Knicks · What did Frank do to Thibs? (page 7)

knicks1248 wrote:

Vmart wrote:

Welpee wrote:

Vmart wrote:I get the feeling Frank doesn’t like stepping on his teammates shoes. He is the ultimate teammate I think in general people like his demeanor as a good guy and team guy. He is such a team first guy he finds it difficult to basically take someone’s job away or take his teammates shot away. In a way he wants the coach to make that decision for him. But that is not how it works he has to step on someone to get the job. If it means shutting down Rose, Elf and Quickly in practice and owning them then he has to do it and show it. He has to have the swagger and coaches love that. No swagger no play.

The team has needed him to live up to his draft position for four years now. If he's the ultimate teammate he should do more of what his team needs from him. He's been given plenty of opportunities to do that. I'm not buying this latest narrative that Frank is passive because he doesn't want to step on anyone's toes.

It’s not a narrative it’s his weakness. I’m point out that he doesn’t have it. The need to be great is not in him. The great ones know they are great, and they do anything in their power to keep others from taking their job away. Frank in the other hand merely hands the job over on a silver plate. Dude should be like I’m a free agent at the end of the year. I have to show case my skills nope not Frankie. He is to cool and nonchalant, Frank has been a huge disappointment.

The first SLAP in the face came when Fizdale started a ROOKIE SG/SF (RJ) to play his position (pg), and there's been a handful of situations that should have been more than enough motivation to get his act together.

But like I've been saying for the last 2 yr "He is who he is" it's either he's at his ceiling, or he doesn't really care.

We already know Fiz did a lot of dumb shit and I don't know how you can't quantify that move as the same. It was AWFUL and should be regarded as such, end of sentence.

martin wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Vmart wrote:

Welpee wrote:

Vmart wrote:I get the feeling Frank doesn’t like stepping on his teammates shoes. He is the ultimate teammate I think in general people like his demeanor as a good guy and team guy. He is such a team first guy he finds it difficult to basically take someone’s job away or take his teammates shot away. In a way he wants the coach to make that decision for him. But that is not how it works he has to step on someone to get the job. If it means shutting down Rose, Elf and Quickly in practice and owning them then he has to do it and show it. He has to have the swagger and coaches love that. No swagger no play.

The team has needed him to live up to his draft position for four years now. If he's the ultimate teammate he should do more of what his team needs from him. He's been given plenty of opportunities to do that. I'm not buying this latest narrative that Frank is passive because he doesn't want to step on anyone's toes.

It’s not a narrative it’s his weakness. I’m point out that he doesn’t have it. The need to be great is not in him. The great ones know they are great, and they do anything in their power to keep others from taking their job away. Frank in the other hand merely hands the job over on a silver plate. Dude should be like I’m a free agent at the end of the year. I have to show case my skills nope not Frankie. He is to cool and nonchalant, Frank has been a huge disappointment.

The first SLAP in the face came when Fizdale started a ROOKIE SG/SF (RJ) to play his position (pg), and there's been a handful of situations that should have been more than enough motivation to get his act together.

But like I've been saying for the last 2 yr "He is who he is" it's either he's at his ceiling, or he doesn't really care.

We already know Fiz did a lot of dumb shit and I don't know how you can't quantify that move as the same. It was AWFUL and should be regarded as such, end of sentence.

Fizdale did no favors for anyone. The dude is not coaching material never was. But Frank is who he is. His game is atrocious. All these edited videos all nice but game is different. Faults with Frank indecisive, lacks shooting off dribble slow wind up. Doesn’t trust his shot slow wind up. Does he have potential maybe. Does he want it maybe who the F knows. Dude needs to come out of his shell and just let it go. No more kid gloves. Put up or pack up.

Vmart wrote:

martin wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Vmart wrote:

Welpee wrote:

Vmart wrote:I get the feeling Frank doesn’t like stepping on his teammates shoes. He is the ultimate teammate I think in general people like his demeanor as a good guy and team guy. He is such a team first guy he finds it difficult to basically take someone’s job away or take his teammates shot away. In a way he wants the coach to make that decision for him. But that is not how it works he has to step on someone to get the job. If it means shutting down Rose, Elf and Quickly in practice and owning them then he has to do it and show it. He has to have the swagger and coaches love that. No swagger no play.

The team has needed him to live up to his draft position for four years now. If he's the ultimate teammate he should do more of what his team needs from him. He's been given plenty of opportunities to do that. I'm not buying this latest narrative that Frank is passive because he doesn't want to step on anyone's toes.

It’s not a narrative it’s his weakness. I’m point out that he doesn’t have it. The need to be great is not in him. The great ones know they are great, and they do anything in their power to keep others from taking their job away. Frank in the other hand merely hands the job over on a silver plate. Dude should be like I’m a free agent at the end of the year. I have to show case my skills nope not Frankie. He is to cool and nonchalant, Frank has been a huge disappointment.

The first SLAP in the face came when Fizdale started a ROOKIE SG/SF (RJ) to play his position (pg), and there's been a handful of situations that should have been more than enough motivation to get his act together.

But like I've been saying for the last 2 yr "He is who he is" it's either he's at his ceiling, or he doesn't really care.

We already know Fiz did a lot of dumb shit and I don't know how you can't quantify that move as the same. It was AWFUL and should be regarded as such, end of sentence.

Fizdale did no favors for anyone. The dude is not coaching material never was. But Frank is who he is. His game is atrocious. All these edited videos all nice but game is different. Faults with Frank indecisive, lacks shooting off dribble slow wind up. Doesn’t trust his shot slow wind up. Does he have potential maybe. Does he want it maybe who the F knows. Dude needs to come out of his shell and just let it go. No more kid gloves. Put up or pack up.

Frank had his opportunity a couple weeks back with all the injuries forcing him to get PT. Granted he had to line up at PG which isn't his game. But he didn't step up to the plate. He was doing well prior to that and looked like he was coming along, but the fact that he hasn't proven to be reliable by yr 4 is an issue. He may be forced to get burn again, maybe even in the playoffs. Maybe he even shines under those circumstances. But still at the end of the day he just hasn't proven to be reliable.

Always said to wait out his rookie contract to see what it is, and that has happen.

Burks is out so Frank should get some run tonight. He needs to produce.

TheGame wrote:Burks is out so Frank should get some run tonight. He needs to produce.

I think IQ and rose will get more minutes

2 seconds? Thibs played him for 2 seconds? A 2 second defensive sub for IQ? Seriously?

jrodmc wrote:2 seconds? Thibs played him for 2 seconds? A 2 second defensive sub for IQ? Seriously?

Yo dude were winning, why should you care who plays...lol

Some of you are so obsessed with this kid

knicks1248 wrote:

jrodmc wrote:2 seconds? Thibs played him for 2 seconds? A 2 second defensive sub for IQ? Seriously?

Yo dude were winning, why should you care who plays...lol

Some of you are so obsessed with this kid

Why are you obsessed that he is obsessed who is sarcastically inclined to satirize my obsession with his obsession over Melo and the far reaching Nalodidian Net’s history obsessed with Nalod obsession about your inaccuracies and subsequent obsession over your distain for all things Frank which puts us right here!

Nalod wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

jrodmc wrote:2 seconds? Thibs played him for 2 seconds? A 2 second defensive sub for IQ? Seriously?

Yo dude were winning, why should you care who plays...lol

Some of you are so obsessed with this kid

Why are you obsessed that he is obsessed who is sarcastically inclined to satirize my obsession with his obsession over Melo and the far reaching Nalodidian Net’s history obsessed with Nalod obsession about your inaccuracies and subsequent obsession over your distain for all things Frank which puts us right here!

Something about returning home and knowing the place for the first time...

FIBA Frank is back! In a tune up game against Spain, Frank scored 13pts, 2 rebs, 2 assists with his usual big defense and also FIBA Frank's usual big game and hitting big shots!

https://mobile.twitter.com/FrNtilikina/s...

Its just such a head scratcher why Frank can't get some burn with the Knicks, his defense could have been a factor against trae young. A medal contender like team France can give Frank minutes and he is proving he can help their cause. Im just confused why Thibs didn't give Frank a fair shake.

The other Kicks point guard in the Olympics, Luca Vildoza started for Argentina and scored 11pts hitting 3 3pters and 2 for 2 from the stripe as Argentina lost to Patty mills and the Australian team

He hit a pretty mean step back three to start.

I suppose the answer is that if scoring 13 points in a meaningless tuneup game is already viewed as an achievement for him, then being on an active NBA roster is hardly a guaranteed proposition.

I would still want the Knicks to bring him back. There is a certain Knickness that is strong with this player.

ESOMKnicks wrote:He hit a pretty mean step back three to start.

I suppose the answer is that if scoring 13 points in a meaningless tuneup game is already viewed as an achievement for him, then being on an active NBA roster is hardly a guaranteed proposition.

I would still want the Knicks to bring him back. There is a certain Knickness that is strong with this player.

I don't see this as being viewed as an achievement for scoring 13pts in a tune up game but rather it just shows me that Frank can play at a high level against medal hopeful team. If the reason why Thibs doesn't play frank is because he is a liability in the offensive end, scoring 13pts and being a factor in that game is the reason why I would have wanted to see him play against Trae young in the playoffs.

Im still a Frank fan but i think it will be a big mistake on his part to sign with the Knicks in the offseason unless there is a concrete plan for him moving forward with the knicks.

If he is able to sign with another nba team next season I wont be surprised if he becomes a knick killer having his best games against the knicks while wrecking havoc by shutting down the knicks backcourt. I do believe teams need a lockdown defender to contend for the championship. A tony allen type of player or a bruce bowen type who locks the opposing player while hitting the big 3. The knicks had a potential player like that in Frank last year, too bad his defense didnt cut it for Thibs.

Jimbo5 wrote:

ESOMKnicks wrote:He hit a pretty mean step back three to start.

I suppose the answer is that if scoring 13 points in a meaningless tuneup game is already viewed as an achievement for him, then being on an active NBA roster is hardly a guaranteed proposition.

I would still want the Knicks to bring him back. There is a certain Knickness that is strong with this player.

I don't see this as being viewed as an achievement for scoring 13pts in a tune up game but rather it just shows me that Frank can play at a high level against medal hopeful team. If the reason why Thibs doesn't play frank is because he is a liability in the offensive end, scoring 13pts and being a factor in that game is the reason why I would have wanted to see him play against Trae young in the playoffs.

Im still a Frank fan but i think it will be a big mistake on his part to sign with the Knicks in the offseason unless there is a concrete plan for him moving forward with the knicks.

I think so far Leon has demonstrated he really knows value, both around the league and with his own roster. If they want Frank back he will be back. would anyone be surprised if we brought him back for cheap? I suspect his time here is done but a good game or two in Fiba isnt pumping his value

I will miss him.

fwk00 wrote:Exactly. Sad that there's such polarization that we can't simply treat him like a human being.

Frank Ntilikina the person and Frank Ntilikina the professional basketball player are two different things.

His front office can care about him as a person OFF THE COURT and still demand he produce ON THE COURT or face being replaced. ( And now he's going to be replaced)

Ntilikina wanted more minutes? Should have earned them with his play. If Thibs wanted to run Frank N out there for 30 seconds a game, then so be it. Sometimes a coach will throw a bench player in to see how the player reacts. Will he sulk. Will he work hard. Will he be prepared. Where is his mentality as a bench player?

Respect is EARNED.

Honestly I'm glad Frank Ntilikina will get his rights renounced and will be moving on from this team. I wish him no ill will as a person and a human being but I'm frankly weary of hearing all the excuses for his inability to help this team win basketball games.

This modern notion, carried by far too many fans, that NBA players no longer need to actually earn anything is mind boggling. The game of basketball should be the 2nd most popular sport in the entire world after soccer. But NBA players, esp the superstars, have taken over the league and are empowered past all good reason and now the narrative is it's just everyone else's fault except the players when something goes wrong.

Maybe he'll have better luck in his next destination. And if he does, odds are it will be in large part because he simply realized he needed to work much harder and fall into a role that works for the team, whether he likes it or not as an individual player, if he wants to stay in the league.

I've traveled all over the world. There are children who don't have clean drinking water. There are literally masses of people starving in multiple countries right now. There are women in Chinese concentration camps today who have been gang raped, forcibly sterilized and will soon have their organs harvested. There are 8 or 9 year old children recruited to pick up an AK47 and go fight in a war they know nothing about.

Frank Ntilikina is a young millionaire who lives in mostly free society where he's receiving some of the best training, life options and medical care in the entire world. Let's take some reality check pills here when we start talking about how someone is not being "treated like a human being"

Where is all this bitching and moaning come from?

If you suck at what you do for a living, life is just gonna be a thousand times harder. That's everyone, not just Frank Ntilikina. But nearly all people don't get to fall back on being a famous millionaire while they do it.

Frank shot 48% from three last year, in addition to his terrific defense. He's earned a return.

Do I need to list my achievements to go with my opinions?

I’ve been to every continent but Antarctica. 28 countries. I have made love on every one of them. Im man enough to be married for 35 years and never wandered. I have donated thousands of dollars and many hours to worthy causes. Today I visited my mother int he hospital for the 18th straight day. I’m fostering a rescue dog.
Given all that, I have no reason to root for frank. I have no love for the French, but no hate either. I’m ok with Rudy Gorbert and don’t believe Fred Weis has anything to do with Franks lack of success.
I’d love it if frank came back and proved his detractors wrong.
If not, I’m not losing any sleep. Fact is frank just might be a fine Internatonal player but not an NBA offensive one.

Don’t worry guys we have Elf starting at PG next year

Nalod wrote:Fact is frank just might be a fine International player but not an NBA offensive one.

Maybe we can start a fact checking thread...
Frank is great for FIBA, just not the NBA.
Kevin Knox is a bust.
Lin had a great run here for one month or so. End of story.
We got Melo for a sack full of shit bit players and some really nice draft picks.
Trading Ewing accomplished nothing other than saving Jimmie Dolan a few shekels and getting rid of Chris Dudley.
Bernard King was not here long enough.
The Nets still haven't won shit in the NBA.

I've been to Toronto and the British Virgin Islands. Took my wife of 37 years with me, even though she preferred to go by herself.
I've paid the college tuition for kids I'm not related to.
I spent over two years and thousands of dollars on vet bills/diabetes meds for our pet husky. Who died anyway.
I always pay the bill for any armed forces people in front of me in line or immediately behind me.
I voted for Alan Keyes.

I was kicked out of one of the finest prep schools in the South and once banned from entering Marion county in Florida. There was a time I ate a gallon of premium ice cream (and paid the price). In junior high i told the bully two years older than me he'd still be a punk if he punched me which he promptly did in the face. I gave a dollar to a bum once who told me it wasn't enough and I told him to stick it. I can wiggle one ear at a time, even alternate them.

I really liked Frank and will pull for him wherever he goes, but remain a Knicks fan.