I'm rooting for him...he was put in a shit situation last year. Coaching was bad, lost his mother, and actually got booed by horrible Knicks fans. Still, I heard the same thing lar year with Keith Smart and his shot looked even more fucked, so I'm curious to know what makes this guy so different from him.
Nalod@ 11/24/2020 4:58 PM
knicks1248 wrote:
TheGame wrote:It would be great if the kid learned to shoot but I just don’t see it happening. Plus, he still can’t play defense. I would give the kid a month and if he still looks lost, I would just trade him for whatever we can get.
You can say the same for frank, mitch and knox if none of them show any significant progress.
Rainman drawing the line in the sand!
Uptown@ 11/24/2020 7:04 PM
HofstraBBall wrote:
Uptown wrote:I know Dennis aint a very unpopular player here, but I'm rooting for the kid. He's putting in work and hopefully we will see some results this season. For all of his flaws, his athleticism and ability to get into the paint is unmatched by any of the other PG's on this roster. An type of consistency with that Jumper and he would be the clear favorite to win the pg spot....Also, love that he is working with Rauf, one of my all time favorite college basketball players and all time best shooters...
Think he should show fans a bit more this year. If so, he will be more popular. First thing he has to do is leave it all out on the defensive side. He has to have a high motor on the court regardless of the minutes or if he starts. He has to push pace and get guys open looks. My biggest concern is that to be a good shooter you can not think about your mechanics or have any doubt in your mind that the shot is going in. Anyone that is "Working" on their shot does not have either of those things. Especially when its time to play a real game. Add the fact the Knicks just added two starter level PG's. Not exactly a vote of confidence in his mind. Hoping for the best but see a better chance that Rivers, who is coming off a good year and has always had potential, has a better probability of surprising us at the position. In terms of Frank, he has always been solid defensively. Feel that goes a long way for TT who like Dunn in Chicago. feel with TT help he can also make him consistently aggressive. Won't be surprised if he plays him a different positions to take advantage of his ability to guard multiple positions. But I agree with most, if they do not show they can fix their weaknesses, they will both be playing for a different team by mid season.
After Rose got hurt, Thibs won a bunch of games with John Lucas and Nate Robinson running the point. Thibs doesn't mind scoring pgs running the show which is why I think Smith has more than a good chance to get the 1st look at the point.
Welpee@ 11/24/2020 8:01 PM
DSJ has got to be 1st team All-Off Season. I've never seen a player generate so much work out/training camp buzz every year and yield so little when the season starts.
technomaster@ 11/24/2020 8:14 PM
Welpee wrote:DSJ has got to be 1st team All-Off Season. I've never seen a player generate so much work out/training camp buzz every year and yield so little when the season starts.
We also get a bit of the same every year with Ntilikina. Boxing. The ropes. The spin moves breaking the ankles of an invisible foe. At least we get some epic video out of Frank.
I'm rooting for all of our Knicks. Especially for DSJ to do a Derrick Rose impression and dominate... but I'm pretty skeptical.
Allanfan20@ 11/24/2020 8:50 PM
technomaster wrote:
Welpee wrote:DSJ has got to be 1st team All-Off Season. I've never seen a player generate so much work out/training camp buzz every year and yield so little when the season starts.
We also get a bit of the same every year with Ntilikina. Boxing. The ropes. The spin moves breaking the ankles of an invisible foe. At least we get some epic video out of Frank.
I'm rooting for all of our Knicks. Especially for DSJ to do a Derrick Rose impression and dominate... but I'm pretty skeptical.
Add Mitch to that list.
technomaster@ 11/24/2020 9:08 PM
Allanfan20 wrote:
technomaster wrote:
Welpee wrote:DSJ has got to be 1st team All-Off Season. I've never seen a player generate so much work out/training camp buzz every year and yield so little when the season starts.
We also get a bit of the same every year with Ntilikina. Boxing. The ropes. The spin moves breaking the ankles of an invisible foe. At least we get some epic video out of Frank.
I'm rooting for all of our Knicks. Especially for DSJ to do a Derrick Rose impression and dominate... but I'm pretty skeptical.
Add Mitch to that list.
Yeah. Mitch looks like the second coming of the Greek Freak in his videos. At least with Frank and Mitch, we can see some tangible results on the court and some advanced stats that back up their effectiveness/intangibles. DSJ unfortunately didn't show much at all - totally lost year for him.
Welpee@ 11/24/2020 9:28 PM
technomaster wrote:
Welpee wrote:DSJ has got to be 1st team All-Off Season. I've never seen a player generate so much work out/training camp buzz every year and yield so little when the season starts.
We also get a bit of the same every year with Ntilikina. Boxing. The ropes. The spin moves breaking the ankles of an invisible foe. At least we get some epic video out of Frank.
I'm rooting for all of our Knicks. Especially for DSJ to do a Derrick Rose impression and dominate... but I'm pretty skeptical.
Agreed. I certainly root for him too and he seems like a nice kid. However, I don't have a lot of confidence he'll do much more than produce an occasional highlight reel play for the duration of his career.
ESOMKnicks@ 11/25/2020 2:40 AM
Welpee wrote:DSJ has got to be 1st team All-Off Season. I've never seen a player generate so much work out/training camp buzz every year and yield so little when the season starts.
I honestly think his main issue is his health and his back. The guy showed that he is a very good player (though not without shortcomings) in his first two seasons. There was pressure for him to show last year that he was a worthy return on the KP trade, that is why he played while his health conditions suggested he should not have. I do not know where the pressure was coming from - himself, his agent or the Knicks FO - but it was an ugly situation that should not have been brought to that.
Compare with how patient and nurturing Dallas has been with KP.
If Dennis's health is good this season, I am certain he will prove a lot more effective. If not - tough luck. Both for him and for Knicks fans.
Philc1@ 11/25/2020 3:49 AM
TheGame wrote:It would be great if the kid learned to shoot but I just don’t see it happening. Plus, he still can’t play defense. I would give the kid a month and if he still looks lost, I would just trade him for whatever we can get.
Get him off the roster. He has never been a defender or a shooter. He is also a turnover machine.
Philc1@ 11/25/2020 3:51 AM
TheGame wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
TheGame wrote:It would be great if the kid learned to shoot but I just don’t see it happening. Plus, he still can’t play defense. I would give the kid a month and if he still looks lost, I would just trade him for whatever we can get.
You can say the same for frank, mitch and knox if none of them show any significant progress.
The difference is Mitch and Frank at least have one thing their good at -defense, and Knox has shown signs and is younger than all of them. Smith just does not seem to have his head on straight. Not that he is a bad kid but he just does not seem tough minded, and even if he improves his jumper, he still cannot play defense. I just don’t see anyway Smith shows enough to be resigned, so I would just try to get what we can at the trade deadline.
This. Mitch and Frank bring defense. Smith and Knox when on the floor together last season the Knicks -19 in points differential which, yes, is way worse than the team’s overall point differential
If you cannot shoot, play D or even protect the ball your team is going to lose, alot
Welpee@ 11/25/2020 8:29 AM
ESOMKnicks wrote:
Welpee wrote:DSJ has got to be 1st team All-Off Season. I've never seen a player generate so much work out/training camp buzz every year and yield so little when the season starts.
I honestly think his main issue is his health and his back. The guy showed that he is a very good player (though not without shortcomings) in his first two seasons. There was pressure for him to show last year that he was a worthy return on the KP trade, that is why he played while his health conditions suggested he should not have. I do not know where the pressure was coming from - himself, his agent or the Knicks FO - but it was an ugly situation that should not have been brought to that.
Compare with how patient and nurturing Dallas has been with KP.
If Dennis's health is good this season, I am certain he will prove a lot more effective. If not - tough luck. Both for him and for Knicks fans.
DSJ was in that same "patient and nurturing" environment and didn't play winning basketball so I'm not buying the KP reference. Again, highlight real dunks mean nothing to me if it doesn't translate into winning. College or NBA, when has DSJ contributed to team success? At some point you have stop making excuses for the guy and just accept that (when healthy) he's an athletic player who can make exciting plays but doesn't contribute to winning. DRose led a mid-major to the NCAA championship game in college, so we knew it was in him. Who has DSJ ever led to success? He has one last season to change this narrative.
knicks1248@ 11/25/2020 8:52 AM
Welpee wrote:
ESOMKnicks wrote:
Welpee wrote:DSJ has got to be 1st team All-Off Season. I've never seen a player generate so much work out/training camp buzz every year and yield so little when the season starts.
I honestly think his main issue is his health and his back. The guy showed that he is a very good player (though not without shortcomings) in his first two seasons. There was pressure for him to show last year that he was a worthy return on the KP trade, that is why he played while his health conditions suggested he should not have. I do not know where the pressure was coming from - himself, his agent or the Knicks FO - but it was an ugly situation that should not have been brought to that.
Compare with how patient and nurturing Dallas has been with KP.
If Dennis's health is good this season, I am certain he will prove a lot more effective. If not - tough luck. Both for him and for Knicks fans.
DSJ was in that same "patient and nurturing" environment and didn't play winning basketball so I'm not buying the KP reference. Again, highlight real dunks mean nothing to me if it doesn't translate into winning. College or NBA, when has DSJ contributed to team success? At some point you have stop making excuses for the guy and just accept that (when healthy) he's an athletic player who can make exciting plays but doesn't contribute to winning. DRose led a mid-major to the NCAA championship game in college, so we knew it was in him. Who has DSJ ever led to success? He has one last season to change this narrative.
Your environment plays a key role in how you develop a player. How many students at YALE were Raise in the ghetto, or a poor environment. The knicks have develop losers across the board, the culture has been to tank, tank, tank.
The knicks consistently put together BAD teams, players that don't fit, redundant players, role players in starting positions, players that play for $$ more than pride. Everything the franchise is doing contributes to lousy development process and like clock work, they will continue the process this season with a hodge podge roster. No stars, No leaders, Nobody who really cares because they will more than likely not be there the following season.
That's partly why DSJ, frank, knox, mitch, Trier dotson, Iggy, have shown little to growth
KnickDanger@ 11/25/2020 10:36 AM
We're looking at a crucial season to gauge our young players -- particularly Frank, DSJ, and Knox. There has to be some forward progress. Injuries can cloud the picture but if not staying on the court is a pattern that has to be evaluated as well. With Frank my only concern is his health as to whether he can be a solid pro. Beyond that remains to be seen. DSJ and Knox need to show they are not mentally fragile. We'll see.
knicks1248@ 11/25/2020 10:54 AM
Philc1 wrote:
TheGame wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
TheGame wrote:It would be great if the kid learned to shoot but I just don’t see it happening. Plus, he still can’t play defense. I would give the kid a month and if he still looks lost, I would just trade him for whatever we can get.
You can say the same for frank, mitch and knox if none of them show any significant progress.
The difference is Mitch and Frank at least have one thing their good at -defense, and Knox has shown signs and is younger than all of them. Smith just does not seem to have his head on straight. Not that he is a bad kid but he just does not seem tough minded, and even if he improves his jumper, he still cannot play defense. I just don’t see anyway Smith shows enough to be resigned, so I would just try to get what we can at the trade deadline.
This. Mitch and Frank bring defense. Smith and Knox when on the floor together last season the Knicks -19 in points differential which, yes, is way worse than the team’s overall point differential
If you cannot shoot, play D or even protect the ball your team is going to lose, alot
So frank gets a steal, runs down the court and bricks a shot, mitch blocks a shot and air balls a perimeter shot, if you can't capitalize on the stops you do make, what's the purpose.
cooch2584@ 11/25/2020 12:20 PM
I know they are all young,frank dennis and knox but not ont one of them has shown ANY improvement to me.
BigDaddyG@ 11/25/2020 12:27 PM
cooch2584 wrote:I know they are all young,frank dennis and knox but not ont one of them has shown ANY improvement to me.
Frank showed improvement at the tail end. Miller drummed it into his head that he needs to be aggressive and touch the paint. He showed he can at least be a backup.
HofstraBBall@ 11/25/2020 2:11 PM
Welpee wrote:DSJ has got to be 1st team All-Off Season. I've never seen a player generate so much work out/training camp buzz every year and yield so little when the season starts.
Gotta say that when I saw Smith work put videos last year, it seemed like he had not corrected any of the mechanical flaws I felt he had during the previous season. However, reading this article, I was happy to read that Rauf is focussing on the things I felt were ignored. Also liked seeing in his recent work out videos that his hitch and pause at top of his release seem to have disappeared. But like I said, shooting in a gym is not the same as in a game. It is promising though. Hopefully he can help us.
Looks like his old shooting form, before last season. The release looks quick and comfortable. I hope the weight loss doesn't hurt his explosion. Hoping for the best, which is Cade Cunningham, but a DSJ resurgence would be good too
Welpee@ 11/25/2020 2:27 PM
knicks1248 wrote:
Welpee wrote:
ESOMKnicks wrote:
Welpee wrote:DSJ has got to be 1st team All-Off Season. I've never seen a player generate so much work out/training camp buzz every year and yield so little when the season starts.
I honestly think his main issue is his health and his back. The guy showed that he is a very good player (though not without shortcomings) in his first two seasons. There was pressure for him to show last year that he was a worthy return on the KP trade, that is why he played while his health conditions suggested he should not have. I do not know where the pressure was coming from - himself, his agent or the Knicks FO - but it was an ugly situation that should not have been brought to that.
Compare with how patient and nurturing Dallas has been with KP.
If Dennis's health is good this season, I am certain he will prove a lot more effective. If not - tough luck. Both for him and for Knicks fans.
DSJ was in that same "patient and nurturing" environment and didn't play winning basketball so I'm not buying the KP reference. Again, highlight real dunks mean nothing to me if it doesn't translate into winning. College or NBA, when has DSJ contributed to team success? At some point you have stop making excuses for the guy and just accept that (when healthy) he's an athletic player who can make exciting plays but doesn't contribute to winning. DRose led a mid-major to the NCAA championship game in college, so we knew it was in him. Who has DSJ ever led to success? He has one last season to change this narrative.
Your environment plays a key role in how you develop a player. How many students at YALE were Raise in the ghetto, or a poor environment. The knicks have develop losers across the board, the culture has been to tank, tank, tank.
The knicks consistently put together BAD teams, players that don't fit, redundant players, role players in starting positions, players that play for $$ more than pride. Everything the franchise is doing contributes to lousy development process and like clock work, they will continue the process this season with a hodge podge roster. No stars, No leaders, Nobody who really cares because they will more than likely not be there the following season.
That's partly why DSJ, frank, knox, mitch, Trier dotson, Iggy, have shown little to growth
The guy I saw in Dallas (where they developed Luka) wasn't much different than the guy who ended up here. I remember seeing his stats as a rookie and thought we blew it drafting Frank ahead of him...until I got to actually see him play that season. There's a reason why fans on the Dallas message boards were happy to see him go.
And if we were so horrible with player development, how did KP become an all-star? Honestly, I hope he turns it around, but a lot of his red flags are not new and can't be blamed on Knick management.
