Projecting out a bit, I see 2024 as a big free agent year. I know it's a long ways away, but Devin Booker (CAA and Kentucky), Karl Towns (CAA and Kentucky) and Jaylen Brown will all be UFA's and 27-28 years old. Rose should make his moves with that class in mind. So if he signs free agents this year to 3- year deals or extends some current players to 2024 than that would be fine. Focus on true culture change and becoming a good team with a solid foundation of players for the next 3 years. Barrett, Quickley, Randle, Robinson, Toppin, and 2 more first round picks this year, plus future picks.
Barrett, Quickley, Toppin, and the future rookies will all be on rookie deals for the duration. Barrett can be extended but still only have a 14 mil cap hit. Toppin will only be 7 mil and Quickley 4 mil. Extend Robinson this summer for 3 years so 2024 is the end of his contract. Randle is the only complicated one, but let's say he got 4 years 25 mil. At that point in time the Knicks could still possibly squeeze 2 free agents into cap with some maneuverability or 1 plus have plenty of left-over to fill out the roster comfortably.
C Towns
PF Randle
SF Barrett
SG Booker
PG Quickley
or
C Robinson
PF Randle
SF Barrett
SG Booker
PG Quickley
3 or 4 Kentucky guys in the line-up. This is after-all a main reason this front office and coaching staff is in place, to convince these guys to eventually come, once the culture change is well-established.
Players do extend more than go FA. That said a player that wants out has leverage and this is why you need trade fodder.
I dont think they are ever going to pair KAT/Thibs together. Pretty sure that was a toxic mix.
I do think Booker is possible with a lot of draft capitol going out. Hard to envision a deal that doesnt cost you guys like IQ tho
Martin can you change the title to "Hear". It was early and now i'm embarrassed.
fishmike wrote:I dont think they are ever going to pair KAT/Thibs together. Pretty sure that was a toxic mix.I do think Booker is possible with a lot of draft capitol going out. Hard to envision a deal that doesnt cost you guys like IQ tho
Yeah I knew the Thibs/KAT thing would get brought up. I don't see it happening but given the connection to the rest of the staff, I wouldn't be surprised if they fixed their differences at some point. That's if KAT changes his game as he gets older. Right now he's an empty stats player who's style of play and lack of improvements have caught up with him. It seems like forever ago he was viewed as the best young player in the league. As for Booker, I think he's a guy we most likely end up with at some point. Phoenix is playing well and Booker is learning to win alongside Chris Paul, but in 3 years Chris Paul will be probably done and Booker will be looking at a different situation in Phx.
C Robinson PF Randle SF Barrett SG Booker PG Quickley is something I would bet on.
Players mature and perhaps (AKA: MAYBE) KAT looks back as have others to understand what Thibs wanted and with maturity comes mental strength. We are shortsighte to not at the very least consider a players growth as a person and as a player. That said to risk mulitgnerational wealth to injury is something few players are willing to undertake. Kudo's to Lebron who took a popularity and did FOUR TIMES!!! KD now twice. Like them or not have to respoect they put winning above money. Not to say they did not get it, but the took a risk and controled thier career.
That said for somebody to want to be here they have to take a risk of injury.
If the plan for free agency isn't 2024 with those guys, it could be 2022 for LaVine or Beal. That's the same idea only speeding things along a bit, although i think getting either one of them eliminates the interest in Booker, who i always felt was the top guy given the CAA/Kentucky connection. Moreso than KAT who obviously had a tough time with Thibs.
Beal, LaVine, or Booker. Any of them would plug in nicely in a lineup at the SG alongside Mitch, Randle, Barrett, and Quickley.
Knixkik wrote:Projecting out a bit, I see 2024 as a big free agent year. I know it's a long ways away, but Devin Booker (CAA and Kentucky), Karl Towns (CAA and Kentucky) and Jaylen Brown will all be UFA's and 27-28 years old. Rose should make his moves with that class in mind. So if he signs free agents this year to 3- year deals or extends some current players to 2024 than that would be fine. Focus on true culture change and becoming a good team with a solid foundation of players for the next 3 years. Barrett, Quickley, Randle, Robinson, Toppin, and 2 more first round picks this year, plus future picks. Barrett, Quickley, Toppin, and the future rookies will all be on rookie deals for the duration. Barrett can be extended but still only have a 14 mil cap hit. Toppin will only be 7 mil and Quickley 4 mil. Extend Robinson this summer for 3 years so 2024 is the end of his contract. Randle is the only complicated one, but let's say he got 4 years 25 mil. At that point in time the Knicks could still possibly squeeze 2 free agents into cap with some maneuverability or 1 plus have plenty of left-over to fill out the roster comfortably.
C Towns
PF Randle
SF Barrett
SG Booker
PG Quickley
or
C Robinson
PF Randle
SF Barrett
SG Booker
PG Quickley
3 or 4 Kentucky guys in the line-up. This is after-all a main reason this front office and coaching staff is in place, to convince these guys to eventually come, once the culture change is well-established.
I really hope it doesn't take 4 more seasons for us to be legitimate contenders. As much as I like the way we are playing heading for a pick in the late lottery or even 15 or 16 is not helping us take the next step. Until we find that number 1 option we will spin our wheels
Jmpasq wrote:Knixkik wrote:Projecting out a bit, I see 2024 as a big free agent year. I know it's a long ways away, but Devin Booker (CAA and Kentucky), Karl Towns (CAA and Kentucky) and Jaylen Brown will all be UFA's and 27-28 years old. Rose should make his moves with that class in mind. So if he signs free agents this year to 3- year deals or extends some current players to 2024 than that would be fine. Focus on true culture change and becoming a good team with a solid foundation of players for the next 3 years. Barrett, Quickley, Randle, Robinson, Toppin, and 2 more first round picks this year, plus future picks. Barrett, Quickley, Toppin, and the future rookies will all be on rookie deals for the duration. Barrett can be extended but still only have a 14 mil cap hit. Toppin will only be 7 mil and Quickley 4 mil. Extend Robinson this summer for 3 years so 2024 is the end of his contract. Randle is the only complicated one, but let's say he got 4 years 25 mil. At that point in time the Knicks could still possibly squeeze 2 free agents into cap with some maneuverability or 1 plus have plenty of left-over to fill out the roster comfortably.
C Towns
PF Randle
SF Barrett
SG Booker
PG Quickley
or
C Robinson
PF Randle
SF Barrett
SG Booker
PG Quickley
3 or 4 Kentucky guys in the line-up. This is after-all a main reason this front office and coaching staff is in place, to convince these guys to eventually come, once the culture change is well-established.
I really hope it doesn't take 4 more seasons for us to be legitimate contenders. As much as I like the way we are playing heading for a pick in the late lottery or even 15 or 16 is not helping us take the next step. Until we find that number 1 option we will spin our wheels
It’s hard to conceive of the Knicks being able to compete against LAL or LAC in less than 4 without some really incredible set of facts. Even if they signed the top 2 free agents this coming offseason and won the draft lottery and draft Cade Cunningham, not sure they are there against the depth these superfriend teams...
Marc Gasol for instance would be the centerpiece of NY were he here. There, he’s kind of just a supporting cast member.
I think the 4 year thing is acknowledging our kids need to develop in order to draw free agents while recognizing the free agent pool lacks depth these days based on the benefits of extending with original teams.
Think of it like this. Kawhi has LAC in decent shape, but head to head with LAL, I’m betting on LAL in a best of 7. Add Kawhi and the next best FA and the #1 draft pick to this team... are we beating LAL this year after they add another 10mm ex All-Star? Or if they break the bank for Beal...
Cade
Barrett
Leonard
Randle
Drummond
You winning it all with this next year? Top teams now have 3 top 10 players. You get Leonard and Antekoumpo and maybe you are competitive 2 years with the right supporting cast...
Zion is coming to NY when he becomes a free agent
to join his buddy RJ.
KNICKSBIGCATS wrote:Zion is coming to NY when he becomes a free agent
to join his buddy RJ.
We can only hope, although I have to believe he signs his big contract first. So then the question becomes, when he's 27-28 years old how much does a player like Zion have left in the tank?
Knicks just need to build a team and not count on this or that free agent name to sign as a free agent. Once upon a time the Knicks drafted well and kept their homegrown players then they traded for supporting pieces. The odds of a good free agent signing with the knicks improves as the knicks improve. The Knicks should always have a roster of good players on tradable contracts because that will make it easier to either clear cap room or make a deal.
Do: Build a competitive team with reasonable contracts.
Don't: Gut the team and tank.
You guys can keep saying it won’t happen. Giannis pretty soon will want out of Milwaukee
We have the assets
