Knicks · RJ... Glimpse of the next level? (page 2)

unstopaball12 @ 4/11/2021 2:01 PM
Rj is just scratching the surface, but it's very encouraging that he is improving in all facts of his game. His shooting splits have improved tremendously, his defense has been above average, his rapport with his teammates too. If Thibs played a role in the development of Kobe. Then I'm very bullish with RJ given the compliments he gets from thibs on his work ethic and drive to be great.

Hoping he can end the year with atleast shooting splits of 44/37/75 and gun for 46/39/80 next year with more variety of moves in his arsenal. I have confidence with dree hanlen that he can help RJ with this.

Finally the knicks have a star in the making IN RJ, without the baggage the normally comes with it.

martin @ 4/11/2021 2:04 PM
MS wrote:I think they are in a pretty good position right now with Randle being underpaid at $19MM, the Knicks have the same chance the warriors did with Curry to build next offseason.

RJ is awesome and hit two clutch shots in two games. That takes time for 95% of the league.

Jarret Allen and Lonzo would be interesting in the offseason. I love Mitch, but durability is a big question. Those two are both good defenders. We need to hit on shooters in this draft and that a pretty strong team going forward and Allen would be tradable.

Would the Wizards be open to Toppin and IQ with 3 first for Beal?

A bench of Frank, Mitch, Knox and Gibson with that team could be very interesting.

As much as I can see the Pelicans not matching a certain type of Lonzo contract, I can’t see Cleveland doing the same with Jarret.

unstopaball12 @ 4/11/2021 2:10 PM
martin wrote:
MS wrote:I think they are in a pretty good position right now with Randle being underpaid at $19MM, the Knicks have the same chance the warriors did with Curry to build next offseason.

RJ is awesome and hit two clutch shots in two games. That takes time for 95% of the league.

Jarret Allen and Lonzo would be interesting in the offseason. I love Mitch, but durability is a big question. Those two are both good defenders. We need to hit on shooters in this draft and that a pretty strong team going forward and Allen would be tradable.

Would the Wizards be open to Toppin and IQ with 3 first for Beal?

A bench of Frank, Mitch, Knox and Gibson with that team could be very interesting.

As much as I can see the Pelicans not matching a certain type of Lonzo contract, I can’t see Cleveland doing the same with Jarret.

Agreed, letting go of a first round pick and force sitting Drummondeant Allen was the center of the future.

Maybe garland though becomes an option easpically if the cavs somehow get a top 5 pick and end up with either suggs, cunningham or green.

martin @ 4/11/2021 2:18 PM
KnickDanger wrote:
Panos wrote:
Philc1 wrote:
KnickDanger wrote:Knicks won; 2019 draft.

They did. After Morant RJ is the best player from that draft

Are you saying RJ better than Zion?

Remember pundits clowning the Knicks for "losing" that lottery? There is no question of the level of talent of Zion, and Morant could indeed end up being the more valuable of the two. But despite the dismissal of RJ's talent by the same gasbags, perhaps he's put himself into the conversation. In other words let's all come back here in ten years and compare notes. At the least I feel good about how I would feel then.

I like this take.

I do not watch Zion or Ja and don’t know the dynamics of what is happening at a team level so am left to look at the stats. Which guy has gotten better over the course of their 2 seasons? Which player has the most room for improvement?

Have Zion or Morant made their games better after an extended offseason as much as RJ has? Statistically, Ja hasn’t really changed and is shooting worse across the board. Zion, for all of his athleticism, doesn’t rebound as well as I would expect and is playing the same overall game so far?

RJ seems more readily built to outlast both guys in terms of games played and minutes in a season. Ja and Zion have fairly glaring injury risk potential.

I think it’s prudent to ask: RJ got much better last offseason, why haven’t the other guys?

Time will tell.

smackeddog @ 4/11/2021 4:09 PM
https://www.sportsnet.ca/nba/article/ins...

Fantastic development work by Fiz once again....

They weren’t starting from scratch. In the build-up to the 2019 draft Barrett and Hanlen had tweaked his shooting form, including making the unconventional decision to move Barrett’s shooting elbow slightly to the left (he’s left-handed) of his shoulder. Traditionally the goal is to have the shoulder, elbow and hand all in one line but Hanlen – who studied left-handed pitchers and quarterbacks for inspiration – thought that moving Barret’s elbow out would give him greater range of motion and make it easier to get his hand squarely under the ball.

The early returns were positive and Barrett was making progress but when he arrived at training camp the Knicks coaching staff then in place pushed back and demanded their prize rookie bring his elbow closer to his body again. The season turned into a struggle. The Knicks flailed to a 4-18 start, fired head coach David Fizdale and eventually cleaned out their management ranks too.

Barrett was caught in the crossfire.

“Not pointing fingers, but there was a level of frustration that he played with because he felt like he had made the shot change that he needed to make during the pre-draft and after putting three months of hard work to lock in those mechanics, they instantly go tweaked and changed to a place where he felt really uncomfortable and he lacked the confidence and consistency he needed,” said Hanlen.

martin @ 4/11/2021 4:48 PM
smackeddog wrote:https://www.sportsnet.ca/nba/article/ins...

Fantastic development work by Fiz once again....

They weren’t starting from scratch. In the build-up to the 2019 draft Barrett and Hanlen had tweaked his shooting form, including making the unconventional decision to move Barrett’s shooting elbow slightly to the left (he’s left-handed) of his shoulder. Traditionally the goal is to have the shoulder, elbow and hand all in one line but Hanlen – who studied left-handed pitchers and quarterbacks for inspiration – thought that moving Barret’s elbow out would give him greater range of motion and make it easier to get his hand squarely under the ball.

The early returns were positive and Barrett was making progress but when he arrived at training camp the Knicks coaching staff then in place pushed back and demanded their prize rookie bring his elbow closer to his body again. The season turned into a struggle. The Knicks flailed to a 4-18 start, fired head coach David Fizdale and eventually cleaned out their management ranks too.

Barrett was caught in the crossfire.

“Not pointing fingers, but there was a level of frustration that he played with because he felt like he had made the shot change that he needed to make during the pre-draft and after putting three months of hard work to lock in those mechanics, they instantly go tweaked and changed to a place where he felt really uncomfortable and he lacked the confidence and consistency he needed,” said Hanlen.

Wow

TPercy @ 4/11/2021 5:03 PM
smackeddog wrote:https://www.sportsnet.ca/nba/article/ins...

Fantastic development work by Fiz once again....

They weren’t starting from scratch. In the build-up to the 2019 draft Barrett and Hanlen had tweaked his shooting form, including making the unconventional decision to move Barrett’s shooting elbow slightly to the left (he’s left-handed) of his shoulder. Traditionally the goal is to have the shoulder, elbow and hand all in one line but Hanlen – who studied left-handed pitchers and quarterbacks for inspiration – thought that moving Barret’s elbow out would give him greater range of motion and make it easier to get his hand squarely under the ball.

The early returns were positive and Barrett was making progress but when he arrived at training camp the Knicks coaching staff then in place pushed back and demanded their prize rookie bring his elbow closer to his body again. The season turned into a struggle. The Knicks flailed to a 4-18 start, fired head coach David Fizdale and eventually cleaned out their management ranks too.

Barrett was caught in the crossfire.

“Not pointing fingers, but there was a level of frustration that he played with because he felt like he had made the shot change that he needed to make during the pre-draft and after putting three months of hard work to lock in those mechanics, they instantly go tweaked and changed to a place where he felt really uncomfortable and he lacked the confidence and consistency he needed,” said Hanlen.


Words can't describe how f'd this is.
ekstarks94 @ 4/11/2021 5:50 PM
TPercy wrote:
smackeddog wrote:https://www.sportsnet.ca/nba/article/ins...

Fantastic development work by Fiz once again....

They weren’t starting from scratch. In the build-up to the 2019 draft Barrett and Hanlen had tweaked his shooting form, including making the unconventional decision to move Barrett’s shooting elbow slightly to the left (he’s left-handed) of his shoulder. Traditionally the goal is to have the shoulder, elbow and hand all in one line but Hanlen – who studied left-handed pitchers and quarterbacks for inspiration – thought that moving Barret’s elbow out would give him greater range of motion and make it easier to get his hand squarely under the ball.

The early returns were positive and Barrett was making progress but when he arrived at training camp the Knicks coaching staff then in place pushed back and demanded their prize rookie bring his elbow closer to his body again. The season turned into a struggle. The Knicks flailed to a 4-18 start, fired head coach David Fizdale and eventually cleaned out their management ranks too.

Barrett was caught in the crossfire.

“Not pointing fingers, but there was a level of frustration that he played with because he felt like he had made the shot change that he needed to make during the pre-draft and after putting three months of hard work to lock in those mechanics, they instantly go tweaked and changed to a place where he felt really uncomfortable and he lacked the confidence and consistency he needed,” said Hanlen.


Words can't describe how f'd this is.

Fiz geeting the rest of his contract is F*ckin highway robbery
martin @ 4/11/2021 6:22 PM
smackeddog wrote:https://www.sportsnet.ca/nba/article/ins...

Fantastic development work by Fiz once again....

They weren’t starting from scratch. In the build-up to the 2019 draft Barrett and Hanlen had tweaked his shooting form, including making the unconventional decision to move Barrett’s shooting elbow slightly to the left (he’s left-handed) of his shoulder. Traditionally the goal is to have the shoulder, elbow and hand all in one line but Hanlen – who studied left-handed pitchers and quarterbacks for inspiration – thought that moving Barret’s elbow out would give him greater range of motion and make it easier to get his hand squarely under the ball.

The early returns were positive and Barrett was making progress but when he arrived at training camp the Knicks coaching staff then in place pushed back and demanded their prize rookie bring his elbow closer to his body again. The season turned into a struggle. The Knicks flailed to a 4-18 start, fired head coach David Fizdale and eventually cleaned out their management ranks too.

Barrett was caught in the crossfire.

“Not pointing fingers, but there was a level of frustration that he played with because he felt like he had made the shot change that he needed to make during the pre-draft and after putting three months of hard work to lock in those mechanics, they instantly go tweaked and changed to a place where he felt really uncomfortable and he lacked the confidence and consistency he needed,” said Hanlen.

From the same article:

Ask Hanlen what Barrett will look to add to his game this coming summer and the trainer to the stars quickly lays out a multi-year plan that will touch on every aspect of Barrett’s offensive arsenal. This coming summer the focus will be on adding the ability to shoot threes off the dribble and on the move.

Part of Barrett’s improvement this season has been focusing on taking advantage of open catch-and-shoot opportunities. The next step is to be dangerous either coming off screens or pulling up off the dribble against sagging defenders.

As well, more attention will be given to adding some shiftiness to Barrett’s dribble-drive game as defenders have to honour his shooting.

Finally – likely heading into his fourth season –the goal will be developing a more varied package of shots to finish at the rim in traffic.

TPercy @ 4/11/2021 7:51 PM
ekstarks94 wrote:
TPercy wrote:
smackeddog wrote:https://www.sportsnet.ca/nba/article/ins...

Fantastic development work by Fiz once again....

They weren’t starting from scratch. In the build-up to the 2019 draft Barrett and Hanlen had tweaked his shooting form, including making the unconventional decision to move Barrett’s shooting elbow slightly to the left (he’s left-handed) of his shoulder. Traditionally the goal is to have the shoulder, elbow and hand all in one line but Hanlen – who studied left-handed pitchers and quarterbacks for inspiration – thought that moving Barret’s elbow out would give him greater range of motion and make it easier to get his hand squarely under the ball.

The early returns were positive and Barrett was making progress but when he arrived at training camp the Knicks coaching staff then in place pushed back and demanded their prize rookie bring his elbow closer to his body again. The season turned into a struggle. The Knicks flailed to a 4-18 start, fired head coach David Fizdale and eventually cleaned out their management ranks too.

Barrett was caught in the crossfire.

“Not pointing fingers, but there was a level of frustration that he played with because he felt like he had made the shot change that he needed to make during the pre-draft and after putting three months of hard work to lock in those mechanics, they instantly go tweaked and changed to a place where he felt really uncomfortable and he lacked the confidence and consistency he needed,” said Hanlen.


Words can't describe how f'd this is.

Fiz geeting the rest of his contract is F*ckin highway robbery

^^
TPercy @ 4/11/2021 7:53 PM
martin wrote:
smackeddog wrote:https://www.sportsnet.ca/nba/article/ins...

Fantastic development work by Fiz once again....

They weren’t starting from scratch. In the build-up to the 2019 draft Barrett and Hanlen had tweaked his shooting form, including making the unconventional decision to move Barrett’s shooting elbow slightly to the left (he’s left-handed) of his shoulder. Traditionally the goal is to have the shoulder, elbow and hand all in one line but Hanlen – who studied left-handed pitchers and quarterbacks for inspiration – thought that moving Barret’s elbow out would give him greater range of motion and make it easier to get his hand squarely under the ball.

The early returns were positive and Barrett was making progress but when he arrived at training camp the Knicks coaching staff then in place pushed back and demanded their prize rookie bring his elbow closer to his body again. The season turned into a struggle. The Knicks flailed to a 4-18 start, fired head coach David Fizdale and eventually cleaned out their management ranks too.

Barrett was caught in the crossfire.

“Not pointing fingers, but there was a level of frustration that he played with because he felt like he had made the shot change that he needed to make during the pre-draft and after putting three months of hard work to lock in those mechanics, they instantly go tweaked and changed to a place where he felt really uncomfortable and he lacked the confidence and consistency he needed,” said Hanlen.

From the same article:

Ask Hanlen what Barrett will look to add to his game this coming summer and the trainer to the stars quickly lays out a multi-year plan that will touch on every aspect of Barrett’s offensive arsenal. This coming summer the focus will be on adding the ability to shoot threes off the dribble and on the move.

Part of Barrett’s improvement this season has been focusing on taking advantage of open catch-and-shoot opportunities. The next step is to be dangerous either coming off screens or pulling up off the dribble against sagging defenders.

As well, more attention will be given to adding some shiftiness to Barrett’s dribble-drive game as defenders have to honour his shooting.

Finally – likely heading into his fourth season –the goal will be developing a more varied package of shots to finish at the rim in traffic.


Ambitious. If he can maintain his current splits while adding that to his game thats a close to a borderline all star.
martin @ 4/11/2021 8:02 PM
TPercy wrote:
martin wrote:
smackeddog wrote:https://www.sportsnet.ca/nba/article/ins...

Fantastic development work by Fiz once again....

They weren’t starting from scratch. In the build-up to the 2019 draft Barrett and Hanlen had tweaked his shooting form, including making the unconventional decision to move Barrett’s shooting elbow slightly to the left (he’s left-handed) of his shoulder. Traditionally the goal is to have the shoulder, elbow and hand all in one line but Hanlen – who studied left-handed pitchers and quarterbacks for inspiration – thought that moving Barret’s elbow out would give him greater range of motion and make it easier to get his hand squarely under the ball.

The early returns were positive and Barrett was making progress but when he arrived at training camp the Knicks coaching staff then in place pushed back and demanded their prize rookie bring his elbow closer to his body again. The season turned into a struggle. The Knicks flailed to a 4-18 start, fired head coach David Fizdale and eventually cleaned out their management ranks too.

Barrett was caught in the crossfire.

“Not pointing fingers, but there was a level of frustration that he played with because he felt like he had made the shot change that he needed to make during the pre-draft and after putting three months of hard work to lock in those mechanics, they instantly go tweaked and changed to a place where he felt really uncomfortable and he lacked the confidence and consistency he needed,” said Hanlen.

From the same article:

Ask Hanlen what Barrett will look to add to his game this coming summer and the trainer to the stars quickly lays out a multi-year plan that will touch on every aspect of Barrett’s offensive arsenal. This coming summer the focus will be on adding the ability to shoot threes off the dribble and on the move.

Part of Barrett’s improvement this season has been focusing on taking advantage of open catch-and-shoot opportunities. The next step is to be dangerous either coming off screens or pulling up off the dribble against sagging defenders.

As well, more attention will be given to adding some shiftiness to Barrett’s dribble-drive game as defenders have to honour his shooting.

Finally – likely heading into his fourth season –the goal will be developing a more varied package of shots to finish at the rim in traffic.


Ambitious. If he can maintain his current splits while adding that to his game thats a close to a borderline all star.

I would have loved to hear RJ work on finishing at the rim first but whatever works. I think he'll be an all star next year.

It's a great article and one in which the NY media should be embarrassed they didn't have details on first

martin @ 4/11/2021 11:26 PM
martin @ 4/11/2021 11:28 PM
Panos @ 4/11/2021 11:39 PM
martin wrote:

70% from 3!
Jesus!

martin @ 4/11/2021 11:44 PM
Panos @ 4/12/2021 12:07 AM
martin wrote:


Kris Middleton!
Puhlease. That ain't putting anybody on cloud 9

Panos @ 4/12/2021 12:08 AM
Again, my benchmark for RJ is Paul Pierce.
joec32033 @ 4/12/2021 1:18 AM
Panos wrote:Again, my benchmark for RJ is Paul Pierce.

FINALLY!

Panos @ 4/12/2021 11:19 PM
joec32033 wrote:
Panos wrote:Again, my benchmark for RJ is Paul Pierce.
FINALLY!

Finally?

joec32033 @ 4/13/2021 1:26 AM
Panos wrote:
joec32033 wrote:
Panos wrote:Again, my benchmark for RJ is Paul Pierce.
FINALLY!

Finally?

I've been comparing him to Pierce since they drafted him. Finally someone else sees it too.

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