Knicks · Knicks should fully pursue Mike Conley this offseason (page 1)

Knixkik @ 1/14/2021 10:30 PM
I’m sick of the struggles at PG and Payton is the icing on the cake. Conley is a former Leon client and would bring stability to the position to go along with consistent 3pt shooting, playmaking and leadership. Quickley can start alongside him if he’s ready and you can have a backcourt with 2 playmaking shooters. Conley is older I get but he will buy time until we determine the long term solution at the position and in the meantime can take this team to playoff caliber if the young crew of Barrett, Mitch, Toppin, Knox and Quickley take a step forward and Randle maintains his level of play long term. Offer him what it takes on a 2 or 3 year deal and take a step forward as a franchise with what seems like a promising foundation of core players and development from the coaching staff.
BigDaddyG @ 1/14/2021 10:59 PM
What are you willing to give up contract wise?
fwk00 @ 1/14/2021 11:22 PM
Will Barton would be on my radar. Simple upgrade. Save Denver some cash. Payton, Harper, Tomic, 2nd rounder -> Barton
Knixkik @ 1/14/2021 11:30 PM
fwk00 wrote:Will Barton would be on my radar. Simple upgrade. Save Denver some cash. Payton, Harper, Tomic, 2nd rounder -> Barton

Is Barton actually an upgrade over Burks?

Knixkik @ 1/14/2021 11:32 PM
BigDaddyG wrote:What are you willing to give up contract wise?

2 years 70 mil? I’ll overpay if it’s a shorter term contract. Money isn’t a factor with the Knicks because they won’t be getting an elite guy to come for less than market value.

fwk00 @ 1/14/2021 11:32 PM
Knixkik wrote:
fwk00 wrote:Will Barton would be on my radar. Simple upgrade. Save Denver some cash. Payton, Harper, Tomic, 2nd rounder -> Barton

Is Barton actually an upgrade over Burks?


We need as many Burks as we can get.
MS @ 1/14/2021 11:36 PM
Conley isn’t a very good anymore.

Better off overpaying Lowry or Dragic on a one year deal.

Or we could have just drafted Halliburton and not worried about pg for 10 years.

Knixkik @ 1/15/2021 12:00 AM
MS wrote:Conley isn’t a very good anymore.

Better off overpaying Lowry or Dragic on a one year deal.

Or we could have just drafted Halliburton and not worried about pg for 10 years.

Conley is having a good year. Was good in the bubble last year. He isn’t an ideal fit next to Mitchell but is still really good. I agree though Lowry and dragic would be fine too but seem less gettable. Haliburton is excelling in a low pressure situation off the bench in Sacramento. He’s been good but we have no idea if he’s better than Toppin or even quickley at this point.

HofstraBBall @ 1/15/2021 11:46 AM
Same ole Knick fan premise. Let's sign some familiar name regardless of age or alignment with our current situation. Conley would be good if we had several pieces in place that can compete for a finals bid. How does he fit with all our Young unproven players who probably have a two to three year timeline at best? And please don't say he can be a mentor.
wargames @ 1/15/2021 12:19 PM
HofstraBBall wrote:Same ole Knick fan premise. Let's sign some familiar name regardless of age or alignment with our current situation. Conley would be good if we had several pieces in place that can compete for a finals bid. How does he fit with all our Young unproven players who probably have a two to three year timeline at best? And please don't say he can be a mentor.

I agree.

BigDaddyG @ 1/15/2021 12:53 PM
HofstraBBall wrote:Same ole Knick fan premise. Let's sign some familiar name regardless of age or alignment with our current situation. Conley would be good if we had several pieces in place that can compete for a finals bid. How does he fit with all our Young unproven players who probably have a two to three year timeline at best? And please don't say he can be a mentor.

The problem I'd have with signing is not his fit with the timeline, but the cost. He's playing well this season and it would take a huge overpay to bring him over. In that scenario, his overall value probably exceeds his worth to us.

TPercy @ 1/15/2021 3:54 PM
HofstraBBall wrote:Same ole Knick fan premise. Let's sign some familiar name regardless of age or alignment with our current situation. Conley would be good if we had several pieces in place that can compete for a finals bid. How does he fit with all our Young unproven players who probably have a two to three year timeline at best? And please don't say he can be a mentor.

We need competent PG play. An ageing Mike Conley on his worst day is still far far better than Frank, Payton and DSJ combined. If we don’t get a competent guard in the draft then pursuing one in FA is the highest priority and it’s not really up for discussion IMO. Our younglings, particularly Toppin and Robinson, need better high PGs who can get them the ball in the right spots and help them improve. Moving forward with the likes of Payton means stunting their growth so I’m prepared to give guys like Lowry and Conleyvery handsome short term deals if it comes to that.

MS @ 1/15/2021 6:55 PM
How is Halliburton excelling in a low pressure situation? There are no fans and the Knicks have no expectations.

He’s averaging 12.7pts 5.7ass on 54% from the field, 52% from three and only 1.7tos, which is at
The top of the league for assist to turnover. Halliburton has the 39th best PER in the nba right now.

Obi needs to be special to justify passing on him, meaning 20pts or be a guy piece in a trade to get us a star.

HofstraBBall @ 1/15/2021 8:26 PM
TPercy wrote:
HofstraBBall wrote:Same ole Knick fan premise. Let's sign some familiar name regardless of age or alignment with our current situation. Conley would be good if we had several pieces in place that can compete for a finals bid. How does he fit with all our Young unproven players who probably have a two to three year timeline at best? And please don't say he can be a mentor.

We need competent PG play. An ageing Mike Conley on his worst day is still far far better than Frank, Payton and DSJ combined. If we don’t get a competent guard in the draft then pursuing one in FA is the highest priority and it’s not really up for discussion IMO. Our younglings, particularly Toppin and Robinson, need better high PGs who can get them the ball in the right spots and help them improve. Moving forward with the likes of Payton means stunting their growth so I’m prepared to give guys like Lowry and Conleyvery handsome short term deals if it comes to that.

You can say we need this and we need that but why are we talking Conley? How do we get him? What do we give up? This is all fantasy talk and its not gonna happen. And lets say it did. Who exactly will Conley be passing the ball to? Are biggest issue is consistent 3pt shooting. Imo, Quick is showing that he may be a solid PG. Payton is what he is suppose to be. Solid low level option that we needed. Until we have several other solid pieces, getting guys like Conley who is towards the end of his career does not make any sense.

BigDaddyG @ 1/15/2021 8:32 PM
HofstraBBall wrote:
TPercy wrote:
HofstraBBall wrote:Same ole Knick fan premise. Let's sign some familiar name regardless of age or alignment with our current situation. Conley would be good if we had several pieces in place that can compete for a finals bid. How does he fit with all our Young unproven players who probably have a two to three year timeline at best? And please don't say he can be a mentor.

We need competent PG play. An ageing Mike Conley on his worst day is still far far better than Frank, Payton and DSJ combined. If we don’t get a competent guard in the draft then pursuing one in FA is the highest priority and it’s not really up for discussion IMO. Our younglings, particularly Toppin and Robinson, need better high PGs who can get them the ball in the right spots and help them improve. Moving forward with the likes of Payton means stunting their growth so I’m prepared to give guys like Lowry and Conleyvery handsome short term deals if it comes to that.

You can say we need this and we need that but why are we talking Conley? How do we get him? What do we give up? This is all fantasy talk and its not gonna happen. And lets say it did. Who exactly will Conley be passing the ball to? Are biggest issue is consistent 3pt shooting. Imo, Quick is showing that he may be a solid PG. Payton is what he is suppose to be. Solid low level option that we needed. Until we have several other solid pieces, getting guys like Conley who is towards the end of his career does not make any sense.


Getting Conley would be like add 20 inch rims and spinners on a beat down Cutlass Supreme.
TPercy @ 1/15/2021 9:03 PM
HofstraBBall wrote:
TPercy wrote:
HofstraBBall wrote:Same ole Knick fan premise. Let's sign some familiar name regardless of age or alignment with our current situation. Conley would be good if we had several pieces in place that can compete for a finals bid. How does he fit with all our Young unproven players who probably have a two to three year timeline at best? And please don't say he can be a mentor.

We need competent PG play. An ageing Mike Conley on his worst day is still far far better than Frank, Payton and DSJ combined. If we don’t get a competent guard in the draft then pursuing one in FA is the highest priority and it’s not really up for discussion IMO. Our younglings, particularly Toppin and Robinson, need better high PGs who can get them the ball in the right spots and help them improve. Moving forward with the likes of Payton means stunting their growth so I’m prepared to give guys like Lowry and Conleyvery handsome short term deals if it comes to that.

You can say we need this and we need that but why are we talking Conley? How do we get him? What do we give up? This is all fantasy talk and its not gonna happen. And lets say it did. Who exactly will Conley be passing the ball to? Are biggest issue is consistent 3pt shooting. Imo, Quick is showing that he may be a solid PG. Payton is what he is suppose to be. Solid low level option that we needed. Until we have several other solid pieces, getting guys like Conley who is towards the end of his career does not make any sense.

Why are we acting like Conley isn’t a feasible target? He’s an FA this coming summer. We have significant cap space so we can afford him. It comes down to whether or not he’d sign here but we’d be able to give him $$ and a chance to help a rebuilding team. Also, almost every team has a competent lead guard but us so the market might be small for him idk but he’s definitely attainable.

You say our biggest issue is consistent 3pt shooting and Conley has been shooting around 36-37+ for the past 3 seasons and is averaging well over 40%+ this season. He’d be the best 3pt shooter we’ve had in years at the PG spot. Think about that.

More importantly, he is a significant upgrade over every single PG on this roster.I like quicks a lot but is he a lead PG? I’m not sure about that. As I said before, the pg position is critical for the team success whether it’s team development or adding wins so if this opportunity presents itself in a Mike Conley or Kyle Lowry(preferably on a short term deal), then pay up.

Knixkik @ 1/15/2021 9:46 PM
BigDaddyG wrote:
HofstraBBall wrote:
TPercy wrote:
HofstraBBall wrote:Same ole Knick fan premise. Let's sign some familiar name regardless of age or alignment with our current situation. Conley would be good if we had several pieces in place that can compete for a finals bid. How does he fit with all our Young unproven players who probably have a two to three year timeline at best? And please don't say he can be a mentor.

We need competent PG play. An ageing Mike Conley on his worst day is still far far better than Frank, Payton and DSJ combined. If we don’t get a competent guard in the draft then pursuing one in FA is the highest priority and it’s not really up for discussion IMO. Our younglings, particularly Toppin and Robinson, need better high PGs who can get them the ball in the right spots and help them improve. Moving forward with the likes of Payton means stunting their growth so I’m prepared to give guys like Lowry and Conleyvery handsome short term deals if it comes to that.

You can say we need this and we need that but why are we talking Conley? How do we get him? What do we give up? This is all fantasy talk and its not gonna happen. And lets say it did. Who exactly will Conley be passing the ball to? Are biggest issue is consistent 3pt shooting. Imo, Quick is showing that he may be a solid PG. Payton is what he is suppose to be. Solid low level option that we needed. Until we have several other solid pieces, getting guys like Conley who is towards the end of his career does not make any sense.


Getting Conley would be like add 20 inch rims and spinners on a beat down Cutlass Supreme.

You can’t instantly become a contender. You need to get better first. This would be a move that makes the Knicks better.

GustavBahler @ 1/17/2021 10:19 AM
Knixkik wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:What are you willing to give up contract wise?

2 years 70 mil? I’ll overpay if it’s a shorter term contract. Money isn’t a factor with the Knicks because they won’t be getting an elite guy to come for less than market value.

Im in for a veteran PG, but not for that much. Better use of cap space would be a deeper bench, and a good stopgap PG. We also need another big off the bench.

Nalod @ 1/17/2021 10:38 AM
I had a 1975 low mileage Cutlass Supreme with the less than desirable 260 Cu inch motor. While not the fastest, especially in the big body era still (Olds/GM downsized models in ‘78) it was decent on gas and never game me any problems. Sold it with like 95k miles on it.
this was in 1978. had the car 4years. Had a nice sound system for its day (Pioneer head unit with separate 4 channel amp!!).

Why say all this? Get the nice car when it has low miles on it. Pay up and enjoy the benefits. While old cars are very popular and pretty to look at they ride like shit compared to new models.

friend of mine got a really nice 7 series BMW, high miles but it was mint. He could not believe how he could pay 32k for a car that new costs $110,000. I asked him if he priced out tires, breaks, etc. He said “how bad can it be”. Granted, I’m a car guy and I have done many configurations over the years. Not trail and error. I knew what I was walking into.
Told my buddy.......You got a great car for a great price but no matter what you paid for it it is still a $110,000 car to service/repair. Two years later he dumped crying to me how expensive it was for him.

The point: Older players are expensive and unless your going to use them sparingly or have a short window of being contenders its best to keep building a base of talent. Even if it hurts.

doomed @ 1/17/2021 10:40 PM
MS wrote:How is Halliburton excelling in a low pressure situation? There are no fans and the Knicks have no expectations.

He’s averaging 12.7pts 5.7ass on 54% from the field, 52% from three and only 1.7tos, which is at
The top of the league for assist to turnover. Halliburton has the 39th best PER in the nba right now.

Obi needs to be special to justify passing on him, meaning 20pts or be a guy piece in a trade to get us a star.

In case you forgot we drafted a PG named Quickley and he’s playing very well. If the Knicks draft Halliburton over obi they likely don’t draft IQ. Move on.

ramtour420 @ 1/18/2021 12:02 AM
Nalod wrote:I had a 1975 low mileage Cutlass Supreme with the less than desirable 260 Cu inch motor. While not the fastest, especially in the big body era still (Olds/GM downsized models in ‘78) it was decent on gas and never game me any problems. Sold it with like 95k miles on it.
this was in 1978. had the car 4years. Had a nice sound system for its day (Pioneer head unit with separate 4 channel amp!!).

Why say all this? Get the nice car when it has low miles on it. Pay up and enjoy the benefits. While old cars are very popular and pretty to look at they ride like shit compared to new models.

friend of mine got a really nice 7 series BMW, high miles but it was mint. He could not believe how he could pay 32k for a car that new costs $110,000. I asked him if he priced out tires, breaks, etc. He said “how bad can it be”. Granted, I’m a car guy and I have done many configurations over the years. Not trail and error. I knew what I was walking into.
Told my buddy.......You got a great car for a great price but no matter what you paid for it it is still a $110,000 car to service/repair. Two years later he dumped crying to me how expensive it was for him.

The point: Older players are expensive and unless your going to use them sparingly or have a short window of being contenders its best to keep building a base of talent. Even if it hurts.

Oh man, that was my first car, an Oldsmobile Cutlass. The year also looks about right. Bought it for $500 from some guy in Howard Beach in the early 2000's. That motor really was too small for the tank of a car that it is.

Totally with you on the old vs. new players tho. +1

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