Knicks · Barrett is quietly emerging (page 2)

Knixkik @ 2/28/2021 6:08 PM
martin wrote:
foosballnick wrote:
martin wrote:
joec32033 wrote:Barrett is my favorite player in this team. I love his style. But he NEEDS to finish better at the rim, and learn to close out games. He has missed several key shots this season. Also needs to get more consistent.

It's the consistency and decision-making that still make me scratch my head and go more pessimistic than most.

There are so many fast breaks where he puts his head down, clearly with the blinders on, and goes right at defender instead of making the simple pass to teammate for a very make-able bucket. I am going to try to dunk on Myles Turner, one of the best shot blockers in the league, instead of making this easy pass.

Or, literally WFT was that pass, multiple times a game. I get the young guy, almost rookie player, still 20 years old. But WTF with the passing/decision making.

And he can get hot from 3, and then also get another pass while wide open and not hit the rim. I don't even know what that is.

IMHO Barrett will never have a shooters touch. He will grind the hell out of his shooting form and make it mechanically better, but never a natural, instinctive, sweet shot.

Clutch? Hit some free throws at end of game when it counts. At least one of them.

Almost every player in the league makes wtf plays. You seem to be holding RJ to a higher standard while perhaps ignoring the flaws in other players.

?

When the discussion is about Barrett, what does statement "ignoring the flaws of other players" have to do with anything? I am literally talking about RJ and you want me to... discuss other players flaws?

Let's be realistic: RJ, given his age, has probably been in the top 1% of having been coached and exposed to higher levels of play at his age bracket for all kids at 20 years old who are slated for the NBA. His father was a pro player, he has been on the pre-NBA and international circuit for his whole life, and he has had a pro shooting coach for at least 2 off seasons (Hanson, regarded as one of the best). All things that 95+% of kids capable of getting to this level don't have.

The decision making he is executing shouldn't even come into question IMHO, they should be more natural and instinctive at this point of his pro lifecycle.

I've just never seen a player, when so wide open, miss the rim as much as he does. I don't even know how to fathom that

RJ is getting better and doing things he was not good at last year but he should be miles ahead of where he is IMO

He’s shooting 46% from 3pt over the last 20 games or so.

martin @ 2/28/2021 6:46 PM
Knixkik wrote:
martin wrote:
foosballnick wrote:
martin wrote:
joec32033 wrote:Barrett is my favorite player in this team. I love his style. But he NEEDS to finish better at the rim, and learn to close out games. He has missed several key shots this season. Also needs to get more consistent.

It's the consistency and decision-making that still make me scratch my head and go more pessimistic than most.

There are so many fast breaks where he puts his head down, clearly with the blinders on, and goes right at defender instead of making the simple pass to teammate for a very make-able bucket. I am going to try to dunk on Myles Turner, one of the best shot blockers in the league, instead of making this easy pass.

Or, literally WFT was that pass, multiple times a game. I get the young guy, almost rookie player, still 20 years old. But WTF with the passing/decision making.

And he can get hot from 3, and then also get another pass while wide open and not hit the rim. I don't even know what that is.

IMHO Barrett will never have a shooters touch. He will grind the hell out of his shooting form and make it mechanically better, but never a natural, instinctive, sweet shot.

Clutch? Hit some free throws at end of game when it counts. At least one of them.

Almost every player in the league makes wtf plays. You seem to be holding RJ to a higher standard while perhaps ignoring the flaws in other players.

?

When the discussion is about Barrett, what does statement "ignoring the flaws of other players" have to do with anything? I am literally talking about RJ and you want me to... discuss other players flaws?

Let's be realistic: RJ, given his age, has probably been in the top 1% of having been coached and exposed to higher levels of play at his age bracket for all kids at 20 years old who are slated for the NBA. His father was a pro player, he has been on the pre-NBA and international circuit for his whole life, and he has had a pro shooting coach for at least 2 off seasons (Hanson, regarded as one of the best). All things that 95+% of kids capable of getting to this level don't have.

The decision making he is executing shouldn't even come into question IMHO, they should be more natural and instinctive at this point of his pro lifecycle.

I've just never seen a player, when so wide open, miss the rim as much as he does. I don't even know how to fathom that

RJ is getting better and doing things he was not good at last year but he should be miles ahead of where he is IMO

He’s shooting 46% from 3pt over the last 20 games or so.

Yeah, I don't even know what to make of it. Knicks have played 34 games and his 3pt% for the season is 34%.

EwingsGlass @ 2/28/2021 7:18 PM
martin wrote:
foosballnick wrote:
martin wrote:
joec32033 wrote:Barrett is my favorite player in this team. I love his style. But he NEEDS to finish better at the rim, and learn to close out games. He has missed several key shots this season. Also needs to get more consistent.

It's the consistency and decision-making that still make me scratch my head and go more pessimistic than most.

There are so many fast breaks where he puts his head down, clearly with the blinders on, and goes right at defender instead of making the simple pass to teammate for a very make-able bucket. I am going to try to dunk on Myles Turner, one of the best shot blockers in the league, instead of making this easy pass.

Or, literally WFT was that pass, multiple times a game. I get the young guy, almost rookie player, still 20 years old. But WTF with the passing/decision making.

And he can get hot from 3, and then also get another pass while wide open and not hit the rim. I don't even know what that is.

IMHO Barrett will never have a shooters touch. He will grind the hell out of his shooting form and make it mechanically better, but never a natural, instinctive, sweet shot.

Clutch? Hit some free throws at end of game when it counts. At least one of them.

Almost every player in the league makes wtf plays. You seem to be holding RJ to a higher standard while perhaps ignoring the flaws in other players.

?

When the discussion is about Barrett, what does statement "ignoring the flaws of other players" have to do with anything? I am literally talking about RJ and you want me to... discuss other players flaws?

Let's be realistic: RJ, given his age, has probably been in the top 1% of having been coached and exposed to higher levels of play at his age bracket for all kids at 20 years old who are slated for the NBA. His father was a pro player, he has been on the pre-NBA and international circuit for his whole life, and he has had a pro shooting coach for at least 2 off seasons (Hanson, regarded as one of the best). All things that 95+% of kids capable of getting to this level don't have.

The decision making he is executing shouldn't even come into question IMHO, they should be more natural and instinctive at this point of his pro lifecycle.

I've just never seen a player, when so wide open, miss the rim as much as he does. I don't even know how to fathom that

RJ is getting better and doing things he was not good at last year but he should be miles ahead of where he is IMO

All flaws matter?

jskinny35 @ 2/28/2021 7:47 PM
martin wrote:Challenge the best shot blocker at the rim or pass off to a teammate for an easier basket must be a year 3 developmental decision-making thing?

Martin - for all your support for Randle - where was he when he was 20? RJ this year has been widely inconsistent but also plays solid defense and usually tries to make the right play. Yes there have been times when he made poor decisions (missing a teammate) but so has spinover Randle - remember last year how many times Randle did that? Even with a lot of improvement Randle still has his moments.

Tunnel vision for both of them I say! For me, the most comforting thing is already knows how to score without relying on athleticism - he could likely plan many years without losing much as he's not exceptionally fast, quick and/or a jumping jack. The most concerning - his shot/form clearly still needs a lot of work to show the consistency needed to be a better shooter. I'm still high on him because he seems like he really wants to be great - all you can ask for IMO.

Here's what I hope for...
RJ in year 1 - show that there is potential/talent worth developing/investing in = check!
RJ in year 2 - improve shooting, free throws and willingness to do more then rely on offensive = still erratic but getting there!
RJ in year 3 - increase offensive efficiency/consistency, tighten up his handle, improve decision-making = we'll have to wait and see

Best case - J. Butler type in that he leads but isn't super consistent from outside. Does all the little things and models how to play hard.

Worst case - D. Derozan type in that he can get hot and will mostly score off penetration but doesn't do enough to impact the wins/losses

foosballnick @ 2/28/2021 8:01 PM
martin wrote:
foosballnick wrote:
martin wrote:
joec32033 wrote:Barrett is my favorite player in this team. I love his style. But he NEEDS to finish better at the rim, and learn to close out games. He has missed several key shots this season. Also needs to get more consistent.

It's the consistency and decision-making that still make me scratch my head and go more pessimistic than most.

There are so many fast breaks where he puts his head down, clearly with the blinders on, and goes right at defender instead of making the simple pass to teammate for a very make-able bucket. I am going to try to dunk on Myles Turner, one of the best shot blockers in the league, instead of making this easy pass.

Or, literally WFT was that pass, multiple times a game. I get the young guy, almost rookie player, still 20 years old. But WTF with the passing/decision making.

And he can get hot from 3, and then also get another pass while wide open and not hit the rim. I don't even know what that is.

IMHO Barrett will never have a shooters touch. He will grind the hell out of his shooting form and make it mechanically better, but never a natural, instinctive, sweet shot.

Clutch? Hit some free throws at end of game when it counts. At least one of them.

Almost every player in the league makes wtf plays. You seem to be holding RJ to a higher standard while perhaps ignoring the flaws in other players.

?

When the discussion is about Barrett, what does statement "ignoring the flaws of other players" have to do with anything? I am literally talking about RJ and you want me to... discuss other players flaws?

Let's be realistic: RJ, given his age, has probably been in the top 1% of having been coached and exposed to higher levels of play at his age bracket for all kids at 20 years old who are slated for the NBA. His father was a pro player, he has been on the pre-NBA and international circuit for his whole life, and he has had a pro shooting coach for at least 2 off seasons (Hanson, regarded as one of the best). All things that 95+% of kids capable of getting to this level don't have.

The decision making he is executing shouldn't even come into question IMHO, they should be more natural and instinctive at this point of his pro lifecycle.

I've just never seen a player, when so wide open, miss the rim as much as he does. I don't even know how to fathom that

RJ is getting better and doing things he was not good at last year but he should be miles ahead of where he is IMO

Point was that you are nit picking anything negative about RJ. How many guys get blocked by Turner? How many guys hoist up airballs from tine to time? Etc.

Further, its difficult to debate assumptions. There is no way to know or compare if RJ is in the top 1% of being coached up vs other NBA players when many other players come from NBA or elite athlete blood lines and blue chip college programs and top AAU club teams. The basis of your argument is built on an assumptive foundation. When IMO he should be viewed by age & NBA experience level vs other players and situation.

Knixkik @ 2/28/2021 9:12 PM
martin wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
martin wrote:
foosballnick wrote:
martin wrote:
joec32033 wrote:Barrett is my favorite player in this team. I love his style. But he NEEDS to finish better at the rim, and learn to close out games. He has missed several key shots this season. Also needs to get more consistent.

It's the consistency and decision-making that still make me scratch my head and go more pessimistic than most.

There are so many fast breaks where he puts his head down, clearly with the blinders on, and goes right at defender instead of making the simple pass to teammate for a very make-able bucket. I am going to try to dunk on Myles Turner, one of the best shot blockers in the league, instead of making this easy pass.

Or, literally WFT was that pass, multiple times a game. I get the young guy, almost rookie player, still 20 years old. But WTF with the passing/decision making.

And he can get hot from 3, and then also get another pass while wide open and not hit the rim. I don't even know what that is.

IMHO Barrett will never have a shooters touch. He will grind the hell out of his shooting form and make it mechanically better, but never a natural, instinctive, sweet shot.

Clutch? Hit some free throws at end of game when it counts. At least one of them.

Almost every player in the league makes wtf plays. You seem to be holding RJ to a higher standard while perhaps ignoring the flaws in other players.

?

When the discussion is about Barrett, what does statement "ignoring the flaws of other players" have to do with anything? I am literally talking about RJ and you want me to... discuss other players flaws?

Let's be realistic: RJ, given his age, has probably been in the top 1% of having been coached and exposed to higher levels of play at his age bracket for all kids at 20 years old who are slated for the NBA. His father was a pro player, he has been on the pre-NBA and international circuit for his whole life, and he has had a pro shooting coach for at least 2 off seasons (Hanson, regarded as one of the best). All things that 95+% of kids capable of getting to this level don't have.

The decision making he is executing shouldn't even come into question IMHO, they should be more natural and instinctive at this point of his pro lifecycle.

I've just never seen a player, when so wide open, miss the rim as much as he does. I don't even know how to fathom that

RJ is getting better and doing things he was not good at last year but he should be miles ahead of where he is IMO

He’s shooting 46% from 3pt over the last 20 games or so.

Yeah, I don't even know what to make of it. Knicks have played 34 games and his 3pt% for the season is 34%.

He reconfigured his shot over the extended offseason. He seems to be getting more comfortable with it. He’s becoming a league average outside shooter at the very least. And that’s not bad.

GustavBahler @ 2/28/2021 10:55 PM
Another strong game by RJ. Showing more facets to his game as the season progresses. Didnt let those missed free throws the last game, get him down. If anything he came back stronger. Makes it hard to bet against him.
Allanfan20 @ 2/28/2021 11:42 PM
He is pretty much the definition of an impact player. The Knicks are apparently 18-0 when he has a positive +\- and 0-17 when he’s negative. Nutty stat.

His defense is getting better.

The Knicks need to think pretty hard if they have considered trading this guy..... and RJ needs to be more consistent if he doesn’t want the Knicks thinking about it.

Philc1 @ 3/1/2021 5:23 AM
Knixkik wrote:
martin wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
martin wrote:
foosballnick wrote:
martin wrote:
joec32033 wrote:Barrett is my favorite player in this team. I love his style. But he NEEDS to finish better at the rim, and learn to close out games. He has missed several key shots this season. Also needs to get more consistent.

It's the consistency and decision-making that still make me scratch my head and go more pessimistic than most.

There are so many fast breaks where he puts his head down, clearly with the blinders on, and goes right at defender instead of making the simple pass to teammate for a very make-able bucket. I am going to try to dunk on Myles Turner, one of the best shot blockers in the league, instead of making this easy pass.

Or, literally WFT was that pass, multiple times a game. I get the young guy, almost rookie player, still 20 years old. But WTF with the passing/decision making.

And he can get hot from 3, and then also get another pass while wide open and not hit the rim. I don't even know what that is.

IMHO Barrett will never have a shooters touch. He will grind the hell out of his shooting form and make it mechanically better, but never a natural, instinctive, sweet shot.

Clutch? Hit some free throws at end of game when it counts. At least one of them.

Almost every player in the league makes wtf plays. You seem to be holding RJ to a higher standard while perhaps ignoring the flaws in other players.

?

When the discussion is about Barrett, what does statement "ignoring the flaws of other players" have to do with anything? I am literally talking about RJ and you want me to... discuss other players flaws?

Let's be realistic: RJ, given his age, has probably been in the top 1% of having been coached and exposed to higher levels of play at his age bracket for all kids at 20 years old who are slated for the NBA. His father was a pro player, he has been on the pre-NBA and international circuit for his whole life, and he has had a pro shooting coach for at least 2 off seasons (Hanson, regarded as one of the best). All things that 95+% of kids capable of getting to this level don't have.

The decision making he is executing shouldn't even come into question IMHO, they should be more natural and instinctive at this point of his pro lifecycle.

I've just never seen a player, when so wide open, miss the rim as much as he does. I don't even know how to fathom that

RJ is getting better and doing things he was not good at last year but he should be miles ahead of where he is IMO

He’s shooting 46% from 3pt over the last 20 games or so.

Yeah, I don't even know what to make of it. Knicks have played 34 games and his 3pt% for the season is 34%.

He reconfigured his shot over the extended offseason. He seems to be getting more comfortable with it. He’s becoming a league average outside shooter at the very least. And that’s not bad.

I think Barrett shot 30% from 3 last year after 29% at Duke. If he can improve to league average or slightly better than league average that’s big because he has other ways of scoring

Knixkik @ 3/1/2021 7:48 AM
Allanfan20 wrote:He is pretty much the definition of an impact player. The Knicks are apparently 18-0 when he has a positive +\- and 0-17 when he’s negative. Nutty stat.

His defense is getting better.

The Knicks need to think pretty hard if they have considered trading this guy..... and RJ needs to be more consistent if he doesn’t want the Knicks thinking about it.

Another underrated factor is Barrett and Randle becoming a good fit together. Their fit was a question but Randle has become a knock-down shooter and Barrett moves well without the ball and has also improved as a catch and shoot player. Their fit looks so seamless recently.

xavier @ 3/1/2021 9:02 AM
As I already wrote, I think we have 3 starters for the future. Robinson, Randle and Barrett. IQ in my opinion is more suitable for the role of the 6th player where he would have the ball in his hands and complete freedom, but of course he can also be a starter if necessary. It all depends on the other players we will have. For Toppin, I hope he gets more minutes soon. Noel is a great backup for Mitch. I hope that in these last games Frank also managed to intrigue Thibs and that he could still be the future as a backup on the wing positions. For Knox, I still don’t understand how he failed to pull away and become a serious part of the rotation, but his career unfortunately seems to be going in the wrong direction. Rose, Bullock, Rivers and Burks are ok, but the question is how long they will be here or they will sooner or later be part of some trade.

PG, IQ
SG
Barrett
Randle, Toppin
Robinson, Noel

This is kind of the core. So we need PG and SG (ok, RJ can play both positions so instead of SG we can bring in SF which opens us up a little more possibilities). I didn't list some of the players I mentioned above, but I hope Frank could have a place there as well, and maybe Rose as a PG backup.

The jackpot would be if Kawhi give up from the Clippers and came here but the chances of that are unfortunately nil. Free agency 2021 doesn't really offer some top players because most of the better ones are 30+ years old. It seems that sooner or later we will enter a more serious trade, and thus this core I mentioned falls into the water, because regardless of the picks we have, we can hardly bring any more serious player without one or two of the three Mitch-Randle-RJ.

fishmike @ 3/1/2021 10:01 AM
the RJ arc will be interesting to follow.

He's really got a mixed bag. On one hand you have the missed FTs the TOs, the bad shooting nights, the wild inconsistency.
On the other hand you have a 20 year old, 2nd on the team in minutes, 2nd on the team in scoring, playing for one of the league's more demanding coaches and RJ's individual improvements are undeniable when looking at the Knicks. RJ is a huge reason the Knicks are 18-17 vs. the 21-45 record they posted last year.

I would not be surprised if this kid with a great work ethic and all around game blossoms under Thibs and becomes some a Luol Deng (downside) or Jimmy Butler (upside) type of guy. He's certainly showed flashes on both sides of the ball and extended flashes.

One thing I noticed is RJ is NOT a graceful athlete, and I think because of that sometimes his athleticism is undervalued. If you watched the recent Minn game it was telling that RJ totally stayed step for step with Edwards, who is an NBA high flier and lightning quick (RJ also clearly outplayed him). Point is RJ is a high caliber NBA athlete... he's just kinda clunky. He can get up, he's got a ton of core strength, a 6'10 wingspan to go with his 6'6 frame... he's got tons of work but we are seeing him get better no? And we are seeing the results in the W column no?

I also cant help but to think RJ/Obi and a couple firsts is as good a package we will see for a high end player, so we will see!

jrodmc @ 3/1/2021 10:25 AM
We've got another thread somewhere talking about how GS is the #1 defense and has no "weak links", namely Steph Curry.
We've got a top 5 defense in the league and RJ starts on it. Coincidence? Is it all Noel? Is it all because of Thibs? I don't think so. The kid isn't smooth, but he's strong. He gets looked off more than anyone else on this team and he's still producing when it counts. Missed free throws? GMAFB. He's improved his 3 pointer, he'll improve that 73% FT shooting too.


And #1 coming late, he's barely ever hurt. Big, big plus.


Please don't start the trade RJ threads. We've finally got a high-end 1st round lottery pick that's not a project, constantly hurt or a diva-tistic bonehead.

foosballnick @ 3/1/2021 11:10 AM
fishmike wrote:the RJ arc will be interesting to follow.

He's really got a mixed bag. On one hand you have the missed FTs the TOs, the bad shooting nights, the wild inconsistency.
On the other hand you have a 20 year old, 2nd on the team in minutes, 2nd on the team in scoring, playing for one of the league's more demanding coaches and RJ's individual improvements are undeniable when looking at the Knicks. RJ is a huge reason the Knicks are 18-17 vs. the 21-45 record they posted last year.

I would not be surprised if this kid with a great work ethic and all around game blossoms under Thibs and becomes some a Luol Deng (downside) or Jimmy Butler (upside) type of guy. He's certainly showed flashes on both sides of the ball and extended flashes.

One thing I noticed is RJ is NOT a graceful athlete, and I think because of that sometimes his athleticism is undervalued. If you watched the recent Minn game it was telling that RJ totally stayed step for step with Edwards, who is an NBA high flier and lightning quick (RJ also clearly outplayed him). Point is RJ is a high caliber NBA athlete... he's just kinda clunky. He can get up, he's got a ton of core strength, a 6'10 wingspan to go with his 6'6 frame... he's got tons of work but we are seeing him get better no? And we are seeing the results in the W column no?

I also cant help but to think RJ/Obi and a couple firsts is as good a package we will see for a high end player, so we will see!

Definitely not graceful - and I think some people hold that against him as a major flaw. As you point out - what he does have is significant core and lower body strength - especially for a 20 year old and enough finesse in his game to be elusive / get to the rim.

TPercy @ 3/1/2021 11:43 AM
Up to 34.5% from 3 which is brilliant. If he can be a career consistent 35-37% shooter from there I’ll take it and run. More importantly his TS his trending up as well.
NYKBocker @ 3/1/2021 11:48 AM
TPercy wrote:Up to 34.5% from 3 which is brilliant. If he can be a career consistent 35-37% shooter from there I’ll take it and run. More importantly his TS his trending up as well.

RJ has been hitting 50.0% from 3 since January 15th! Holy Crap!

NYKBocker @ 3/1/2021 11:49 AM
NYKBocker wrote:
TPercy wrote:Up to 34.5% from 3 which is brilliant. If he can be a career consistent 35-37% shooter from there I’ll take it and run. More importantly his TS his trending up as well.

RJ has been hitting 50.0% from 3 since January 15th! Holy Crap!

Ooops...I missed the Feb games. Hold on.

NYKBocker @ 3/1/2021 11:53 AM
NYKBocker wrote:
NYKBocker wrote:
TPercy wrote:Up to 34.5% from 3 which is brilliant. If he can be a career consistent 35-37% shooter from there I’ll take it and run. More importantly his TS his trending up as well.

RJ has been hitting 50.0% from 3 since January 15th! Holy Crap!

Ooops...I missed the Feb games. Hold on.

RJ has been hitting 47.7% from 3 since January 15th! Holy Shite!

technomaster @ 3/1/2021 11:55 AM
Overall, RJ is showing improvement as a player the key areas we hoped he'd improve - his shooting (FG/FT/3pt percentages are all up) and defense.

I looked at RJ's game log and did some math. RJ Barrett has been on an incredible tear from 3pt range for the past 24 games of the season.

Games 1-11: (he ended game #11 0/5 from 3pt; 1/2 from the line)
3pt%: 18% (9/50)
FT%: 68.6% (35/51)

Games 12-35:
3pt%: 46.4% (32/69)
FT%: 75% (63/84)

Given that he's been doing it for over 2/3 of the season, I think we can fairly safely say that he is indeed a better shooter than he was as a rookie. His 3pt% over this 24 game stretch is above Steve Kerr's NBA career best .454 from 3pt range (Kerr averaged 1.8 3pt attempts/game over his career). How's he doing it? He's taking good shots - Most of his 3pt shots are in the flow and with ample room (much like Kerr!).

I think the main area for improvement for RJ is his finishing near the basket. He usually takes a couple of duds in his drives to the basket each game - he seems to expect to draw contact but the defenders keep their distance, leaving him up in the air, with no choice but to throw it up and pray. One thing he'll surely work on is reading these situations better (defenders retreating to guard the layup) and have a better plan. Maybe he's jumping a step early... or maybe he needs to stop on a dime and set himself up for a short 5-10 fadeaway jumper instead.

One other thing for him to work on over his career is establish a post up game. He has the frame/strength to do it - but a team that features Randle in the post will have to make a concerted effort to develop this skillset in RJ.

Lebron anecdote: For the first 8 years of his career, Lebron was primarily a face-up player. Is 6 out of his first 8 years in the league, Lebron's FG% was below 50%. After hooking up with Hakeem for some summer workouts in 2011 at age ~25+, he's continued by shooting over 50% for 8 of the next 10 seasons (including this season).

ramtour420 @ 3/1/2021 12:03 PM
technomaster wrote:Overall, RJ is showing improvement as a player the key areas we hoped he'd improve - his shooting (FG/FT/3pt percentages are all up) and defense.

I looked at RJ's game log and did some math. RJ Barrett has been on an incredible tear from 3pt range for the past 24 games of the season.

Games 1-11: (he ended game #11 0/5 from 3pt; 1/2 from the line)
3pt%: 18% (9/50)
FT%: 68.6% (35/51)

Games 12-35:
3pt%: 46.4% (32/69)
FT%: 75% (63/84)

Given that he's been doing it for over 2/3 of the season, I think we can fairly safely say that he is indeed a better shooter than he was as a rookie. His 3pt% over this 24 game stretch is above Steve Kerr's NBA career best .454 from 3pt range (Kerr averaged 1.8 3pt attempts/game over his career). How's he doing it? He's taking good shots - Most of his 3pt shots are in the flow and with ample room (much like Kerr!).

I think the main area for improvement for RJ is his finishing near the basket. He usually takes a couple of duds in his drives to the basket each game - he seems to expect to draw contact but the defenders keep their distance, leaving him up in the air, with no choice but to throw it up and pray. One thing he'll surely work on is reading these situations better (defenders retreating to guard the layup) and have a better plan. Maybe he's jumping a step early... or maybe he needs to stop on a dime and set himself up for a short 5-10 fadeaway jumper instead.

One other thing for him to work on over his career is establish a post up game. He has the frame/strength to do it - but a team that features Randle in the post will have to make a concerted effort to develop this skillset in RJ.

Lebron anecdote: For the first 8 years of his career, Lebron was primarily a face-up player. Is 6 out of his first 8 years in the league, Lebron's FG% was below 50%. After hooking up with Hakeem for some summer workouts in 2011 at age ~25+, he's continued by shooting over 50% for 8 of the next 10 seasons (including this season).

No wonder the Rockets forbid him from teaching anyone outside of the Rockets organization.

martin @ 3/1/2021 12:07 PM
technomaster wrote:Overall, RJ is showing improvement as a player the key areas we hoped he'd improve - his shooting (FG/FT/3pt percentages are all up) and defense.

I looked at RJ's game log and did some math. RJ Barrett has been on an incredible tear from 3pt range for the past 24 games of the season.

Games 1-11: (he ended game #11 0/5 from 3pt; 1/2 from the line)
3pt%: 18% (9/50)
FT%: 68.6% (35/51)

Games 12-35:
3pt%: 46.4% (32/69)
FT%: 75% (63/84)

Given that he's been doing it for over 2/3 of the season, I think we can fairly safely say that he is indeed a better shooter than he was as a rookie. His 3pt% over this 24 game stretch is above Steve Kerr's NBA career best .454 from 3pt range (Kerr averaged 1.8 3pt attempts/game over his career). How's he doing it? He's taking good shots - Most of his 3pt shots are in the flow and with ample room (much like Kerr!).

I think the main area for improvement for RJ is his finishing near the basket. He usually takes a couple of duds in his drives to the basket each game - he seems to expect to draw contact but the defenders keep their distance, leaving him up in the air, with no choice but to throw it up and pray. One thing he'll surely work on is reading these situations better (defenders retreating to guard the layup) and have a better plan. Maybe he's jumping a step early... or maybe he needs to stop on a dime and set himself up for a short 5-10 fadeaway jumper instead.

One other thing for him to work on over his career is establish a post up game. He has the frame/strength to do it - but a team that features Randle in the post will have to make a concerted effort to develop this skillset in RJ.

Lebron anecdote: For the first 8 years of his career, Lebron was primarily a face-up player. Is 6 out of his first 8 years in the league, Lebron's FG% was below 50%. After hooking up with Hakeem for some summer workouts in 2011 at age ~25+, he's continued by shooting over 50% for 8 of the next 10 seasons (including this season).

Could be that he is like Melo: So strong down low and he doesn't flop/sell the contact. Or he's just not particularly good yet

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