Knicks · OT: Morey steps down in Houston (page 1)

martin @ 10/15/2020 12:15 PM
EnySpree @ 10/15/2020 12:36 PM
They might blow up that team!
Allanfan20 @ 10/15/2020 12:46 PM
EnySpree wrote:They might blow up that team!

They should.

smackeddog @ 10/15/2020 12:53 PM
Weird timing.

I wanted him to take over the Knicks before we hired Rose. Much as I dislike Morey, he's done a great job with the Rockets (painted himself into a corner the last few seasons but I blame the owner for that)

Nalod @ 10/15/2020 1:31 PM
He extended in March of 2019.
He had the second best record in his 13 year tenure in the league.
Second only to Philly in making trades in that time. 78 Vs 77 trades.
Dude was. Bold. His teams in my opinion played over there heads to eventually disappoint in the playoffs.
ESPN reported he wants to spend time with his college kids who are taking a gap year. LIkely walked away with a small severance with a one year/season non compete. Meaning he is not coming back any time soon.
It would be cool if this is who Leon is waiting for when Perry’s contract is done? My sense is Brock Aller likely gets promoted if Perry goes.
Perhaps league ante’d up and payed Morey to go away to placate china? Maybe Fertitta had every intention of riding it out but with his core business hit by Covid maybe the directive changed and he had to rebuild and Morey was cooked after years of intensity?
Many potential narratives. Until we know if ever, hope the dude enjoys some time off and hand with his kids. I can relate to that!
BigDaddyG @ 10/15/2020 2:28 PM
Nalod wrote:He extended in March of 2019.
He had the second best record in his 13 year tenure in the league.
Second only to Philly in making trades in that time. 78 Vs 77 trades.
Dude was. Bold. His teams in my opinion played over there heads to eventually disappoint in the playoffs.
ESPN reported he wants to spend time with his college kids who are taking a gap year. LIkely walked away with a small severance with a one year/season non compete. Meaning he is not coming back any time soon.
It would be cool if this is who Leon is waiting for when Perry’s contract is done? My sense is Brock Aller likely gets promoted if Perry goes.
Perhaps league ante’d up and payed Morey to go away to placate china? Maybe Fertitta had every intention of riding it out but with his core business hit by Covid maybe the directive changed and he had to rebuild and Morey was cooked after years of intensity?
Many potential narratives. Until we know if ever, hope the dude enjoys some time off and hand with his kids. I can relate to that!

Is it coincidence that this happened shortly after China began airing the finals? The league is at point where it can't ignore any potential sources of revenue.

smackeddog @ 10/15/2020 3:17 PM
BigDaddyG wrote:
Nalod wrote:He extended in March of 2019.
He had the second best record in his 13 year tenure in the league.
Second only to Philly in making trades in that time. 78 Vs 77 trades.
Dude was. Bold. His teams in my opinion played over there heads to eventually disappoint in the playoffs.
ESPN reported he wants to spend time with his college kids who are taking a gap year. LIkely walked away with a small severance with a one year/season non compete. Meaning he is not coming back any time soon.
It would be cool if this is who Leon is waiting for when Perry’s contract is done? My sense is Brock Aller likely gets promoted if Perry goes.
Perhaps league ante’d up and payed Morey to go away to placate china? Maybe Fertitta had every intention of riding it out but with his core business hit by Covid maybe the directive changed and he had to rebuild and Morey was cooked after years of intensity?
Many potential narratives. Until we know if ever, hope the dude enjoys some time off and hand with his kids. I can relate to that!

Is it coincidence that this happened shortly after China began airing the finals? The league is at point where it can't ignore any potential sources of revenue.

Definitively seems a bit suspect!

martin @ 10/15/2020 3:23 PM
BigDaddyG wrote:
Nalod wrote:He extended in March of 2019.
He had the second best record in his 13 year tenure in the league.
Second only to Philly in making trades in that time. 78 Vs 77 trades.
Dude was. Bold. His teams in my opinion played over there heads to eventually disappoint in the playoffs.
ESPN reported he wants to spend time with his college kids who are taking a gap year. LIkely walked away with a small severance with a one year/season non compete. Meaning he is not coming back any time soon.
It would be cool if this is who Leon is waiting for when Perry’s contract is done? My sense is Brock Aller likely gets promoted if Perry goes.
Perhaps league ante’d up and payed Morey to go away to placate china? Maybe Fertitta had every intention of riding it out but with his core business hit by Covid maybe the directive changed and he had to rebuild and Morey was cooked after years of intensity?
Many potential narratives. Until we know if ever, hope the dude enjoys some time off and hand with his kids. I can relate to that!

Is it coincidence that this happened shortly after China began airing the finals? The league is at point where it can't ignore any potential sources of revenue.

I wouldn't be surprised at all if China representation on this made airing finals contingent on Morey getting booted, in fact I would say high likelihood.

Nalod @ 10/15/2020 7:33 PM
So Morey gets his contract paid, or similar and I would hope the angle about I’m wanting t take some time with his kids is legit.
League been squeezed by China? I doubt the few games made a big difference but another season would. NBA has big plans in the future for china. Was “Morey paid off to be quiet”? We all have a price. He can go away and comeback or maybe open a papa johns and live happily ever after. 13 years as GM is a good run and he did a great job!!1
Jmpasq @ 10/15/2020 8:05 PM
smackeddog wrote:Weird timing.

I wanted him to take over the Knicks before we hired Rose. Much as I dislike Morey, he's done a great job with the Rockets (painted himself into a corner the last few seasons but I blame the owner for that)

The Westbrook trade is one of the worst trades in the History of the NBA

smackeddog @ 10/16/2020 3:48 AM
Jmpasq wrote:
smackeddog wrote:Weird timing.

I wanted him to take over the Knicks before we hired Rose. Much as I dislike Morey, he's done a great job with the Rockets (painted himself into a corner the last few seasons but I blame the owner for that)

The Westbrook trade is one of the worst trades in the History of the NBA

painted himself into a corner the last few seasons but I blame the owner for that

GustavBahler @ 10/16/2020 12:19 PM
Give Morey credit for all the reloading he did with all-star talent. Who still had something left in the tank, for the most part. Whatever the reason, he had time to win a chip'. Not easy, sometimes a team needs to go in a new direction.
Nalod @ 10/17/2020 10:24 AM
New owner. He extended him 5 years last year. Most owners want their own guys after while.
martin @ 10/17/2020 2:25 PM
Nalod wrote:New owner. He extended him 5 years last year. Most owners want their own guys after while.

Or, or Morey may have costed NBA half billion so far and China came to the table with first move? Owner gets his own GM would be bonus

Nalod @ 10/18/2020 4:04 AM
martin wrote:
Nalod wrote:New owner. He extended him 5 years last year. Most owners want their own guys after while.

Or, or Morey may have costed NBA half billion so far and China came to the table with first move? Owner gets his own GM would be bonus

Fertitta said Morey told him he would not be staying............
Let’s just say if there is an angle about China they are polishing it up and not public about that a bit.
Bill Simmons said the hedge fund world would embrace him as they have Billy Beane. Dude that think out side the box. Its very likely there is a China angle and money matters. IT usually does!

Panos @ 10/18/2020 11:10 AM
Unless he's blackballed by the NBA, I'd fire Perry and hire him as GM.
ESOMKnicks @ 10/20/2020 6:17 AM
Panos wrote:Unless he's blackballed by the NBA, I'd fire Perry and hire him as GM.

I dunno. The Rockets were competitive, but I feel the one big move they made was snap up Harden when he became available.

But now they have bloated contracts, a trillion picks traded away, no in a position to contend, and no championships to show for it. So I would not classify Morey's tenure as a success.

And what the hell was that Ryan Anderson contract about?

knicks1248 @ 10/20/2020 9:22 AM
Jmpasq wrote:
smackeddog wrote:Weird timing.

I wanted him to take over the Knicks before we hired Rose. Much as I dislike Morey, he's done a great job with the Rockets (painted himself into a corner the last few seasons but I blame the owner for that)

The Westbrook trade is one of the worst trades in the History of the NBA

Maybe not the worse, but definitely one of the worse. It just made Zero sense, a straight lateral Move, like Keith van Horn for Tim Thomas, just a real head scratcher.

GustavBahler @ 10/20/2020 9:33 AM
ESOMKnicks wrote:
Panos wrote:Unless he's blackballed by the NBA, I'd fire Perry and hire him as GM.

I dunno. The Rockets were competitive, but I feel the one big move they made was snap up Harden when he became available.

But now they have bloated contracts, a trillion picks traded away, no in a position to contend, and no championships to show for it. So I would not classify Morey's tenure as a success.

And what the hell was that Ryan Anderson contract about?

Rockets were in the hunt for a stretch, but now they have to pay the bill.

Perry got us a decent haul for an aging.injury prone, star, with a big contract, an NTC, and a trade kicker. Which wasnt his signing. As well as trading KP before his value cratered, because of more surgery. KP wanted out, and Perry used that to clear cap room, get 1st round picks, a look at DSJr.

Perry hasnt been perfect, no GM is. "Do no harm" is how I would describe his tenure. No bloated contracts, or big cap hits. A surplus of 1st and second round picks. We got Mitch in the Melo trade. The table is nicely set for Rose to build a contender. Firing Perry would be silly. Every other Knicks GM would have left Rose a huge mess to clean up, like was left for Perry.

Nalod @ 10/20/2020 9:40 AM
Rockets had second best record in Morey 13 year tenure in the league. No chips is not successful?
Maybe Rockets mostly over achieved enroute to the playoffs?
We Riley unsuccessful as knick coach because they lost in the finals when favorite?
Did MDA fail in Phx because they could not get a chip?
In 13 years they had to deal with teams that ultimately won chips.
Is it a given that hiring Morey gives you 13 years of the same thing in the past? Of course not.
Rockets were innovative and most years wrung out A LOT from what they had.
knicks1248 @ 10/20/2020 10:47 AM
GustavBahler wrote:
ESOMKnicks wrote:
Panos wrote:Unless he's blackballed by the NBA, I'd fire Perry and hire him as GM.

I dunno. The Rockets were competitive, but I feel the one big move they made was snap up Harden when he became available.

But now they have bloated contracts, a trillion picks traded away, no in a position to contend, and no championships to show for it. So I would not classify Morey's tenure as a success.

And what the hell was that Ryan Anderson contract about?

Rockets were in the hunt for a stretch, but now they have to pay the bill.

Perry got us a decent haul for an aging.injury prone, star, with a big contract, an NTC, and a trade kicker. Which wasnt his signing. As well as trading KP before his value cratered, because of more surgery. KP wanted out, and Perry used that to clear cap room, get 1st round picks, a look at DSJr.

Perry hasnt been perfect, no GM is. "Do no harm" is how I would describe his tenure. No bloated contracts, or big cap hits. A surplus of 1st and second round picks. We got Mitch in the Melo trade. The table is nicely set for Rose to build a contender. Firing Perry would be silly. Every other Knicks GM would have left Rose a huge mess to clean up, like was left for Perry.

IDK how you give a guy credit who contributed in building a losing culture that no star wanted to be part of, A good thing.

Melo was not injury prone(OKC got a better haul for melo a yr later), Your best draft pick since patrick ewing wanted out after only 2 1/2 yrs.

He did a lot of Harm from an a culture stand point, from a development stand point, and from the overall environment.

it's like your saying " I'M OK WITH KEEPING PERRY BECAUSE he didn't signed bad contracts..(Mitch a 2nd rounder, for HOF Melo is a good trade in your eyes)..OOK.

Morey is the anti perry

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