Knicks · RJ emerging as clutch player (page 2)

KnickDanger @ 3/21/2022 12:10 PM
It seems to me that people ignore that RJ is 21 years old. It may not be a given, but trading him now is likely selling low. Of course that is the Knicks (and fans) way.
Nalod @ 3/21/2022 12:48 PM
KnickDanger wrote:It seems to me that people ignore that RJ is 21 years old. It may not be a given, but trading him now is likely selling low. Of course that is the Knicks (and fans) way.

To be fair its been a while since we traded player or a pick that was egregiously short sighted.
Fans are another thing and very impressionable or emotional.
That said RJ is a full 4 years younger than Mitchell and naturally we don't know what he will be and thus have to pay a premium on a deal like that. Trading picks are easy. Its a future one cannot see. Picks are statistically don't always pan out, thus they don't hold value as "a sure thing". Mitchell is a sure thing. RJ a "pretty much a sure thing".
Coach Quinn snyder is rumored to be Spurs coach when Pop retires. Might be time for a change and a shake up. Jazz do a good job staying competitive over the years. Sort of a "Pacers West" but a bit more consistent?
Donovan Mitchell has little leverage to say where he wants to go. He took the money. 3 more years THEN a player option for 37mm.

As for any deal with Randle, Im sure we all would not cry but for the most port I have him labeled "inconsistant" and that said no on a crazy contract IF HE CAN RETURN TO SOME FORM OF CONSISTENCY EVEN IF NOT AT LAST YERAS PRODUCTION.
There was a reason he did not sign for max money. Most likely we did not offer it. If we did why would he not have?
I'd like to think he can be a 3rd or 4th option on a really good team.

Philc1 @ 3/22/2022 3:45 PM
Panos wrote:How's this for a player comp for RJ: Scottie Pippen
Yeah, yeah, i know. Hall of Famer. But similar skills?

I’m still holding out for Jayson Tatum 2.0 which is fairly realistic

Philc1 @ 3/22/2022 3:46 PM
Swishfm3 wrote:Do people on this site even watch basketball games?

RJ is considered “clutch” cause he finally hit a FT and now we’re comparing him to Scottie Pippen?!

Both he and Randle shot 6-22. RAndle had one more turnover than Barrett did and was 4+ to Barrett’s 4-.

Make it make sense

Hit a gw 3 and game tying three this year. Yeah we don’t watch basketball if you don’t count almost every Knick game this year plus rest of nba

Philc1 @ 3/22/2022 3:48 PM
gradyandrew wrote:
jskinny35 wrote:I think he plays pretty good defense, hustles, passes to Mitch, etc... but he really does need to improve his offensive efficiency if he wants to separate himself and become a focal point of this franchise. You can't have many 6 for 22 shooting nights and be looked at as a real offensive threat. I think he'll get there but just don't think the Randle/RJ combo brings out the best in one another. They're both similar in they can look great offensively at times, and looks clueless on other nights. But RJ is 21 and hustles more so let's hope we can find a taker for Randle this offseason (in addition to finding a PG, keeping Mitch, etc)...

As someone pointed out, getting his FTs up to 80% is the key.

Absolutely. It would also be nice if he started getting calls

losmeister @ 3/22/2022 10:51 PM
most sports fans are fucking retard/fanboys

he shot 50% 3 games ago... followed by sub 40 x3... yawwwwwwwwwwwn

jrodmc @ 3/23/2022 9:18 AM
"Clutch" RJ is about as relevant now as "Plane to the gym"...
I'm in no way trading him at this point, but he's become the king of the 1 for N three point shooting stat.

Sort of like Frankie was the 0-0-0 king...
Nalod @ 3/24/2022 11:24 AM
Find the per 10 game samples, thats how you measure in season progress. His early numbers pull him down. First month vs last month, etc.

Then remember he is not 22 until August.
I’d like to see:

Mitch
Grimes
Randle
RJ
Brunson

I think Reddish or Grimes is trade fodder as is OBI and perhaps fornier. There is a chemistry issue with our starters and it need be solved. Open concept thoughts don’t solve new chemistry issues that could arise. Lets not be Naive, moving Randle “for the right deal” is not something tangible. This shit is easier to type than execcute.

Reality is we have excess depth and this is a new place for fans to enter. The extent of how valuable they are is not clearly defined and we fans are usually not accurate. We either over value but frequently under value as well. Me included.
Im not looking for a picture perfect PG like Morant unless we land a stud via the draft. Brunson makes plays and free’s up Luka very nicely. What can he do for Randle and RJ? He has a Tony Parker kind of get in the paint thing that works nice. Not saying he is HOF material. Saying he could be a good fit. Thats more impootant than CAA/Leon/WWW frat boy stuff.

Philc1 @ 3/24/2022 12:01 PM
losmeister wrote:most sports fans are fucking retard/fanboys

he shot 50% 3 games ago... followed by sub 40 x3... yawwwwwwwwwwwn

mad about Dutch boy looking crap last season?

Philc1 @ 3/24/2022 12:03 PM
jrodmc wrote:"Clutch" RJ is about as relevant now as "Plane to the gym"...
I'm in no way trading him at this point, but he's become the king of the 1 for N three point shooting stat.

Sort of like Frankie was the 0-0-0 king...

Comparing RJ to Frank? That’s a stretch. RJ is in a different world offensively

martin @ 4/1/2022 12:10 PM
RJ doing big boy things

jrodmc @ 4/1/2022 1:44 PM
martin wrote:RJ doing big boy things

Is that a sort of favorable post about Melo? Be still my heart. I really think Rebecca's naming the child martin. That should show Wally, the bastid!

But how does RJ compare to Lin's "month"? That's the real question!

Swishfm3 @ 4/1/2022 4:27 PM
martin wrote:RJ doing big boy things

99% of the members on this site hate Melo and Randle so this is a worthless stat to share here

martin @ 4/5/2022 1:42 PM
RJ emerging as a leader.

The absence of a mention may not mean much but in this case I thought it at least had some significance. If both RJ and Randle were in the gym and lending their voice to the whole process, Obi would have said both their names.

BigDaddyG @ 4/5/2022 2:25 PM
martin wrote:RJ emerging as a leader.

The absence of a mention may not mean much but in this case I thought it at least had some significance. If both RJ and Randle were in the gym and lending their voice to the whole process, Obi would have said both their names.


I wouldn't read much into it. The reporter specifically asked about RJ. There's plenty out there that'll make you question Randle's leadership, but I'm pretty sure Obi's answer wasn't indicative of anything.
jrodmc @ 4/5/2022 2:26 PM
martin wrote:RJ emerging as a leader.

The absence of a mention may not mean much but in this case I thought it at least had some significance. If both RJ and Randle were in the gym and lending their voice to the whole process, Obi would have said both their names.

2nd year in the league and we talkin bout changing the organization? WTF?

At this point, I'm pretty sure Randle's probably not beating anyone into or staying late in the gym. I would imagine we would have heard that from Randle, if it was actually happening.

smackeddog @ 4/5/2022 4:40 PM

Randle did an excellent job this season of helping teach RJ to become a better leader by essentially showing him how not to behave- note how RJ has made a point of doing the opposite of Randle- he was happy to go to pressers even after losses, he made the effort to pass more to Mitch and encourage him, likewise with the other young guys. He shows appreciation to the fans. He celebrates the success of his team mates. Nice to see.

BigDaddyG @ 4/5/2022 5:04 PM
smackeddog wrote:

Randle did an excellent job this season of helping teach RJ to become a better leader by essentially showing him how not to behave- note how RJ has made a point of doing the opposite of Randle- he was happy to go to pressers even after losses, he made the effort to pass more to Mitch and encourage him, likewise with the other young guys. He shows appreciation to the fans. He celebrates the success of his team mates. Nice to see.


Would it be a low blow to say that after three years of watching Randle here, I can see why his Kentucky team lost to a less talented UConn team? (shoutouts to Shabazz Napier) Randle must've been really fun in that locker room as well.
Philc1 @ 4/6/2022 4:21 AM
BigDaddyG wrote:
smackeddog wrote:

Randle did an excellent job this season of helping teach RJ to become a better leader by essentially showing him how not to behave- note how RJ has made a point of doing the opposite of Randle- he was happy to go to pressers even after losses, he made the effort to pass more to Mitch and encourage him, likewise with the other young guys. He shows appreciation to the fans. He celebrates the success of his team mates. Nice to see.


Would it be a low blow to say that after three years of watching Randle here, I can see why his Kentucky team lost to a less talented UConn team? (shoutouts to Shabazz Napier) Randle must've been really fun in that locker room as well.

Randle has made the playoffs once as a NBA player. Once in 8 years

Nalod @ 4/6/2022 7:23 AM
Philc1 wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
smackeddog wrote:

Randle did an excellent job this season of helping teach RJ to become a better leader by essentially showing him how not to behave- note how RJ has made a point of doing the opposite of Randle- he was happy to go to pressers even after losses, he made the effort to pass more to Mitch and encourage him, likewise with the other young guys. He shows appreciation to the fans. He celebrates the success of his team mates. Nice to see.


Would it be a low blow to say that after three years of watching Randle here, I can see why his Kentucky team lost to a less talented UConn team? (shoutouts to Shabazz Napier) Randle must've been really fun in that locker room as well.

Randle has made the playoffs once as a NBA player. Once in 8 years

Its not that USTA or PGA. teams make playoffs, not players. He played 14 minutes his rookie year.
He also made the allstar game, most improved player and 2nd team all NBA just a year ago.
One might look at the big picture and decipher what is accurate and what is subjective.
Randle had a bad season after systematically improving. Question is how did this happen and how can it be fixed.

EwingsGlass @ 4/6/2022 8:38 AM
Nalod wrote:
Philc1 wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
smackeddog wrote:

Randle did an excellent job this season of helping teach RJ to become a better leader by essentially showing him how not to behave- note how RJ has made a point of doing the opposite of Randle- he was happy to go to pressers even after losses, he made the effort to pass more to Mitch and encourage him, likewise with the other young guys. He shows appreciation to the fans. He celebrates the success of his team mates. Nice to see.


Would it be a low blow to say that after three years of watching Randle here, I can see why his Kentucky team lost to a less talented UConn team? (shoutouts to Shabazz Napier) Randle must've been really fun in that locker room as well.

Randle has made the playoffs once as a NBA player. Once in 8 years

Its not that USTA or PGA. teams make playoffs, not players. He played 14 minutes his rookie year.
He also made the allstar game, most improved player and 2nd team all NBA just a year ago.
One might look at the big picture and decipher what is accurate and what is subjective.
Randle had a bad season after systematically improving. Question is how did this happen and how can it be fixed.

Something is wrong with his footwork and it’s affecting the rest of his game and his head. He’s compensating by only passing to Fournier as an offensive 1/2 to the exclusion of the rest of the team. He’s a great player and in the right role he is still a max or near max player, but the discount comes from the confusion as to whether he is Kobe or Dray Green. He can be more than Green, but he needs to find joy in getting his teammates involved regardless of his scoring total. He froze Barrett out a bit last year.

Anyone trading for Randle will want him to change his role. His shot selection is just not good enough. If he was 24 points on 50% in the paint, 40% front 3, 80% from the line with 7 attempts per game, 10 rebs, 5 assists, he’d be all NBA again. Funny thing is, he could do that on the same 17 attempts. And if his attempts came in the flow instead of ISO ball, it would be that much easier. I want to remove ISO-Randle and replace him with Team-Guy Randle.

We will see what happens over the offseason. I just wouldn’t sell low on Randle because this year didn’t work out.

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