Knicks · Knicks inactivity at the deadline (page 2)

Knixkik wrote:Regarding the Mavericks situation, they now have Dinwiddie and Luka. Have to think Dinwiddie is Brunson insurance, but seems like an awkward fit for Brunson suddenly playing with 2 lead ball handlers. Winning of course is important but wonder if he wants to play someplace he can actually be a full time PG.

Mavs can focus on resigning Finney Smith next summer. Dinwiddie can play off ball. KP and his idiot brother were locker room poison

Philc1 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:Regarding the Mavericks situation, they now have Dinwiddie and Luka. Have to think Dinwiddie is Brunson insurance, but seems like an awkward fit for Brunson suddenly playing with 2 lead ball handlers. Winning of course is important but wonder if he wants to play someplace he can actually be a full time PG.

Mavs can focus on resigning Finney Smith next summer. Dinwiddie can play off ball. KP and his idiot brother were locker room poison

Finney Smith just got his extension. I am curious how much of a locker room problem KP and his bro were. Obviously there was a big thing to make the bro feel good when he got traded there. Wonder how things went. Rookie porzingis was really something. Hungry, humble and ready to take over NY. Then his brother started metaling and things got funky for him. Attitude changed.

Knixkik wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:Regarding the Mavericks situation, they now have Dinwiddie and Luka. Have to think Dinwiddie is Brunson insurance, but seems like an awkward fit for Brunson suddenly playing with 2 lead ball handlers. Winning of course is important but wonder if he wants to play someplace he can actually be a full time PG.

Mavs can focus on resigning Finney Smith next summer. Dinwiddie can play off ball. KP and his idiot brother were locker room poison

Finney Smith just got his extension. I am curious how much of a locker room problem KP and his bro were. Obviously there was a big thing to make the bro feel good when he got traded there. Wonder how things went. Rookie porzingis was really something. Hungry, humble and ready to take over NY. Then his brother started metaling and things got funky for him. Attitude changed.

I think Porzingis shooting 28% from 3 was a bigger problem than his attitude. Bertans is a better and more willing floor spacer.

Dinwiddie will back up Brunson and take over when Luka sits. Not sure how much Dinwiddie has left in the tank.

Kemba, Burks, Noel for Porzingis would have worked cap wise.

From what I read KP attitude was not the issue. he was not effective enough on the court.
As for Janis, I believe the horse he rode in on was sent back to Latvia.
What happed in DC? They were killing it in the first third of the season! Dinwiddie was on the list of “Knicks fucked up and did not sign him” and they looked great!

The “league does not value our young guys”. I get that, but were we really trying to move them? If so, curious what the bigger fish was? we all love OBI but he does not have enough minutes to warrant a premium?

kicking the can down the road………..Every year fans look to trade deadline for relief. Most years we are disappointed. the reddish trade has a long way to go before we apply a “Grade” to it.

Randle on this road trip looks very good.

gradyandrew wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:Regarding the Mavericks situation, they now have Dinwiddie and Luka. Have to think Dinwiddie is Brunson insurance, but seems like an awkward fit for Brunson suddenly playing with 2 lead ball handlers. Winning of course is important but wonder if he wants to play someplace he can actually be a full time PG.

Mavs can focus on resigning Finney Smith next summer. Dinwiddie can play off ball. KP and his idiot brother were locker room poison

Finney Smith just got his extension. I am curious how much of a locker room problem KP and his bro were. Obviously there was a big thing to make the bro feel good when he got traded there. Wonder how things went. Rookie porzingis was really something. Hungry, humble and ready to take over NY. Then his brother started metaling and things got funky for him. Attitude changed.

I think Porzingis shooting 28% from 3 was a bigger problem than his attitude. Bertans is a better and more willing floor spacer.

Dinwiddie will back up Brunson and take over when Luka sits. Not sure how much Dinwiddie has left in the tank.

Kemba, Burks, Noel for Porzingis would have worked cap wise.

I’m sure the Knicks had no interest in bringing back Porzingis. For better or worse, I’m guessing the Knicks plan to bring back the same front court next season and try again to upgrade the backcourt. On the high end, I’m sure they will monitor Beal and Lillard and have those expiring contracts available to use. On the medium end, I see Brunson or Brogdon as most likely upgrades. On the lower end, if they strike out at all above, Schroeder will be available again as a modest PG upgrade.

Knixkik wrote:

gradyandrew wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:Regarding the Mavericks situation, they now have Dinwiddie and Luka. Have to think Dinwiddie is Brunson insurance, but seems like an awkward fit for Brunson suddenly playing with 2 lead ball handlers. Winning of course is important but wonder if he wants to play someplace he can actually be a full time PG.

Mavs can focus on resigning Finney Smith next summer. Dinwiddie can play off ball. KP and his idiot brother were locker room poison

Finney Smith just got his extension. I am curious how much of a locker room problem KP and his bro were. Obviously there was a big thing to make the bro feel good when he got traded there. Wonder how things went. Rookie porzingis was really something. Hungry, humble and ready to take over NY. Then his brother started metaling and things got funky for him. Attitude changed.

I think Porzingis shooting 28% from 3 was a bigger problem than his attitude. Bertans is a better and more willing floor spacer.

Dinwiddie will back up Brunson and take over when Luka sits. Not sure how much Dinwiddie has left in the tank.

Kemba, Burks, Noel for Porzingis would have worked cap wise.

I’m sure the Knicks had no interest in bringing back Porzingis. For better or worse, I’m guessing the Knicks plan to bring back the same front court next season and try again to upgrade the backcourt. On the high end, I’m sure they will monitor Beal and Lillard and have those expiring contracts available to use. On the medium end, I see Brunson or Brogdon as most likely upgrades. On the lower end, if they strike out at all above, Schroeder will be available again as a modest PG upgrade.

Rokas. And McBride. Those are the 2 guys the Knicks will definitely bring out if someone like Brunson is not going to be pursued.

Okay staying pat. Did not see anyone that was traded that would have made much of an impact or was worth the price. Fans can keep saying get rid of Kemba, Burks, EF and anyone else in a slump but FO's don't just knee jerk and get rid of guys just to do so. They look at if it makes us better. No one knows what was offered in return or what teams asked for in addition. Most deals that got done were with teams having to give up a young player and/or a future draft pick. Imo not worth it since non of our guys are that much of a burden. Both financially or as players. All are team guys and I believe can turn it around. I trust that Rose would have made a deal if we were on the winning side. Big change from years past.

Knixkik wrote:

gradyandrew wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:Regarding the Mavericks situation, they now have Dinwiddie and Luka. Have to think Dinwiddie is Brunson insurance, but seems like an awkward fit for Brunson suddenly playing with 2 lead ball handlers. Winning of course is important but wonder if he wants to play someplace he can actually be a full time PG.

Mavs can focus on resigning Finney Smith next summer. Dinwiddie can play off ball. KP and his idiot brother were locker room poison

Finney Smith just got his extension. I am curious how much of a locker room problem KP and his bro were. Obviously there was a big thing to make the bro feel good when he got traded there. Wonder how things went. Rookie porzingis was really something. Hungry, humble and ready to take over NY. Then his brother started metaling and things got funky for him. Attitude changed.

I think Porzingis shooting 28% from 3 was a bigger problem than his attitude. Bertans is a better and more willing floor spacer.

Dinwiddie will back up Brunson and take over when Luka sits. Not sure how much Dinwiddie has left in the tank.

Kemba, Burks, Noel for Porzingis would have worked cap wise.

I’m sure the Knicks had no interest in bringing back Porzingis. For better or worse, I’m guessing the Knicks plan to bring back the same front court next season and try again to upgrade the backcourt. On the high end, I’m sure they will monitor Beal and Lillard and have those expiring contracts available to use. On the medium end, I see Brunson or Brogdon as most likely upgrades. On the lower end, if they strike out at all above, Schroeder will be available again as a modest PG upgrade.

Schroeder has a rep of being a locker room cancer and can't shoot from three. I would pass.
I am sure Brunson will be available if we want to overpay. Do not know if he has enough sample size in order to pay $20m plus but not many options. Like Brogdan but what does it take to get him here. Perhaps we get lucky in draft and finally pick up a solid PG. Doubtful but we can hope.

Think if Deuce continues to progress he should at least be considered for backup. If we do not sign Brunson then we are looking at another year of PG by committee.

The Knicks inactivity at the deadline is a direct result of the team's performance so far, the vets that play heavy minutes in a loosing team will surely be undesirable and being on a none expiring contracts nade it impossible to move them.

I think the only way knicks improve is via free agency. As long as thibs is coaching, the knicks will never get a high lottery position.

The knicks may still have a positive trade deadline if somehow Thibs can figure out upw to give their only trade move around 20mins a game. If Cam can somehow get 20osh consistent minutes per game, the FO still fid a good jobe during the trading season.

I challenge anyone to find a trade that took a team like our current one (medocre-ish)that actually transformed them into a different tier. I suspect any of the candidates will be ones where there were enormously bad downstream consequences like taking on a huge long term contract for one good year. We need some perspective on what trades can accomplish. They are generally more in the nature of tinkering.

Now if you're an actual title contender, that tinkering might be all the differene

If you want to transform a mediocre or worse team the frustrating fact is you need to do it through drafting and development. DOn't expect FA to be the answer. WHy would a FA choose a medicore team (especially NY with high taxes) when they can get the same money from a contender. It might happen but don't get your hopes too high

For our part, we have Obi, IQ, Grimes, Deuce, Sims and the mysterious Rokas in two years. We are trending well. All are talented and all seemingly have their heads screwed on straight (under-rated attribute)

You can complain about the FA adds but they were all generally quite good calculated risks as the price. Even Randle.

Chandler wrote:

I challenge anyone to find a trade that took a team like our current one (medocre-ish)that actually transformed them into a different tier. I suspect any of the candidates will be ones where there were enormously bad downstream consequences like taking on a huge long term contract for one good year. We need some perspective on what trades can accomplish. They are generally more in the nature of tinkering.

Now if you're an actual title contender, that tinkering might be all the differene

If you want to transform a mediocre or worse team the frustrating fact is you need to do it through drafting and development. DOn't expect FA to be the answer. WHy would a FA choose a medicore team (especially NY with high taxes) when they can get the same money from a contender. It might happen but don't get your hopes too high

For our part, we have Obi, IQ, Grimes, Deuce, Sims and the mysterious Rokas in two years. We are trending well. All are talented and all seemingly have their heads screwed on straight (under-rated attribute)

You can complain about the FA adds but they were all generally quite good calculated risks as the price. Even Randle.

The Drose trade transformed us into a different tier last year.

Knixkik wrote:

Chandler wrote:

I challenge anyone to find a trade that took a team like our current one (medocre-ish)that actually transformed them into a different tier. I suspect any of the candidates will be ones where there were enormously bad downstream consequences like taking on a huge long term contract for one good year. We need some perspective on what trades can accomplish. They are generally more in the nature of tinkering.

Now if you're an actual title contender, that tinkering might be all the differene

If you want to transform a mediocre or worse team the frustrating fact is you need to do it through drafting and development. DOn't expect FA to be the answer. WHy would a FA choose a medicore team (especially NY with high taxes) when they can get the same money from a contender. It might happen but don't get your hopes too high

For our part, we have Obi, IQ, Grimes, Deuce, Sims and the mysterious Rokas in two years. We are trending well. All are talented and all seemingly have their heads screwed on straight (under-rated attribute)

You can complain about the FA adds but they were all generally quite good calculated risks as the price. Even Randle.

The Drose trade transformed us into a different tier last year.

I do feel like a certain type of PG could really transform the current team

martin wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

Chandler wrote:

I challenge anyone to find a trade that took a team like our current one (medocre-ish)that actually transformed them into a different tier. I suspect any of the candidates will be ones where there were enormously bad downstream consequences like taking on a huge long term contract for one good year. We need some perspective on what trades can accomplish. They are generally more in the nature of tinkering.

Now if you're an actual title contender, that tinkering might be all the differene

If you want to transform a mediocre or worse team the frustrating fact is you need to do it through drafting and development. DOn't expect FA to be the answer. WHy would a FA choose a medicore team (especially NY with high taxes) when they can get the same money from a contender. It might happen but don't get your hopes too high

For our part, we have Obi, IQ, Grimes, Deuce, Sims and the mysterious Rokas in two years. We are trending well. All are talented and all seemingly have their heads screwed on straight (under-rated attribute)

You can complain about the FA adds but they were all generally quite good calculated risks as the price. Even Randle.

The Drose trade transformed us into a different tier last year.

I do feel like a certain type of PG could really transform the current team

Yes I think we saw it last year with rose for sure. This year he clearly wasn’t 100% when he was playing and obviously has been out since. Kemba was supposed to bring that other 24 mins but he simply isn’t good anymore. If we get the right PG who can give us 28 mpg and a healthy rose for the other 20 mpg next year than I’m a huge advocate of running it back to see what we have. Obviously when the big star deal comes we do it, but I’m talking until then. We don’t need to get deep into the names but obviously Brunson and Brogdon are the two I’m keeping tabs on.

Knixkik wrote:

martin wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

Chandler wrote:

I challenge anyone to find a trade that took a team like our current one (medocre-ish)that actually transformed them into a different tier. I suspect any of the candidates will be ones where there were enormously bad downstream consequences like taking on a huge long term contract for one good year. We need some perspective on what trades can accomplish. They are generally more in the nature of tinkering.

Now if you're an actual title contender, that tinkering might be all the differene

If you want to transform a mediocre or worse team the frustrating fact is you need to do it through drafting and development. DOn't expect FA to be the answer. WHy would a FA choose a medicore team (especially NY with high taxes) when they can get the same money from a contender. It might happen but don't get your hopes too high

For our part, we have Obi, IQ, Grimes, Deuce, Sims and the mysterious Rokas in two years. We are trending well. All are talented and all seemingly have their heads screwed on straight (under-rated attribute)

You can complain about the FA adds but they were all generally quite good calculated risks as the price. Even Randle.

The Drose trade transformed us into a different tier last year.

I do feel like a certain type of PG could really transform the current team

Yes I think we saw it last year with rose for sure. This year he clearly wasn’t 100% when he was playing and obviously has been out since. Kemba was supposed to bring that other 24 mins but he simply isn’t good anymore. If we get the right PG who can give us 28 mpg and a healthy rose for the other 20 mpg next year than I’m a huge advocate of running it back to see what we have. Obviously when the big star deal comes we do it, but I’m talking until then. We don’t need to get deep into the names but obviously Brunson and Brogdon are the two I’m keeping tabs on.

I don't know much abut Brogdon but just don't feel like he is the right type of guy. And he misses a ton of games each year and with that contract, don't think the FO goes for it.

martin wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

martin wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

Chandler wrote:

I challenge anyone to find a trade that took a team like our current one (medocre-ish)that actually transformed them into a different tier. I suspect any of the candidates will be ones where there were enormously bad downstream consequences like taking on a huge long term contract for one good year. We need some perspective on what trades can accomplish. They are generally more in the nature of tinkering.

Now if you're an actual title contender, that tinkering might be all the differene

If you want to transform a mediocre or worse team the frustrating fact is you need to do it through drafting and development. DOn't expect FA to be the answer. WHy would a FA choose a medicore team (especially NY with high taxes) when they can get the same money from a contender. It might happen but don't get your hopes too high

For our part, we have Obi, IQ, Grimes, Deuce, Sims and the mysterious Rokas in two years. We are trending well. All are talented and all seemingly have their heads screwed on straight (under-rated attribute)

You can complain about the FA adds but they were all generally quite good calculated risks as the price. Even Randle.

The Drose trade transformed us into a different tier last year.

I do feel like a certain type of PG could really transform the current team

Yes I think we saw it last year with rose for sure. This year he clearly wasn’t 100% when he was playing and obviously has been out since. Kemba was supposed to bring that other 24 mins but he simply isn’t good anymore. If we get the right PG who can give us 28 mpg and a healthy rose for the other 20 mpg next year than I’m a huge advocate of running it back to see what we have. Obviously when the big star deal comes we do it, but I’m talking until then. We don’t need to get deep into the names but obviously Brunson and Brogdon are the two I’m keeping tabs on.

I don't know much abut Brogdon but just don't feel like he is the right type of guy. And he misses a ton of games each year and with that contract, don't think the FO goes for it.

Yes he does miss a ton of games and he’s approaching 30. I like him because he’s big, good point of attack defense, can play on and off the ball, can play 3 positions, and can shoot. He’s like Burks if Burks was actually a PG. as a bonus, he’s CAA client, for whatever that’s worth. But the injuries have held him back.

Chandler wrote:

I challenge anyone to find a trade that took a team like our current one (medocre-ish)that actually transformed them into a different tier. I suspect any of the candidates will be ones where there were enormously bad downstream consequences like taking on a huge long term contract for one good year. We need some perspective on what trades can accomplish. They are generally more in the nature of tinkering.

Now if you're an actual title contender, that tinkering might be all the differene

If you want to transform a mediocre or worse team the frustrating fact is you need to do it through drafting and development. DOn't expect FA to be the answer. WHy would a FA choose a medicore team (especially NY with high taxes) when they can get the same money from a contender. It might happen but don't get your hopes too high

For our part, we have Obi, IQ, Grimes, Deuce, Sims and the mysterious Rokas in two years. We are trending well. All are talented and all seemingly have their heads screwed on straight (under-rated attribute)

You can complain about the FA adds but they were all generally quite good calculated risks as the price. Even Randle.

Ok - I'll play along. The answer was last year's Knicks when we traded for D.Rose. We went from a middle of the road (below 500%) team to a top 4 playoff team. Imagine what a non-injured PG in their prime could do for this team.

While I'm against building around Randle and would go in a different direction - if we were able to add Brunson it would help a lot for sure.

Ok fair point about D.ROse. But at least we were the ones who made the trade. I feel a bit like Maxwell Smart requesting "how about 2 out of 3?" but the point still stands. Keep the idea of trading in perspective. You're almost universally talking about tweaking a roster that might have impact on a real contender pushing them over the top

Our focus needs to be on drafting and developing

martin wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

Chandler wrote:

I challenge anyone to find a trade that took a team like our current one (medocre-ish)that actually transformed them into a different tier. I suspect any of the candidates will be ones where there were enormously bad downstream consequences like taking on a huge long term contract for one good year. We need some perspective on what trades can accomplish. They are generally more in the nature of tinkering.

Now if you're an actual title contender, that tinkering might be all the differene

If you want to transform a mediocre or worse team the frustrating fact is you need to do it through drafting and development. DOn't expect FA to be the answer. WHy would a FA choose a medicore team (especially NY with high taxes) when they can get the same money from a contender. It might happen but don't get your hopes too high

For our part, we have Obi, IQ, Grimes, Deuce, Sims and the mysterious Rokas in two years. We are trending well. All are talented and all seemingly have their heads screwed on straight (under-rated attribute)

You can complain about the FA adds but they were all generally quite good calculated risks as the price. Even Randle.

The Drose trade transformed us into a different tier last year.

I do feel like a certain type of PG could really transform the current team

With Davion Mitchell emerging as a legitimate SG in Sacramento, one of Fox or Halliburton became available. I think Halliburton would have required Randle. Sabonis is probably better but it's close enough that the Knicks could have thrown in some picks/ prospects.

I'm guessing they would have preferred to trade Fox. I think Obi and Fournier at least would have been a basis for a deal. We missed our chance. Again.

Knixkik wrote:Regarding the Mavericks situation, they now have Dinwiddie and Luka. Have to think Dinwiddie is Brunson insurance, but seems like an awkward fit for Brunson suddenly playing with 2 lead ball handlers. Winning of course is important but wonder if he wants to play someplace he can actually be a full time PG.

The NBA top winning team the Phoenix Suns play with 2 PG in their lineup.
The Mavs adding a pass-first PG Dinwiddy to their rotation only says they want more ball movement in their offense. Brunson will be a Mavs keeper if the offense improve having 2 PG in their offense.

Kemet wrote:

Knixkik wrote:Regarding the Mavericks situation, they now have Dinwiddie and Luka. Have to think Dinwiddie is Brunson insurance, but seems like an awkward fit for Brunson suddenly playing with 2 lead ball handlers. Winning of course is important but wonder if he wants to play someplace he can actually be a full time PG.

The NBA top winning team the Phoenix Suns play with 2 PG in their lineup.
The Mavs adding a pass-first PG Dinwiddy to their rotation only says they want more ball movement in their offense. Brunson will be a Mavs keeper if the offense improve having 2 PG in their offense.

2 things. If they have Dinwiddie, Brunson and Luka in the lineup you essentially have 3 PGs. Also Dinwiddie is very high usage. And he can’t play off the ball.