Knicks · Pacers fire Sale....who are you willing to sacrifice (page 4)
knicks1248 wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:blkexec wrote:fishmike wrote:Also people Myles Turner is NOT a great player. He's OK. He totally disappears at times. He's not a high motor guy. He's very average at a lot of things and has pretty much been the same player since coming into the league.People thinking that Turner is going to move the needle and worth trading picks and kids for are going to be very disappointed. He's a nice role player.
I agree. We tend to over value other players, just because they are 1 of many to have career games against us. But look at all the players that killed us or had career years against us this season, their next few games were trash. So be careful, some players turn up, based on the team they are playing or the city. when a player is labeled to have a slow motor (aka Knox). Thats usually a sign (I say usually becasue Tmac had that label and he turned out great).
With that said, Turner will spread the floor, because he's known to be a 3pt threat. And he will instantly be our best shooting forward on the team. I just wouldn't over pay for him. I agree, he's a solid role player. Same with sabonis (who by the way, can also shoot from 3). But it's more about fit than talent. And sometimes a player may be a better fit for us, and terrible fit for others, regardless of talent. Gary Payton Jr was a journey man. He's now 29 I believe. Played on many different teams. Now in GS, he's a nice fit. So fit and chemistry is important. And when you have a coach that lacks offensive creativity, sometimes it's better to have a system guy like Sabonis, at the PF spot. Or a system guy like Turner, waiting for that 3pt shot. Sometimes when you don't have a solid offensive system (like most defensive coaches) adding system type players should not be looked at as a bad thing, but rather a good thing that should help thibs and the team. It might be something we need. We already have guys that play in a free flowing style, like Obi, IQ or even Burks. But some players need that structure or system to succeed (EF).
Turner has been an OK shooter for his career, but he's really turned it up this year. But it's good to question ow much of an impact he'd have. Realistically, how many more wins would he have over the course of the season? I don't know.
Shaq playing in Phils triangle he was a beast
Shaq playing in MDA's 7 sec system he was not a beast.
Shawn Marion played some center in MDA's system and was pretty good, he wouldn't be able to do that anywhere else.
As much as i see Turner as a better fit with Randle, im not so sure he would have any success in thibs system
Wtf? Deductive reasoning? Delusional bullshyt!
Shaq was 35 in PHX. Good comp.
Marion played center? Who was forward? How many games.
Was Amare on the floor? Nash? Any other HOFers? MVP’s? All allstars?
How many games they win with him at center? What years?
martin wrote:Jmpasq wrote:knicks1248 wrote:The Indiana Pacers are increasingly open to trading core players - such as either Domantas Sabonis or Myles Turner, and guard Caris LeVert - as part of a large-scale rebuilding effort, sources told The Athletic's Shams Charania and Bob Kravitz.More to come.
There's at least 2 players i want on their roster Turner or Brogdan..
A rebuild means they will want picks and young players in OBI, IQ, Grimes, Rj, Duece, Mitch, Knox draft picks.
You you can't just offer the worse guys on the knicks and think they will go for it, so who can we sacrifice ?
I wanted them both in the off-season when we could of taken them into cap space. Now to many pieces have to go out to make it work
How? How could this have worked? I don't see this at all.
Brogden makes $21M and Turner is $18M
We had 50 million in cap space (Your not signing Fournier) + Mitch, Knox, Obi, Vildozas contract was tradeable and non-guaranteed. Multiple First Round Draft Picks. It was feasible. Trading for Turner now is a bad idea. The only way I'd do it is if the cost was Noel, Knox, and picks. If we can upgrade the team with only giving a swap of rotation players so be it.
fishmike wrote:Jmpasq wrote:knicks1248 wrote:The Indiana Pacers are increasingly open to trading core players - such as either Domantas Sabonis or Myles Turner, and guard Caris LeVert - as part of a large-scale rebuilding effort, sources told The Athletic's Shams Charania and Bob Kravitz.More to come.
There's at least 2 players i want on their roster Turner or Brogdan..
A rebuild means they will want picks and young players in OBI, IQ, Grimes, Rj, Duece, Mitch, Knox draft picks.
You you can't just offer the worse guys on the knicks and think they will go for it, so who can we sacrifice ?
I wanted them both in the off-season when we could of taken them into cap space. Now to many pieces have to go out to make it work
too bad they were never available then. Hey remember when you said my suggestion for giving Derozan $25mm year was stupid and you were so excited about Kemba? Ahhh... those summer days
Kemba has been a disaster. I still think he was worth the risk. Sucks it doesn't look like it will work out. All he had to do was give us 24 minutes of above average play. The bar wasn't very high
Jmpasq wrote:fishmike wrote:Jmpasq wrote:knicks1248 wrote:The Indiana Pacers are increasingly open to trading core players - such as either Domantas Sabonis or Myles Turner, and guard Caris LeVert - as part of a large-scale rebuilding effort, sources told The Athletic's Shams Charania and Bob Kravitz.More to come.
There's at least 2 players i want on their roster Turner or Brogdan..
A rebuild means they will want picks and young players in OBI, IQ, Grimes, Rj, Duece, Mitch, Knox draft picks.
You you can't just offer the worse guys on the knicks and think they will go for it, so who can we sacrifice ?
I wanted them both in the off-season when we could of taken them into cap space. Now to many pieces have to go out to make it work
too bad they were never available then. Hey remember when you said my suggestion for giving Derozan $25mm year was stupid and you were so excited about Kemba? Ahhh... those summer daysKemba has been a disaster. I still think he was worth the risk. Sucks it doesn't look like it will work out. All he had to do was give us 24 minutes of above average play. The bar wasn't very high
Signing Kemba was delusional. Nostalgic, sure. Great pre-season rhetoric about "always" wanting to play here (especially when the tank is empty).
Ugh.
Duarte is a missed opportunity.
fwk00 wrote:Jmpasq wrote:fishmike wrote:Jmpasq wrote:knicks1248 wrote:The Indiana Pacers are increasingly open to trading core players - such as either Domantas Sabonis or Myles Turner, and guard Caris LeVert - as part of a large-scale rebuilding effort, sources told The Athletic's Shams Charania and Bob Kravitz.More to come.
There's at least 2 players i want on their roster Turner or Brogdan..
A rebuild means they will want picks and young players in OBI, IQ, Grimes, Rj, Duece, Mitch, Knox draft picks.
You you can't just offer the worse guys on the knicks and think they will go for it, so who can we sacrifice ?
I wanted them both in the off-season when we could of taken them into cap space. Now to many pieces have to go out to make it work
too bad they were never available then. Hey remember when you said my suggestion for giving Derozan $25mm year was stupid and you were so excited about Kemba? Ahhh... those summer daysKemba has been a disaster. I still think he was worth the risk. Sucks it doesn't look like it will work out. All he had to do was give us 24 minutes of above average play. The bar wasn't very high
Signing Kemba was delusional. Nostalgic, sure. Great pre-season rhetoric about "always" wanting to play here (especially when the tank is empty).
Ugh.
Duarte is a missed opportunity.
They tried. It's just every team knew Duarte was the best value play in the draft. We came away with McBride and Jokas, so I'm not too upset.
BigDaddyG wrote:fwk00 wrote:Jmpasq wrote:fishmike wrote:Jmpasq wrote:knicks1248 wrote:The Indiana Pacers are increasingly open to trading core players - such as either Domantas Sabonis or Myles Turner, and guard Caris LeVert - as part of a large-scale rebuilding effort, sources told The Athletic's Shams Charania and Bob Kravitz.More to come.
There's at least 2 players i want on their roster Turner or Brogdan..
A rebuild means they will want picks and young players in OBI, IQ, Grimes, Rj, Duece, Mitch, Knox draft picks.
You you can't just offer the worse guys on the knicks and think they will go for it, so who can we sacrifice ?
I wanted them both in the off-season when we could of taken them into cap space. Now to many pieces have to go out to make it work
too bad they were never available then. Hey remember when you said my suggestion for giving Derozan $25mm year was stupid and you were so excited about Kemba? Ahhh... those summer daysKemba has been a disaster. I still think he was worth the risk. Sucks it doesn't look like it will work out. All he had to do was give us 24 minutes of above average play. The bar wasn't very high
Signing Kemba was delusional. Nostalgic, sure. Great pre-season rhetoric about "always" wanting to play here (especially when the tank is empty).
Ugh.
Duarte is a missed opportunity.
They tried. It's just every team knew Duarte was the best value play in the draft. We came away with McBride and Jokas, so I'm not too upset.
They got good players in this draft. Wish they got Jalen Johnson too. Need a combo forward
Jmpasq wrote:martin wrote:Jmpasq wrote:knicks1248 wrote:The Indiana Pacers are increasingly open to trading core players - such as either Domantas Sabonis or Myles Turner, and guard Caris LeVert - as part of a large-scale rebuilding effort, sources told The Athletic's Shams Charania and Bob Kravitz.More to come.
There's at least 2 players i want on their roster Turner or Brogdan..
A rebuild means they will want picks and young players in OBI, IQ, Grimes, Rj, Duece, Mitch, Knox draft picks.
You you can't just offer the worse guys on the knicks and think they will go for it, so who can we sacrifice ?
I wanted them both in the off-season when we could of taken them into cap space. Now to many pieces have to go out to make it work
How? How could this have worked? I don't see this at all.
Brogden makes $21M and Turner is $18M
We had 50 million in cap space (Your not signing Fournier) + Mitch, Knox, Obi, Vildozas contract was tradeable and non-guaranteed. Multiple First Round Draft Picks. It was feasible. Trading for Turner now is a bad idea. The only way I'd do it is if the cost was Noel, Knox, and picks. If we can upgrade the team with only giving a swap of rotation players so be it.
You are suggesting that Indiana would have traded Brogden and Turner for the likes of Noel (sign & trade), Knox and picks?
Fans lamenting on the “what ifs” as if it was ours for the taking. Derozen contract was laughed at by most of you.
Now we look at unproven and have not done a thing in the NBA Grimes and McBride as our salvation?
We all shrugged at Kemba’s signing as low risk. dont’ sweat it. We’ll trade him or give him another chance.
11-16 and two of them are against us. Im sure they look look good right?
Nalod wrote:Pacers are 11-16 and we the fans are frothing over their dumpster fire like they are saviors.
Fans lamenting on the “what ifs” as if it was ours for the taking. Derozen contract was laughed at by most of you.
Now we look at unproven and have not done a thing in the NBA Grimes and McBride as our salvation?
We all shrugged at Kemba’s signing as low risk. dont’ sweat it. We’ll trade him or give him another chance.11-16 and two of them are against us. Im sure they look look good right?
Yes but Derrick Rose was our savior too!!! So there has got to be that magical player!
Nalod wrote:Pacers are 11-16 and we the fans are frothing over their dumpster fire like they are saviors.
Fans lamenting on the “what ifs” as if it was ours for the taking. Derozen contract was laughed at by most of you.
Now we look at unproven and have not done a thing in the NBA Grimes and McBride as our salvation?
We all shrugged at Kemba’s signing as low risk. dont’ sweat it. We’ll trade him or give him another chance.11-16 and two of them are against us. Im sure they look look good right?
Sabonis is better than anyone on our roster. Sorry
And I like our roster, mostly
Philc1 wrote:Nalod wrote:Pacers are 11-16 and we the fans are frothing over their dumpster fire like they are saviors.
Fans lamenting on the “what ifs” as if it was ours for the taking. Derozen contract was laughed at by most of you.
Now we look at unproven and have not done a thing in the NBA Grimes and McBride as our salvation?
We all shrugged at Kemba’s signing as low risk. dont’ sweat it. We’ll trade him or give him another chance.11-16 and two of them are against us. Im sure they look look good right?
Sabonis is better than anyone on our roster. Sorry
And I like our roster, mostly
I'm worried Thibs wouldn't be able to actually use Sabonis to his max potential.
franco12 wrote:should we start a Knicks Fire Sale, who you willing to sell?
Randle. Unfortunately the book on him is out there. We might not get more than one or two mid first round picks
franco12 wrote:Philc1 wrote:Nalod wrote:Pacers are 11-16 and we the fans are frothing over their dumpster fire like they are saviors.
Fans lamenting on the “what ifs” as if it was ours for the taking. Derozen contract was laughed at by most of you.
Now we look at unproven and have not done a thing in the NBA Grimes and McBride as our salvation?
We all shrugged at Kemba’s signing as low risk. dont’ sweat it. We’ll trade him or give him another chance.11-16 and two of them are against us. Im sure they look look good right?
Sabonis is better than anyone on our roster. Sorry
And I like our roster, mostlyI'm worried Thibs wouldn't be able to actually use Sabonis to his max potential.
Thibs doesn’t micromanage offense the way he does defense. Which is now becoming a serious problem because Randle thinks he’s Carmelo Anthony
Can we go back in time and out-tamper the Bulls for Lonzo? Great size, defense, 3 point touch, not too ball dominant. Failing to go after him hard was a gigantic mistake in hindsight.
FrenchFreak wrote:If we're going to move young players and picks we better be getting a legit point guard. The Kicks have worked hard to build up this supply of picks and young guys. It would be foolish to give it away for Turner or Sabonis while there's still a hole at PG.Can we go back in time and out-tamper the Bulls for Lonzo? Great size, defense, 3 point touch, not too ball dominant. Failing to go after him hard was a gigantic mistake in hindsight.
Figure out a way to get under the cap and sign Rubio next summer
FrenchFreak wrote:If we're going to move young players and picks we better be getting a legit point guard. The Kicks have worked hard to build up this supply of picks and young guys. It would be foolish to give it away for Turner or Sabonis while there's still a hole at PG.Can we go back in time and out-tamper the Bulls for Lonzo? Great size, defense, 3 point touch, not too ball dominant. Failing to go after him hard was a gigantic mistake in hindsight.
I’d give up 2 second rd picks to tamper for Lonzo.
That penalty was a joke. Should have been voided contract, cap hold and a 1st rd pick. Silver is a weak commissioner.
Salary aside, Barrett is the only player in the starting lineup I wouldn’t trade straight up for the Pacer’s counterpart. Randle vs Sabonis is the only question mark.
But if we could pick up Brogdon and Turner, I dunno. I’d be deep in conversations.
EwingsGlass wrote:It’s interesting, because on paper, Pacers are better than us IMO. We don’t match up well with them. When healthy, I’d expect them to be much better than us.Salary aside, Barrett is the only player in the starting lineup I wouldn’t trade straight up for the Pacer’s counterpart. Randle vs Sabonis is the only question mark.
But if we could pick up Brogdon and Turner, I dunno. I’d be deep in conversations.
I’d go all in for a brogdon/Turner combo.
C Turner
F Randle
F Barrett
G Fournier or Burks
PG Brogdon
That is a dangerous group if it clicks.
Knixkik wrote:EwingsGlass wrote:It’s interesting, because on paper, Pacers are better than us IMO. We don’t match up well with them. When healthy, I’d expect them to be much better than us.Salary aside, Barrett is the only player in the starting lineup I wouldn’t trade straight up for the Pacer’s counterpart. Randle vs Sabonis is the only question mark.
But if we could pick up Brogdon and Turner, I dunno. I’d be deep in conversations.
I’d go all in for a brogdon/Turner combo.
C Turner
F Randle
F Barrett
G Fournier or Burks
PG BrogdonThat is a dangerous group if it clicks.
I said earlier, but in case people missed it- Brogdan CANNOT BE TRADED THIS SEASON BECAUSE HE SIGNED A 2 YEAR EXTENSION!
The Pacers have agreed to a two-year, $45-million contract extension for the 6-5 guard. ESPN’s Adrian Wojnarowski reported the extension was announced by Brogdon’s agent, Austin Brown.The Pacers confirmed the deal Monday night without disclosing terms.
That brings Brogdon to a guaranteed $89.3 million for four years. The extension prevents him from being traded for the next six months, meaning he can't be traded this season.