I mean he told us he pattern his game after Low williams, trying to get him to run a team is going to take away from what he does best.
By the time these young players get to the NBA it's too late to try and convert them to a PG, IMO that's something that comes Natural and starts from Jr High school at the age of 14, 15,16 yrs old.
I'm not saying he can't do a little ball handling here and there, but to try and make him a floor general at 22 is reaching.
My Girlfriends son played with him in AAU and he said he never really ran the point and he was all about buckets.
Lets not do him like they did frank
I think Summer league is where you try other things. Him playing some PG there is fine. Ultimately it's a position-less game and he should learn how to do both. Knicks have Walker, Rose, McBride, and a couple of euro projects. Quickley isn't being groomed as the PG. He's being groomed to play a combo guard role. The more experience the better.
I've said this 10 yrs ago. The PG and Center positions are going to be extinct. They don't exist in today position less basketball. But if IQ wants to start on this team, he has to show some play making ability. EF is not a PG. but he's a playmaker. Randle probably has as much or more assist than IQ. RJ is becoming a playmaker.
So the PG position has changed. But the PG playmaking capabilities will always remain. IQ is an average to below average by some, full time playmaker. IQ is better as a scorer, playing down hill, them using his playmaker skills whenever a scoring opportunity is not there. Nothing wrong having a Lue Williams career. I hope he continues to increase his strengths....instead of only focusing on his PG capabilities. Clearly his game is not built to focus on both. He's a scorer 1st....passing is his 2nd or 3rd option. Scoring and getting the other team in foul trouble should be him slim lame.
Knixkik wrote:I think Summer league is where you try other things. Him playing some PG there is fine. Ultimately it's a position-less game and he should learn how to do both. Knicks have Walker, Rose, McBride, and a couple of euro projects. Quickley isn't being groomed as the PG. He's being groomed to play a combo guard role. The more experience the better.
agree. work on ball handling and decision making
IQ is in the mold of Vinnie Johnson.
blkexec wrote:I've said this 10 yrs ago. The PG and Center positions are going to be extinct. They don't exist in today position less basketball. But if IQ wants to start on this team, he has to show some play making ability. EF is not a PG. but he's a playmaker. Randle probably has as much or more assist than IQ. RJ is becoming a playmaker. So the PG position has changed. But the PG playmaking capabilities will always remain. IQ is an average to below average by some, full time playmaker. IQ is better as a scorer, playing down hill, them using his playmaker skills whenever a scoring opportunity is not there. Nothing wrong having a Lue Williams career. I hope he continues to increase his strengths....instead of only focusing on his PG capabilities. Clearly his game is not built to focus on both. He's a scorer 1st....passing is his 2nd or 3rd option. Scoring and getting the other team in foul trouble should be him slim lame.
From what I have seen so far, his 1st option is too look for the 3 ball, his 2nd option is the floater, 3rd options is to initiate contact for a foul, 4th option is to pass.
Even though Luca and Trea can score, their 1st option is to pass, if the pass isn't there they look for the shot. They are just so good at reacting to the defense, bating players into the paint to defend the penetration or going behind screens.
IMO IQ hasn't even perfected what he does best, and you saw in the PO when the defense tightens up, he was a complete non factor.
When they ask Jokic how he is able to be such a good passer for a big man, he said he started out playing PG for yrs, and then he kept growing and growing into a Center.
knicks1248 wrote:I mean he told us he pattern his game after Low williams, trying to get him to run a team is going to take away from what he does best.By the time these young players get to the NBA it's too late to try and convert them to a PG, IMO that's something that comes Natural and starts from Jr High school at the age of 14, 15,16 yrs old.
I'm not saying he can't do a little ball handling here and there, but to try and make him a floor general at 22 is reaching.
My Girlfriends son played with him in AAU and he said he never really ran the point and he was all about buckets.
Lets not do him like they did frank
Rain man after one summer league game reads one Berman article and now paints his career.
Maybe if he plays better today you cry to extend him so we never ever lose him? Fucks sake, let the kid grow without 10 min of idiocy? It’s summer league, time to do this shit and make mistakes!
NYKBocker wrote:IQ is in the mold of Vinnie Johnson.
IQ is kind of like a 3rd Curry brother, but somewhere in the middle of the scale between Seth and Steph.
Steph is the ultimate - can shoot from anywhere, on the move. He's pretty athletic, but relies just as much on his killer handle and motor to probe and attack defenders.
IQ kind of plays the same way, but his handle isn't as good and he can't shake defenders quite as well - particularly on his drives to the basket. Maybe he failed to develop this skill because his floater was too gosh darned reliable.
Seth Curry at age 30, is in my opinion is very similar skill wise to IQ at age 22 - though his main deficiency is that he has slower feet than IQ. So I think it might be reasonable to think/hope/expect IQ (if he has any level of improvement) to have a higher ceiling.
I think back to that one year where the Nets invested heavily into Richard Jefferson and gave him the reigns to do whatever the heck he wanted in the summer league. It helped him develop and understand what he could do against real competition and what he needed to improve on.
You need real game situations like this if you want to grow as a play maker, even if the coaches need to engineer this. (it's a bit like pre-season and minor league baseball's rehab assignments, particularly from a pitcher's standpoint. You might limit the toolkit and repeatedly target the same location to get more reps)
knicks1248 wrote:blkexec wrote:I've said this 10 yrs ago. The PG and Center positions are going to be extinct. They don't exist in today position less basketball. But if IQ wants to start on this team, he has to show some play making ability. EF is not a PG. but he's a playmaker. Randle probably has as much or more assist than IQ. RJ is becoming a playmaker. So the PG position has changed. But the PG playmaking capabilities will always remain. IQ is an average to below average by some, full time playmaker. IQ is better as a scorer, playing down hill, them using his playmaker skills whenever a scoring opportunity is not there. Nothing wrong having a Lue Williams career. I hope he continues to increase his strengths....instead of only focusing on his PG capabilities. Clearly his game is not built to focus on both. He's a scorer 1st....passing is his 2nd or 3rd option. Scoring and getting the other team in foul trouble should be him slim lame.
From what I have seen so far, his 1st option is too look for the 3 ball, his 2nd option is the floater, 3rd options is to initiate contact for a foul, 4th option is to pass.
Even though Luca and Trea can score, their 1st option is to pass, if the pass isn't there they look for the shot. They are just so good at reacting to the defense, bating players into the paint to defend the penetration or going behind screens.
IMO IQ hasn't even perfected what he does best, and you saw in the PO when the defense tightens up, he was a complete non factor.
When they ask Jokic how he is able to be such a good passer for a big man, he said he started out playing PG for yrs, and then he kept growing and growing into a Center.
Yeah, but it took Trae a few years to reach that point. It was only two seasons ago when his teammates were complaining. That said, IQ's draft scouting report said he wasn't a PG. This shouldn't be surprise. The hope is that he can get to the level where he can provide some minutes of competent playmaking. I was hoping Luca could slide in and lessen the pressure, but I don't know...
BigDaddyG wrote:knicks1248 wrote:blkexec wrote:I've said this 10 yrs ago. The PG and Center positions are going to be extinct. They don't exist in today position less basketball. But if IQ wants to start on this team, he has to show some play making ability. EF is not a PG. but he's a playmaker. Randle probably has as much or more assist than IQ. RJ is becoming a playmaker. So the PG position has changed. But the PG playmaking capabilities will always remain. IQ is an average to below average by some, full time playmaker. IQ is better as a scorer, playing down hill, them using his playmaker skills whenever a scoring opportunity is not there. Nothing wrong having a Lue Williams career. I hope he continues to increase his strengths....instead of only focusing on his PG capabilities. Clearly his game is not built to focus on both. He's a scorer 1st....passing is his 2nd or 3rd option. Scoring and getting the other team in foul trouble should be him slim lame.
From what I have seen so far, his 1st option is too look for the 3 ball, his 2nd option is the floater, 3rd options is to initiate contact for a foul, 4th option is to pass.
Even though Luca and Trea can score, their 1st option is to pass, if the pass isn't there they look for the shot. They are just so good at reacting to the defense, bating players into the paint to defend the penetration or going behind screens.
IMO IQ hasn't even perfected what he does best, and you saw in the PO when the defense tightens up, he was a complete non factor.
When they ask Jokic how he is able to be such a good passer for a big man, he said he started out playing PG for yrs, and then he kept growing and growing into a Center.
Yeah, but it took Trae a few years to reach that point. It was only two seasons ago when his teammates were complaining. That said, IQ's draft scouting report said he wasn't a PG. This shouldn't be surprise. The hope is that he can get to the level where he can provide some minutes of competent playmaking. I was hoping Luca could slide in and lessen the pressure, but I don't know...
He played better today because he looked for his shot first and still managed 7 assist, mostly to OBI
Lol, kid hangs 31 and 8.
1248 cast hof ballot today?
1. Knicks won. All need to know.
I caught the game between flights.
Summer league really don’t say much.
McBride looked useful but Grimes so-so. Simms has some game but the comp is light.
Nalod wrote:Lol, kid hangs 31 and 8.
1248 cast hof ballot today?
1. Knicks won. All need to know.
I caught the game between flights.
Summer league really don’t say much.
McBride looked useful but Grimes so-so. Simms has some game but the comp is light.
Right? Don’t tell me what he can’t do yet, he only just recently found out where the bathroom is.. let the year play out, if he improves great, if not whatever he’s already pretty good
IQ’s play making ability is directly related to his ability to score. His primary problem is he always seems to moving from side to side rather north to south. He was dancing too much on the perimeter first game. The second game, he just put his head down and scored anytime he got an angle on a guy. The more he scores, the more he seems to be able to create plays for others. He just has to always stay aggressive but he also has to cut back on the Steph Curry threes. I am interested to see what he does in game 3.
I think the summer league was to help him to improve his reads. He still shot more than 15 shots, but becoming more efficient in making his reads is something he should work on especially since he is already scouted and he won’t get as much calls vs last year due to the new rule change.
These IQ put down threads seem to act as a reverse jinx every time😂
Obviously his shot clock management was not great leading to some long range bombs which looked bad at times.
This is what SL is for. Knicks ran their offense and Defense schematics and some looked lost at times. Thats ok.
Hmmm... funny, the kid says he IS a PG. But what would he know, right?
He's making adjustments. Good to see in SL.
Let's see, what's next? Our FO is garbage! No wait, we saw that one already...
We're not going anywhere! No wait,
We're good like the Nets!
LMAO
Lou Williams is not really a PG but he would routinely be a 5 assist man off the bench for the clips. IQ's role is to provide bursts of offense- primarily comes through him making shots, and if he's hot he's going to make plays for others too. Trae Young has better passing instincts, but he makes a living from those lobs when he hitting from outside and nailing the floaters. IQ's scoring ability is always going to lead to his playmaking. If he came in as a pass first guy you'd neutralize his best skill. Think about how many times he was a one man comeback for us last year. He's the kind of guy who can come into the game and change the momentum with a very quick burst of O. To me I just want to see his handles tighten up if he's the lead ball handler. I don't mean the handles he uses to beat defenders, but just protecting the ball, dealing with the press- the steady stuff.
VDesai wrote:Lou Williams is not really a PG but he would routinely be a 5 assist man off the bench for the clips. IQ's role is to provide bursts of offense- primarily comes through him making shots, and if he's hot he's going to make plays for others too. Trae Young has better passing instincts, but he makes a living from those lobs when he hitting from outside and nailing the floaters. IQ's scoring ability is always going to lead to his playmaking. If he came in as a pass first guy you'd neutralize his best skill. Think about how many times he was a one man comeback for us last year. He's the kind of guy who can come into the game and change the momentum with a very quick burst of O. To me I just want to see his handles tighten up if he's the lead ball handler. I don't mean the handles he uses to beat defenders, but just protecting the ball, dealing with the press- the steady stuff.
Kid reminds me a bit of Mark Jax. Not super athletic but strong enough to use his body than have a “sick handle”. Jax played in a different era so lets not compare long ball stats. IQ shoots better at this stage but playmaking is not nba PG grade. That is easy to say.
What is he or not? He is as advertised and needs to use his range to draw out defenders. This is where Jax was effective and IQ needs to get better. Can he? Will he? We can’t answer.
Not like 1248 who can draw assumptions on napkins then promote them as proclamations!
Funny you should bring up Mark Jax, but I was looking at McBride and thinking maybe he can be similar to the older version of Jax. He made a nice post up and showed some physicality to score in the paint. He has a tight handle, but is gonna use his length, physical ability and touch to beat defenders rather than just take them off the dribble it seems. Jax obviously had elite passing IQ and instinct, and we don't know if Deuce has that, but he is an interesting player. His 3 ball looks pretty good so far, but working with a small sample.
smackeddog wrote:These IQ put down threads seem to act as a reverse jinx every time😂
Most fans agreed that he look shaky all last season when he was relied on to run the point, then he came into SL looking the same, so of course ppl are question "what's the purpose".
I'm glad he had a bounce back game, but it's clearly obvious he's a scorer and that's his mentality.
