Knicks · After the draft netted the knicks Grimes, Mcbride and Sims what moves can you see the Knicks making in free agency? (page 2)

Also, the Knicks sucking next season is still a possibility. IND, BOS, TOR are all solid and CHA and CHI are creeping up. If the Knicks land the 9 spot next season, is Randle going to listen to other offers?

Knicks need to get busy.

knicks1248 wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

TheGame wrote:I think Rose comes back. PGs will be Rose, Luca, and McBride. The next decision is whether the Knicks see RJ as a SF or SG. I could see them starting Rose, Quickley, RJ, Randle, and Mitch. More than likely they will go after a FA shooting guard though and bring Quickly off the bench.

I like the plan just switch out Rose with Reggie Jackson

Unless Rose is willing to do a 1 year deal

Why would you reward Rose with only a 1 yr deal after what he did for the team.

He can get that deal from 10 other contenders.

Under no circumstance (maybe temporary due to injury) that Rose should start on any team. You saw how he broke down in the last 2 playoff games

I don’t think Rose is getting more than a 1 yr deal on the open market. He’s a good 6th man off the bench who had half a good season for us and was not good in the playoffs (tho not his fault) and he’s 31

Chandler wrote:still thinking its Reggie Jackson

Clips are a bit handcuffed. SO even if he liked it there he'd probably have to settle for way less than he can get

we would have to be sold on him being more mature and professional (I am), and that his shooting is for real. Guy has a 7' wingspan to boot.

i also can't stop looking at Sacramento as some form of trade partner

Jackson has to be #1 priority for us. Probably won’t need more than a 2-3 year deal. Is still a full time PG who gives us everything we need playmaking, penetration, perimeter shooting etc

We can easily outbid the clips

Chandler wrote:

Jimbo5 wrote:Whats the possibility of Fox being fed up by the kings front office planning and demand a trade?

I think the only way the knicks can get fox is by including Randle or RJ. Can Mitch, IQ, knox, oBi plus a couple of 1st be enough,

love RJ and hear all the karma defenses

but i think a deal centered around RJ and Fox makes sense. Have to give to get

I think Thibs wants an attacking pg, then there's the Kentucky thing

RJ as Sacramento's SG makes sense next ot Halliburton or Mitchell

Also Randle and RJ are each going to make a LOT of money. Once those are done, we won't have enough money for a prime time pg. I think Thibs would prefer a prime time pg

All that said, I'd prefer to keep RJ. I think he's the type of guy who will get better and better every year

RJ and a pick for Fox id consider but nothing more

Knixkik wrote:Basically the Knicks got a Burks or Bullock replacement in Grimes and a Ntilikina replacement in McBride as a situational defensive backup stopper. No harm in that. Sims profiles as maybe a solid potential 3rd string big and I know he had some fans here. Good value. The euro pick was a punt for now. The trade of 19 told us the Knicks are more concerned about assets than players in this draft. They want to keep the cupboard full. I expect Rose and Gibson back, but I expect us to grab a new starting PG and possibly a new starting wing. The rest probably remains about the same.

Just want to point out that the Knicks only traded the 19th pick and then traded down AFTER attempting to trade up into the lottery for a true difference maker. So I wouldn't just assume the Knicks care more about assets than players at this point. My guess is they couldn't move up, they missed out on their top targets and they felt like their best option is to move down. So they did. Its what good GMs do.

I agree however, that the Knicks will be aggressively looking for a veteran starting PG and SF via FA and/or trade. Whether that is a stop gap player, an aging star, a young star, a young player with high upside, or a combination. Free Agency is really hard to predict but Oubre and Ball immediately come to mind as two players who would both fit under the cap and cross off those boxes the Knicks need to round off starting lineup.

Ball/Rose?/McBride/Vildoza
RJ/Quick
Oubre/Pinson/Grimes/Knox?
Randle/Obi/Pelle
Mitch/Noel?

We need depth at C position, I would not be surprised to see Noel back.

Philc1 wrote:

Chandler wrote:

Jimbo5 wrote:Whats the possibility of Fox being fed up by the kings front office planning and demand a trade?

I think the only way the knicks can get fox is by including Randle or RJ. Can Mitch, IQ, knox, oBi plus a couple of 1st be enough,

love RJ and hear all the karma defenses

but i think a deal centered around RJ and Fox makes sense. Have to give to get

I think Thibs wants an attacking pg, then there's the Kentucky thing

RJ as Sacramento's SG makes sense next ot Halliburton or Mitchell

Also Randle and RJ are each going to make a LOT of money. Once those are done, we won't have enough money for a prime time pg. I think Thibs would prefer a prime time pg

All that said, I'd prefer to keep RJ. I think he's the type of guy who will get better and better every year

RJ and a pick for Fox id consider but nothing more

trading RJ is insane .... RJ will be better than Randle in another year ..

RSparrow2 wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

Chandler wrote:

Jimbo5 wrote:Whats the possibility of Fox being fed up by the kings front office planning and demand a trade?

I think the only way the knicks can get fox is by including Randle or RJ. Can Mitch, IQ, knox, oBi plus a couple of 1st be enough,

love RJ and hear all the karma defenses

but i think a deal centered around RJ and Fox makes sense. Have to give to get

I think Thibs wants an attacking pg, then there's the Kentucky thing

RJ as Sacramento's SG makes sense next ot Halliburton or Mitchell

Also Randle and RJ are each going to make a LOT of money. Once those are done, we won't have enough money for a prime time pg. I think Thibs would prefer a prime time pg

All that said, I'd prefer to keep RJ. I think he's the type of guy who will get better and better every year

RJ and a pick for Fox id consider but nothing more

trading RJ is insane .... RJ will be better than Randle in another year ..

"RJ will be better than Randle in another year .."

Kind of a weird statement. They are very different players who play different positions at different stages in their careers.

But yes, I agree. Trading RJ for anyone other than a bonafide superstar doesn't really make sense for the Knicks. Rather than trading RJ for Fox, I would just sign Lonzo or Graham or Reggie Jackson or Dinwiddie or Cam Payne or Shroeder. I know those guys are not on the same level as Fox but at least you are not losing one of your best players in the deal. The Knicks have plenty of cap space and after their playoff run last year they are not in a full rebuild.

And the whole thing with paying RJ eventually...well, won't the Knicks have to pay Fox? Or am I missing something...

I think we will target guys like Devonte Graham, Norman Powell and Kelly Oubre. Guys with lesser height but large wingspan. They tend to be better defenders. I see the Knicks being price shoppers in FA cause they can afford to be.

I’ve moved Graham over Ball in my head for PG.
I’m probably still with Oubre over Powell for SF only cause of body size, but I wonder if Oubre has the mental makeup.

I’m looking at Kelly Olynyk. But I don’t know that Jericho Sims is so far off. Feels like he got buried on a very athletic Texas front court. Guy has huge wingspan and hops. If he can box out, I think he will be in the rotation pretty soon after G league ends.

Graham/Rose/McBride/Vildoza
Barrett/Quickley/Grimes
Oubre/Powell/Bullock
Randle/Toppin/Knox
Robinson/Pelle/Gibson/Sims

I might be a little over budget here and need some S&T or to move a couple assets to finish this squad. Have to hope with these choices that the Knicks continue to improve the shooting on their team I with hard work.

I am sure I will be back to Ball in my next post, but this is where I am right now. Not ready to say Sexton yet, but I am getting there.

EwingsGlass wrote:Barring some magical CP3/Kawhi offseason,

I think we will target guys like Devonte Graham, Norman Powell and Kelly Oubre. Guys with lesser height but large wingspan. They tend to be better defenders. I see the Knicks being price shoppers in FA cause they can afford to be.

I’ve moved Graham over Ball in my head for PG.
I’m probably still with Oubre over Powell for SF only cause of body size, but I wonder if Oubre has the mental makeup.

I’m looking at Kelly Olynyk. But I don’t know that Jericho Sims is so far off. Feels like he got buried on a very athletic Texas front court. Guy has huge wingspan and hops. If he can box out, I think he will be in the rotation pretty soon after G league ends.

Graham/Rose/McBride/Vildoza
Barrett/Quickley/Grimes
Oubre/Powell/Bullock
Randle/Toppin/Knox
Robinson/Pelle/Gibson/Sims

I might be a little over budget here and need some S&T or to move a couple assets to finish this squad. Have to hope with these choices that the Knicks continue to improve the shooting on their team I with hard work.

I am sure I will be back to Ball in my next post, but this is where I am right now. Not ready to say Sexton yet, but I am getting there.

Reggie Bullock is the issue. Knicks can retain his early bird rights and resign him for 7.2 million, 2 million less than the full MLE. With D. Robinson, Fournier, and maybe THJ on the market, Bullock might get squeezed to a lower number. He won't be happy as the 3rd stringer without a multi year guarantee (no team options)

Without Bullock, but retaining Rose's rights Knicks have about 41 million in space. Rose gets 13 million, your other 3 (Graham, Oubre, Powell) split the 41.

Jimbo5 wrote:I read a tweet from Zack Lowe, the Knicks might be planning something big thats why they traded out of 19 to save more cap sace. Only time will tell if the knicks will have a productive offseason. Im hoping they do. I cant wait for the FO's big plan to be known.

I am praying, lighting incense, cutting off chicken heads, and briting my foreskin! Lowry/ Derozan gives NY the 3rd best starting line up in the East with a way, wsy deeper bench than Mil and Bkn. With Melo off the bench? Como se dice "Finals"?

KnickDanger wrote:Don't know if this has been mentioned but I just read the Knicks draft moves added 2.2 million in cap space. May not seem like a lot but it may make some difference. If you still got the guys you wanted plus future capital well....

It seems like adding the additional 2.2M to the salary cap is very much part of the big plan. The NBA rush will commence on August 2, i sure hope the FO could execute their Plan A this year. I hope they don't need to go to plan B or C. I want to see the real vision of Leon Rose.

gradyandrew wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:Barring some magical CP3/Kawhi offseason,

I think we will target guys like Devonte Graham, Norman Powell and Kelly Oubre. Guys with lesser height but large wingspan. They tend to be better defenders. I see the Knicks being price shoppers in FA cause they can afford to be.

I’ve moved Graham over Ball in my head for PG.
I’m probably still with Oubre over Powell for SF only cause of body size, but I wonder if Oubre has the mental makeup.

I’m looking at Kelly Olynyk. But I don’t know that Jericho Sims is so far off. Feels like he got buried on a very athletic Texas front court. Guy has huge wingspan and hops. If he can box out, I think he will be in the rotation pretty soon after G league ends.

Graham/Rose/McBride/Vildoza
Barrett/Quickley/Grimes
Oubre/Powell/Bullock
Randle/Toppin/Knox
Robinson/Pelle/Gibson/Sims

I might be a little over budget here and need some S&T or to move a couple assets to finish this squad. Have to hope with these choices that the Knicks continue to improve the shooting on their team I with hard work.

I am sure I will be back to Ball in my next post, but this is where I am right now. Not ready to say Sexton yet, but I am getting there.

Reggie Bullock is the issue. Knicks can retain his early bird rights and resign him for 7.2 million, 2 million less than the full MLE. With D. Robinson, Fournier, and maybe THJ on the market, Bullock might get squeezed to a lower number. He won't be happy as the 3rd stringer without a multi year guarantee (no team options)

Without Bullock, but retaining Rose's rights Knicks have about 41 million in space. Rose gets 13 million, your other 3 (Graham, Oubre, Powell) split the 41.

Derrick Rose is at a position in his life where he could take a discount again this year to allow his full Bird rights vest and give the Knicks more flexibility in free agency. I don’t really question the 13mm valuation, but I doubt he goes above 10mm. In short, I don’t see another team that can/will offer him more than the MLE at 9.7mm this year. I could have him pegged wrong, but my sense it is more important to enjoy where he is playing (here with Thibs) than a couple million bucks one way or the other.

What are your thoughts on an RJ-Fournier pairing?

Rumor has it that the bulls are ready to offer Lonzo a 4yr 80M contract and the interest is mutual.

Jimbo5 wrote:With Grimes and McBride, the knicks have solidified their backcourt. Frank most likely is gone. Burks might be walking out as well. The team needs after the draft hasnt been fully addressed, the knicks still need a starting point guard as well as wing help.

I dont think Rose will be back. Im not sure Luca is also a part of this time next year.

We need a starting PG and a Starting SF. Who will that be?

After the draft, looking at the players the teams just picked, which teams created role redundancies? Can there be new trade candidates that was created with this draft? Who can the knicks new trade targets be? Can Fox be made available? Or Haliburton?

Solidified? At best we got our 2nd wing off the bench and a 3rd PG. The Knicks still need a starting PG, a starting SF, first wing off the bench, and a back-up Center. None of our picks are guaranteed rotation players. Grimes is a nice player but this is still a smallish unathletic team on the wing. Watching the Hawks get Jalen Johnson made me sick. They are going to give our shooters fits. They now have 3 young wings with 7' wingspans they can throw at us.

Jmpasq wrote:

Jimbo5 wrote:With Grimes and McBride, the knicks have solidified their backcourt. Frank most likely is gone. Burks might be walking out as well. The team needs after the draft hasnt been fully addressed, the knicks still need a starting point guard as well as wing help.

I dont think Rose will be back. Im not sure Luca is also a part of this time next year.

We need a starting PG and a Starting SF. Who will that be?

After the draft, looking at the players the teams just picked, which teams created role redundancies? Can there be new trade candidates that was created with this draft? Who can the knicks new trade targets be? Can Fox be made available? Or Haliburton?

Solidified? At best we got our 2nd wing off the bench and a 3rd PG. The Knicks still need a starting PG, a starting SF, first wing off the bench, and a back-up Center. None of our picks are guaranteed rotation players.

Ok, its might be too early to say solidified, they haven't even played a game in the summer league. My bad, hehe. But i eo think this draft netted us some good players.

Jimbo5 wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

Jimbo5 wrote:With Grimes and McBride, the knicks have solidified their backcourt. Frank most likely is gone. Burks might be walking out as well. The team needs after the draft hasnt been fully addressed, the knicks still need a starting point guard as well as wing help.

I dont think Rose will be back. Im not sure Luca is also a part of this time next year.

We need a starting PG and a Starting SF. Who will that be?

After the draft, looking at the players the teams just picked, which teams created role redundancies? Can there be new trade candidates that was created with this draft? Who can the knicks new trade targets be? Can Fox be made available? Or Haliburton?

Solidified? At best we got our 2nd wing off the bench and a 3rd PG. The Knicks still need a starting PG, a starting SF, first wing off the bench, and a back-up Center. None of our picks are guaranteed rotation players.

Ok, its might be too early to say solidified, they haven't even played a game in the summer league. My bad, hehe. But i eo think this draft netted us some good players.

Grimes is a nice player but this is still a smallish unathletic team on the wing. Watching the Hawks get Jalen Johnson made me sick. They are going to give our shooters fits. They now have 3 young wings with 7' wingspans they can throw at us. Little frustrated we couldn't get Murphy. He was the perfect roster fit for this team

RSparrow2 wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

Chandler wrote:

Jimbo5 wrote:Whats the possibility of Fox being fed up by the kings front office planning and demand a trade?

I think the only way the knicks can get fox is by including Randle or RJ. Can Mitch, IQ, knox, oBi plus a couple of 1st be enough,

love RJ and hear all the karma defenses

but i think a deal centered around RJ and Fox makes sense. Have to give to get

I think Thibs wants an attacking pg, then there's the Kentucky thing

RJ as Sacramento's SG makes sense next ot Halliburton or Mitchell

Also Randle and RJ are each going to make a LOT of money. Once those are done, we won't have enough money for a prime time pg. I think Thibs would prefer a prime time pg

All that said, I'd prefer to keep RJ. I think he's the type of guy who will get better and better every year

RJ and a pick for Fox id consider but nothing more

trading RJ is insane .... RJ will be better than Randle in another year ..

I agree

gradyandrew wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:Barring some magical CP3/Kawhi offseason,

I think we will target guys like Devonte Graham, Norman Powell and Kelly Oubre. Guys with lesser height but large wingspan. They tend to be better defenders. I see the Knicks being price shoppers in FA cause they can afford to be.

I’ve moved Graham over Ball in my head for PG.
I’m probably still with Oubre over Powell for SF only cause of body size, but I wonder if Oubre has the mental makeup.

I’m looking at Kelly Olynyk. But I don’t know that Jericho Sims is so far off. Feels like he got buried on a very athletic Texas front court. Guy has huge wingspan and hops. If he can box out, I think he will be in the rotation pretty soon after G league ends.

Graham/Rose/McBride/Vildoza
Barrett/Quickley/Grimes
Oubre/Powell/Bullock
Randle/Toppin/Knox
Robinson/Pelle/Gibson/Sims

I might be a little over budget here and need some S&T or to move a couple assets to finish this squad. Have to hope with these choices that the Knicks continue to improve the shooting on their team I with hard work.

I am sure I will be back to Ball in my next post, but this is where I am right now. Not ready to say Sexton yet, but I am getting there.

Reggie Bullock is the issue. Knicks can retain his early bird rights and resign him for 7.2 million, 2 million less than the full MLE. With D. Robinson, Fournier, and maybe THJ on the market, Bullock might get squeezed to a lower number. He won't be happy as the 3rd stringer without a multi year guarantee (no team options)

Without Bullock, but retaining Rose's rights Knicks have about 41 million in space. Rose gets 13 million, your other 3 (Graham, Oubre, Powell) split the 41.

Bullock and Grimes share an agent so I’d be surprised if he didn’t get resigned to a one year deal. He’d still be a rotation guy next season and when all is said and done the starting SF again