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Boston Celtics President of Basketball Operations Danny Ainge is seriously considering his future with the franchise and could make a decision to step down, sources tell ESPN.
He sucks as gm and he needs to go. He got scared pulling off an AD trade.
As a GM didn't he pull off the KG and Ray Allen trades that led them to a championship? And didn't he pull off the KG/Paul Pierce trade to the Nets that yielded assets that maintained having a contending team? I just don't see how anybody can objectively say Ainge sucked as a GM. He may not have maximized those picks he got from the Nets but he has clearly been a successful GM. It's just that his time has passed.
Rumor is that Brad Stevens will assume the GM role for the Celts and they will look for a new HC.
WOODMANnYk wrote:He sucks as gm and he needs to go. He got scared pulling off an AD trade.
He sucks and needs to stay. Fuck Boston
Welpee wrote:As a GM didn't he pull off the KG and Ray Allen trades that led them to a championship? And didn't he pull off the KG/Paul Pierce trade to the Nets that yielded assets that maintained having a contending team? I just don't see how anybody can objectively say Ainge sucked as a GM. He may not have maximized those picks he got from the Nets but he has clearly been a successful GM. It's just that his time has passed.
he also signed broken Kemba and oft-injured hayward
very questionable drafting outside of Tatum and Jaylen and Jaylen was looking like a bust early on
For KG and the KG/Pierce he exploited dumb, dumb franchises
Welpee wrote:As a GM didn't he pull off the KG and Ray Allen trades that led them to a championship? And didn't he pull off the KG/Paul Pierce trade to the Nets that yielded assets that maintained having a contending team? I just don't see how anybody can objectively say Ainge sucked as a GM. He may not have maximized those picks he got from the Nets but he has clearly been a successful GM. It's just that his time has passed.
He also turned the number 1 pick(fultz) to third(tatum) plus a future first round pick. That to me was his biggest underrated move.
Rookie wrote:WOODMANnYk wrote:He sucks as gm and he needs to go. He got scared pulling off an AD trade.
He sucks and needs to stay. Fuck Boston
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I bought this up a few days back as a question. It just feels like its time for him to move on. He had a great run and made some great moves. Not all executed as hoped. Thats how it works.
Its not about his history. It’s about a man who has had the health issues really up to the task going forward. Its a stressful business. He has little to prove and is likely financially secure.
Not sure Brad Stevens as GM is a good idea but he is super capable and can grow into the job. Maybe team needs a new voice to coach them as well.
Ainge did a great job. The blame thing? Sure they under achieved given the on paper talent they had but injuries matter, personalities matter, bad luck matters, and covid mattered.
Chandler wrote:Welpee wrote:As a GM didn't he pull off the KG and Ray Allen trades that led them to a championship? And didn't he pull off the KG/Paul Pierce trade to the Nets that yielded assets that maintained having a contending team? I just don't see how anybody can objectively say Ainge sucked as a GM. He may not have maximized those picks he got from the Nets but he has clearly been a successful GM. It's just that his time has passed.
he also signed broken Kemba and oft-injured hayward
very questionable drafting outside of Tatum and Jaylen and Jaylen was looking like a bust early on
For KG and the KG/Pierce he exploited dumb, dumb franchises
1) Hayward averaged over 76 games per season the four seasons prior to joining Boston so he was not "oft-injured."
2) Kemba played 81, 79, 80, and 82 games the four season prior to joining Boston and averaged 25 ppg the season the year before he arrived in Boston. So how was he "broken?"
3) So Ainge is judged by what Brown "looked" like early in his career versus the guy becoming an all-star?
4) Red Auerbach did the exact same thing, exploiting dumb franchises. So does he suck too?
I'm sorry, your post is ridiculous and factually inaccurate.
Welpee wrote:Chandler wrote:Welpee wrote:As a GM didn't he pull off the KG and Ray Allen trades that led them to a championship? And didn't he pull off the KG/Paul Pierce trade to the Nets that yielded assets that maintained having a contending team? I just don't see how anybody can objectively say Ainge sucked as a GM. He may not have maximized those picks he got from the Nets but he has clearly been a successful GM. It's just that his time has passed.
he also signed broken Kemba and oft-injured hayward
very questionable drafting outside of Tatum and Jaylen and Jaylen was looking like a bust early on
For KG and the KG/Pierce he exploited dumb, dumb franchises
1) Hayward averaged over 76 games per season the four seasons prior to joining Boston so he was not "oft-injured."
2) Kemba played 81, 79, 80, and 82 games the four season prior to joining Boston and averaged 25 ppg the season the year before he arrived in Boston. So how was he "broken?"
3) So Ainge is judged by what Brown "looked" like early in his career versus the guy becoming an all-star?
4) Red Auerbach did the exact same thing, exploiting dumb franchises. So does he suck too?I'm sorry, your post is ridiculous and factually inaccurate.
The Kyrie Trade was brilliant and most stand to logic he resigns. He underestimated how off the wall Kyrie really was. He was not alone. Kemba for a championship aspiring team made sense.
Ainge set the table really well at times. Masterful job. Its like lambasting a team for losing a lead. Does the fact a large lead was created not demonstrate something? Its like a team up by 20 then wins it by a small margin and then blast them for blowing the lead.
Ainge success is why he looks bad now. Chew on that.
WOODMANnYk wrote:He sucks as gm and he needs to go. He got scared pulling off an AD trade.
Has been the Celtics front office since 2003. Would have loved to have close to that level of suckiness in the Knicks front office over that time period.
Welpee wrote:As a GM didn't he pull off the KG and Ray Allen trades that led them to a championship? And didn't he pull off the KG/Paul Pierce trade to the Nets that yielded assets that maintained having a contending team? I just don't see how anybody can objectively say Ainge sucked as a GM. He may not have maximized those picks he got from the Nets but he has clearly been a successful GM. It's just that his time has passed.
I feel like Kevin McHale really pulled off that first trade for Boston, not Ainge
martin wrote:Welpee wrote:As a GM didn't he pull off the KG and Ray Allen trades that led them to a championship? And didn't he pull off the KG/Paul Pierce trade to the Nets that yielded assets that maintained having a contending team? I just don't see how anybody can objectively say Ainge sucked as a GM. He may not have maximized those picks he got from the Nets but he has clearly been a successful GM. It's just that his time has passed.
I feel like Kevin McHale really pulled off that first trade for Boston, not Ainge
I doubt very seriously Ainge was just sitting on the sofa eating nachos while McHale put the trade together.
Nalod wrote:Welpee wrote:Chandler wrote:Welpee wrote:As a GM didn't he pull off the KG and Ray Allen trades that led them to a championship? And didn't he pull off the KG/Paul Pierce trade to the Nets that yielded assets that maintained having a contending team? I just don't see how anybody can objectively say Ainge sucked as a GM. He may not have maximized those picks he got from the Nets but he has clearly been a successful GM. It's just that his time has passed.
he also signed broken Kemba and oft-injured hayward
very questionable drafting outside of Tatum and Jaylen and Jaylen was looking like a bust early on
For KG and the KG/Pierce he exploited dumb, dumb franchises
1) Hayward averaged over 76 games per season the four seasons prior to joining Boston so he was not "oft-injured."
2) Kemba played 81, 79, 80, and 82 games the four season prior to joining Boston and averaged 25 ppg the season the year before he arrived in Boston. So how was he "broken?"
3) So Ainge is judged by what Brown "looked" like early in his career versus the guy becoming an all-star?
4) Red Auerbach did the exact same thing, exploiting dumb franchises. So does he suck too?I'm sorry, your post is ridiculous and factually inaccurate.
The Kyrie Trade was brilliant and most stand to logic he resigns. He underestimated how off the wall Kyrie really was. He was not alone. Kemba for a championship aspiring team made sense.
Ainge set the table really well at times. Masterful job. Its like lambasting a team for losing a lead. Does the fact a large lead was created not demonstrate something? Its like a team up by 20 then wins it by a small margin and then blast them for blowing the lead.
Ainge success is why he looks bad now. Chew on that.
Exactly. Talk about broken down, Ainge somehow flipped a truly broken down Isaiah Thomas and obtained Kyrie.
Welpee wrote:martin wrote:Welpee wrote:As a GM didn't he pull off the KG and Ray Allen trades that led them to a championship? And didn't he pull off the KG/Paul Pierce trade to the Nets that yielded assets that maintained having a contending team? I just don't see how anybody can objectively say Ainge sucked as a GM. He may not have maximized those picks he got from the Nets but he has clearly been a successful GM. It's just that his time has passed.
I feel like Kevin McHale really pulled off that first trade for Boston, not Ainge
I doubt very seriously Ainge was just sitting on the sofa eating nachos while McHale put the trade together.
I feel like you really missed my intent there 
Stevens will be President and perhaps they hire a GM or maintain one. They recently extended his contract.
Maybe owners felt Ainge was a bit too loyal to some players and coaches and needed a fresh approach. Ainge himself went from coach to GM of the Suns, so its not like Stevens is setting a trend.
Does Ainge really want to jump back in? Rumors are Utah might be interested?
Ainge kind of kept kicking the can down the road but with success.
martin wrote:
I'm pretty sure I've read several times over the years that opposing GMs are sick of him leading them up the garden path when it comes to trades- not sure if it's case that he has a lot of writers on his side rather than being well respected, but I could be mistaken!
smackeddog wrote:martin wrote:
I'm pretty sure I've read several times over the years that opposing GMs are sick of him leading them up the guardian path when it comes to trades- not sure if it's case that he has a lot of writers on his side rather than being well respected, but I could be mistaken!
His record speaks for itself. He made some masterful deals. You know at some point its also on the players and coaches to get it done. I think Danny who I hated as a player really has killed it as the architect of the team. Nobody spoke ill of Kyrie in teh aftermath of him leaving. Haywood injury was a total disaster. Horford was excellent for them. Kemba was a stretch but have to go the moment not two years later in hindsight and covid. It made sense.
No they did not get a chip but he sure as hell did his job. He was no Auerbach but few have been either.
