I know the back issue scared off a lot of folks. I was dead set against picking him.
But this is not one of those- who could have seen this player becoming a great talent. Everyone knew he was uber talented, just a questionable back.
But Kevin Knox will be a throw in on some deal this summer, and out of the league the year after.
I was thinking the same thing when I watched the Denver Portland games. The media would have been all over the Knicks if they would have picked a kid that had to sit out a year. Would they have perused Randle as a free agent knowing they had this kid waiting in the wings?
I said the same thing on draft night. Where we drafted him we were going to need to get lucky with where we picked to get a star. Porter was a sure thing, the worry was and is how long that's the case. But it feels like we declined to cash a winning lotto ticket
The media circus, fan pressure and the overall culture of a large market team would not allow such a pick. Thats why he's flourishing on a small market team. Eventually these large market teams will have to adjust and learn from these situations. For example, we have a player that was an MVP candidate...he craps in the playoffs, and the media and fans are talking about trading him. There's no patience with any large market team, especially a team that hasn't won since 1973....and has been a laughing stock for over 20 yrs.
Hopefully this is a learning lesson for everybody.....Time can sometimes be the best recipe for growth and success. Time to change this culture now and start growing these young guys from with in. So when the right opportunity comes to add star players, we have a foundation to build on.
Every draft will have a player or 2 we should've added. Hindsight is alway 20 20. Let this be a learning lesson for this new FO moving forward. They should always have a longterm and short-term plan. Porter shouldve been part of a long term plan. I remember hoping we picked him up since he slid to us in the draft. And we wasn't close to a championship team so we could've taken a chance on him. But the pressure to win now still hangs over our head. Just read some of these thread titles in this forum, if you need proof that there's no patience with the knicks. We want to win now culture!
blkexec wrote:The media circus, fan pressure and the overall culture of a large market team would not allow such a pick. Thats why he's flourishing on a small market team. Eventually these large market teams will have to adjust and learn from these situations. For example, we have a player that was an MVP candidate...he craps in the playoffs, and the media and fans are talking about trading him. There's no patience with any large market team, especially a team that hasn't won since 1973....and has been a laughing stock for over 20 yrs.Hopefully this is a learning lesson for everybody.....Time can sometimes be the best recipe for growth and success. Time to change this culture now and start growing these young guys from with in. So when the right opportunity comes to add star players, we have a foundation to build on.
Every draft will have a player or 2 we should've added. Hindsight is alway 20 20. Let this be a learning lesson for this new FO moving forward. They should always have a longterm and short-term plan. Porter shouldve been part of a long term plan. I remember hoping we picked him up since he slid to us in the draft. And we wasn't close to a championship team so we could've taken a chance on him. But the pressure to win now still hangs over our head. Just read some of these thread titles in this forum, if you need proof that there's no patience with the knicks. We want to win now culture!
The Randle example is spot on.
We all thought it because it was in front of us. Obviously in hindsight we get claity. But a franchise floundering taking a broken player who did relatively nothing for two years the optics would have looked bad. Remember, its not like in hindsight we cold have had porter and hung Knox to say “oh, you preferred we did this instead”? In that time remember KP was rehabbing and had yet to make his stink. Fiz was in his first season and all was looking up!!!
Denver had the picks and the talent to take that flier and wait. Totally would have been on board for that but not sure it works out so great. Porter would have had a lot of pressure to come in and perform were instead he got to get his body together and adjust in the time of two crazy covid seasons. Some players got to thrive and others floundered. These are very young men and there lives/existence is on the line. Not like life or death but the build up to reach the top 1% of all players in the world and he to make good. its intense. some do, some don’t.
Is it fair? Frank was given 55 starting games to prove himself. He has improved and was coming along but just can’t grab the brass ring and keep it. Kevin was a project and we he no idea what knicks think of his prospects. In the house of Thibs the bar is raised high from day one. what we see and knicks project might not be one and the same.
Payne had this kid in college and knows if he came too early or just does not have it. He was given a fair shot to play this season.
Porter JR has the league MVP whose best attributes are passing because he is a weapon. He makes others around him better. Porter has benefited from that. He would not here. He got ease into NBA life off the bench and make plays without the ball. We never asked Kevin to do that until year two. Thibs demands it season three. Porter was 4 option before Murray got hurt. What he is doing is playing with restraint and letting the game come to him. Prior to this year the game that came to Knox was filled with losing.
Jury is still on Kev. Porters Verdict has been read. Sadly likely so has Franks.
We just weren't in a position to take on such a big risk. Think about how much flack we're currently getting for Knox not producing. Imagine if we selected Porter and he didn't produce because he had a pre-existing back issue that we knew about prior to the draft. The organization would be getting twice as much heat for selecting a player 8th knowing he had a very complicated back issue. Remember, Porter had to have TWO surgeries to recover from that issue.
Yeah, in hindsight it looks bad but I give the Knicks a pass on this one. Not selecting SGA or either of the the Bridges guys is a different matter.
franco12 wrote:I know the back issue scared off a lot of folks. I was dead set against picking him.But this is not one of those- who could have seen this player becoming a great talent. Everyone knew he was uber talented, just a questionable back.
But Kevin Knox will be a throw in on some deal this summer, and out of the league the year after.
Woulda, coulda, shoulda...
It was certainly a gamble selecting MPjr. And in this case it paid off...so far.
blkexec wrote:The media circus, fan pressure and the overall culture of a large market team would not allow such a pick. Thats why he's flourishing on a small market team. Eventually these large market teams will have to adjust and learn from these situations. For example, we have a player that was an MVP candidate...he craps in the playoffs, and the media and fans are talking about trading him. There's no patience with any large market team, especially a team that hasn't won since 1973....and has been a laughing stock for over 20 yrs.Hopefully this is a learning lesson for everybody.....Time can sometimes be the best recipe for growth and success. Time to change this culture now and start growing these young guys from with in. So when the right opportunity comes to add star players, we have a foundation to build on.
Every draft will have a player or 2 we should've added. Hindsight is alway 20 20. Let this be a learning lesson for this new FO moving forward. They should always have a longterm and short-term plan. Porter shouldve been part of a long term plan. I remember hoping we picked him up since he slid to us in the draft. And we wasn't close to a championship team so we could've taken a chance on him. But the pressure to win now still hangs over our head. Just read some of these thread titles in this forum, if you need proof that there's no patience with the knicks. We want to win now culture!
I think we just did a lousy job developing Knox and frank, and I think they were way to young for this market and stage.
The knicks franchise has had too many players with injury histories to even consider MPJ at the time. Would the knicks have sign Randle if we had MPJ
With KP injured drafting a guy that was going to miss the season was just not happening.
Passing on Mikal Bridges was the big mistake, because he was a sure fire starter and solved a tremendous need for the team.
I don’t think it’s a could of would have should have situation. Same with Frank, the graphic that followed the Knicks drafting him was highest bust potential in the draft.
Denver always seems to draft well. As do the Thunder, Spurs etc.
Good player but he has said some things about covid and about vaccines that I don't think would fly in New York. He said covid is a tool to control the masses and that he has never been vaccinated his entire life. That's fine. Just think those issues would've blown up in his face in New York.
MS wrote:With KP injured drafting a guy that was going to miss the season was just not happening.Passing on Mikal Bridges was the big mistake, because he was a sure fire starter and solved a tremendous need for the team.
I don’t think it’s a could of would have should have situation. Same with Frank, the graphic that followed the Knicks drafting him was highest bust potential in the draft.
Denver always seems to draft well. As do the Thunder, Spurs etc.
I don't know:
https://www.basketball-reference.com/tea...It's funny how one or two great picks can shape a team's draft narrative and people forget all of the bad picks. Picking Jokic in the 2nd round was great, but they have a lot of picks that didn't exactly pan out. Not to mention picks they made that they traded to other teams (i.e. Donovan Mitchell and Rudy Gobert) and they got nothing in return.
Welpee wrote:MS wrote:With KP injured drafting a guy that was going to miss the season was just not happening.Passing on Mikal Bridges was the big mistake, because he was a sure fire starter and solved a tremendous need for the team.
I don’t think it’s a could of would have should have situation. Same with Frank, the graphic that followed the Knicks drafting him was highest bust potential in the draft.
Denver always seems to draft well. As do the Thunder, Spurs etc.
I don't know: https://www.basketball-reference.com/tea...It's funny how one or two great picks can shape a team's draft narrative and people forget all of the bad picks. Picking Jokic in the 2nd round was great, but they have a lot of picks that didn't exactly pan out. Not to mention picks they made that they traded to other teams (i.e. Donovan Mitchell and Rudy Gobert) and they got nothing in return.
Interesting how we never highlight the misses but we glorify the hits. I didnt realize they traded Mitchell or Gorbert. And bridges was my pick from the start. Knox was a gamble that hasn't worked yet. Porter Jr was a gamble that worked out. Sometimes it's just that simple. But bridges hurt a little. You rarely get to pick a mature college player who fits your team needs like a glove. Oh well....RJ is our SF now and I believe he has nba all star potential. Bridges is just a very solid contributor on a solid team. Does he have all star potential? Sure, the same potential RJ has.
Didn’t he have back problems coming out of the draft? That’s the reason he dropped if I remember correctly.
I maintain, the miss that year will always have been SGA.
HoustonSprewell84 wrote:Didn’t he have back problems coming out of the draft? That’s the reason he dropped if I remember correctly.
Back, knee and other issues. His brother, who was also a pro prospect, and his sister, a NCAA athlete, also had an injury issues. His medical coming into the draft were also described as scary. Denver was one of the only lottery teams who could afford to gamble.
Bring on the Regret Threads!
I'm not playing this game.
He was a big risk and not one i was willing to take. *I* would have roasted the Knicks if they made that pick, nevermind the press. I'm still stinging over the McDyess (knee) trade and the Eddy Curry (bad heart) and Amare (knees) albatross signing. I was not interested in sinking an 8 pick in that risk.
That they wasted the pick on Knox is a different issue. I thought the pick was between the two Bridges, and that Calipari endorsement somehow led them to try to get cute. But i am not even that upset about that either. He had potential, just didn't pan out.
(Frank, however, was a CLEAR reach at 8.)
blkexec wrote:The media circus, fan pressure and the overall culture of a large market team would not allow such a pick. Thats why he's flourishing on a small market team. Eventually these large market teams will have to adjust and learn from these situations. For example, we have a player that was an MVP candidate...he craps in the playoffs, and the media and fans are talking about trading him. There's no patience with any large market team, especially a team that hasn't won since 1973....and has been a laughing stock for over 20 yrs.Hopefully this is a learning lesson for everybody.....Time can sometimes be the best recipe for growth and success. Time to change this culture now and start growing these young guys from with in. So when the right opportunity comes to add star players, we have a foundation to build on.
Every draft will have a player or 2 we should've added. Hindsight is alway 20 20. Let this be a learning lesson for this new FO moving forward. They should always have a longterm and short-term plan. Porter shouldve been part of a long term plan. I remember hoping we picked him up since he slid to us in the draft. And we wasn't close to a championship team so we could've taken a chance on him. But the pressure to win now still hangs over our head. Just read some of these thread titles in this forum, if you need proof that there's no patience with the knicks. We want to win now culture!
Yup
franco12 wrote:I know the back issue scared off a lot of folks. I was dead set against picking him.But this is not one of those- who could have seen this player becoming a great talent. Everyone knew he was uber talented, just a questionable back.
But Kevin Knox will be a throw in on some deal this summer, and out of the league the year after.
No team can be held to the fire for avoiding MPJr. He got bad advice from his agent and his medical records only went to a few select teams and then was only done right before the actual draft.
It was a gamble that could have cost him up to 20 million plus on his first contract.
The reason for the gamble is that it protects the agent more than the player. If the agent says let's hide everything, the player and his family can only blame the teams for not having faith in him. It's pushing at the player's ego. If the agent says let's reveal it all, and the player freefalls, which is likely, the player either dumps the agent or shit talks him to all future possible clients.
I still have no fucking clue why the Knicks picked Knox. He's lazy. He's always been lazy. You don't grab a guy and hope he shows up and decides to finally work hard.
