Ben simmons over rated 4 games of single digit scoring thats not a star.
BRIGGS wrote:Ben simmons over rated 4 games of single digit scoring thats not a star.
It looks like he quit on them. Changes coming in philly.
Knixkik wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Ben simmons over rated 4 games of single digit scoring thats not a star.
It looks like he quit on them. Changes coming in philly.
Yep, his value has tanked though- will Morey be happy trading him while his value is so poor? Maybe could have tried for Lillard, now will likely have to try for CJ instead (and even that might be iffy now, judging by how bad he's been. I'd be interested to see a team trade for him and move him to C, takes the heat off him regarding shooting, become more like Joakim Noah maybe?
oof, just looked up Simmons contract: $33mil, $35mil, $37mil, $40mil
I never understood the facination with Simmons.
He barely has a pulse on offense.
He often misses easy shots and really does not orchestrate unless he has another star taking all the attention.
Embid being hurt really exposed his glaring weaknesses, never mind he cannot even hit free throws.
It seems to me the only reason he is considered a star is because of his draft position.
Simmons perhaps was seen like Giannis? The athletic gifts are there. Then comes into inconsistency and fundamentals to over come it. Then how to use it and when. Covid practice limitations the last 18 month does not help. Not excuses but reasons.
Until he develops a shot worthy of his contract he will be viewed as limited.
smackeddog wrote:oof, just looked up Simmons contract: $33mil, $35mil, $37mil, $40mil
I can't even figure out team where he would be a good fit.
3x all star..HOW?
knicks1248 wrote:smackeddog wrote:oof, just looked up Simmons contract: $33mil, $35mil, $37mil, $40mil
I can't even figure out team where he would be a good fit.
3x all star..HOW?
I would rather have Kemba Walker!
knicks1248 wrote:smackeddog wrote:oof, just looked up Simmons contract: $33mil, $35mil, $37mil, $40mil
I can't even figure out team where he would be a good fit.
3x all star..HOW?
I could see him going to Toronto in a big deal. Maybe for Lowry and Anunoby or something along though lines.
Simmons was always seen as a Giannis type but he’s more Draymond these days. Obviously draymond at best is a 3rd or 4th best player on a great team even in his prime.
Atlanta won that series without 1 minute from hunter who was invaluable against us. I think philly scored more with his absence. But they stepped up. Huerter and Gallo especially
Knixkik wrote:knicks1248 wrote:smackeddog wrote:oof, just looked up Simmons contract: $33mil, $35mil, $37mil, $40mil
I can't even figure out team where he would be a good fit.
3x all star..HOW?
I could see him going to Toronto in a big deal. Maybe for Lowry and Anunoby or something along though lines.
Simmons was always seen as a Giannis type but he’s more Draymond these days. Obviously draymond at best is a 3rd or 4th best player on a great team even in his prime.
I could see it as well. As much as I dislike Ben, he isn't worthless. He's still a yearly DPOY candidate who could be that Draymond type if he grows a slither of work ethic. Ben for Lowry in a straight swap works. I doubt Raps give up OG tho..
BRIGGS wrote:Atlanta won that series without 1 minute from hunter who was invaluable against us. I think philly scored more with his absence. But they stepped up. Huerter and Gallo especially
I was thinking Huerter looked great - and I'm looking at his stats on basketball reference, and thinking - wow, you can really grab a good player at 19 - we've got two picks there.
then I look and see we got Kevin Knox, Atlanta got Huerter after!
And watching Gallo - I sure would like to see us draft and keep a player his whole career.
I would take Ben in heartbeart. You guys who say he's trash obviously dont understand him or watch basketball. He's got a couple of big flaws in his game that have been exposed repeatedly and Ben isnt the first "star" to be exposed in such a way. He's not a scorer. He gets 15 a game because he's big and fast and so good at creating for others. He's got a role in the offense and being an option isnt really part of it.
He's one of the best defensive players in the league and truly an impact player there. A top 4 league defender in any generation who can guard 1-5.
He would be an amazing point forward on the Knicks. You put him at 3, let him guard the toughest guys and he runs the offense which allows a team like the Knicks to play a non-PG shooting type like IQ at PG for 30+ minutes a game because Ben is running the offense.
Something like Obi/Knox and 3 FRPs (really a low ball as our picks suck) would suck for Phili (they would want 5 FRPs and IQ) which isnt worth it as Knicks wouldnt have any cap space/picks/assets to build anything better than a good defensive squad that cant score and gets bounced in the 2nd round every year (hey! Like Phili!)
But think about a starting line up of: IQ/RJ/Simmons/Julius/Mitch
Thats the best defensive team in the league and if IQ/RJ/Julius sustain their shooting you have good spacing.
Anyway its fart in the wind but Ben Simmons is absolutely an impact player. He's not a finisher but what he does gets you to there every time. There are not a lot of players good enough to do that. The only thing that would put the Knicks in the talks is their cap allows them more options than most other teams.
fishmike wrote:I would take Ben in heartbeart. You guys who say he's trash obviously dont understand him or watch basketball. He's got a couple of big flaws in his game that have been exposed repeatedly and Ben isnt the first "star" to be exposed in such a way. He's not a scorer. He gets 15 a game because he's big and fast and so good at creating for others. He's got a role in the offense and being an option isnt really part of it.He's one of the best defensive players in the league and truly an impact player there. A top 4 league defender in any generation who can guard 1-5.
He would be an amazing point forward on the Knicks. You put him at 3, let him guard the toughest guys and he runs the offense which allows a team like the Knicks to play a non-PG shooting type like IQ at PG for 30+ minutes a game because Ben is running the offense.
Something like Obi/Knox and 3 FRPs (really a low ball as our picks suck) would suck for Phili (they would want 5 FRPs and IQ) which isnt worth it as Knicks wouldnt have any cap space/picks/assets to build anything better than a good defensive squad that cant score and gets bounced in the 2nd round every year (hey! Like Phili!)
But think about a starting line up of: IQ/RJ/Simmons/Julius/Mitch
Thats the best defensive team in the league and if IQ/RJ/Julius sustain their shooting you have good spacing.
Anyway its fart in the wind but Ben Simmons is absolutely an impact player. He's not a finisher but what he does gets you to there every time. There are not a lot of players good enough to do that. The only thing that would put the Knicks in the talks is their cap allows them more options than most other teams.
We were tops in the league in defense without an overpaid chucklehead (who can't SHOOT A FUCKING FREE THROW AT 30-40MM A YEAR) and we were eliminated in the first round.
Who's not watching basketball?
jrodmc wrote:fishmike wrote:I would take Ben in heartbeart. You guys who say he's trash obviously dont understand him or watch basketball. He's got a couple of big flaws in his game that have been exposed repeatedly and Ben isnt the first "star" to be exposed in such a way. He's not a scorer. He gets 15 a game because he's big and fast and so good at creating for others. He's got a role in the offense and being an option isnt really part of it.He's one of the best defensive players in the league and truly an impact player there. A top 4 league defender in any generation who can guard 1-5.
He would be an amazing point forward on the Knicks. You put him at 3, let him guard the toughest guys and he runs the offense which allows a team like the Knicks to play a non-PG shooting type like IQ at PG for 30+ minutes a game because Ben is running the offense.
Something like Obi/Knox and 3 FRPs (really a low ball as our picks suck) would suck for Phili (they would want 5 FRPs and IQ) which isnt worth it as Knicks wouldnt have any cap space/picks/assets to build anything better than a good defensive squad that cant score and gets bounced in the 2nd round every year (hey! Like Phili!)
But think about a starting line up of: IQ/RJ/Simmons/Julius/Mitch
Thats the best defensive team in the league and if IQ/RJ/Julius sustain their shooting you have good spacing.
Anyway its fart in the wind but Ben Simmons is absolutely an impact player. He's not a finisher but what he does gets you to there every time. There are not a lot of players good enough to do that. The only thing that would put the Knicks in the talks is their cap allows them more options than most other teams.
We were tops in the league in defense without an overpaid chucklehead (who can't SHOOT A FUCKING FREE THROW AT 30-40MM A YEAR) and we were eliminated in the first round.
Who's not watching basketball?
Also we were the Knicks last year, and will still be the Knicks next year also. Glad you are paying attention to details.
literally the first year Simmons plays the sixers go from 54 losses to 52 wins and have been good since. Classic example of fans not appreciating a guy for what he does, instead they hate for what he cant do. Like when folks around here said crazy shit like "we would be better if Melo wanted to pass or play defense"
Ben is 24 and a 3x all star for a reason. Of course "we were already good at defense" so who needs him. Following the same logic we were also the 3rd best 3 point shooting team so we dont need shooters either. Wait what do we need again?
TPercy wrote:Knixkik wrote:knicks1248 wrote:smackeddog wrote:oof, just looked up Simmons contract: $33mil, $35mil, $37mil, $40mil
I can't even figure out team where he would be a good fit.
3x all star..HOW?
I could see him going to Toronto in a big deal. Maybe for Lowry and Anunoby or something along though lines.
Simmons was always seen as a Giannis type but he’s more Draymond these days. Obviously draymond at best is a 3rd or 4th best player on a great team even in his prime.
I could see it as well. As much as I dislike Ben, he isn't worthless. He's still a yearly DPOY candidate who could be that Draymond type if he grows a slither of work ethic. Ben for Lowry in a straight swap works. I doubt Raps give up OG tho..
Problem with Simmons shooting is probably between his ears and not work ethic. He needs a shrink to fix it more than anything else.
This is might be the peak backlash against Simmons.
I think he's a huge difference maker for Philly - 5 position defender, playmaker in the open floor. Very unique skillset. Guy is shooting with the wrong hand. He has a confidence problem and a form problem. For example, the Knicls staff fixed RJ Barrett from a form/function standpoint. How do you fix a brain that's lost confidence? I've rarely seen athletes overcome the "Knoblauch" syndrome.
jrodmc wrote:fishmike wrote:I would take Ben in heartbeart. You guys who say he's trash obviously dont understand him or watch basketball. He's got a couple of big flaws in his game that have been exposed repeatedly and Ben isnt the first "star" to be exposed in such a way. He's not a scorer. He gets 15 a game because he's big and fast and so good at creating for others. He's got a role in the offense and being an option isnt really part of it.He's one of the best defensive players in the league and truly an impact player there. A top 4 league defender in any generation who can guard 1-5.
He would be an amazing point forward on the Knicks. You put him at 3, let him guard the toughest guys and he runs the offense which allows a team like the Knicks to play a non-PG shooting type like IQ at PG for 30+ minutes a game because Ben is running the offense.
Something like Obi/Knox and 3 FRPs (really a low ball as our picks suck) would suck for Phili (they would want 5 FRPs and IQ) which isnt worth it as Knicks wouldnt have any cap space/picks/assets to build anything better than a good defensive squad that cant score and gets bounced in the 2nd round every year (hey! Like Phili!)
But think about a starting line up of: IQ/RJ/Simmons/Julius/Mitch
Thats the best defensive team in the league and if IQ/RJ/Julius sustain their shooting you have good spacing.
Anyway its fart in the wind but Ben Simmons is absolutely an impact player. He's not a finisher but what he does gets you to there every time. There are not a lot of players good enough to do that. The only thing that would put the Knicks in the talks is their cap allows them more options than most other teams.
We were tops in the league in defense without an overpaid chucklehead (who can't SHOOT A FUCKING FREE THROW AT 30-40MM A YEAR) and we were eliminated in the first round.
Who's not watching basketball?
Not to mention trae young blew by him at will, causing Embiid to have to step up and cover the paint leaving his man open for the LOB.
Simmons and Embiid is a horrible pairing.
Anybody playing the PG position and can't shoot, is a clear liability, we saw that with payton and frank.
You can't win in the playoffs with a point fwd and no real pg, Labron still needed wade and kyrie, and as we saw with KD, he was completely exhausted by the end of the 4th, same thing that happen to Randle.
So the best thing for BEN would be a Roster full of snipers
