Knicks · Offseason trades and possible free agent signing (page 12)

Nalod wrote:What’s Lonzo salary command? Reggie Jax at 20mm per seems high.

I doubt Reggie gets $20M. I think the most he can get from the LAC is $10M. No need to overpay that much unless another desperate team comes in.

BigDaddyG wrote:

Nalod wrote:What’s Lonzo salary command? Reggie Jax at 20mm per seems high.

I doubt Reggie gets $20M. I think the most he can get from the LAC is $10M. No need to overpay that much unless another desperate team comes in.

15 per year should do it for jackson. Ball will be 20+ Considering his age.

fwk00 wrote:What about this Jason Preston kid? https://www.cleveland19.com/2021/07/07/o...

His college tape isn't all that impressive from a run jump perspective. But he had a good NCAA run and held his own athletically at the combine scrimmages. Good vision and standstill shooter. Uses hesitations and positioning to get inside and patrol the paint. He doesn't have an explosive first step and isn't great creating his jumper off the dribble. I don't the Knicks draft him, but I like his potential as a change of pace backup.

Jarrett Allen would go to New York. ( Don't shoot the messenger, I'm not assessing right now on Allen's overall value to the Knicks. ) MRob at minimum would go. Lots of moving pieces. The core would be Houston moving down a slot to take Jalen Green and Cleveland moving up a slot to take Evan Mobley.

If the Cavs won't buckle, Houston is engaged in trying to pry Paschall, #7 and #14 from the Warriors. Knicks would be the third or fourth team here as well.

Clipper and Nets have been in talks regarding a trade of Kyrie Irving to LA. They need a third team with cap space and thus the Knicks are essentially implied at this point ( To take DeAndre Jordan's deal. Again, don't come running at me with pitchforks, I don't want Jordan to have a Knicks encore)

76ers are one of the few teams linked with wanting to move up from the late first round to an earlier pick. Might be an opportunity here for the Knicks at 21 if they can find a workable deal.

Some of you might want to start thinking about the hypotheticals regarding Jarrett Allen.

TripleThreat wrote:Cleveland and Houston have engaged the Knicks in a possible three team ( could expand to four teams) trade scenario.

Jarrett Allen would go to New York. ( Don't shoot the messenger, I'm not assessing right now on Allen's overall value to the Knicks. ) MRob at minimum would go. Lots of moving pieces. The core would be Houston moving down a slot to take Jalen Green and Cleveland moving up a slot to take Evan Mobley.

If the Cavs won't buckle, Houston is engaged in trying to pry Paschall, #7 and #14 from the Warriors. Knicks would be the third or fourth team here as well.

Clipper and Nets have been in talks regarding a trade of Kyrie Irving to LA. They need a third team with cap space and thus the Knicks are essentially implied at this point ( To take DeAndre Jordan's deal. Again, don't come running at me with pitchforks, I don't want Jordan to have a Knicks encore)

76ers are one of the few teams linked with wanting to move up from the late first round to an earlier pick. Might be an opportunity here for the Knicks at 21 if they can find a workable deal.

Some of you might want to start thinking about the hypotheticals regarding Jarrett Allen.

Where did you hear these rumors? Can you post the tweet or link?

Allen is a healthy solid kid who is what MRob will likely be when he grows up.
Is sexton in play here? I doubt that. But Mobley will need some time.

wargames wrote:

TripleThreat wrote:Cleveland and Houston have engaged the Knicks in a possible three team ( could expand to four teams) trade scenario.

Jarrett Allen would go to New York. ( Don't shoot the messenger, I'm not assessing right now on Allen's overall value to the Knicks. ) MRob at minimum would go. Lots of moving pieces. The core would be Houston moving down a slot to take Jalen Green and Cleveland moving up a slot to take Evan Mobley.

If the Cavs won't buckle, Houston is engaged in trying to pry Paschall, #7 and #14 from the Warriors. Knicks would be the third or fourth team here as well.

Clipper and Nets have been in talks regarding a trade of Kyrie Irving to LA. They need a third team with cap space and thus the Knicks are essentially implied at this point ( To take DeAndre Jordan's deal. Again, don't come running at me with pitchforks, I don't want Jordan to have a Knicks encore)

76ers are one of the few teams linked with wanting to move up from the late first round to an earlier pick. Might be an opportunity here for the Knicks at 21 if they can find a workable deal.

Some of you might want to start thinking about the hypotheticals regarding Jarrett Allen.

Where did you hear these rumors? Can you post the tweet or link?

it's a few weeks before the off season really kicks in, so you should expect all kinds of rumours in which almost none usually comes to fruition.

Vmart wrote:We should trade for Ben Simmons. I think this playoff was just an aberration. Wouldn’t shock me if he went to Miami in a trade. His value is lowered due to his performance I. Playoffs but all that stuff he went through is correctable. Also he has his best games against Knicks at MSG. Probably hit his only three there.

Watching his “highlights” or should I say lowlights from that playoff series I get the suspicion he was point shaving. No one wants to talk about this because gambling is such big business now but some of the things Simmons was doing like passing up open shots directly under the basket are basketball point shaving 101

Philc1 wrote:

Vmart wrote:We should trade for Ben Simmons. I think this playoff was just an aberration. Wouldn’t shock me if he went to Miami in a trade. His value is lowered due to his performance I. Playoffs but all that stuff he went through is correctable. Also he has his best games against Knicks at MSG. Probably hit his only three there.

Watching his “highlights” or should I say lowlights from that playoff series I get the suspicion he was point shaving. No one wants to talk about this because gambling is such big business now but some of the things Simmons was doing like passing up open shots directly under the basket are basketball point shaving 101

Maybe, but I can see it. It would be the biggest scandal in professional sports since Lance Armstrong’s steroid scandal and I doubt any of the powers that be would want to even open that can of worms.

The easiest thing to do would be to move him to a non contender because that at least limit his ability to do it in the playoffs again. I wonder send him to Basketball Hell aka Sacramento.

wargames wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

Vmart wrote:We should trade for Ben Simmons. I think this playoff was just an aberration. Wouldn’t shock me if he went to Miami in a trade. His value is lowered due to his performance I. Playoffs but all that stuff he went through is correctable. Also he has his best games against Knicks at MSG. Probably hit his only three there.

Watching his “highlights” or should I say lowlights from that playoff series I get the suspicion he was point shaving. No one wants to talk about this because gambling is such big business now but some of the things Simmons was doing like passing up open shots directly under the basket are basketball point shaving 101

Maybe, but I can see it. It would be the biggest scandal in professional sports since Lance Armstrong’s steroid scandal and I doubt any of the powers that be would want to even open that can of worms.

The easiest thing to do would be to move him to a non contender because that at least limit his ability to do it in the playoffs again. I wonder send him to Basketball Hell aka Sacramento.

It’s looking like there’s going to eventually be a Simmons/Lillard blockbuster deal at some point. I can’t see the sixers trading Simmons to us. He’d be in the same conference and really the same market. No way the 76ers want that PR mess they have already have enough drama

The media ignoring a pretty obvious point shaving spectacle just goes to show sports journalism is dead. If this was the 80’s there’d be all kinds of sports writers going after Simmons and calling on the league to investigate

TripleThreat wrote:Cleveland and Houston have engaged the Knicks in a possible three team ( could expand to four teams) trade scenario.

Jarrett Allen would go to New York. ( Don't shoot the messenger, I'm not assessing right now on Allen's overall value to the Knicks. ) MRob at minimum would go. Lots of moving pieces. The core would be Houston moving down a slot to take Jalen Green and Cleveland moving up a slot to take Evan Mobley.

If the Cavs won't buckle, Houston is engaged in trying to pry Paschall, #7 and #14 from the Warriors. Knicks would be the third or fourth team here as well.

Clipper and Nets have been in talks regarding a trade of Kyrie Irving to LA. They need a third team with cap space and thus the Knicks are essentially implied at this point ( To take DeAndre Jordan's deal. Again, don't come running at me with pitchforks, I don't want Jordan to have a Knicks encore)

76ers are one of the few teams linked with wanting to move up from the late first round to an earlier pick. Might be an opportunity here for the Knicks at 21 if they can find a workable deal.

Some of you might want to start thinking about the hypotheticals regarding Jarrett Allen.

I’d love Jarret Allen - think he is a legit all-around very young center and yes I understand Allen is about to get paid.

Wonder what price would be - Mitch & #1 - maybe more?

TripleThreat wrote:Cleveland and Houston have engaged the Knicks in a possible three team ( could expand to four teams) trade scenario.

Jarrett Allen would go to New York. ( Don't shoot the messenger, I'm not assessing right now on Allen's overall value to the Knicks. ) MRob at minimum would go. Lots of moving pieces. The core would be Houston moving down a slot to take Jalen Green and Cleveland moving up a slot to take Evan Mobley.

If the Cavs won't buckle, Houston is engaged in trying to pry Paschall, #7 and #14 from the Warriors. Knicks would be the third or fourth team here as well.

Clipper and Nets have been in talks regarding a trade of Kyrie Irving to LA. They need a third team with cap space and thus the Knicks are essentially implied at this point ( To take DeAndre Jordan's deal. Again, don't come running at me with pitchforks, I don't want Jordan to have a Knicks encore)

76ers are one of the few teams linked with wanting to move up from the late first round to an earlier pick. Might be an opportunity here for the Knicks at 21 if they can find a workable deal.

Some of you might want to start thinking about the hypotheticals regarding Jarrett Allen.

LivingLegend wrote:
I’d love Jarret Allen - think he is a legit all-around very young center and yes I understand Allen is about to get paid.

Wonder what price would be - Mitch & #1 - maybe more?

Allen would be a sign and trade, so the trade value is really Allen's full Bird Rights compared to the same team trying to sign him to an offer sheet.

I don't think it would be much, since another team, like the Knicks, could sign Allen to an offer sheet and there's a decent chance Cleveland won't match it. I think the Knicks could get Allen without having to give up any first round draft picks.

The complication is Cleveland wants to dump Kevin Love's contract. So having a lot of open cap space is NOT a bad thing. So when you have that much cap space, teams are going to keep trying to dump their ugly contracts on you. I wouldn't call it a problem, I would call it a functional complication of having options. The argument the Cavs will make ( and I won't agree with it) is that Allen's value is the price to eat Love's contract.

I believe the Knicks could also get Allen without having to take Love's deal.

Houston is not sold on Mobley so far. So if they want Jalen Green, they want to see if they can get the Cavs to trade up one slot, reap some kind of value/any value, and let them take Mobley and they take Green anyway. Cleveland understands his and will be somewhat reluctant to trade up when Mobley could just fall to them anyway without having to give anything up. The issue in these situations is ownership. Fertitta might force the Rockets to take Mobley even if the front office would rather go for Green.

Allen wouldn't cost too much. Well, not as much as some might believe. He would walk in and eat up a lot of cap space.

Houston wants to drag in OKC into the deal so they can find a way to dump Wall before Cleveland tries to entice Presti to take that Kevin Love contract. Once you shift from a two team to a three team deal, it just gets more complicated. Once you get a fourth team in, it turns even more daunting.

It would not surprise me if the Rockets tried to trade back, and if they succeeded, try to trade back yet again. Lots of owners are hot and bothered by what Troy Weaver did in Detroit. That kind of draft run is not common at all. Some owners don't think that way. They believe volume in one draft/one offseason can spark a turnaround. Let's not avoid giving credit here, Troy Weaver absolutely crushed it last offseason and now he has Cade Cunningham to boot. He's setting some unrealistic expectations for some handsy owners.

Oubre started out historically bad, becoming the first player in NBA history to go 0 for his first 11 from 3 over the first two games of the season, and by the end of his first month and change, he was averaging just 12 points on 22-percent 3-point shooting.

He had some moments, and his finishing athleticism and pesky defense (though it rarely pays off) will always be tantalizing. Golden State was minus-5.0 points per 100 possessions when Oubre was on the court, per Cleaning the Glass, but to be fair they were a net positive in their two most often-used Oubre lineups as long as James Wiseman wasn't playing.

Curry, Oubre, Wiggins, Toscano-Anderson, Green: Plus-9.0 in 324 minutes
Curry, Oubre, Wiggins, Green, Looney: Plus-5.8 in 401 minutes
Still, as the season wore on it became increasingly clear that Oubre, who struggled to fit alongside Curry and looked flat-out lost at times trying to navigate Golden State's ball- and player-movement offense, hurt the Warriors more than he helped. He missed 15 of the final 20 games, and in those 15 games without Oubre, the Warriors were 12-3.

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/kelly...

Ben Simmons hates Doc because his bad coaching costs games and then he blames the players. Why would you start the series with the stupid gimmick of having Denny Green cover Trae instead of your all-defense PG. Check out Game 1. Ben gives Denny Lots of leeway to get burned by Trae every possession and inst4 stays home tight on the corner. No point shaving, just a good player fed up.

Ben isn't a shooter so whatever team picks him up needs depth in shooting.