1) Buddy Hield for RJ Barrett, Taj Gibson and 2nd Rd. This was a suggested trade I saw today. Once you pull the trigger on a trade like this, it feels like you need to move to win now.
2) Crazy with the Warriors. Andrew Wiggins and #2 for Julius Randle, Mitchell Robinson, Frank Ntlikina and #2. Not sure how the Wiggins/Thibodeau relationship is in actuality. But this move assumes they get along and want to work together again. With the #2 I’m taking Wiseman. I see this as a lateral trade of Randle for Wiggins and then a trade of 8 and Robinson for Wiseman. We might be giving up a lot, but you gotta give to get.
3)Sign and Trade for Christian Woods and Fred Van Vleet. Use filler and 2nd Rd picks to make the salary work.
FVV
Hield
Wiggins
Wood
Wiseman
It should take a year to gel and get guys playing Thib’s style. You have the 21 draft pick to ease that pain.
The floor would be spread with guys that hit the 3. Couple guys might need attitude adjustments, so it could go poorly from that perspective. It’s missing the veteran presence, but maybe you get a couple guys on a VetMin to help out. Relies on Thibs ability to craft a team defense, but I’d be pretty happy with this.
1)Buddy's value is low. If they wanted, the Knicks could pull a deal w/o including RJ. They could just include pick #8.
2)If Warriors are win trying to win now, they probably don't want Randle. I don't think you can play Randle and Dray together. Wiggins makes more sense for their roster as it's currently constituted. And I don't see anyone in the #2 range that's worth giving up Mitch for. Heck, there are some beat writers talking about Ball possibly falling to us. There was another rumor floating around the Knicks were firmly offering 8 and 27 for 2. If that's true, the front office doesn't seem to be all that enthralled with the second pick.
3) We could possibly sign Wood outright. We need to wait and let the market take it's course. I have no issue with a sign and trade for FVV, but I'm also leery of getting violated by Masai again. They need to proceed with caution if they go down that route.
BigDaddyG wrote:1)Buddy's value is low. If they wanted, the Knicks could pull a deal w/o including RJ. They could just include pick #8.
2)If Warriors are win trying to win now, they probably don't want Randle. I don't think you can play Randle and Dray together. Wiggins makes more sense for their roster as it's currently constituted. And I don't see anyone in the #2 range that's worth giving up Mitch for. Heck, there are some beat writers talking about Ball possibly falling to us. There was another rumor floating around the Knicks were firmly offering 8 and 27 for 2. If that's true, the front office doesn't seem to be all that enthralled with the second pick.
3) We could possibly sign Wood outright. We need to wait and let the market take it's course. I have no issue with a sign and trade for FVV, but I'm also leery of getting violated by Masai again. They need to proceed with caution if they go down that route.
1) I don’t necessarily disagree. The Barrett/Buddy swap is more a function of them both playing the same position. I don’t “love” the idea of giving up on RJ, but I’ve been infatuated with better 3pt shooting to spread the floor. For me, it’s the unpredictability of whether Barrett will learn how to hit a free throw. I’m trading that for a proven volume 3 pt shooter.
2) If 2 is available for 8/27, that’s clearly better. I see Randle as a small ball center for the Warriors. Giving up Robinson isn’t easy, but his contract is perhaps more valuable than anything else and it’s a depreciating asset. If the Knicks are all in on 2021 free agency, they should not move Robinson. But, if they are taking themselves out of 2021 free agency, swapping Robinson for Wiseman seems more reasonable. Warriors need a bit more depth. I’d take 8/27 for 2 and use the flexibility. I see them requiring Robinson in any deal.
3) I see the Sign and Trades for our benefit as most of our non-guaranteed contracts have $1mm buyouts. To the extent these are S&Ts, you can go over the cap a bit more and maybe as another mid level player. It’s more like “we are signing him anyway, you can have Eldridge Payton if you take Wayne Ellington also.”
A Gibson, Dotson, Knox, # 8 for the #2 would be an interesting deal for both teams. I think Dot doesn’t get enough credit for being a nice defensive three point shooter especially on his deal. Gibson can provide some nice defense off their bench and they still get a nice prospect in Knox and can get a nice piece.
Buddy Hield is a problem in the lockeroom, why would you give up a hardworking guy that wants to get better for a guy making $20MM that has an attitude problem. Barrett is going to really put it together in the next two years.
We under value Randle a bit.
There are scenarios for trading Robinson but his value is very high because of his contract.
Buddy Freaking Hield for RJ? Hell no!
Lost me at trading Barrett. Way too soon.
GustavBahler wrote:Lost me at trading Barrett. Way too soon.
Yes exactly. If we move Barrett it would be for a superstar. Hield isn’t that. He’s a great compliment to Barrett and we could get him easily without moving Barrett. Barrett is more of a 3 anyways and Hield is a complimentary 2.
RJ AND an expiring AND yet another second round pick for a player who will probably be lesser than RJ? Hard pass.
Although there are names I like there---Im not trading RJ Barrett.
Hield I dont like and FVV is a good not great player that is going to get some serious cash.
Im pretty willing to draft the next two years to rebuild.
Im staying with Wiseman Nesmith Okoro at 8
Take BPA at 27 38 (its to hard to put a name in as what if Cole Anthony dropped to 27 for example)
Depending on our situation I also like Woods in free agency.
BRIGGS wrote:Although there are names I like there---Im not trading RJ Barrett.Hield I dont like and FVV is a good not great player that is going to get some serious cash.
Im pretty willing to draft the next two years to rebuild.
Im staying with Wiseman Nesmith Okoro at 8
Take BPA at 27 38 (its to hard to put a name in as what if Cole Anthony dropped to 27 for example)
Depending on our situation I also like Woods in free agency.
Yeah I’m all for moving Randle for Hield in a dump situation but otherwise I’d rather put a wing next to Barrett via draft or free agency that can shoot. Nesmith, Vassell, Joe Harris or Malik Beasley would work fine.
Some of us feel RJ would go first in this year's draft and others want to trade him for a sandwich.
KnickDanger wrote:Some of us feel RJ would go first in this year's draft and others want to trade him for a sandwich.
He would absolutely go first in this draft. Would be a better fit in Minnesota than any of the top prospects. RJs upside isn’t out of this world but he’s going to be a very good player. Had he never reclassified he would have been even more dominant at Duke a year older and be an easy , high floor pick at #1. Minn wouldn’t be so desperate to move the pick as they seem.
Knixkik wrote:KnickDanger wrote:Some of us feel RJ would go first in this year's draft and others want to trade him for a sandwich.
He would absolutely go first in this draft. Would be a better fit in Minnesota than any of the top prospects. RJs upside isn’t out of this world but he’s going to be a very good player. Had he never reclassified he would have been even more dominant at Duke a year older and be an easy , high floor pick at #1. Minn wouldn’t be so desperate to move the pick as they seem.
They would take him in a second. He’s more skilled that Edwards, and there are no questions about his BBIQ. RJ also isn’t raw like Edwards where you have to assume he needs 3-4 years of development to unlock his potential.
Russell
Beasley
RJ
Spellman
Wiggins
Would be a really interesting team.
Knixkik wrote:KnickDanger wrote:Some of us feel RJ would go first in this year's draft and others want to trade him for a sandwich.
He would absolutely go first in this draft. Would be a better fit in Minnesota than any of the top prospects. RJs upside isn’t out of this world but he’s going to be a very good player. Had he never reclassified he would have been even more dominant at Duke a year older and be an easy , high floor pick at #1. Minn wouldn’t be so desperate to move the pick as they seem.
Is Wiseman the real deal?
If RJ world be no. 1 pick This year, Is there a conversation where we flip RJ for Wiseman?
I don’t know how teams value him, knicks included.
Question then tilts For MInny to who has an higher upside, Edwards or RJ?
I could see an RJ for Ball trade if you thought you could get a good shooting guard at #8, which we could do. If we got Ball and Nesmith in a trade for RJ, that might be a good deal. The timberwolves might be interested in RJ. He could fill a lot of holes for them.
I guess I just worry about Barrett’s 61% FT%. That’s a real liability. He can’t have the ball in his hands at the end of the game.
I love Robinson, but I worry that his contract will expire before we’ve had a chance to really build with him.
I’ve gotten pretty infatuated with Wiseman.
After Bradley Beal, Buddy Hield is the only high volume/high percentage SG available.
I’d happily see what Thibs can do with our young guys, but I think adding a couple 3 pt shooters would open up the game for the rest of the team.
EwingsGlass wrote:I guess I just worry about Barrett’s 61% FT%. That’s a real liability. He can’t have the ball in his hands at the end of the game. I love Robinson, but I worry that his contract will expire before we’ve had a chance to really build with him.
I’ve gotten pretty infatuated with Wiseman.
After Bradley Beal, Buddy Hield is the only high volume/high percentage SG available.
I’d happily see what Thibs can do with our young guys, but I think adding a couple 3 pt shooters would open up the game for the rest of the team.
I get what you're saying about RJ's free throw percentages, but it's no like he's in year three. Too early to sound the alarm. I'm not high on Wiseman yet, but I'm a big fan Oneyka. I might've been more into the idea of moving Mitch for #2 earlier in the season. But the more I look into this draft, the less impressed I become with the top of it. If you said 8, Portia or whoever for Hield, I'd connsider it.
BigDaddyG wrote:EwingsGlass wrote:I guess I just worry about Barrett’s 61% FT%. That’s a real liability. He can’t have the ball in his hands at the end of the game. I love Robinson, but I worry that his contract will expire before we’ve had a chance to really build with him.
I’ve gotten pretty infatuated with Wiseman.
After Bradley Beal, Buddy Hield is the only high volume/high percentage SG available.
I’d happily see what Thibs can do with our young guys, but I think adding a couple 3 pt shooters would open up the game for the rest of the team.
I get what you're saying about RJ's free throw percentages, but it's no like he's in year three. Too early to sound the alarm. I'm not high on Wiseman yet, but I'm a big fan Oneyka. I might've been more into the idea of moving Mitch for #2 earlier in the season. But the more I look into this draft, the less impressed I become with the top of it. If you said 8, Portia or whoever for Hield, I'd connsider it.
I’m sure that trade is out there also. I don’t really like the idea of moving Barrett to the 3 though.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m happy just to draft at 8 and see what happens. We will need to address shooting at some point.
wargames wrote:Knixkik wrote:KnickDanger wrote:Some of us feel RJ would go first in this year's draft and others want to trade him for a sandwich.
He would absolutely go first in this draft. Would be a better fit in Minnesota than any of the top prospects. RJs upside isn’t out of this world but he’s going to be a very good player. Had he never reclassified he would have been even more dominant at Duke a year older and be an easy , high floor pick at #1. Minn wouldn’t be so desperate to move the pick as they seem.
They would take him in a second. He’s more skilled that Edwards, and there are no questions about his BBIQ. RJ also isn’t raw like Edwards where you have to assume he needs 3-4 years of development to unlock his potential.
Russell
Beasley
RJ
Spellman
Wiggins
Would be a really interesting team.
You mean Towns at the 5 and yes it would. They would love RJ. And I’m glad we got him.
wargames wrote:Knixkik wrote:KnickDanger wrote:Some of us feel RJ would go first in this year's draft and others want to trade him for a sandwich.
He would absolutely go first in this draft. Would be a better fit in Minnesota than any of the top prospects. RJs upside isn’t out of this world but he’s going to be a very good player. Had he never reclassified he would have been even more dominant at Duke a year older and be an easy , high floor pick at #1. Minn wouldn’t be so desperate to move the pick as they seem.
They would take him in a second. He’s more skilled that Edwards, and there are no questions about his BBIQ. RJ also isn’t raw like Edwards where you have to assume he needs 3-4 years of development to unlock his potential.
Russell
Beasley
RJ
Spellman
Wiggins
Would be a really interesting team.
Speaking of Beasley, he's a RFA this year. Coming off his rookie contract, he would make a nice addition at SG. His contract would be much more doable, especially if Minnie keeps their # 1 pick, and need to pay that pick 10 million dollars yearly.
RJ’s FT% improved over the season. The 61% is not the full story. That stat is over the full season.
