I think we have to consider that the Knicks primary targets will be good corner 3pt shooters. I’m not going to put all the numbers here but just going to throw some names out. First for the Knicks, Barrett and Ntilikina were both pretty good in that regard. I expect Barrett to do a lot of the playmaking, but if frank establishes himself as a solid catch and shoot player from the corners then then it bodes well for his future as a rotation player here. He’s probably not going to be a playmaking pg but that 3&D combo guard role is needed.
As far as free agents, a couple former knicks really stand out; Galloway and Justin Holiday we’re both very good in terms of % and volume. They seem to fit that category of role players who fit better around the current core group. Predictably Joe Harris was good. Bertans didn’t have as much volume but I feel his extreme floor stretching ability makes him more effective on the wings. Same with Gallinari, not a lot of volume there. Patrick Patterson is an interesting player. He makes a lot of catch and shoot corner threes at a good rate. He’s a classic stretch 4 who played at Kentucky and can probably be had for cheap. A lot of reasons he could be signed. So all in all I’d say Patterson, Galloway and holiday really stand out as far as gettable role players who fit the criteria of what thibs and rose are trying to accomplish.
That’s why Vassell and Nesmith are being projected to us. Thibs will want 3 and D
Philc1 wrote:That’s why Vassell and Nesmith are being projected to us. Thibs will want 3 and D
I haven’t seen one single Nesmith/Knicks projection. Where are you getting this info?
Philc1 wrote:That’s why Vassell and Nesmith are being projected to us. Thibs will want 3 and D
Vassell definitely is most of anyone. The CAA connection adds some extra juice. Nesmith is a very good prospect in his own right but is currently considered more of a mid 1st round player right now.
BRIGGS wrote:https://www.google.com/search?q=nesmith+...
No doubt, great all around shooter. I just wish we had more than 14 games of a sample this year. Last year he didn’t shoot the ball great so we are assuming 14 games of shooting out of his mind is who he is.
Knixkik wrote:Philc1 wrote:That’s why Vassell and Nesmith are being projected to us. Thibs will want 3 and D
Vassell definitely is most of anyone. The CAA connection adds some extra juice. Nesmith is a very good prospect in his own right but is currently considered more of a mid 1st round player right now.
The CAA connection is the main reason.
Knixkik wrote:BRIGGS wrote:https://www.google.com/search?q=nesmith+...
No doubt, great all around shooter. I just wish we had more than 14 games of a sample this year. Last year he didn’t shoot the ball great so we are assuming 14 games of shooting out of his mind is who he is.
I think that's the reason why he is ranked so low. I'm with briggs on the nesmith bandwagon. He has good tools together with his great shot making. Thibs and staff can fix those other areas of improvement. He had a good coach who played in the nba, coached in the nba and won in the g league in stackhouse, if he puts a good word for nesmith we should seriously consider
I have mixed feelings about corner threes other than in select situations. Guy parked in the corner is doing little to contribute to the offensive flow and his defender has a better ability to contribute in some positive way as the play is still in front of him. I appreciate it works for teams like Bucks and Rockets where they have a dominant driver and when they kick out they're playing 4 on 3 and they generate more open 3s from the corner, but if anything I'm seeing more of a movement of away from the corner and not necessarily hugging the line
also i am no expert on Thibs but i have never thought of him as loving 3s and have thought of him more as attack the rim, draw fouls type (which better suits RJ FWIW)
Chandler wrote:
I have mixed feelings about corner threes other than in select situations. Guy parked in the corner is doing little to contribute to the offensive flow and his defender has a better ability to contribute in some positive way as the play is still in front of him. I appreciate it works for teams like Bucks and Rockets where they have a dominant driver and when they kick out they're playing 4 on 3 and they generate more open 3s from the corner, but if anything I'm seeing more of a movement of away from the corner and not necessarily hugging the linealso i am no expert on Thibs but i have never thought of him as loving 3s and have thought of him more as attack the rim, draw fouls type (which better suits RJ FWIW)
The corner 3 is so valuable to the offense because it pulls the defenders away from the helpside. The hope is that RJ, who's best attributes are getting to the basket and passing, will benefit most from an offense built this way.
Knixkik wrote:Chandler wrote:
I have mixed feelings about corner threes other than in select situations. Guy parked in the corner is doing little to contribute to the offensive flow and his defender has a better ability to contribute in some positive way as the play is still in front of him. I appreciate it works for teams like Bucks and Rockets where they have a dominant driver and when they kick out they're playing 4 on 3 and they generate more open 3s from the corner, but if anything I'm seeing more of a movement of away from the corner and not necessarily hugging the linealso i am no expert on Thibs but i have never thought of him as loving 3s and have thought of him more as attack the rim, draw fouls type (which better suits RJ FWIW)
The corner 3 is so valuable to the offense because it pulls the defenders away from the helpside. The hope is that RJ, who's best attributes are getting to the basket and passing, will benefit most from an offense built this way.
true but at a cost. E.g., if your guys are stuck in the corner, they're not helping with flow, and there is going to be more imbalance transitioning to defense. Think of all those situations where there's a guy in the corner but someone else further out takes a shot and misses. you've handicapped your team's transition defense. So where's net benefit? And while the defender is being pulled away the play is still more in "front of him" than it is in other situations where 3 point shooting helps with spacing. And the defender in many ways is taking a relative break mentally and physically because his guy is just standing there
San Antonio did a lot of damage with their hammer set, but when i watch teams like the heat they're having their guys (Duncan) move a lot and they're launching bombs creating yet other forms of space.
none of this is meant to be disrespect to the general proposition you raise about 3 point shooting and that corner threes can be helpful. I just see more motion in the future.
Chandler wrote:Knixkik wrote:Chandler wrote:
I have mixed feelings about corner threes other than in select situations. Guy parked in the corner is doing little to contribute to the offensive flow and his defender has a better ability to contribute in some positive way as the play is still in front of him. I appreciate it works for teams like Bucks and Rockets where they have a dominant driver and when they kick out they're playing 4 on 3 and they generate more open 3s from the corner, but if anything I'm seeing more of a movement of away from the corner and not necessarily hugging the linealso i am no expert on Thibs but i have never thought of him as loving 3s and have thought of him more as attack the rim, draw fouls type (which better suits RJ FWIW)
The corner 3 is so valuable to the offense because it pulls the defenders away from the helpside. The hope is that RJ, who's best attributes are getting to the basket and passing, will benefit most from an offense built this way.
true but at a cost. E.g., if your guys are stuck in the corner, they're not helping with flow, and there is going to be more imbalance transitioning to defense. Think of all those situations where there's a guy in the corner but someone else further out takes a shot and misses. you've handicapped your team's transition defense. So where's net benefit? And while the defender is being pulled away the play is still more in "front of him" than it is in other situations where 3 point shooting helps with spacing. And the defender in many ways is taking a relative break mentally and physically because his guy is just standing there
San Antonio did a lot of damage with their hammer set, but when i watch teams like the heat they're having their guys (Duncan) move a lot and they're launching bombs creating yet other forms of space.
none of this is meant to be disrespect to the general proposition you raise about 3 point shooting and that corner threes can be helpful. I just see more motion in the future.
You're probably right. I really don't have much knowledge in terms of the evolution of NBA offenses. For whatever reason, coaches love that type of pick and roll offense with shooters available in the corners.
