Knicks · Wonder who in the Knicks camp wanted Halliburton over Toppin? (page 2)

Uptown wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

martin wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Hes the guy we needed

To be fair, I do agree with you and would have LOVED and wanted a draft of both IQ/Hali

Time will tell on this one

I believe Obi will pan out. If that ends up being the case, would rather draft a quality big, and a potential PG of the future. Avoid a "QB controversy" like with Jackson and Strickland, way back when.

The good ole days when we actually had 2 great point guards

Who didnt want to be "Robin". Which forced the FO to trade one of them.

GustavBahler wrote:

Uptown wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

martin wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Hes the guy we needed

To be fair, I do agree with you and would have LOVED and wanted a draft of both IQ/Hali

Time will tell on this one

I believe Obi will pan out. If that ends up being the case, would rather draft a quality big, and a potential PG of the future. Avoid a "QB controversy" like with Jackson and Strickland, way back when.

The good ole days when we actually had 2 great point guards

Who didnt want to be "Robin". Which forced the FO to trade one of them.

I still havent gotten over the Strickland trade...lol. Worse case scenario, you have two valuable assets that you can trade.

BRIGGS wrote:Hes the guy we needed

Haliburton isn't physically ready for the NBA!! I'll take Quickley instead.

Uptown wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Uptown wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

martin wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Hes the guy we needed

To be fair, I do agree with you and would have LOVED and wanted a draft of both IQ/Hali

Time will tell on this one

I believe Obi will pan out. If that ends up being the case, would rather draft a quality big, and a potential PG of the future. Avoid a "QB controversy" like with Jackson and Strickland, way back when.

The good ole days when we actually had 2 great point guards

Who didnt want to be "Robin". Which forced the FO to trade one of them.

I still havent gotten over the Strickland trade...lol. Worse case scenario, you have two valuable assets that you can trade.

It was fun for a while. I remember that promo they did for MSG. It ended with Mark and Rod squaring off on the court like they were about to go one on one. Remember wishing I could see who would win.

If by the end of the season it looks pretty clear that Quickley is starting material. Id rather see the FO overpay a little for a veteran PG off the bench, who understands his role. Who is a good influence on the bench. Draft 3pt shooters, scoring bigs. We have two of the best defensive bigs in the league, in Mitch and Noel.

HofstraBBall wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Hes the guy we needed

Haliburton isn't physically ready for the NBA!! I'll take Quickley instead.

what's weird is Woods has the same skinny stature and probably isn't ready for the NBA either

Haliburton was my original top choice. These scouts who say his shot wouldn’t translate just overthink things way too much. He was clearly an nba 3pt shooter. His range was deep and his shot was repeatable and smooth. The funny form doesn’t matter.

martin wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Hes the guy we needed

Haliburton isn't physically ready for the NBA!! I'll take Quickley instead.

what's weird is Woods has the same skinny stature and probably isn't ready for the NBA either

Lol. Haliburton has an ugly shot. Reminds me of Kevin Martin and Shawn Marion ugly.
It's amazing how the Knicks got the biggest surprise in the draft thus far yet some fans are still talking about what could have been. But we are talking bout Briggs.

Brehs we got to stop being miserable over the Knicks dumb moves. They will never not make a dumb as hell move.

Jmpasq wrote:

Chandler wrote:Obi hasn't had a chance to get a rhythm. He will. and then Briggs sill fall in love and dump Woods

I have my doubts. I see a player with no position. No hope in guarding on the perimeter and no hope of defending centers in the paint. Im still very confused what they saw in him.

Can't figure what they saw, and its been driving me crazy...

I was too preoccupied with politics to do a deep dive into the last draft...but when I did, I liked Haliburton a lot, even though I still had hope for Frank at the time, and knew Haliburton would compete for time against him and probably beat him out.

I didn't see Obi as a special player when I looked at clips of him. Seems like a good guy, and I liked the idea that he wanted to come here, but I saw few moves on the offensive end, other than dunks. Still...many saw him falling into our laps as lucky.

His 2pt FG% at Dayton- 68% & 70% (rounded) tell you what his game was all about. Those are Mitch Robinson numbers, and we know how limited his offensive game is. When you get an older player, you expect more polish from day 1. I've been stunned by how raw his game seems to be, especially his lack of skill in the paint.

Everybody told us his D was suspect, and it is, but I was willing to put up with that if we got an upper echelon offensive talent. Guess what, he isn't...not even close.

Not sure what kind of competition he played against in college, but I expect he beat up on players less physically talented than him...and now he's going up against guys he can't bully.

The ONLY thing that makes taking Obi palatable is that we got IQ, but Haliburton seems like a very good all around player, and having him and Barrett at the 1&2 would have had us set for the next 10 yrs in the backcourt, and we still could've taken IQ as a combo guard when we did.

This was the first draft of a new front office team, and not taking the right player at 8, after all the other missed opportunities we have recently seen when we draft around this slot, is not a good sign...sorry.

martin wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Hes the guy we needed

Haliburton isn't physically ready for the NBA!! I'll take Quickley instead.

what's weird is Woods has the same skinny stature and probably isn't ready for the NBA either

Didn't Briggs want Isiah Thomas at one point -- you now poster child of physically ready?

Obi will pan out. Has a nice stroke. Attacks the rim. And he has high energy and a good head. Half or more of D is effort and he'll bring that.

right now he has no rhythm. he's parked on the perimeter launching bombs. he needs to run. He needs some PnR.

Right now Julius is playing out of this world so of course Obi is getting little burn, but he will deliver.

My guess with Toppin
In almost every facet the Knicks were done with Randle. Im not sure they even wanted Randle to take the court for them this year and likely searched to get rid of him. They drafted Toppin to START 4 man or something very close.
Randle comes back a different player --a great player as good as the Knicks have had in 10 years at least. All of a sudden conundrum---Obi doesnt have the time they thought he had and now its nearly impossible to get him more than 10-14 minutes. But I cant imagine Randle going anywhere anytime soon. So Obi is gonna need to develop as both a 5 and a back up 4 to make a material mark as a top 7 pick.

BRIGGS wrote:Hes the guy we needed

You would of had us draft Nesmith! Have you changed your mind from the little we've seen of him?

I take solace in that when we draft Cade Cunningham with the 1st overall pick, then the backcourt would have been overloaded with IQ, Haliburton and Cade (though what a trio that would have been!)

But yeah, a lot of us were high on Haliburton early and seemed to get talked out of it with all the draft analysis that said he wasn't;t athletic enough to drive to the hoop or be a primary ball handler etc and that his shot wouldn't translate etc. I was never a fan of the Obi pick, but I'll wait until he's had a proper offseason to develop- very few rookies are at their best at the moment, they've really missed out not having summer league or an offseason with the team that drafted them, and with reduced practices.

Obi has played in 13 games. Shaggy had years to work on his running technique.

I’m still not that high on TH he looks injury prone and his shot is ugly .... teams aren’t focused on him when they do he’ll have to adjust.... I’d take quick over TH. I’m not worried about Obi, he’s going to be very good just needs to get more minutes and get into a flow.

fitzfarm wrote:I’m still not that high on TH he looks injury prone and his shot is ugly .... teams aren’t focused on him when they do he’ll have to adjust.... I’d take quick over TH. I’m not worried about Obi, he’s going to be very good just needs to get more minutes and get into a flow.

I would definitely take Quickley over Haliburton for sure. Haliburton is the jack of all trades role player. Quickley has dynamic scoring and playmaking ability that suggests a higher ceiling. Obi will be fine, but he eventually needs some time alongside Randle, and i'm not sure Thibs wants a non-shotblocker at center. He clearly likes the Robinson/Noel combo.

Nalod wrote:Obi has played in 13 games. Shaggy had years to work on his running technique.

Still fuckin cracks me up

I wonder if the Portland Trailblazers fans complained as much when they drafted CJ McCollum. Drafted at age 22 and was the #10 pick. Averaged 5 and 7 points a game on about 13 and 15 minutes for first 2 seasons playing behind the likes of a healthy Wes Matthews.

In his 3rd year he exploded.

martin wrote:I wonder if the Portland Trailblazers fans complained as much when they drafted CJ McCollum. Drafted at age 22 and was the #10 pick. Averaged 5 and 7 points a game on about 13 and 15 minutes for first 2 seasons playing behind the likes of a healthy Wes Matthews.

In his 3rd year he exploded.

man thats a great compare.. I also think he fell after getting hurt his senior year? Could be wrong about that, but he was pretty polished 4 year player coming out of school. 3rd year he started and has been a walking bucket ever since

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