Swishfm3 wrote:martin wrote:
yikes!!
We all spewing accolades about Miami all year long and how great they build their teams.
Obviously Something occurred on that team but what about Bucks play gettng praise?
TPercy wrote:@Miami Heat
Can they fit a few Knicks players?
Swishfm3 wrote:martin wrote:
yikes!!
yeah....but somehow someway, when miami looks like they cant do anything, riley pulls something out of his ass.
Knicksfan wrote:TPercy wrote:@Miami Heat
Can they fit a few Knicks players?
Hell no. We could have been swept and our guys still overachieved.The Heat were in the NBA finals last year and got swept in the first round. We are not the same.
Washington putting up a fight, but I don’t think Philly is going to let it go to game 5.
ToddTT wrote:Washington putting up a fight, but I don’t think Philly is going to let it go to game 5.
Didn’t know Embiid was out. Washington lives to fight another day.
PresIke wrote:http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topi...PresIke wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:PresIke wrote:So who's the signing you make this summer now that you'r seeing this?Can Lonzo and DRose play together?
Is he even the ideal answer?
I don't see Lonzo making a difference this series. We need someone who can create in the half-court. I don't see any viable options this year in FA.
That's what I was wondering too.
AND the lack of options in FA is not ideal.
Is there even a trade to be had that isn't problematic?
My secret dream: Dame Lillard
but we'd have to give up the damn farm
Lillard is great, no one except Curry is so lethal from anywhere in the opposing half of the field. But there are two problems. First, Portland just isn’t a team that believes in classic rebuilding and tanking so I don’t believe they would trade him at all. They will simply try to rearrange the pieces around him as long as he can carry the team. Second, if they miraculously decided to reset, you know they would be looking for RJ, IQ and all the picks and swaps we can give them. And the question is whether that would be enough.
xavier wrote:PresIke wrote:http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topi...PresIke wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:PresIke wrote:So who's the signing you make this summer now that you'r seeing this?Can Lonzo and DRose play together?
Is he even the ideal answer?
I don't see Lonzo making a difference this series. We need someone who can create in the half-court. I don't see any viable options this year in FA.
That's what I was wondering too.
AND the lack of options in FA is not ideal.
Is there even a trade to be had that isn't problematic?
My secret dream: Dame Lillard
but we'd have to give up the damn farm
Lillard is great, no one except Curry is so lethal from anywhere in the opposing half of the field. But there are two problems. First, Portland just isn’t a team that believes in classic rebuilding and tanking so I don’t believe they would trade him at all. They will simply try to rearrange the pieces around him as long as he can carry the team. Second, if they miraculously decided to reset, you know they would be looking for RJ, IQ and all the picks and swaps we can give them. And the question is whether that would be enough.
If one is to believe we can win a chip inside of 3 years with a core of Randle and Dame perhaps you move Barrett as the core return with 3 first round picks. I won’t speak for Portland and if its enough. We can always throw in what ever. Even IQ! All I have to do is type it in. OK......Barrett, Obi, IQ, Two picks. See how easy that was?
Do I think a core of Randle, Dame, Rose is enough firepower? Not really.
Do I move Randle as Portland at least can say they get a 27 year old all star in return, and three 1st round picks? Dallas Two and one of ours? Oh, and IQ if need be????
Re-emerge a more uptempo with Barrett, Dame, Obi........
More trades and FA to add to that. But core piece to get Dame I’d move Randle. Naturally this is Portland in a pickle as Dame would want out. If he don’t, he not going anywhere.
As much as I love randle I believe there is a ceiling with him.
Hard to not like Dame - he's clutch, loyal and seems to play hard every night. Only negative for him is he's 30 so giving up RJ and hoping Dame and Randle can get it done is a long shot IMO. If we were closer than maybe, but I think you only give up the farm for an older star when you're in title contention. I'd give up RJ for a younger star - otherwise I think it's best to build around RJ and view Randle as more expendable. Regardless of what we do (or don't do) - I hope we shift the offense and get the ball more out of Randle's hands. Not saying that just b/c he's struggling this series, but because it's easier to defend when one guy dominates the ball. Do think Lonzo would help simply because we'd have more movement and less spinovers.
martin wrote:
So that’s AD, CP3, Embiid, Murray, Doncic, Westbrook and Lebron all either out or compromised by injury
Damn, if Embiid is hurt, the only team that might stop the Nuts is Milwaukee.
xavier wrote:PresIke wrote:http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topi...PresIke wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:PresIke wrote:So who's the signing you make this summer now that you'r seeing this?Can Lonzo and DRose play together?
Is he even the ideal answer?
I don't see Lonzo making a difference this series. We need someone who can create in the half-court. I don't see any viable options this year in FA.
That's what I was wondering too.
AND the lack of options in FA is not ideal.
Is there even a trade to be had that isn't problematic?
My secret dream: Dame Lillard
but we'd have to give up the damn farm
Lillard is great, no one except Curry is so lethal from anywhere in the opposing half of the field. But there are two problems. First, Portland just isn’t a team that believes in classic rebuilding and tanking so I don’t believe they would trade him at all. They will simply try to rearrange the pieces around him as long as he can carry the team. Second, if they miraculously decided to reset, you know they would be looking for RJ, IQ and all the picks and swaps we can give them. And the question is whether that would be enough.
Did you notice that the games in this series that Lillard really goes off, Portland loses? Small sample size, I know but when everyone, even Melo (HIYA NALOD!), goes off around him, they win. I like Dame's game immensely better than West-brook-massive-emptystats-world, but they sometimes seem to have the same affect on their teammates; everyone else gets mesmerized and nobody else really helps out.
Selling the entire farm and future picks for someone who can't really carry a much, much more talented team than we have right now, is not the way to do things. IMHO
jrodmc wrote:xavier wrote:PresIke wrote:http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topi...PresIke wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:PresIke wrote:So who's the signing you make this summer now that you'r seeing this?Can Lonzo and DRose play together?
Is he even the ideal answer?
I don't see Lonzo making a difference this series. We need someone who can create in the half-court. I don't see any viable options this year in FA.
That's what I was wondering too.
AND the lack of options in FA is not ideal.
Is there even a trade to be had that isn't problematic?
My secret dream: Dame Lillard
but we'd have to give up the damn farm
Lillard is great, no one except Curry is so lethal from anywhere in the opposing half of the field. But there are two problems. First, Portland just isn’t a team that believes in classic rebuilding and tanking so I don’t believe they would trade him at all. They will simply try to rearrange the pieces around him as long as he can carry the team. Second, if they miraculously decided to reset, you know they would be looking for RJ, IQ and all the picks and swaps we can give them. And the question is whether that would be enough.
Did you notice that the games in this series that Lillard really goes off, Portland loses? Small sample size, I know but when everyone, even Melo (HIYA NALOD!), goes off around him, they win. I like Dame's game immensely better than West-brook-massive-emptystats-world, but they sometimes seem to have the same affect on their teammates; everyone else gets mesmerized and nobody else really helps out.
Selling the entire farm and future picks for someone who can't really carry a much, much more talented team than we have right now, is not the way to do things. IMHO
So you finally have come around to understand why the Melo trade all so many years was not in knicks best longer term interest despite his great ability to score points? That he could not carry the team on his back as one would have hoped? As it was hyped? As the Knicks sold it to fans as the “Savior”? I’m glad you finally see the light. You can love Melo and still see it as it was. nobody will deny your affection and make you take down the shrine in your man cave. We just grow and learn like everybody else.
But........
sometimes its the price you pay and how much is left on the roster after you do a mega deal. Lakers over paid for AD but got a chip. You can do that when you get Lebron for Free.
If Kawahi said “Get Lillard, I’ll come” then you have to look at your roster in terms of “Do i have enough to win in the next two years”.
I agree its intriguing but I don’t like it like that. Lakers got a cheap chip. Clippers are on the verge of the abyss if Kawahi leaves and they can’t replicate a haul for PG13. He had a rather good year so its possible.
Randle series had a familiar look to it. Looked like an allstar trying to carry his team in the playoffs that was not as good as it was in the regular season. We have seen this many times. Portland over the years wth Dame, Giannis in Milwaukee, Melo in NY (Not with Nuggs), Wilt Chamberlin pre 76ers, etc...........Its not really the player, its the team around him. Wilt when he was at his most dominant only one a single chip in PHilly. The buzz saw that was Celtics were a TEAM. That too is an old story that TEAM can beat a single star.
this is what makes Lebrons run so phenomenal. I know, he is not “Jordan” but his run to carry mediocre teams to the finals only to lose is really a feat itself. But we don’t celebrate “Losers”. so be it.
Melo, Giannis and Randle we see as stained because they can’t do what we want them to. Giannis is still in the game and might come thru this year with a better team around him.
Nets for obvious reasons on paper have to be the favorite. with a limited fan base and a team that really has not played much together its a starphuch chip. While ATL has many new faces this year its youth core is organic and that is attractive. I hope the city of ATL really gets behind its team and becomes a better basketball town. New ownership has done well. They can’t feel too bad about Doncic as Trae has fulfilled his value.
Do I want Dame? Can I keep RJ? That matters. In fact, tell me what we look like in the aftermath and then I’d render an opinion. I’ll still root for them of course. They love Dame in Portland. I’d out it comes to him leaving unless he requests it.
I rooted for Melo to succeed. Can’t say I loved the guy before he came to NY but I appreciated the talent. Hated the deal but not the player. Glad JROD you now understand and agree with me. 
My team got mercilessly bounced by Atlanta out of the playoffs the other night, but I could not care less, because I get to revel in KPorzee scoring only a measly 8 points. Ain't schadenfreude grand?
Thought this would happen, doesn’t mean he’d leave the suns- doubt I’s want him for 3 or 4 years at that price!
Has Drummond done anything in the playoffs yet? I havent watched any of that series
martin wrote:Has Drummond done anything in the playoffs yet? I havent watched any of that series
I never got the hype for their offseason, but once AD and Lebron went down with their injuries it was all over weeks ago- didn't understand why so many writers had them pegged to beat the Suns, almost unquestioningly! Wonder what they do this offseason, they're a mes at the moment and likely Schroeder is leaving.
