Let's say Kira Lewis or Cole Anthony is available in the middle of the draft 15-18 range. Would you move up from 27 using next year's Dallas pick by making the dallas pick lottery protected? If in the unlikely situation Dallas misses the playoffs next year than the pick carries over to the 2023 one. Draft Vassell (or Nesmith) with 8 and either Anthony or Lewis with a middle round pick and jump-start the rebuild by having the back-court of the future in place. And still have the 38th pick too.
C Robinson
PF Stretch 4
SF Barrett
SG Vassell
PG Anthony or Lewis
While grabbing Conley or another vet PG to mentor our rookie PG and playing Frank more at the wing. Thoughts?
No, the 2021 draft is too strong
I would put the 2023 top 10 protected draft pick in that trade
wargames wrote:No, the 2021 draft is too strong I would put the 2023 top 10 protected draft pick in that trade
The 2021 draft is stronger at the top no question, but this draft is relatively strong in the middle. You may not find a Lewis or Anthony level talent in the 15-20 range next year.
Knixkik wrote:wargames wrote:No, the 2021 draft is too strong I would put the 2023 top 10 protected draft pick in that trade
The 2021 draft is stronger at the top no question, but this draft is relatively strong in the middle. You may not find a Lewis or Anthony level talent in the 15-20 range next year.
I disagree I think the 2021 is stronger overall,
You could probably just use cash and the rights to Issuf Sanon along with 27 to move up into the 15-20 range.
ccinflushing wrote:You could probably just use cash and the rights to Issuf Sanon along with 27 to move up into the 15-20 range.
If it were that easy, sign me up, but based on history it usually costs much more.
In terms of trades the last couple of years:
Philly used #24 and 33 to move up 4 spots to 20.
Memphis used a 2nd round pick to move up from 23 to 21.
Phoenix used 16 and a future first round pick to move up to 10.
That's the last 2 years so not many comparable. Just need to decide what the value of moving up approx 10 slots in the draft is.
The big deal for a while was the Sixers' "process" (tanking) but it looks like the Celtics had the right idea -- smart trades and accumulating #1's. Of course there is no guarantee and is probably unlikely that the Mavs pick will be low -- but KP is already flimsy and if anything (God forbid) should happen to Luka....
Another option would be taking on a contract to move up. For example, maybe trading DSJ and 27 to Minnesota for 17 and James Johnson. Johnson's contract would will be 15 mil for this final season, so it would basically be eating into about 11 mil in cap space to move up 10 slots in the draft. Minnesota is in the process of selling and probably a small price to pay to save some money. Just an idea.
You do it if you are in love with whoever is there the way the Spurs were in love with Kawhi
martin wrote:You do it if you are in love with whoever is there the way the Spurs were in love with Kawhi
Exactly. I'm guessing Anthony, Lewis, and Maxey are high on the list, but just not at 8.
Knixkik wrote:martin wrote:You do it if you are in love with whoever is there the way the Spurs were in love with Kawhi
Exactly. I'm guessing Anthony, Lewis, and Maxey are high on the list, but just not at 8.
And you put top 4 protection on the pick
Knixkik wrote:ccinflushing wrote:You could probably just use cash and the rights to Issuf Sanon along with 27 to move up into the 15-20 range.
If it were that easy, sign me up, but based on history it usually costs much more.
I can see cash being a more attractive asset than late first round picks for a number of teams - Denver, Minnesota, Boston - given the current environment, as opposed to the last couple of years. Philly also would be sellers of second round draft picks. Walt Perrin, I think, said he saw a lot of parity between picks 15-40, so that may impacts teams willingness to deal.
Yeah, who knows
not touching any of next year's draft assets unless its for a foundational building block in his prime which is the kind of deal we will surely phuck up so pass
I'd say yes, if it's a player you really think will succeed.
If the Knicks see a player they ranked in their top 10 fall into the teens or later, it behooves them to try to trade and get the player based on how they value the player's outcome, outside of slot value.
(I happen to like Anthony and am optimistic he'll be a better pro than his injury hampered college year)
The hard thing for teams is managing the delta between perceived value for a pick # vs the actual outcome of a player.
Donovan Mitchell was not perceived to be a top 12 player in his draft. But he's clearly among the best performers in the actual outcome. If the Celtics had picked him #1 overall (ahead of Fultz, Ball, and Tatum), they would have been universally panned for the choice. Heck, they were panned for making their risky trade, but with LA locked in on Ball... they still got the player they wanted.
(If he had wanted Mitchell instead of Tatum, Danny Ainge still probably would have traded back and tried to extract as much value for the #1 overall pick... I don't think he would have waited for the #13 pick to happen)
Alas, orchestrating trades with a wide gap (more than 1 or 2 spots) incurs a bit of risk.
Once you get into the mid-teens and later in the draft, it becomes a crapshoot as to who will be available.
Nope. No more trading away 1st round picks please.
Knixkik wrote: Would you move up from 27 using next year's Dallas pick by making the dallas pick lottery protected? If in the unlikely situation Dallas misses the playoffs next year than the pick carries over to the 2023 one.
Depends on who was still on the board. Not likely. Never say never though.
A more practical move would be for the Westchester Knicks to start stockpiling draft picks. If the college basketball game collapses, plus the change in age requirement for the NBA, plus foreign teams not being a stable option in the pandemic, you could potentially see some guys entering the G League who offer a ton of upside.
NYKBocker wrote:Nope. No more trading away 1st round picks please.
Well we are talking about using a surplus in picks to acquire players we want to draft this year. I think that's a little different.
Knixkik wrote:NYKBocker wrote:Nope. No more trading away 1st round picks please.
Well we are talking about using a surplus in picks to acquire players we want to draft this year. I think that's a little different.
I don't think so. These picks could end up being lottery picks. Need to keep every first round pick we have no matter how we got it.
Knixkik wrote:Let's say Kira Lewis or Cole Anthony is available in the middle of the draft 15-18 range. Would you move up from 27 using next year's Dallas pick by making the dallas pick lottery protected? If in the unlikely situation Dallas misses the playoffs next year than the pick carries over to the 2023 one. Draft Vassell (or Nesmith) with 8 and either Anthony or Lewis with a middle round pick and jump-start the rebuild by having the back-court of the future in place. And still have the 38th pick too. C Robinson
PF Stretch 4
SF Barrett
SG Vassell
PG Anthony or Lewis
While grabbing Conley or another vet PG to mentor our rookie PG and playing Frank more at the wing. Thoughts?
Would not do that. Guess the question would be why you think Lewis and Anthony is that much better than who would be available at the 27 and worth giving up a pick for? For instance, I am hoping we pick Stanley at 27, who I think is better than either Lewis or Anthony. Same can be said about Ransey and Williams who seem to be slotted in that range. Imo, giving up a draft pick in a year where players are so close in talent level is bad use of your assets.
