Knicks · 2 gut check wins (page 2)
newyorknewyork wrote:knicks1248 wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:knicks1248 wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:Ups and downs but enjoying the ride!Yeah that pretty much the case with a 500 team
Which nobody predicted we would be.
With cap space, draft capital, flexibility to continue to improve.
Top 3 lotto pick, 20 yr old RJ Barrett continuing to get better, doing work in the 4th.I predicted 37 to 42 wins, while mostly everybody else in that thread went no higher than 30/31 wins.
Cap space and flexibility (which we have had the last 2 off season) have proven to be useful to us yet
Part of issue is that They're are almost no bad contracts in the NBA like they're used to be...Noah and Deng where the last of that era.
You do tend to guess higher number of wins every season for some reason.
Doesn't matter if we had cap space and flexibility for the last 2 off-seasons. What mattered were the options presented before the team and the decisions made. Properly evaluating Randle's value is what netted a positive signing. Even if he didn't become the player he became today, the value and contract was still really good. Trading Morris for the draft picks was also another move that was properly evaluated. Netted first round pick(Quickley), Detroits 2nd(currently the #33). As well as freeing up on average 16mil per yr in extension cost. Traded Morris picked up 2 possible long term pieces yet still able to hold a better record than last season. Alec Burk, Reggie Bullock, Nerlens Noel & even Elfrid Payton have all outplayed the contracts given to them. Thus also making them quality signings.
If they continue to make the proper evaluations with the assets, flexibility, cap space they hold. They will continue to be able to build a stronger team. That goes with the contracts offered if they look to retain players. Or if they look to upgrade from them. Either way, Knicks are in position to explore and capitalize on almost any option presented to them. While still fielding a competitive team.
I agree with you, but I honestly feel like the best thing the knicks did was assemble a top of line Coaching staff.
Other than MDA, i have been critical of every coaching staff we have had since JVG, but I knew from jump, before a single practice that this was the coaching staff to take us to the next level.
If Morris had stayed and resign, we would have still been in good shape, and also would have Drafted Haliburton, and maybe still got IQ in the early 2nd round.
It's all good though, there's no DYNASTY team in the Eastern conference so with the right moves this off season, I can see us jumping to Eastern conference contenders next yr, if we can maintain the coaching staff
knicks1248 wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:knicks1248 wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:knicks1248 wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:Ups and downs but enjoying the ride!Yeah that pretty much the case with a 500 team
Which nobody predicted we would be.
With cap space, draft capital, flexibility to continue to improve.
Top 3 lotto pick, 20 yr old RJ Barrett continuing to get better, doing work in the 4th.I predicted 37 to 42 wins, while mostly everybody else in that thread went no higher than 30/31 wins.
Cap space and flexibility (which we have had the last 2 off season) have proven to be useful to us yet
Part of issue is that They're are almost no bad contracts in the NBA like they're used to be...Noah and Deng where the last of that era.
You do tend to guess higher number of wins every season for some reason.
Doesn't matter if we had cap space and flexibility for the last 2 off-seasons. What mattered were the options presented before the team and the decisions made. Properly evaluating Randle's value is what netted a positive signing. Even if he didn't become the player he became today, the value and contract was still really good. Trading Morris for the draft picks was also another move that was properly evaluated. Netted first round pick(Quickley), Detroits 2nd(currently the #33). As well as freeing up on average 16mil per yr in extension cost. Traded Morris picked up 2 possible long term pieces yet still able to hold a better record than last season. Alec Burk, Reggie Bullock, Nerlens Noel & even Elfrid Payton have all outplayed the contracts given to them. Thus also making them quality signings.
If they continue to make the proper evaluations with the assets, flexibility, cap space they hold. They will continue to be able to build a stronger team. That goes with the contracts offered if they look to retain players. Or if they look to upgrade from them. Either way, Knicks are in position to explore and capitalize on almost any option presented to them. While still fielding a competitive team.
I agree with you, but I honestly feel like the best thing the knicks did was assemble a top of line Coaching staff.
Other than MDA, i have been critical of every coaching staff we have had since JVG, but I knew from jump, before a single practice that this was the coaching staff to take us to the next level.
If Morris had stayed and resign, we would have still been in good shape, and also would have Drafted Haliburton, and maybe still got IQ in the early 2nd round.
It's all good though, there's no DYNASTY team in the Eastern conference so with the right moves this off season, I can see us jumping to Eastern conference contenders next yr, if we can maintain the coaching staff
You're like a one trick pony. I remember you railing over and over against the Morris trade at the time and are still digging in on this. Based on the Knicks love affair with Obi - it is unlikely the Knicks would have drafted Haliburton. Nor is there any way of knowing if IQ would have lasted until we drafted in the 2nd round. Further, Morris plays essentially the same position as Randal and if kept, I would imagine might have inhibited what we've seen this year out of Randal in terms of production and leadership. Finally - from a salary cap distribution standpoint it would make little sense for a rebuilding and now emerging team to have both Morris and Randal as 2 of your higher salaries against the cap playing the same position.
knicks1248 wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:knicks1248 wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:knicks1248 wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:Ups and downs but enjoying the ride!Yeah that pretty much the case with a 500 team
Which nobody predicted we would be.
With cap space, draft capital, flexibility to continue to improve.
Top 3 lotto pick, 20 yr old RJ Barrett continuing to get better, doing work in the 4th.I predicted 37 to 42 wins, while mostly everybody else in that thread went no higher than 30/31 wins.
Cap space and flexibility (which we have had the last 2 off season) have proven to be useful to us yet
Part of issue is that They're are almost no bad contracts in the NBA like they're used to be...Noah and Deng where the last of that era.
You do tend to guess higher number of wins every season for some reason.
Doesn't matter if we had cap space and flexibility for the last 2 off-seasons. What mattered were the options presented before the team and the decisions made. Properly evaluating Randle's value is what netted a positive signing. Even if he didn't become the player he became today, the value and contract was still really good. Trading Morris for the draft picks was also another move that was properly evaluated. Netted first round pick(Quickley), Detroits 2nd(currently the #33). As well as freeing up on average 16mil per yr in extension cost. Traded Morris picked up 2 possible long term pieces yet still able to hold a better record than last season. Alec Burk, Reggie Bullock, Nerlens Noel & even Elfrid Payton have all outplayed the contracts given to them. Thus also making them quality signings.
If they continue to make the proper evaluations with the assets, flexibility, cap space they hold. They will continue to be able to build a stronger team. That goes with the contracts offered if they look to retain players. Or if they look to upgrade from them. Either way, Knicks are in position to explore and capitalize on almost any option presented to them. While still fielding a competitive team.
I agree with you, but I honestly feel like the best thing the knicks did was assemble a top of line Coaching staff.
Other than MDA, i have been critical of every coaching staff we have had since JVG, but I knew from jump, before a single practice that this was the coaching staff to take us to the next level.
If Morris had stayed and resign, we would have still been in good shape, and also would have Drafted Haliburton, and maybe still got IQ in the early 2nd round.
It's all good though, there's no DYNASTY team in the Eastern conference so with the right moves this off season, I can see us jumping to Eastern conference contenders next yr, if we can maintain the coaching staff
The fit with Morris wasn't good. His role and situation with the Clippers is the ideal situation for him to be in. As he is more of a stretch 4 playing off stars than a featured 3. At 30-31 offering him a long term commitment in the 4yrs 16mil per year range he got didn't make sense for the Knicks. Clippers are trying to capitalize on a window so don't care as much about the back end. With the Knicks, odds are high that he drops off the last 2 yrs of his contract. The yrs he may offer his best production before drop off doesn't align with our possible contender status. Then that's when we are looking to attach future first with his contract for another recycled player to maintain in the hunt.
Aleck Burk & Reggie Bullock combined were cheaper wing options for those mins to go to, who fit better and match is production. Propelling RJ into the 2nd option role, which will be one of the main sources of us reaching the next level.