Knicks · Julius Randle trade options (page 5)

wargames @ 1/5/2021 6:06 PM
How do you trade someone putting up these stats at 26?

You can’t even offer him to other teams because that implies you think it’s a fluke. They got to engage you after this holds up for a few weeks. Even then who do you trade him for? Thibs runs a system based on two offensive initiators in his Offense. Randle/RJ. You got to try and get that back for him.

Randle’s deal is also a steal. I just don’t see how they trade him right now.

ekstarks94 @ 1/5/2021 8:56 PM
wargames wrote:How do you trade someone putting up these stats at 26?

You can’t even offer him to other teams because that implies you think it’s a fluke. They got to engage you after this holds up for a few weeks. Even then who do you trade him for? Thibs runs a system based on two offensive initiators in his Offense. Randle/RJ. You got to try and get that back for him.

Randle’s deal is also a steal. I just don’t see how they trade him right now.


I agree with u 100% ....Randle is the fulcrum for this offense and his defense has been good as well. He is only 26 I say if this continues you roll with and you got your one star you look for a pairing to add to RJ and Mitch....this is a good problem for the Knicks....

Not sure what you can get that would make you better now and in the future...but if they choose to his play right now can grease the skids on a lot of deals...this is not Dantoni pumping up Boris Diaw’s value in the valley of the sun....I think his play is sustainable....let’s just hope he holds up under Thibs heavy mins because he riding RJ and Randle like secretariat....

ramtour420 @ 1/6/2021 4:58 AM
ekstarks94 wrote:
wargames wrote:How do you trade someone putting up these stats at 26?

You can’t even offer him to other teams because that implies you think it’s a fluke. They got to engage you after this holds up for a few weeks. Even then who do you trade him for? Thibs runs a system based on two offensive initiators in his Offense. Randle/RJ. You got to try and get that back for him.

Randle’s deal is also a steal. I just don’t see how they trade him right now.


I agree with u 100% ....Randle is the fulcrum for this offense and his defense has been good as well. He is only 26 I say if this continues you roll with and you got your one star you look for a pairing to add to RJ and Mitch....this is a good problem for the Knicks....

Not sure what you can get that would make you better now and in the future...but if they choose to his play right now can grease the skids on a lot of deals...this is not Dantoni pumping up Boris Diaw’s value in the valley of the sun....I think his play is sustainable....let’s just hope he holds up under Thibs heavy mins because he riding RJ and Randle like secretariat....

It pretty much means that we have our frontcourt set. Did you see that play vs. Atlanta where Mitch did not go for fakes and altered that shot and Randle ripped that rebound like noones business? That's exactly what we need. Mitch gets the stop. Randle boxes out and grabs the board. It's like basketball music.

KnickDanger @ 1/6/2021 11:11 AM
ramtour420 wrote:
ekstarks94 wrote:
wargames wrote:How do you trade someone putting up these stats at 26?

You can’t even offer him to other teams because that implies you think it’s a fluke. They got to engage you after this holds up for a few weeks. Even then who do you trade him for? Thibs runs a system based on two offensive initiators in his Offense. Randle/RJ. You got to try and get that back for him.

Randle’s deal is also a steal. I just don’t see how they trade him right now.


I agree with u 100% ....Randle is the fulcrum for this offense and his defense has been good as well. He is only 26 I say if this continues you roll with and you got your one star you look for a pairing to add to RJ and Mitch....this is a good problem for the Knicks....

Not sure what you can get that would make you better now and in the future...but if they choose to his play right now can grease the skids on a lot of deals...this is not Dantoni pumping up Boris Diaw’s value in the valley of the sun....I think his play is sustainable....let’s just hope he holds up under Thibs heavy mins because he riding RJ and Randle like secretariat....

It pretty much means that we have our frontcourt set. Did you see that play vs. Atlanta where Mitch did not go for fakes and altered that shot and Randle ripped that rebound like noones business? That's exactly what we need. Mitch gets the stop. Randle boxes out and grabs the board. It's like basketball music.

technomaster @ 1/6/2021 11:59 AM
Obviously, we need to look at where we are as a team to determine what to do with Randle. With the emergence of Rivers and Quickley, PG may be far less of a need than originally thought.

The ideal player to add to the Knicks team is Kawhi Leonard - a 29 year old 2-way wing that does a lot of things at an elite level. But unless he goes to Ballmer and says he wants out and wants to specifically go to the Knicks, I don't think he'll ever end up here.

Randle is pretty much the ideal age (26) for a young superstar addition and for now, is producing like a $40m max-type player. We're very fortunate to have him at 2 years at basically half that price. He may indeed not be a true #1 option, but I don't see where we find a clear upgrade in the 25-30 age range. You can't really go much older than that, because the rest of the team is basically made of 20-22 year olds that are still finding their games.

The Knicks imho could use a better 3&D SF and PG - Basically we see opportunity for much better play from Bullock/Payton's minutes. I think both of them have fine contracts for what they give - at least we're not overpaying them.

Quickley and Rivers might already be the guys that take over those minutes. The Knicks would have to be comfortable with RJ taking the physical punishment guarding somewhat bigger players at SF.

If we're looking at a more traditional lineup, we probably can get improve at PG with either Quickley/Rivers getting the bulk of the minutes running point, and Frank/Knox/Obi stepping up.

I think what we will probably end up seeing is Randle sticking with the Knicks and some of our young assets moving on for mild upgrades. Plus we have 2 first rounders coming next year.

Nalod @ 1/6/2021 12:43 PM
technomaster wrote:Obviously, we need to look at where we are as a team to determine what to do with Randle. With the emergence of Rivers and Quickley, PG may be far less of a need than originally thought.

The ideal player to add to the Knicks team is Kawhi Leonard - a 29 year old 2-way wing that does a lot of things at an elite level. But unless he goes to Ballmer and says he wants out and wants to specifically go to the Knicks, I don't think he'll ever end up here.

Randle is pretty much the ideal age (26) for a young superstar addition and for now, is producing like a $40m max-type player. We're very fortunate to have him at 2 years at basically half that price. He may indeed not be a true #1 option, but I don't see where we find a clear upgrade in the 25-30 age range. You can't really go much older than that, because the rest of the team is basically made of 20-22 year olds that are still finding their games.

The Knicks imho could use a better 3&D SF and PG - Basically we see opportunity for much better play from Bullock/Payton's minutes. I think both of them have fine contracts for what they give - at least we're not overpaying them.

Quickley and Rivers might already be the guys that take over those minutes. The Knicks would have to be comfortable with RJ taking the physical punishment guarding somewhat bigger players at SF.

If we're looking at a more traditional lineup, we probably can get improve at PG with either Quickley/Rivers getting the bulk of the minutes running point, and Frank/Knox/Obi stepping up.

I think what we will probably end up seeing is Randle sticking with the Knicks and some of our young assets moving on for mild upgrades. Plus we have 2 first rounders coming next year.

.......and Randle has been better than KP! Healthier by Far. Not apples to apples type player. KP is a small forward offensively.

Leon the Agent will know how to handle this going forward. Randle has shined in 7 games under Thibs and at some point money will come into he conversation. Maybe we buy him out and resign him to a longer term deal after this season? Thats Brock Aller’s job to figure that out. As long as he is on a good deal he can always be traded if we surge in talent around us and he ready to move on.

His turnovers are a result from having the ball frequently. His passing out of the spin is a hell of a move and one teams will be looking to defend. The league will adjust back to us.
Thibs will be ready!

foosballnick @ 1/6/2021 1:34 PM
technomaster wrote:Obviously, we need to look at where we are as a team to determine what to do with Randle. With the emergence of Rivers and Quickley, PG may be far less of a need than originally thought.

The ideal player to add to the Knicks team is Kawhi Leonard - a 29 year old 2-way wing that does a lot of things at an elite level. But unless he goes to Ballmer and says he wants out and wants to specifically go to the Knicks, I don't think he'll ever end up here.

Randle is pretty much the ideal age (26) for a young superstar addition and for now, is producing like a $40m max-type player. We're very fortunate to have him at 2 years at basically half that price. He may indeed not be a true #1 option, but I don't see where we find a clear upgrade in the 25-30 age range. You can't really go much older than that, because the rest of the team is basically made of 20-22 year olds that are still finding their games.

The Knicks imho could use a better 3&D SF and PG - Basically we see opportunity for much better play from Bullock/Payton's minutes. I think both of them have fine contracts for what they give - at least we're not overpaying them.

Quickley and Rivers might already be the guys that take over those minutes. The Knicks would have to be comfortable with RJ taking the physical punishment guarding somewhat bigger players at SF.

If we're looking at a more traditional lineup, we probably can get improve at PG with either Quickley/Rivers getting the bulk of the minutes running point, and Frank/Knox/Obi stepping up.

I think what we will probably end up seeing is Randle sticking with the Knicks and some of our young assets moving on for mild upgrades. Plus we have 2 first rounders coming next year.

If Randle stays close to his current output and Mitch can develop any kind of consistent mid-range game, and without any significant injuries, the team can be pretty damn good even without other major additions.

knicks1248 @ 1/6/2021 2:40 PM
foosballnick wrote:
technomaster wrote:Obviously, we need to look at where we are as a team to determine what to do with Randle. With the emergence of Rivers and Quickley, PG may be far less of a need than originally thought.

The ideal player to add to the Knicks team is Kawhi Leonard - a 29 year old 2-way wing that does a lot of things at an elite level. But unless he goes to Ballmer and says he wants out and wants to specifically go to the Knicks, I don't think he'll ever end up here.

Randle is pretty much the ideal age (26) for a young superstar addition and for now, is producing like a $40m max-type player. We're very fortunate to have him at 2 years at basically half that price. He may indeed not be a true #1 option, but I don't see where we find a clear upgrade in the 25-30 age range. You can't really go much older than that, because the rest of the team is basically made of 20-22 year olds that are still finding their games.

The Knicks imho could use a better 3&D SF and PG - Basically we see opportunity for much better play from Bullock/Payton's minutes. I think both of them have fine contracts for what they give - at least we're not overpaying them.

Quickley and Rivers might already be the guys that take over those minutes. The Knicks would have to be comfortable with RJ taking the physical punishment guarding somewhat bigger players at SF.

If we're looking at a more traditional lineup, we probably can get improve at PG with either Quickley/Rivers getting the bulk of the minutes running point, and Frank/Knox/Obi stepping up.

I think what we will probably end up seeing is Randle sticking with the Knicks and some of our young assets moving on for mild upgrades. Plus we have 2 first rounders coming next year.

If Randle stays close to his current output and Mitch can develop any kind of consistent mid-range game, and without any significant injuries, the team can be pretty damn good even without other major additions.

I still think we can Use a stretch big and lonzo ball

fishmike @ 1/6/2021 3:48 PM
knicks1248 wrote:
foosballnick wrote:
technomaster wrote:Obviously, we need to look at where we are as a team to determine what to do with Randle. With the emergence of Rivers and Quickley, PG may be far less of a need than originally thought.

The ideal player to add to the Knicks team is Kawhi Leonard - a 29 year old 2-way wing that does a lot of things at an elite level. But unless he goes to Ballmer and says he wants out and wants to specifically go to the Knicks, I don't think he'll ever end up here.

Randle is pretty much the ideal age (26) for a young superstar addition and for now, is producing like a $40m max-type player. We're very fortunate to have him at 2 years at basically half that price. He may indeed not be a true #1 option, but I don't see where we find a clear upgrade in the 25-30 age range. You can't really go much older than that, because the rest of the team is basically made of 20-22 year olds that are still finding their games.

The Knicks imho could use a better 3&D SF and PG - Basically we see opportunity for much better play from Bullock/Payton's minutes. I think both of them have fine contracts for what they give - at least we're not overpaying them.

Quickley and Rivers might already be the guys that take over those minutes. The Knicks would have to be comfortable with RJ taking the physical punishment guarding somewhat bigger players at SF.

If we're looking at a more traditional lineup, we probably can get improve at PG with either Quickley/Rivers getting the bulk of the minutes running point, and Frank/Knox/Obi stepping up.

I think what we will probably end up seeing is Randle sticking with the Knicks and some of our young assets moving on for mild upgrades. Plus we have 2 first rounders coming next year.

If Randle stays close to his current output and Mitch can develop any kind of consistent mid-range game, and without any significant injuries, the team can be pretty damn good even without other major additions.

I still think we can Use a stretch big and lonzo ball


Lonzo Ball is trash
technomaster @ 1/6/2021 6:30 PM
knicks1248 wrote:<snip>
I still think we can Use a stretch big and lonzo ball

The Knicks definitely need to improve to become a championship-level team - we're not there yet. I don't see them going toe to toe with the best in the east in a series as is, so we need to upgrade talent, either by player development or free agency.

The good news is that we still have most of 2 seasons to sort out our keepers before Randle & Robinson's contracts are up. (Robinson's value will be just as fascinating to watch. Woods just got $41m/3yr; Capela got $90m/5yr. But 26 year old Nerlens Noel, who puts up similar per 36 numbers as Robinson, got $5m/1yr.)

If Randle continues to be a beast and Mitch shows improvement, they may literally take up all of the open cap space.

The only notable contract decisions this year are 1) Burks (1 year deal) 2) Frank. Given that you can get players the quality of Burks and Rivers super cheap... there's no need to overpay Frank, DSJ, or any of the guys at the end of our bench.

I like Ball, but he comes with baggage (his dad) and ultimately, he isn't much of a shooter and isn't much better than Payton. And because he's not a shooter isn't an ideal fit when you have 2 meh shooters in RJ and Randle. He's younger so he has a longer window to prove he can improve.

BigDaddyG @ 1/6/2021 6:48 PM
fishmike wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
foosballnick wrote:
technomaster wrote:Obviously, we need to look at where we are as a team to determine what to do with Randle. With the emergence of Rivers and Quickley, PG may be far less of a need than originally thought.

The ideal player to add to the Knicks team is Kawhi Leonard - a 29 year old 2-way wing that does a lot of things at an elite level. But unless he goes to Ballmer and says he wants out and wants to specifically go to the Knicks, I don't think he'll ever end up here.

Randle is pretty much the ideal age (26) for a young superstar addition and for now, is producing like a $40m max-type player. We're very fortunate to have him at 2 years at basically half that price. He may indeed not be a true #1 option, but I don't see where we find a clear upgrade in the 25-30 age range. You can't really go much older than that, because the rest of the team is basically made of 20-22 year olds that are still finding their games.

The Knicks imho could use a better 3&D SF and PG - Basically we see opportunity for much better play from Bullock/Payton's minutes. I think both of them have fine contracts for what they give - at least we're not overpaying them.

Quickley and Rivers might already be the guys that take over those minutes. The Knicks would have to be comfortable with RJ taking the physical punishment guarding somewhat bigger players at SF.

If we're looking at a more traditional lineup, we probably can get improve at PG with either Quickley/Rivers getting the bulk of the minutes running point, and Frank/Knox/Obi stepping up.

I think what we will probably end up seeing is Randle sticking with the Knicks and some of our young assets moving on for mild upgrades. Plus we have 2 first rounders coming next year.

If Randle stays close to his current output and Mitch can develop any kind of consistent mid-range game, and without any significant injuries, the team can be pretty damn good even without other major additions.

I still think we can Use a stretch big and lonzo ball


Lonzo Ball is trash

I wouldn't call him trash, but I'd rather play IQ than pay a guard of Lonzo's caliber and legitimate stretch center don't grow on trees. I was hoping Omari could fill the niche. Who knows, he still might.

HofstraBBall @ 1/6/2021 11:05 PM
Chandler wrote:
HofstraBBall wrote:
Knixkik wrote:Would you guys trade Randle to New Orleans for Eric Bledsoe? He's going to make 16 mil a year for the next 3 years. He's not ideal, but much better than Payton.

Do not see Bledsoe changing much. If TT can get Randle back to down low presence and play some D, he will add more to our win total than Bledsoe. Imo. Randle is still a young player. He is physical and has a high offensive skill set. He was our top scorer and is tough to stop down low.
Fizdale was more to blame with how bad he looked. Trying to make his a PF was a joke. Feel TT will not let him do that will hopefully push him to play the physical game more.

beldsoe is an underrated defender and player in general IMO.

if team can do what you suggest with Randle that would be great. i would still worry about ball hog nature at times, and IMO low BBIQ. And he better produce because the detriment is the spacing will screw up RJ at a minimum and maybe more.

Think he has shown much higher BB IQ. We now see it was a coaching problem. And a better willingness to play team ball.

Philc1 @ 1/7/2021 7:26 AM
technomaster wrote:Obviously, we need to look at where we are as a team to determine what to do with Randle. With the emergence of Rivers and Quickley, PG may be far less of a need than originally thought.

The ideal player to add to the Knicks team is Kawhi Leonard - a 29 year old 2-way wing that does a lot of things at an elite level. But unless he goes to Ballmer and says he wants out and wants to specifically go to the Knicks, I don't think he'll ever end up here.

Randle is pretty much the ideal age (26) for a young superstar addition and for now, is producing like a $40m max-type player. We're very fortunate to have him at 2 years at basically half that price. He may indeed not be a true #1 option, but I don't see where we find a clear upgrade in the 25-30 age range. You can't really go much older than that, because the rest of the team is basically made of 20-22 year olds that are still finding their games.

The Knicks imho could use a better 3&D SF and PG - Basically we see opportunity for much better play from Bullock/Payton's minutes. I think both of them have fine contracts for what they give - at least we're not overpaying them.

Quickley and Rivers might already be the guys that take over those minutes. The Knicks would have to be comfortable with RJ taking the physical punishment guarding somewhat bigger players at SF.

If we're looking at a more traditional lineup, we probably can get improve at PG with either Quickley/Rivers getting the bulk of the minutes running point, and Frank/Knox/Obi stepping up.

I think what we will probably end up seeing is Randle sticking with the Knicks and some of our young assets moving on for mild upgrades. Plus we have 2 first rounders coming next year.

Kawhi is a west coast guy. He ain’t coming here. He could have stayed in Toronto for the max with a team he won with but chose not to


Giannis and Harden are both realistic trades next summer. If the Knicks continue to play well and finish with the 5th or 6th seed I can see a scenario where we package Randle, Mitch and 3x First Round picks for Giannis and then sign Drummond in free agency to take Mitch’s place at C

Philc1 @ 1/7/2021 7:27 AM
HofstraBBall wrote:
Chandler wrote:
HofstraBBall wrote:
Knixkik wrote:Would you guys trade Randle to New Orleans for Eric Bledsoe? He's going to make 16 mil a year for the next 3 years. He's not ideal, but much better than Payton.

Do not see Bledsoe changing much. If TT can get Randle back to down low presence and play some D, he will add more to our win total than Bledsoe. Imo. Randle is still a young player. He is physical and has a high offensive skill set. He was our top scorer and is tough to stop down low.
Fizdale was more to blame with how bad he looked. Trying to make his a PF was a joke. Feel TT will not let him do that will hopefully push him to play the physical game more.

beldsoe is an underrated defender and player in general IMO.

if team can do what you suggest with Randle that would be great. i would still worry about ball hog nature at times, and IMO low BBIQ. And he better produce because the detriment is the spacing will screw up RJ at a minimum and maybe more.

Think he has shown much higher BB IQ. We now see it was a coaching problem. And a better willingness to play team ball.

Thibs has done a phenomenal job with Randle and ofcourse Randle himself deserves a lot of credit for putting in work

Knixkik @ 1/7/2021 8:26 AM
BigDaddyG wrote:
fishmike wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
foosballnick wrote:
technomaster wrote:Obviously, we need to look at where we are as a team to determine what to do with Randle. With the emergence of Rivers and Quickley, PG may be far less of a need than originally thought.

The ideal player to add to the Knicks team is Kawhi Leonard - a 29 year old 2-way wing that does a lot of things at an elite level. But unless he goes to Ballmer and says he wants out and wants to specifically go to the Knicks, I don't think he'll ever end up here.

Randle is pretty much the ideal age (26) for a young superstar addition and for now, is producing like a $40m max-type player. We're very fortunate to have him at 2 years at basically half that price. He may indeed not be a true #1 option, but I don't see where we find a clear upgrade in the 25-30 age range. You can't really go much older than that, because the rest of the team is basically made of 20-22 year olds that are still finding their games.

The Knicks imho could use a better 3&D SF and PG - Basically we see opportunity for much better play from Bullock/Payton's minutes. I think both of them have fine contracts for what they give - at least we're not overpaying them.

Quickley and Rivers might already be the guys that take over those minutes. The Knicks would have to be comfortable with RJ taking the physical punishment guarding somewhat bigger players at SF.

If we're looking at a more traditional lineup, we probably can get improve at PG with either Quickley/Rivers getting the bulk of the minutes running point, and Frank/Knox/Obi stepping up.

I think what we will probably end up seeing is Randle sticking with the Knicks and some of our young assets moving on for mild upgrades. Plus we have 2 first rounders coming next year.

If Randle stays close to his current output and Mitch can develop any kind of consistent mid-range game, and without any significant injuries, the team can be pretty damn good even without other major additions.

I still think we can Use a stretch big and lonzo ball


Lonzo Ball is trash

I wouldn't call him trash, but I'd rather play IQ than pay a guard of Lonzo's caliber and legitimate stretch center don't grow on trees. I was hoping Omari could fill the niche. Who knows, he still might.

Yeah Lonzo isn’t trash by any means, but I don’t think he moves the needle

NYKBocker @ 1/7/2021 8:28 AM
I hated Randle last year and his spinovers. Now. I have come around. Dude just needed Thibs to unlock his potential. Right now, he is part of the core moving forward.
Knixkik @ 1/7/2021 8:31 AM
technomaster wrote:Obviously, we need to look at where we are as a team to determine what to do with Randle. With the emergence of Rivers and Quickley, PG may be far less of a need than originally thought.

The ideal player to add to the Knicks team is Kawhi Leonard - a 29 year old 2-way wing that does a lot of things at an elite level. But unless he goes to Ballmer and says he wants out and wants to specifically go to the Knicks, I don't think he'll ever end up here.

Randle is pretty much the ideal age (26) for a young superstar addition and for now, is producing like a $40m max-type player. We're very fortunate to have him at 2 years at basically half that price. He may indeed not be a true #1 option, but I don't see where we find a clear upgrade in the 25-30 age range. You can't really go much older than that, because the rest of the team is basically made of 20-22 year olds that are still finding their games.

The Knicks imho could use a better 3&D SF and PG - Basically we see opportunity for much better play from Bullock/Payton's minutes. I think both of them have fine contracts for what they give - at least we're not overpaying them.

Quickley and Rivers might already be the guys that take over those minutes. The Knicks would have to be comfortable with RJ taking the physical punishment guarding somewhat bigger players at SF.

If we're looking at a more traditional lineup, we probably can get improve at PG with either Quickley/Rivers getting the bulk of the minutes running point, and Frank/Knox/Obi stepping up.

I think what we will probably end up seeing is Randle sticking with the Knicks and some of our young assets moving on for mild upgrades. Plus we have 2 first rounders coming next year.

I agree that Quickley and Rivers eventually taking over for Payton and Bullock may be the improvements needed. I originally thought Burks instead of Rivers, which may still be the case, but Rivers offers more playmaking and defense while still providing adequate floor spacing. Burks and Toppin provide a ton of offense off the bench. Between Rivers and Quickley, a PG may not be needed and they probably offer enough playmaking between them to take pressure off of Randle and Barrett. This is assuming Quickley adjusts to the nba game well. Obviously shooting becomes less of a concern too. And Rivers continues to serve as a closer at times.

C Robinson, Randle, Barrett, Rivers, and Quickley with Toppin and Burks leading the bench. We have 7 guys to be really excited about, loads of cap space and multiple first round picks to get better. We are in a really good place even if we don’t add an elite free agent any time soon.

Knixkik @ 1/7/2021 8:32 AM
NYKBocker wrote:I hated Randle last year and his spinovers. Now. I have come around. Dude just needed Thibs to unlock his potential. Right now, he is part of the core moving forward.

I feel the same way.

fishmike @ 1/7/2021 9:11 AM
Knixkik wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
fishmike wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
foosballnick wrote:
technomaster wrote:Obviously, we need to look at where we are as a team to determine what to do with Randle. With the emergence of Rivers and Quickley, PG may be far less of a need than originally thought.

The ideal player to add to the Knicks team is Kawhi Leonard - a 29 year old 2-way wing that does a lot of things at an elite level. But unless he goes to Ballmer and says he wants out and wants to specifically go to the Knicks, I don't think he'll ever end up here.

Randle is pretty much the ideal age (26) for a young superstar addition and for now, is producing like a $40m max-type player. We're very fortunate to have him at 2 years at basically half that price. He may indeed not be a true #1 option, but I don't see where we find a clear upgrade in the 25-30 age range. You can't really go much older than that, because the rest of the team is basically made of 20-22 year olds that are still finding their games.

The Knicks imho could use a better 3&D SF and PG - Basically we see opportunity for much better play from Bullock/Payton's minutes. I think both of them have fine contracts for what they give - at least we're not overpaying them.

Quickley and Rivers might already be the guys that take over those minutes. The Knicks would have to be comfortable with RJ taking the physical punishment guarding somewhat bigger players at SF.

If we're looking at a more traditional lineup, we probably can get improve at PG with either Quickley/Rivers getting the bulk of the minutes running point, and Frank/Knox/Obi stepping up.

I think what we will probably end up seeing is Randle sticking with the Knicks and some of our young assets moving on for mild upgrades. Plus we have 2 first rounders coming next year.

If Randle stays close to his current output and Mitch can develop any kind of consistent mid-range game, and without any significant injuries, the team can be pretty damn good even without other major additions.

I still think we can Use a stretch big and lonzo ball


Lonzo Ball is trash

I wouldn't call him trash, but I'd rather play IQ than pay a guard of Lonzo's caliber and legitimate stretch center don't grow on trees. I was hoping Omari could fill the niche. Who knows, he still might.

Yeah Lonzo isn’t trash by any means, but I don’t think he moves the needle

you guys watch him much? For a PG taken 2nd in the draft he's an absolute bust. He's a role player. Big distributing PG who plays good defense and thats it. Totally unreliable shooter, not a good offensive player and doesnt move the needle AT ALL. He's the last guy you target to bring in here. What does Lonzo do that says "man we should sign that guy" ????
Nalod @ 1/7/2021 10:00 AM

what was are seeing is a team understand Randle’s capabilities. What we are also seeing is what Fiz started, MIller refined and Thibs has furthered it to this level.

Many times I have said that knicks have had good ideas but they were not executed well and thus became failures. Signing Randle was a good idea and we as fans never saw perhaps what others saw AND WHAT WE ARE SEEING NOW!
Its ok to say Mills had a good idea. We safe, he is gone. But there was a vision to signing this kid and a year later we understand Fiz tried but could not do it, Miller did better, and Thibs ran with it and is making it work for now. Maybe thats a great thing that he not install his own ego. But take what he has and then enhance hit.
What Randle is doing LJ could not do as a knicks. Remember the high flying LJ, perhaps Zion 1.0 was a man child also in college and ate up the NBA his first years. He came to us because his back was awful and his contract was just as bad. That and Mase was running around partying with underage girls and was heading into trouble. Let’s not super coat the past. While we are at it remember Ewings issues with the press/fans, Starks got distracted, and the great Spree assaulted his coach, went to his car to get a club and was out of control. It was what it was and on the court was all we care about.
Randle is a healthy kid who has a fantastic motor and has talent that spin issue and refined it to be a weapon. Most of us just figured what ever knicks do is crap. This is not crap.
Maybe Fiz had a hand in it. And MIller, and MIlls and most certainly Thibs and Kenny Payne. This is a “Knicks success” story.
Let’s just enjoy it while it lasts and hope more unimaginable good to come in the future.

martin @ 1/7/2021 10:37 AM
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