can just imagine how badly our FO would have been roasted right now if his 5-year max contract was on OUR books. Probably even worse than for "only" getting DSJr, picks and whiffed cap space for him.
Agree about the reaction if we maxed out KP. Disagree about whiffing on cap space. Perry made a point of signing players to short term deals. Randle was the longest, at 3 years. Not counting barrett.
Rose is going to have a lot of cap room to maneuver, thanks to Perry.
Knixkik wrote:ESOMKnicks wrote:I can just imagine how badly our FO would have been roasted right now if his 5-year max contract was on OUR books. Probably even worse than for "only" getting DSJr, picks and whiffed cap space for him.
I think trading KP wasn’t the problem but the return was. But ultimately we can’t judge until we see what happens with the 2 draft picks we got.
Still have that cap room. Jury still out on DSJr. Teams were concerned precisely about this very situation. Including the Mavs, but we still got cap room, 1st round picks, etc..
Seeing how we dodged a bullet, got a decent haul for a player who cant stay healthy. Who was about to be maxed out. Dont see anything to complain about.
GustavBahler wrote:Knixkik wrote:ESOMKnicks wrote:I can just imagine how badly our FO would have been roasted right now if his 5-year max contract was on OUR books. Probably even worse than for "only" getting DSJr, picks and whiffed cap space for him.
I think trading KP wasn’t the problem but the return was. But ultimately we can’t judge until we see what happens with the 2 draft picks we got.
Still have that cap room. Jury still out on DSJr. Teams were concerned precisely about this very situation. Including the Mavs, but we still got cap room, 1st round picks, etc..
Seeing how we dodged a bullet, got a decent haul for a player who cant stay healthy. Who was about to be maxed out. Dont see anything to complain about.
And yet the Knicks are still raked through the coals for this as well as not signing KD and Kyrie who are doing a hell of a job in Netsville. Three max players with varying concerns (injuries, age, behavior, mental health) at top dollar and the only peep you hear from media is that the Knicks blew it.
KnickDanger wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Knixkik wrote:ESOMKnicks wrote:I can just imagine how badly our FO would have been roasted right now if his 5-year max contract was on OUR books. Probably even worse than for "only" getting DSJr, picks and whiffed cap space for him.
I think trading KP wasn’t the problem but the return was. But ultimately we can’t judge until we see what happens with the 2 draft picks we got.
Still have that cap room. Jury still out on DSJr. Teams were concerned precisely about this very situation. Including the Mavs, but we still got cap room, 1st round picks, etc..
Seeing how we dodged a bullet, got a decent haul for a player who cant stay healthy. Who was about to be maxed out. Dont see anything to complain about.
And yet the Knicks are still raked through the coals for this as well as not signing KD and Kyrie who are doing a hell of a job in Netsville. Three max players with varying concerns (injuries, age, behavior, mental health) at top dollar and the only peep you hear from media is that the Knicks blew it.
The Knicks (and Dolan and the FO) have been MSM punching bags forever. Someday a sportwriter will come along and point out, in honest retrospect, that the Knicks (since Phil Jackson) HAVE been turning it around and usually smartly.
Unllike the MSM...
Phil was right about (our most disingenuous -cough- superstar) Melo.
Phil was right about K[ra]P.
Knicks were right to trade Melo.
Knicks were right to trade KP
Knicks were right not to sign Durant and whozit
Knicks were smart to rid themselves of Fizdale after making the mistake of hiring him in the first place)
It could have been much worse AND we are far better off.
fwk00 wrote:KnickDanger wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Knixkik wrote:ESOMKnicks wrote:I can just imagine how badly our FO would have been roasted right now if his 5-year max contract was on OUR books. Probably even worse than for "only" getting DSJr, picks and whiffed cap space for him.
I think trading KP wasn’t the problem but the return was. But ultimately we can’t judge until we see what happens with the 2 draft picks we got.
Still have that cap room. Jury still out on DSJr. Teams were concerned precisely about this very situation. Including the Mavs, but we still got cap room, 1st round picks, etc..
Seeing how we dodged a bullet, got a decent haul for a player who cant stay healthy. Who was about to be maxed out. Dont see anything to complain about.
And yet the Knicks are still raked through the coals for this as well as not signing KD and Kyrie who are doing a hell of a job in Netsville. Three max players with varying concerns (injuries, age, behavior, mental health) at top dollar and the only peep you hear from media is that the Knicks blew it.
The Knicks (and Dolan and the FO) have been MSM punching bags forever. Someday a sportwriter will come along and point out, in honest retrospect, that the Knicks (since Phil Jackson) HAVE been turning it around and usually smartly.
Unllike the MSM...
Phil was right about (our most disingenuous -cough- superstar) Melo.
Phil was right about K[ra]P.
Knicks were right to trade Melo.
Knicks were right to trade KP
Knicks were right not to sign Durant and whozit
Knicks were smart to rid themselves of Fizdale after making the mistake of hiring him in the first place)
It could have been much worse AND we are far better off.
You forgot "Phil shouldnt have signed Melo to a near max deal, an NTC, and a trade kicker."
Phil might have been right about trading KP, but he wanted another injury prone big, who wasnt as skilled.
GustavBahler wrote:fwk00 wrote:KnickDanger wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Knixkik wrote:ESOMKnicks wrote:I can just imagine how badly our FO would have been roasted right now if his 5-year max contract was on OUR books. Probably even worse than for "only" getting DSJr, picks and whiffed cap space for him.
I think trading KP wasn’t the problem but the return was. But ultimately we can’t judge until we see what happens with the 2 draft picks we got.
Still have that cap room. Jury still out on DSJr. Teams were concerned precisely about this very situation. Including the Mavs, but we still got cap room, 1st round picks, etc..
Seeing how we dodged a bullet, got a decent haul for a player who cant stay healthy. Who was about to be maxed out. Dont see anything to complain about.
And yet the Knicks are still raked through the coals for this as well as not signing KD and Kyrie who are doing a hell of a job in Netsville. Three max players with varying concerns (injuries, age, behavior, mental health) at top dollar and the only peep you hear from media is that the Knicks blew it.
The Knicks (and Dolan and the FO) have been MSM punching bags forever. Someday a sportwriter will come along and point out, in honest retrospect, that the Knicks (since Phil Jackson) HAVE been turning it around and usually smartly.
Unllike the MSM...
Phil was right about (our most disingenuous -cough- superstar) Melo.
Phil was right about K[ra]P.
Knicks were right to trade Melo.
Knicks were right to trade KP
Knicks were right not to sign Durant and whozit
Knicks were smart to rid themselves of Fizdale after making the mistake of hiring him in the first place)
It could have been much worse AND we are far better off.
You forgot "Phil shouldnt have signed Melo to a near max deal, an NTC, and a trade kicker."
Phil might have been right about trading KP, but he wanted another injury prone big, who wasnt as skilled.
Looks like Phil should have tried to trade Melo to the Bulls for Butler before he became Butler 
could have gotten their draft picks as well(Gary Harris) at the time.
fwk00 wrote:KnickDanger wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Knixkik wrote:ESOMKnicks wrote:I can just imagine how badly our FO would have been roasted right now if his 5-year max contract was on OUR books. Probably even worse than for "only" getting DSJr, picks and whiffed cap space for him.
I think trading KP wasn’t the problem but the return was. But ultimately we can’t judge until we see what happens with the 2 draft picks we got.
Still have that cap room. Jury still out on DSJr. Teams were concerned precisely about this very situation. Including the Mavs, but we still got cap room, 1st round picks, etc..
Seeing how we dodged a bullet, got a decent haul for a player who cant stay healthy. Who was about to be maxed out. Dont see anything to complain about.
And yet the Knicks are still raked through the coals for this as well as not signing KD and Kyrie who are doing a hell of a job in Netsville. Three max players with varying concerns (injuries, age, behavior, mental health) at top dollar and the only peep you hear from media is that the Knicks blew it.
The Knicks (and Dolan and the FO) have been MSM punching bags forever. Someday a sportwriter will come along and point out, in honest retrospect, that the Knicks (since Phil Jackson) HAVE been turning it around and usually smartly.
Unllike the MSM...
Phil was right about (our most disingenuous -cough- superstar) Melo.
Phil was right about K[ra]P.
Knicks were right to trade Melo.
Knicks were right to trade KP
Knicks were right not to sign Durant and whozit
Knicks were smart to rid themselves of Fizdale after making the mistake of hiring him in the first place)
It could have been much worse AND we are far better off.
Sorry, that doesn't fit "the narrative."
GustavBahler wrote:ESOMKnicks wrote:I can just imagine how badly our FO would have been roasted right now if his 5-year max contract was on OUR books. Probably even worse than for "only" getting DSJr, picks and whiffed cap space for him.
Agree about the reaction if we maxed out KP. Disagree about whiffing on cap space. Perry made a point of signing players to short term deals. Randle was the longest, at 3 years. Not counting barrett.
Rose is going to have a lot of cap room to maneuver, thanks to Perry.
You are right, of course. By "whiffed" I meant not used cap space to sign two superstars that summer, like everyone thought we would (us dodging the bullet on KI and KD is a different matter). But once it became clear no prime time superstars were coming, our FO followed the correct strategy of sticking to short term contracts. I am glad we did not hand out long term maxes to more marginal stars like Kemba, Middleton or Tobias Harris.
Knixkik wrote:ESOMKnicks wrote:I can just imagine how badly our FO would have been roasted right now if his 5-year max contract was on OUR books. Probably even worse than for "only" getting DSJr, picks and whiffed cap space for him.
I think trading KP wasn’t the problem but the return was. But ultimately we can’t judge until we see what happens with the 2 draft picks we got.
The Celtics offered us Jaylon Brown and picks in 2017
KnickDanger wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Knixkik wrote:ESOMKnicks wrote:I can just imagine how badly our FO would have been roasted right now if his 5-year max contract was on OUR books. Probably even worse than for "only" getting DSJr, picks and whiffed cap space for him.
I think trading KP wasn’t the problem but the return was. But ultimately we can’t judge until we see what happens with the 2 draft picks we got.
Still have that cap room. Jury still out on DSJr. Teams were concerned precisely about this very situation. Including the Mavs, but we still got cap room, 1st round picks, etc..
Seeing how we dodged a bullet, got a decent haul for a player who cant stay healthy. Who was about to be maxed out. Dont see anything to complain about.
And yet the Knicks are still raked through the coals for this as well as not signing KD and Kyrie who are doing a hell of a job in Netsville. Three max players with varying concerns (injuries, age, behavior, mental health) at top dollar and the only peep you hear from media is that the Knicks blew it.
The media hates the Knicks. Most of them are fair weather bulls fans from the 90s
fwk00 wrote:KnickDanger wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Knixkik wrote:ESOMKnicks wrote:I can just imagine how badly our FO would have been roasted right now if his 5-year max contract was on OUR books. Probably even worse than for "only" getting DSJr, picks and whiffed cap space for him.
I think trading KP wasn’t the problem but the return was. But ultimately we can’t judge until we see what happens with the 2 draft picks we got.
Still have that cap room. Jury still out on DSJr. Teams were concerned precisely about this very situation. Including the Mavs, but we still got cap room, 1st round picks, etc..
Seeing how we dodged a bullet, got a decent haul for a player who cant stay healthy. Who was about to be maxed out. Dont see anything to complain about.
And yet the Knicks are still raked through the coals for this as well as not signing KD and Kyrie who are doing a hell of a job in Netsville. Three max players with varying concerns (injuries, age, behavior, mental health) at top dollar and the only peep you hear from media is that the Knicks blew it.
The Knicks (and Dolan and the FO) have been MSM punching bags forever. Someday a sportwriter will come along and point out, in honest retrospect, that the Knicks (since Phil Jackson) HAVE been turning it around and usually smartly.
Unllike the MSM...
Phil was right about (our most disingenuous -cough- superstar) Melo.
Phil was right about K[ra]P.
Knicks were right to trade Melo.
Knicks were right to trade KP
Knicks were right not to sign Durant and whozit
Knicks were smart to rid themselves of Fizdale after making the mistake of hiring him in the first place)
It could have been much worse AND we are far better off.
agree on all points. Don’t be shocked if one of the picks we got for Porzingis is a lottery pick
35 Over/under on games Porzingis plays this year
Philc1 wrote:35 Over/under on games Porzingis plays this year
This compressed season? I’ll take the under.
Philc1 wrote:35 Over/under on games Porzingis plays this year
So they target January 1st for KP to start "on court activity." Figure that gets pushed back and then his return is pushed back. So maybe he plays in February then misses 1 out of every 3 or 4 games. Then misses 3 weeks before coming back for the playoffs. Plays 2 games of their first round elimination. 35 games seems like a great ballpark guess. Put me down for under -- he plays 34.
