Knicks · Anyone here wanted Mikal Bridges over Kevin Knox? (page 2)

MS wrote:Bridges is in his third season and his per puts him in the top 75 in the league. Our guys are 150+.

He was the safe pick and a 10 year starter that filled a huge need. If we were reaching and really rebuilding Porter was the pick. Mikal was the right choice. The Sixers really fucked up by trading him.

I feel like we did it again this offseason wasting a pick on a guy that didn’t feel a need or bring anything to the table we didn’t already have with Mitch.

Your right the Obi pick was unbelievably bad. Its one thing to not get a starter with the 8th pick but when you continue to miss so badly where you can't get passable rotation players you have a serious problem

Jmpasq wrote:

MS wrote:Bridges is in his third season and his per puts him in the top 75 in the league. Our guys are 150+.

He was the safe pick and a 10 year starter that filled a huge need. If we were reaching and really rebuilding Porter was the pick. Mikal was the right choice. The Sixers really fucked up by trading him.

I feel like we did it again this offseason wasting a pick on a guy that didn’t feel a need or bring anything to the table we didn’t already have with Mitch.

Your right the Obi pick was unbelievably bad. Its one thing to not get a starter with the 8th pick but when you continue to miss so badly where you can't get passable rotation players you have a serious problem

Time machine - Portland 2013-14:

Your right the CJ McCollum pick (a 22 year old rookie who spent 4 years in college) was unbelievably bad. Its one thing to not get a starter with the 10th pick but when you continue to miss so badly where you can't get passable rotation players you have a serious problem

Years 1 & 2 McCollum started 3 out of 100 games averaging around 6 ppg.
Years 3 - 8 McCollum has started every game averaging 20+ ppg every season including 25 ppg so far this season.

Guess it's a good thing Portland didn't throw McCollum under the bus after his first 32 games. And I'm sure Portland fans said they blew it when Michael Carter-Williams (picked right after McCollum) won rookie of the year.

Welpee wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

MS wrote:Bridges is in his third season and his per puts him in the top 75 in the league. Our guys are 150+.

He was the safe pick and a 10 year starter that filled a huge need. If we were reaching and really rebuilding Porter was the pick. Mikal was the right choice. The Sixers really fucked up by trading him.

I feel like we did it again this offseason wasting a pick on a guy that didn’t feel a need or bring anything to the table we didn’t already have with Mitch.

Your right the Obi pick was unbelievably bad. Its one thing to not get a starter with the 8th pick but when you continue to miss so badly where you can't get passable rotation players you have a serious problem

Time machine - Portland 2013-14:

Your right the CJ McCollum pick (a 22 year old rookie who spent 4 years in college) was unbelievably bad. Its one thing to not get a starter with the 10th pick but when you continue to miss so badly where you can't get passable rotation players you have a serious problem

Years 1 & 2 McCollum started 3 out of 100 games averaging around 6 ppg.
Years 3 - 8 McCollum has started every game averaging 20+ ppg every season including 25 ppg so far this season.

Guess it's a good thing Portland didn't throw McCollum under the bus after his first 32 games. And I'm sure Portland fans said they blew it when Michael Carter-Williams (picked right after McCollum) won rookie of the year.

They were 2 seperate thoughts really. I think Obi was a bad pick. He was the 1 guy I did not want. I do believe he will be a bust. The other comment was about our other recent failures with mid lottery picks Frank, Knox

The Knicks are pretty bad in developing players.

I know that people must earn playing time in practice, but for a crappy team like ours not developing the youth - Knox, Obi, Frank - is very short-sighted. New York must become known as an environment where players get utmost support to get better, like in Dallas. Otherwise we will never get talented young players to want to come play for us and continue to vainly chase established stars in FA.

ESOMKnicks wrote:The Knicks are WERE pretty bad in developing players.

I know that people must earn playing time in practice, but for a crappy team like ours not developing the youth - Knox, Obi, Frank - is very short-sighted. New York must become known as an environment where players get utmost support to get better, like in Dallas. Otherwise we will never get talented young players to want to come play for us and continue to vainly chase established stars in FA.

They have overhauled the coaching staff and I think players have noticed around the league

I did and there are receipts in my post from back then.

martin wrote:

ESOMKnicks wrote:The Knicks are WERE pretty bad in developing players.

I know that people must earn playing time in practice, but for a crappy team like ours not developing the youth - Knox, Obi, Frank - is very short-sighted. New York must become known as an environment where players get utmost support to get better, like in Dallas. Otherwise we will never get talented young players to want to come play for us and continue to vainly chase established stars in FA.

They have overhauled the coaching staff and I think players have noticed around the league

Not sure how you can so quickly claim our development issues, are in the past. IQ looks great, but Obi is really struggling. Knox is struggling. Frank is still...Frank. Mitch still needs some offense, but improving.

Believe more time is needed to say that things have really changed. I agree our rep has, but thats something different.

GustavBahler wrote:

martin wrote:

ESOMKnicks wrote:The Knicks are WERE pretty bad in developing players.

I know that people must earn playing time in practice, but for a crappy team like ours not developing the youth - Knox, Obi, Frank - is very short-sighted. New York must become known as an environment where players get utmost support to get better, like in Dallas. Otherwise we will never get talented young players to want to come play for us and continue to vainly chase established stars in FA.

They have overhauled the coaching staff and I think players have noticed around the league

Not sure how you can so quickly claim our development issues, are in the past. IQ looks great, but Obi is really struggling. Knox is struggling. Frank is still...Frank. Mitch still needs some offense, but improving.

Believe more time is needed to say that things have really changed. I agree our rep has, but thats something different.

Why do you think that pointing out a few player who may not have skyrocked in an upward trajectory while leaving out all sorts of other types of development examples qualifies are sound reasoning?

I have also not stated anything close to what you think you read

martin wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

martin wrote:

ESOMKnicks wrote:The Knicks are WERE pretty bad in developing players.

I know that people must earn playing time in practice, but for a crappy team like ours not developing the youth - Knox, Obi, Frank - is very short-sighted. New York must become known as an environment where players get utmost support to get better, like in Dallas. Otherwise we will never get talented young players to want to come play for us and continue to vainly chase established stars in FA.

They have overhauled the coaching staff and I think players have noticed around the league

Not sure how you can so quickly claim our development issues, are in the past. IQ looks great, but Obi is really struggling. Knox is struggling. Frank is still...Frank. Mitch still needs some offense, but improving.

Believe more time is needed to say that things have really changed. I agree our rep has, but thats something different.

Why do you think that pointing out a few player who may not have skyrocked in an upward trajectory while leaving out all sorts of other types of development examples qualifies are sound reasoning?

I have also not stated anything close to what you think you read

Can you respond to a question without a question? I just pointed out our top draft pick is struggling, our last 8th pick, the 8th pick before that. RJ would have kept working his butt off, no matter who was coach. I dont see the development you're speaking of. Randle's conditioning played a big role in his progression. Burks and Bullock are healthy. They've played like this at other stops.

I see player development as the staff playing a large role in the improvement of a player
Helping them take their game to the next level. I see RJ and Randle's improvement mostly due to their work ethic, not being really coached up. Randle started cutting down on the "spinovers" after Fizdale was fired. Moreso this season.

Hate to admit it. But what D'Antoni does with PGs, thats player development. Wouldnt have minded MDA as an asst to develop Quickley into a PG. He could do it, doubt Thiba could do the same. Yes, I know Rose was MVP, but he was an elite athlete, his burst was on another level. D'Antoni rewires their brains, in a manner of speaking.

I think Thibs is capable of getting more out of our young players, with time. Half a season seems very early to be using the past tense as you did. Still much work for the the coaching staff, trainers to do before saying "mission accomplished".

Knicks don’t develop? Isn’t that why we have ANOTHER new staff?
But.....
Randle was not randle when he got here.
RJ is developing into something special.
IQ is IQ
Mitch is a starting caliber center with unique gifts.

OBI is half a season in. Get real.
Knox and Frank? Yeah, maybe not so great. They are young still.
Things are looking up.

GustavBahler wrote:I know for sure Uptown didnt. Nope...

I thought Bridges would be a good role player. Knox was more high risk/reward. I was OK with that. More important was that it was who Fizdale wanted. He had just been hired, were several teams trying to hire him. It was a goodwill gesture by the FO. Im guessing they wanted to draft someone else.

Knox has shown he can get hot from downtown in a hurry. If he can combine that with a better post game. He could be a good role player himself.

You seem to remember my posts better than I do, lol.

I watch a ton of Big East basketball and saw Mikal play quite a bit. He was a good defender for 'Nova, played at the top of their 1-2-2 3/4's court trap because of his long arms. Shot a good stand still 3 as well. Struggled putting the ball on the floor and creating his own offense. I thought he would be a nice 3 and D role player. Nothing more.

I wouldn't have been mad at that pick because I wasn't in love with the other prospects that was available at 8. Monk was a small 2, Knox has potential but the low motor was scary, I liked Miles Bridges toughness and athleticism but he was raw, offensively. I slept on SGA. Didn't see him enough the year. Porter was clearly the most talented player but back injury made it a tough call....

Uptown wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:I know for sure Uptown didnt. Nope...

I thought Bridges would be a good role player. Knox was more high risk/reward. I was OK with that. More important was that it was who Fizdale wanted. He had just been hired, were several teams trying to hire him. It was a goodwill gesture by the FO. Im guessing they wanted to draft someone else.

Knox has shown he can get hot from downtown in a hurry. If he can combine that with a better post game. He could be a good role player himself.

You seem to remember my posts better than I do, lol.

I watch a ton of Big East basketball and saw Mikal play quite a bit. He was a good defender for 'Nova, played at the top of their 1-2-2 3/4's court trap because of his long arms. Shot a good stand still 3 as well. Struggled putting the ball on the floor and creating his own offense. I thought he would be a nice 3 and D role player. Nothing more.

I wouldn't have been mad at that pick because I wasn't in love with the other prospects that was available at 8. Monk was a small 2, Knox has potential but the low motor was scary, I liked Miles Bridges toughness and athleticism but he was raw, offensively. I slept on SGA. Didn't see him enough the year. Porter was clearly the most talented player but back injury made it a tough call....

You were much more in favor of Bridges than Knox. I remember that. I thought Knox playing on essentially a college all-star team (and 18) might have made him reluctant to be assertive at times. thought it was inconclusive. Knox needs to keep improving what he does when his shot isnt falling like RJ. Until his shot comes back.

Agree about Porter jr. We didnt have the luxury of a stash, first round pick.

If the Knicks picked Porter he would have faded out of existence never playing a meaningful NBA game. That's the Knicks luck. No one on this site was onboard picking Porter as far as i remember, saying otherwise is revisionist history.

Thinking of Porter i imagined McDyess-Frederick Weiss-Greg Oden rolled into one.

Jmpasq wrote:

Welpee wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

MS wrote:Bridges is in his third season and his per puts him in the top 75 in the league. Our guys are 150+.

He was the safe pick and a 10 year starter that filled a huge need. If we were reaching and really rebuilding Porter was the pick. Mikal was the right choice. The Sixers really fucked up by trading him.

I feel like we did it again this offseason wasting a pick on a guy that didn’t feel a need or bring anything to the table we didn’t already have with Mitch.

Your right the Obi pick was unbelievably bad. Its one thing to not get a starter with the 8th pick but when you continue to miss so badly where you can't get passable rotation players you have a serious problem

Time machine - Portland 2013-14:

Your right the CJ McCollum pick (a 22 year old rookie who spent 4 years in college) was unbelievably bad. Its one thing to not get a starter with the 10th pick but when you continue to miss so badly where you can't get passable rotation players you have a serious problem

Years 1 & 2 McCollum started 3 out of 100 games averaging around 6 ppg.
Years 3 - 8 McCollum has started every game averaging 20+ ppg every season including 25 ppg so far this season.

Guess it's a good thing Portland didn't throw McCollum under the bus after his first 32 games. And I'm sure Portland fans said they blew it when Michael Carter-Williams (picked right after McCollum) won rookie of the year.

They were 2 seperate thoughts really. I think Obi was a bad pick. He was the 1 guy I did not want. I do believe he will be a bust. The other comment was about our other recent failures with mid lottery picks Frank, Knox

So focusing on Knox and Frank and ignoring RJ, Porzingis, Quickley, Robinson proves what?

Uptown wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:I know for sure Uptown didnt. Nope...

I thought Bridges would be a good role player. Knox was more high risk/reward. I was OK with that. More important was that it was who Fizdale wanted. He had just been hired, were several teams trying to hire him. It was a goodwill gesture by the FO. Im guessing they wanted to draft someone else.

Knox has shown he can get hot from downtown in a hurry. If he can combine that with a better post game. He could be a good role player himself.

You seem to remember my posts better than I do, lol.

I watch a ton of Big East basketball and saw Mikal play quite a bit. He was a good defender for 'Nova, played at the top of their 1-2-2 3/4's court trap because of his long arms. Shot a good stand still 3 as well. Struggled putting the ball on the floor and creating his own offense. I thought he would be a nice 3 and D role player. Nothing more.

I wouldn't have been mad at that pick because I wasn't in love with the other prospects that was available at 8. Monk was a small 2, Knox has potential but the low motor was scary, I liked Miles Bridges toughness and athleticism but he was raw, offensively. I slept on SGA. Didn't see him enough the year. Porter was clearly the most talented player but back injury made it a tough call....

I think Monk was in Frank's draft, not Knox's draft.

I didn’t. I really bought into his potential but it just hasn’t worked out. I thought at the very least he could be a decent creator off the bench but oh well. He’s still got one more off season to try and make a difference but his clock is running out unfortunately

You can’t tell me we were foolish to think this guy was an NBA player. I think he still has it in him but as I said, his window is getting smaller.

Welpee wrote:

Uptown wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:I know for sure Uptown didnt. Nope...

I thought Bridges would be a good role player. Knox was more high risk/reward. I was OK with that. More important was that it was who Fizdale wanted. He had just been hired, were several teams trying to hire him. It was a goodwill gesture by the FO. Im guessing they wanted to draft someone else.

Knox has shown he can get hot from downtown in a hurry. If he can combine that with a better post game. He could be a good role player himself.

You seem to remember my posts better than I do, lol.

I watch a ton of Big East basketball and saw Mikal play quite a bit. He was a good defender for 'Nova, played at the top of their 1-2-2 3/4's court trap because of his long arms. Shot a good stand still 3 as well. Struggled putting the ball on the floor and creating his own offense. I thought he would be a nice 3 and D role player. Nothing more.

I wouldn't have been mad at that pick because I wasn't in love with the other prospects that was available at 8. Monk was a small 2, Knox has potential but the low motor was scary, I liked Miles Bridges toughness and athleticism but he was raw, offensively. I slept on SGA. Didn't see him enough the year. Porter was clearly the most talented player but back injury made it a tough call....

I think Monk was in Frank's draft, not Knox's draft.

Yep....monk was my pick, during mock draft discussions. And dsj. I had them both ahead of frank. Both filled obvious holes....PG and Shooting for monk. I'm still a fan of monk...not so on dsj. Frank wasnt on my radar, but I think he's a very solid role player.

blkexec wrote:

Welpee wrote:

Uptown wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:I know for sure Uptown didnt. Nope...

I thought Bridges would be a good role player. Knox was more high risk/reward. I was OK with that. More important was that it was who Fizdale wanted. He had just been hired, were several teams trying to hire him. It was a goodwill gesture by the FO. Im guessing they wanted to draft someone else.

Knox has shown he can get hot from downtown in a hurry. If he can combine that with a better post game. He could be a good role player himself.

You seem to remember my posts better than I do, lol.

I watch a ton of Big East basketball and saw Mikal play quite a bit. He was a good defender for 'Nova, played at the top of their 1-2-2 3/4's court trap because of his long arms. Shot a good stand still 3 as well. Struggled putting the ball on the floor and creating his own offense. I thought he would be a nice 3 and D role player. Nothing more.

I wouldn't have been mad at that pick because I wasn't in love with the other prospects that was available at 8. Monk was a small 2, Knox has potential but the low motor was scary, I liked Miles Bridges toughness and athleticism but he was raw, offensively. I slept on SGA. Didn't see him enough the year. Porter was clearly the most talented player but back injury made it a tough call....

I think Monk was in Frank's draft, not Knox's draft.

Yep....monk was my pick, during mock draft discussions. And dsj. I had them both ahead of frank. Both filled obvious holes....PG and Shooting for monk. I'm still a fan of monk...not so on dsj. Frank wasnt on my radar, but I think he's a very solid role player.

Yeah...you're right. My bad...

DSJ and Monk were the two discussed heavily in the 2017 draft although Frank certainly had support. And they were the two most brought up (esp DSJ) when Frank was a "bust" and a "triangle pick" two weeks into his career. Whatever -- it would seem Frank is the better of the three at least for now, if still not up to what we'd like. As for conveniently revisionist phonies like Stephen A and Michael Kay who proclaim we should have picked Donovan Mitchell -- well yeah. Only at the time I truly believe if we had, the amount of pants wetting would have caused an overflow of the East River because he was "a reach." You know, like Quickley.