Knicks · Big man at 27 (page 1)

NYKBocker wrote:As long as he is a shooter then yeah

Tillie. One of the best shooters in the draft and is a stretch-4. Can probably play some 5 too with his length and mobility. Somewhat of a cross between Bertans and Olynyk I think.

Xavier Tillman
Killian Tillie
Paul Reed

BRIGGS wrote:One of the very decent big men who get no play WILL fall to 27. I’m still a believer in the double big atleast at times and this pick can give us some needed longer term quality depth. Some of these guys are lottery picks in other years— gaining 4-5 years of rights would be smart for the team at 27. Value pick

BEST PLAYER AVAILABLE! Whoever that may be. IMO

HofstraBBall wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:One of the very decent big men who get no play WILL fall to 27. I’m still a believer in the double big atleast at times and this pick can give us some needed longer term quality depth. Some of these guys are lottery picks in other years— gaining 4-5 years of rights would be smart for the team at 27. Value pick

BEST PLAYER AVAILABLE! Whoever that may be. IMO

Best player available is easier said than done. Maybe someone falls for some unknown reason and is the clearcut BPA at 27. But the most likely scenario is you have a tier of players you like and a few of those guys are available at 27 and a few aren't. Then you just have to pick the best fit within that tier but the BPA will likely be a preference of a handful of guys.

martin wrote:2 of these guys may be around for 38

Xavier Tillman
Killian Tillie
Paul Reed

Nice prospects!

1. Paul Reed
2. Kilian Tillie

Getting Paul Reed would be so perfect! Tillie can shoot though, a nice consolation prize. Do we really have a chance to get them? I’m gonna check the mock drafts now!

PassTheBall wrote:

martin wrote:2 of these guys may be around for 38

Xavier Tillman
Killian Tillie
Paul Reed

Nice prospects!

1. Paul Reed
2. Kilian Tillie

Getting Paul Reed would be so perfect! Tillie can shoot though, a nice consolation prize. Do we really have a chance to get them? I’m gonna check the mock drafts now!

I think Tillie is more likely gone before 38, but Reed may be there. Honestly this range of players is going to be very hard to predict. We will see some random guys go higher and guys expected in the mid to late first go in the second round.

Knixkik wrote:

PassTheBall wrote:

martin wrote:2 of these guys may be around for 38

Xavier Tillman
Killian Tillie
Paul Reed

Nice prospects!

1. Paul Reed
2. Kilian Tillie

Getting Paul Reed would be so perfect! Tillie can shoot though, a nice consolation prize. Do we really have a chance to get them? I’m gonna check the mock drafts now!

I think Tillie is more likely gone before 38, but Reed may be there. Honestly this range of players is going to be very hard to predict. We will see some random guys go higher and guys expected in the mid to late first go in the second round.

I think it's the other way. Reed will probably go a of Tillie because he has the potential to be more well rounded. But they both have warts and their ages will be held against them. I don't think it's out of the question for this team to get an earlier second-rounder if they like Tillie that much.

BigDaddyG wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

PassTheBall wrote:

martin wrote:2 of these guys may be around for 38

Xavier Tillman
Killian Tillie
Paul Reed

Nice prospects!

1. Paul Reed
2. Kilian Tillie

Getting Paul Reed would be so perfect! Tillie can shoot though, a nice consolation prize. Do we really have a chance to get them? I’m gonna check the mock drafts now!

I think Tillie is more likely gone before 38, but Reed may be there. Honestly this range of players is going to be very hard to predict. We will see some random guys go higher and guys expected in the mid to late first go in the second round.

I think it's the other way. Reed will probably go a of Tillie because he has the potential to be more well rounded. But they both have warts and their ages will be held against them. I don't think it's out of the question for this team to get an earlier second-rounder if they like Tillie that much.

This just shows how unpredictable this draft could be. Tillie could go at 20 and Reed at 50, or vice versa. I would expect both in the 25-40 range, but you can't really tell.

Knixkik wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

PassTheBall wrote:

martin wrote:2 of these guys may be around for 38

Xavier Tillman
Killian Tillie
Paul Reed

Nice prospects!

1. Paul Reed
2. Kilian Tillie

Getting Paul Reed would be so perfect! Tillie can shoot though, a nice consolation prize. Do we really have a chance to get them? I’m gonna check the mock drafts now!

I think Tillie is more likely gone before 38, but Reed may be there. Honestly this range of players is going to be very hard to predict. We will see some random guys go higher and guys expected in the mid to late first go in the second round.

I think it's the other way. Reed will probably go a of Tillie because he has the potential to be more well rounded. But they both have warts and their ages will be held against them. I don't think it's out of the question for this team to get an earlier second-rounder if they like Tillie that much.

This just shows how unpredictable this draft could be. Tillie could go at 20 and Reed at 50, or vice versa. I would expect both in the 25-40 range, but you can't really tell.

Most teams draft based on fit so we should be able to predict it somewhat but I do agree that this draft seems more unpredictable than previous drafts.

I would be happy with either one of those guys.

Knixkik wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:One of the very decent big men who get no play WILL fall to 27. I’m still a believer in the double big atleast at times and this pick can give us some needed longer term quality depth. Some of these guys are lottery picks in other years— gaining 4-5 years of rights would be smart for the team at 27. Value pick

BEST PLAYER AVAILABLE! Whoever that may be. IMO

Best player available is easier said than done. Maybe someone falls for some unknown reason and is the clearcut BPA at 27. But the most likely scenario is you have a tier of players you like and a few of those guys are available at 27 and a few aren't. Then you just have to pick the best fit within that tier but the BPA will likely be a preference of a handful of guys.

Disagree that you should pick players based on fit at any spot. Think the problem with picking a player based on your immediate need or fit is that you are assuming a 19 year old has any chance of filling that specific need right away. If you look at a typical time frame for a 19 year old draft pick to fill out into a role it is probably more like 3 years. So what is the good of picking a player to fill a need you have this year? Additionally, a team does not know what needs they may have in 3 years. So picking a player based on future needs make little sense as well. In todays NBA players are constantly changing and teams needs also change with the addition and subtraction of players. If you look at the Knicks, their needs have changed monthly or at best case annually. They also have several needs. Which one player can not fill. Not to mention we do not exactly have a player that has proven to be a cornerstone. Reason why I feel regardless of need or fit you go with the player that has the best current skill set, physical attributes and proven track record. Regardless of anything else.

HofstraBBall wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:One of the very decent big men who get no play WILL fall to 27. I’m still a believer in the double big atleast at times and this pick can give us some needed longer term quality depth. Some of these guys are lottery picks in other years— gaining 4-5 years of rights would be smart for the team at 27. Value pick

BEST PLAYER AVAILABLE! Whoever that may be. IMO

Best player available is easier said than done. Maybe someone falls for some unknown reason and is the clearcut BPA at 27. But the most likely scenario is you have a tier of players you like and a few of those guys are available at 27 and a few aren't. Then you just have to pick the best fit within that tier but the BPA will likely be a preference of a handful of guys.

Disagree that you should pick players based on fit at any spot. Think the problem with picking a player based on your immediate need or fit is that you are assuming a 19 year old has any chance of filling that specific need right away. If you look at a typical time frame for a 19 year old draft pick to fill out into a role it is probably more like 3 years. So what is the good of picking a player to fill a need you have this year? Additionally, a team does not know what needs they may have in 3 years. So picking a player based on future needs make little sense as well. In todays NBA players are constantly changing and teams needs also change with the addition and subtraction of players. If you look at the Knicks, their needs have changed monthly or at best case annually. They also have several needs. Which one player can not fill. Not to mention we do not exactly have a player that has proven to be a cornerstone. Reason why I feel regardless of need or fit you go with the player that has the best current skill set, physical attributes and proven track record. Regardless of anything else.

The idea of drafting by fit means you are projecting out what a player can be and have a particular plan for how they fit into your team. Teams like Miami draft a player based on how that player fits into their culture and what role they see for them in the future. BPA is a great idea but rarely is there an undisputed best player outside of the top handful of players. Take last year for example. Barrett was the undisputed 3rd best player in the draft (every team would have drafted him 3rd most likely ) but after him there was no BPA. It was more about preference and how a player fits with a team going forward. So if there’s a clearcut BPA great, but rarely is there after the first few picks.

KnickDanger wrote:From one mock to another there is very little consistency as to where most players land. If ever there was a time that was ripe to luck into a steal it's now. This is where you want to trust those doing the picking.

Exactly what his this administration done all these years, that we can just trust them. Granted its a new FO right now so thats a positive. But we don't know if they have the scouting skills we need to identify a gem.

blkexec wrote:

KnickDanger wrote:From one mock to another there is very little consistency as to where most players land. If ever there was a time that was ripe to luck into a steal it's now. This is where you want to trust those doing the picking.

Exactly what his this administration done all these years, that we can just trust them. Granted its a new FO right now so thats a positive. But we don't know if they have the scouting skills we need to identify a gem.