Knicks · RJ Barrett: 150 million dollar man (page 2)

Jmpasq wrote:

Panos wrote:

martin wrote:

Knixkik wrote:His lack of efficiency has been based on his situation. I can only imagine him in the Wiggins role in GS or playing in Memphis. He would have a much different rep.

Was his situation Below Average Volume Shooting?

He lacks touch around the rim.

He lacks feel for the mid range; he has got to do something with that push shot.

He runs hot and cold from the arc.

Those are his situations.

The fact that we have this discussion after drafting him #3, after swinging and missing on KP with the #4 is truly a buzz kill. If you walk out of two top 3/4 picks with no franchise player, that really sucks.

This is a bad franchise. Not only do they have no luck but they always pick the wrong player

I remember saying Ja will be the best player in that draft, over zion and RJ. I’m wondering if Ivey is that player in this draft. Someone we will all look back on and say, why didn’t Rose sale the farm to move up”.

Hindsight always 2020

RJ may or may not be a franchise player, but he’s a talented nba player and we need to draft more talent. Obtaining a franchise player is not easy (gotta get lucky) but more talent is always needed.

blkexec wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

Panos wrote:

martin wrote:

Knixkik wrote:His lack of efficiency has been based on his situation. I can only imagine him in the Wiggins role in GS or playing in Memphis. He would have a much different rep.

Was his situation Below Average Volume Shooting?

He lacks touch around the rim.

He lacks feel for the mid range; he has got to do something with that push shot.

He runs hot and cold from the arc.

Those are his situations.

The fact that we have this discussion after drafting him #3, after swinging and missing on KP with the #4 is truly a buzz kill. If you walk out of two top 3/4 picks with no franchise player, that really sucks.

This is a bad franchise. Not only do they have no luck but they always pick the wrong player

I remember saying Ja will be the best player in that draft, over zion and RJ. I’m wondering if Ivey is that player in this draft. Someone we will all look back on and say, why didn’t Rose sale the farm to move up”.

Hindsight always 2020

RJ may or may not be a franchise player, but he’s a talented nba player and we need to draft more talent. Obtaining a franchise player is not easy (gotta get lucky) but more talent is always needed.

I don't think Ivey is on the same level as Ja was, prospect wise. Right now, Ivey looks like John Wall without the passing and he will need time. I do think Banchero fits the description though. I think teams will regret taking Jabari or Chet over him. As an aside, was it Texas where you played pickup with Mitch Robinson? The KFS podcast had Dallas sports radio host and former Mets pitcher, , Mike Bacsik on he said the Mavs were one of the teams Mitch wouldn't mind going to.

BigDaddyG wrote:

blkexec wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

Panos wrote:

martin wrote:

Knixkik wrote:His lack of efficiency has been based on his situation. I can only imagine him in the Wiggins role in GS or playing in Memphis. He would have a much different rep.

Was his situation Below Average Volume Shooting?

He lacks touch around the rim.

He lacks feel for the mid range; he has got to do something with that push shot.

He runs hot and cold from the arc.

Those are his situations.

The fact that we have this discussion after drafting him #3, after swinging and missing on KP with the #4 is truly a buzz kill. If you walk out of two top 3/4 picks with no franchise player, that really sucks.

This is a bad franchise. Not only do they have no luck but they always pick the wrong player

I remember saying Ja will be the best player in that draft, over zion and RJ. I’m wondering if Ivey is that player in this draft. Someone we will all look back on and say, why didn’t Rose sale the farm to move up”.

Hindsight always 2020

RJ may or may not be a franchise player, but he’s a talented nba player and we need to draft more talent. Obtaining a franchise player is not easy (gotta get lucky) but more talent is always needed.

I don't think Ivey is on the same level as Ja was, prospect wise. Right now, Ivey looks like John Wall without the passing and he will need time. I do think Banchero fits the description though. I think teams will regret taking Jabari or Chet over him. As an aside, was it Texas where you played pickup with Mitch Robinson? The KFS podcast had Dallas sports radio host and former Mets pitcher, , Mike Bacsik on he said the Mavs were one of the teams Mitch wouldn't mind going to.

I don’t think Banchero is a good enough shooter plus his athleticism and size was how he dominated college. He’s not going to have those advantages in the nba playing against grown men who have the same size/strength combo. Similar thing happened to Zion

Philc1 wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

blkexec wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

Panos wrote:

martin wrote:

Knixkik wrote:His lack of efficiency has been based on his situation. I can only imagine him in the Wiggins role in GS or playing in Memphis. He would have a much different rep.

Was his situation Below Average Volume Shooting?

He lacks touch around the rim.

He lacks feel for the mid range; he has got to do something with that push shot.

He runs hot and cold from the arc.

Those are his situations.

The fact that we have this discussion after drafting him #3, after swinging and missing on KP with the #4 is truly a buzz kill. If you walk out of two top 3/4 picks with no franchise player, that really sucks.

This is a bad franchise. Not only do they have no luck but they always pick the wrong player

I remember saying Ja will be the best player in that draft, over zion and RJ. I’m wondering if Ivey is that player in this draft. Someone we will all look back on and say, why didn’t Rose sale the farm to move up”.

Hindsight always 2020

RJ may or may not be a franchise player, but he’s a talented nba player and we need to draft more talent. Obtaining a franchise player is not easy (gotta get lucky) but more talent is always needed.

I don't think Ivey is on the same level as Ja was, prospect wise. Right now, Ivey looks like John Wall without the passing and he will need time. I do think Banchero fits the description though. I think teams will regret taking Jabari or Chet over him. As an aside, was it Texas where you played pickup with Mitch Robinson? The KFS podcast had Dallas sports radio host and former Mets pitcher, , Mike Bacsik on he said the Mavs were one of the teams Mitch wouldn't mind going to.

I don’t think Banchero is a good enough shooter plus his athleticism and size was how he dominated college. He’s not going to have those advantages in the nba playing against grown men who have the same size/strength combo. Similar thing happened to Zion

Naw, Zion had historic numbers when he played. I can't think of anyone who has Zion's size, strength, speed combo in the NBA. He's not playing because he crushes a lot...of Mount Dews, Pizza pies, burgers...Banchero is big and is really skilled. He is absolutely killer shooting in the midrange, can be the initiator or finisher in the PnR, can score in the post, face up and drive. The three point shot mechanics aren't broken, his shot selection just needs to be tempered.

If RJ can improve his efficiency as some have mentioned and get his 3 point percentage up to the 38% range (without the bad starts he has had the past two seasons), then I think he turns himself into a max player or fairly close to max player. If he takes another step up, then the market will dictate that he get paid the max, but his 3 point shooting has got to improve and remain consistent.

TheGame wrote:If RJ can improve his efficiency as some have mentioned and get his 3 point percentage up to the 38% range (without the bad starts he has had the past two seasons), then I think he turns himself into a max player or fairly close to max player. If he takes another step up, then the market will dictate that he get paid the max, but his 3 point shooting has got to improve and remain consistent.

How much of an improvement from 3 are you looking for? Would you be good with a consistent 37% from three and a 7-10 percent in free throw percentage.

^^ for his style of play i'd rather see him hitting 75-80+% FT. this would just encourage him all the more to drive and draw fouls

regarding 3pt% i'm more interested if he hits them when they matter. If he gets his FT% up players will likely sag off him a little more giving some more space. He needs to hit those

Chandler wrote:^^ for his style of play i'd rather see him hitting 75-80+% FT. this would just encourage him all the more to drive and draw fouls

regarding 3pt% i'm more interested if he hits them when they matter. If he gets his FT% up players will likely sag off him a little more giving some more space. He needs to hit those

Yeah, I'd be good with 36% from three with improvements from the line and the rim. 38-40% would be nice, but I don't think he needs it to be taken seriously as a scorer.

BigDaddyG wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

blkexec wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

Panos wrote:

martin wrote:

Knixkik wrote:His lack of efficiency has been based on his situation. I can only imagine him in the Wiggins role in GS or playing in Memphis. He would have a much different rep.

Was his situation Below Average Volume Shooting?

He lacks touch around the rim.

He lacks feel for the mid range; he has got to do something with that push shot.

He runs hot and cold from the arc.

Those are his situations.

The fact that we have this discussion after drafting him #3, after swinging and missing on KP with the #4 is truly a buzz kill. If you walk out of two top 3/4 picks with no franchise player, that really sucks.

This is a bad franchise. Not only do they have no luck but they always pick the wrong player

I remember saying Ja will be the best player in that draft, over zion and RJ. I’m wondering if Ivey is that player in this draft. Someone we will all look back on and say, why didn’t Rose sale the farm to move up”.

Hindsight always 2020

RJ may or may not be a franchise player, but he’s a talented nba player and we need to draft more talent. Obtaining a franchise player is not easy (gotta get lucky) but more talent is always needed.

I don't think Ivey is on the same level as Ja was, prospect wise. Right now, Ivey looks like John Wall without the passing and he will need time. I do think Banchero fits the description though. I think teams will regret taking Jabari or Chet over him. As an aside, was it Texas where you played pickup with Mitch Robinson? The KFS podcast had Dallas sports radio host and former Mets pitcher, , Mike Bacsik on he said the Mavs were one of the teams Mitch wouldn't mind going to.

I don’t think Banchero is a good enough shooter plus his athleticism and size was how he dominated college. He’s not going to have those advantages in the nba playing against grown men who have the same size/strength combo. Similar thing happened to Zion

Naw, Zion had historic numbers when he played. I can't think of anyone who has Zion's size, strength, speed combo in the NBA. He's not playing because he crushes a lot...of Mount Dews, Pizza pies, burgers...Banchero is big and is really skilled. He is absolutely killer shooting in the midrange, can be the initiator or finisher in the PnR, can score in the post, face up and drive. The three point shot mechanics aren't broken, his shot selection just needs to be tempered.

Even when Zion has played he hasn’t been that good. Yes he fills box scores because he camps in the paint and grabs rebounds and put backs but the hornets one can argue have been better when he hasn’t played

You have to be careful evaluating guys like Banchero who are just way bigger and faster than the undersized toothpicks they play against in college. He was also mediocre % from 3 last year. He will be a solid player but not this generational phenom people are saying he is

Zion played 61 out of 72 games on the shortend season that was 2020-21. Fact
He avged 33 min per game, 27pts and 3.7 assists. They moved him to point forward and he was unstoppable. Not camped out. Avg 7 rebs also.. Fact

In games he did not play the Pels were 2-9. Fact.
PHil, stop insulting us with your stupidity.

You want to discuss Bancharo thats one thing. Talk about Zion to prove a point only makes you look dumb.
If you consider your statement then all NCAA players cannot play in the NBA as they are not competing against the same talent.
Fact is young players do grow, get stronger and adapt. Your assuming Bancharo cannot.

Philc1 wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

blkexec wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

Panos wrote:

martin wrote:

Knixkik wrote:His lack of efficiency has been based on his situation. I can only imagine him in the Wiggins role in GS or playing in Memphis. He would have a much different rep.

Was his situation Below Average Volume Shooting?

He lacks touch around the rim.

He lacks feel for the mid range; he has got to do something with that push shot.

He runs hot and cold from the arc.

Those are his situations.

The fact that we have this discussion after drafting him #3, after swinging and missing on KP with the #4 is truly a buzz kill. If you walk out of two top 3/4 picks with no franchise player, that really sucks.

This is a bad franchise. Not only do they have no luck but they always pick the wrong player

I remember saying Ja will be the best player in that draft, over zion and RJ. I’m wondering if Ivey is that player in this draft. Someone we will all look back on and say, why didn’t Rose sale the farm to move up”.

Hindsight always 2020

RJ may or may not be a franchise player, but he’s a talented nba player and we need to draft more talent. Obtaining a franchise player is not easy (gotta get lucky) but more talent is always needed.

I don't think Ivey is on the same level as Ja was, prospect wise. Right now, Ivey looks like John Wall without the passing and he will need time. I do think Banchero fits the description though. I think teams will regret taking Jabari or Chet over him. As an aside, was it Texas where you played pickup with Mitch Robinson? The KFS podcast had Dallas sports radio host and former Mets pitcher, , Mike Bacsik on he said the Mavs were one of the teams Mitch wouldn't mind going to.

I don’t think Banchero is a good enough shooter plus his athleticism and size was how he dominated college. He’s not going to have those advantages in the nba playing against grown men who have the same size/strength combo. Similar thing happened to Zion

Naw, Zion had historic numbers when he played. I can't think of anyone who has Zion's size, strength, speed combo in the NBA. He's not playing because he crushes a lot...of Mount Dews, Pizza pies, burgers...Banchero is big and is really skilled. He is absolutely killer shooting in the midrange, can be the initiator or finisher in the PnR, can score in the post, face up and drive. The three point shot mechanics aren't broken, his shot selection just needs to be tempered.

Even when Zion has played he hasn’t been that good. Yes he fills box scores because he camps in the paint and grabs rebounds and put backs but the hornets one can argue have been better when he hasn’t played

You have to be careful evaluating guys like Banchero who are just way bigger and faster than the undersized toothpicks they play against in college. He was also mediocre % from 3 last year. He will be a solid player but not this generational phenom people are saying he is

yeah bro... Zion's trash. WTF are you watching?

fishmike wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

blkexec wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

Panos wrote:

martin wrote:

Knixkik wrote:His lack of efficiency has been based on his situation. I can only imagine him in the Wiggins role in GS or playing in Memphis. He would have a much different rep.

Was his situation Below Average Volume Shooting?

He lacks touch around the rim.

He lacks feel for the mid range; he has got to do something with that push shot.

He runs hot and cold from the arc.

Those are his situations.

The fact that we have this discussion after drafting him #3, after swinging and missing on KP with the #4 is truly a buzz kill. If you walk out of two top 3/4 picks with no franchise player, that really sucks.

This is a bad franchise. Not only do they have no luck but they always pick the wrong player

I remember saying Ja will be the best player in that draft, over zion and RJ. I’m wondering if Ivey is that player in this draft. Someone we will all look back on and say, why didn’t Rose sale the farm to move up”.

Hindsight always 2020

RJ may or may not be a franchise player, but he’s a talented nba player and we need to draft more talent. Obtaining a franchise player is not easy (gotta get lucky) but more talent is always needed.

I don't think Ivey is on the same level as Ja was, prospect wise. Right now, Ivey looks like John Wall without the passing and he will need time. I do think Banchero fits the description though. I think teams will regret taking Jabari or Chet over him. As an aside, was it Texas where you played pickup with Mitch Robinson? The KFS podcast had Dallas sports radio host and former Mets pitcher, , Mike Bacsik on he said the Mavs were one of the teams Mitch wouldn't mind going to.

I don’t think Banchero is a good enough shooter plus his athleticism and size was how he dominated college. He’s not going to have those advantages in the nba playing against grown men who have the same size/strength combo. Similar thing happened to Zion

Naw, Zion had historic numbers when he played. I can't think of anyone who has Zion's size, strength, speed combo in the NBA. He's not playing because he crushes a lot...of Mount Dews, Pizza pies, burgers...Banchero is big and is really skilled. He is absolutely killer shooting in the midrange, can be the initiator or finisher in the PnR, can score in the post, face up and drive. The three point shot mechanics aren't broken, his shot selection just needs to be tempered.

Even when Zion has played he hasn’t been that good. Yes he fills box scores because he camps in the paint and grabs rebounds and put backs but the hornets one can argue have been better when he hasn’t played

You have to be careful evaluating guys like Banchero who are just way bigger and faster than the undersized toothpicks they play against in college. He was also mediocre % from 3 last year. He will be a solid player but not this generational phenom people are saying he is

yeah bro... Zion's trash. WTF are you watching?

still chugging ESPN kool aid from 4 years ago

Philc1 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

blkexec wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

Panos wrote:

martin wrote:

Knixkik wrote:His lack of efficiency has been based on his situation. I can only imagine him in the Wiggins role in GS or playing in Memphis. He would have a much different rep.

Was his situation Below Average Volume Shooting?

He lacks touch around the rim.

He lacks feel for the mid range; he has got to do something with that push shot.

He runs hot and cold from the arc.

Those are his situations.

The fact that we have this discussion after drafting him #3, after swinging and missing on KP with the #4 is truly a buzz kill. If you walk out of two top 3/4 picks with no franchise player, that really sucks.

This is a bad franchise. Not only do they have no luck but they always pick the wrong player

I remember saying Ja will be the best player in that draft, over zion and RJ. I’m wondering if Ivey is that player in this draft. Someone we will all look back on and say, why didn’t Rose sale the farm to move up”.

Hindsight always 2020

RJ may or may not be a franchise player, but he’s a talented nba player and we need to draft more talent. Obtaining a franchise player is not easy (gotta get lucky) but more talent is always needed.

I don't think Ivey is on the same level as Ja was, prospect wise. Right now, Ivey looks like John Wall without the passing and he will need time. I do think Banchero fits the description though. I think teams will regret taking Jabari or Chet over him. As an aside, was it Texas where you played pickup with Mitch Robinson? The KFS podcast had Dallas sports radio host and former Mets pitcher, , Mike Bacsik on he said the Mavs were one of the teams Mitch wouldn't mind going to.

I don’t think Banchero is a good enough shooter plus his athleticism and size was how he dominated college. He’s not going to have those advantages in the nba playing against grown men who have the same size/strength combo. Similar thing happened to Zion

Naw, Zion had historic numbers when he played. I can't think of anyone who has Zion's size, strength, speed combo in the NBA. He's not playing because he crushes a lot...of Mount Dews, Pizza pies, burgers...Banchero is big and is really skilled. He is absolutely killer shooting in the midrange, can be the initiator or finisher in the PnR, can score in the post, face up and drive. The three point shot mechanics aren't broken, his shot selection just needs to be tempered.

Even when Zion has played he hasn’t been that good. Yes he fills box scores because he camps in the paint and grabs rebounds and put backs but the hornets one can argue have been better when he hasn’t played

You have to be careful evaluating guys like Banchero who are just way bigger and faster than the undersized toothpicks they play against in college. He was also mediocre % from 3 last year. He will be a solid player but not this generational phenom people are saying he is

yeah bro... Zion's trash. WTF are you watching?

still chugging ESPN kool aid from 4 years ago

Zion played 61 out of 72 games on the shortend season that was 2020-21. Fact
He avged 33 min per game, 27pts and 3.7 assists. They moved him to point forward and he was unstoppable. Not camped out. Avg 7 rebs also.. Fact

In games he did not play the Pels were 2-9. Fact.
PHil, stop insulting us with your stupidity.

When presented with facts. You deflect like a preteen.

Nalod wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

blkexec wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

Panos wrote:

martin wrote:

Knixkik wrote:His lack of efficiency has been based on his situation. I can only imagine him in the Wiggins role in GS or playing in Memphis. He would have a much different rep.

Was his situation Below Average Volume Shooting?

He lacks touch around the rim.

He lacks feel for the mid range; he has got to do something with that push shot.

He runs hot and cold from the arc.

Those are his situations.

The fact that we have this discussion after drafting him #3, after swinging and missing on KP with the #4 is truly a buzz kill. If you walk out of two top 3/4 picks with no franchise player, that really sucks.

This is a bad franchise. Not only do they have no luck but they always pick the wrong player

I remember saying Ja will be the best player in that draft, over zion and RJ. I’m wondering if Ivey is that player in this draft. Someone we will all look back on and say, why didn’t Rose sale the farm to move up”.

Hindsight always 2020

RJ may or may not be a franchise player, but he’s a talented nba player and we need to draft more talent. Obtaining a franchise player is not easy (gotta get lucky) but more talent is always needed.

I don't think Ivey is on the same level as Ja was, prospect wise. Right now, Ivey looks like John Wall without the passing and he will need time. I do think Banchero fits the description though. I think teams will regret taking Jabari or Chet over him. As an aside, was it Texas where you played pickup with Mitch Robinson? The KFS podcast had Dallas sports radio host and former Mets pitcher, , Mike Bacsik on he said the Mavs were one of the teams Mitch wouldn't mind going to.

I don’t think Banchero is a good enough shooter plus his athleticism and size was how he dominated college. He’s not going to have those advantages in the nba playing against grown men who have the same size/strength combo. Similar thing happened to Zion

Naw, Zion had historic numbers when he played. I can't think of anyone who has Zion's size, strength, speed combo in the NBA. He's not playing because he crushes a lot...of Mount Dews, Pizza pies, burgers...Banchero is big and is really skilled. He is absolutely killer shooting in the midrange, can be the initiator or finisher in the PnR, can score in the post, face up and drive. The three point shot mechanics aren't broken, his shot selection just needs to be tempered.

Even when Zion has played he hasn’t been that good. Yes he fills box scores because he camps in the paint and grabs rebounds and put backs but the hornets one can argue have been better when he hasn’t played

You have to be careful evaluating guys like Banchero who are just way bigger and faster than the undersized toothpicks they play against in college. He was also mediocre % from 3 last year. He will be a solid player but not this generational phenom people are saying he is

yeah bro... Zion's trash. WTF are you watching?

still chugging ESPN kool aid from 4 years ago

Zion played 61 out of 72 games on the shortend season that was 2020-21. Fact
He avged 33 min per game, 27pts and 3.7 assists. They moved him to point forward and he was unstoppable. Not camped out. Avg 7 rebs also.. Fact

In games he did not play the Pels were 2-9. Fact.
PHil, stop insulting us with your stupidity.

When presented with facts. You deflect like a preteen.

Zion can’t stay on the floor and hasn’t been that great when he has played. Yay, he can fill a box score. The Pelicans are 5 games below .500 when Zion plays. If he was this combination Charles Barkley and Lebron James they would have won more games

Philc1 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

blkexec wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

Panos wrote:

martin wrote:

Knixkik wrote:His lack of efficiency has been based on his situation. I can only imagine him in the Wiggins role in GS or playing in Memphis. He would have a much different rep.

Was his situation Below Average Volume Shooting?

He lacks touch around the rim.

He lacks feel for the mid range; he has got to do something with that push shot.

He runs hot and cold from the arc.

Those are his situations.

The fact that we have this discussion after drafting him #3, after swinging and missing on KP with the #4 is truly a buzz kill. If you walk out of two top 3/4 picks with no franchise player, that really sucks.

This is a bad franchise. Not only do they have no luck but they always pick the wrong player

I remember saying Ja will be the best player in that draft, over zion and RJ. I’m wondering if Ivey is that player in this draft. Someone we will all look back on and say, why didn’t Rose sale the farm to move up”.

Hindsight always 2020

RJ may or may not be a franchise player, but he’s a talented nba player and we need to draft more talent. Obtaining a franchise player is not easy (gotta get lucky) but more talent is always needed.

I don't think Ivey is on the same level as Ja was, prospect wise. Right now, Ivey looks like John Wall without the passing and he will need time. I do think Banchero fits the description though. I think teams will regret taking Jabari or Chet over him. As an aside, was it Texas where you played pickup with Mitch Robinson? The KFS podcast had Dallas sports radio host and former Mets pitcher, , Mike Bacsik on he said the Mavs were one of the teams Mitch wouldn't mind going to.

I don’t think Banchero is a good enough shooter plus his athleticism and size was how he dominated college. He’s not going to have those advantages in the nba playing against grown men who have the same size/strength combo. Similar thing happened to Zion

Naw, Zion had historic numbers when he played. I can't think of anyone who has Zion's size, strength, speed combo in the NBA. He's not playing because he crushes a lot...of Mount Dews, Pizza pies, burgers...Banchero is big and is really skilled. He is absolutely killer shooting in the midrange, can be the initiator or finisher in the PnR, can score in the post, face up and drive. The three point shot mechanics aren't broken, his shot selection just needs to be tempered.

Even when Zion has played he hasn’t been that good. Yes he fills box scores because he camps in the paint and grabs rebounds and put backs but the hornets one can argue have been better when he hasn’t played

You have to be careful evaluating guys like Banchero who are just way bigger and faster than the undersized toothpicks they play against in college. He was also mediocre % from 3 last year. He will be a solid player but not this generational phenom people are saying he is

yeah bro... Zion's trash. WTF are you watching?

still chugging ESPN kool aid from 4 years ago

Zion played 61 out of 72 games on the shortend season that was 2020-21. Fact
He avged 33 min per game, 27pts and 3.7 assists. They moved him to point forward and he was unstoppable. Not camped out. Avg 7 rebs also.. Fact

In games he did not play the Pels were 2-9. Fact.
PHil, stop insulting us with your stupidity.

When presented with facts. You deflect like a preteen.

Zion can’t stay on the floor and hasn’t been that great when he has played. Yay, he can fill a box score. The Pelicans are 5 games below .500 when Zion plays. If he was this combination Charles Barkley and Lebron James they would have won more games

He cannot stay on the floor, but he was quite effective in his 85 games. I don’t think I would just disregard Zion on a health basis. It’s clear he needs a personal trainer to give his career longevity, but the guys is basically a point forward that scores with an eFG of 61% that’s astronomical for a ball handler that isn’t just dumping put backs.

The heliocentric offense around him certainly padded his stats, the same way 2020 padded Randle and 2021-22 padded RJ. But when I see returns of 61% on eFG, we’ll, that’s something to build around.

Philc1 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

blkexec wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

Panos wrote:

martin wrote:

Knixkik wrote:His lack of efficiency has been based on his situation. I can only imagine him in the Wiggins role in GS or playing in Memphis. He would have a much different rep.

Was his situation Below Average Volume Shooting?

He lacks touch around the rim.

He lacks feel for the mid range; he has got to do something with that push shot.

He runs hot and cold from the arc.

Those are his situations.

The fact that we have this discussion after drafting him #3, after swinging and missing on KP with the #4 is truly a buzz kill. If you walk out of two top 3/4 picks with no franchise player, that really sucks.

This is a bad franchise. Not only do they have no luck but they always pick the wrong player

I remember saying Ja will be the best player in that draft, over zion and RJ. I’m wondering if Ivey is that player in this draft. Someone we will all look back on and say, why didn’t Rose sale the farm to move up”.

Hindsight always 2020

RJ may or may not be a franchise player, but he’s a talented nba player and we need to draft more talent. Obtaining a franchise player is not easy (gotta get lucky) but more talent is always needed.

I don't think Ivey is on the same level as Ja was, prospect wise. Right now, Ivey looks like John Wall without the passing and he will need time. I do think Banchero fits the description though. I think teams will regret taking Jabari or Chet over him. As an aside, was it Texas where you played pickup with Mitch Robinson? The KFS podcast had Dallas sports radio host and former Mets pitcher, , Mike Bacsik on he said the Mavs were one of the teams Mitch wouldn't mind going to.

I don’t think Banchero is a good enough shooter plus his athleticism and size was how he dominated college. He’s not going to have those advantages in the nba playing against grown men who have the same size/strength combo. Similar thing happened to Zion

Naw, Zion had historic numbers when he played. I can't think of anyone who has Zion's size, strength, speed combo in the NBA. He's not playing because he crushes a lot...of Mount Dews, Pizza pies, burgers...Banchero is big and is really skilled. He is absolutely killer shooting in the midrange, can be the initiator or finisher in the PnR, can score in the post, face up and drive. The three point shot mechanics aren't broken, his shot selection just needs to be tempered.

Even when Zion has played he hasn’t been that good. Yes he fills box scores because he camps in the paint and grabs rebounds and put backs but the hornets one can argue have been better when he hasn’t played

You have to be careful evaluating guys like Banchero who are just way bigger and faster than the undersized toothpicks they play against in college. He was also mediocre % from 3 last year. He will be a solid player but not this generational phenom people are saying he is

yeah bro... Zion's trash. WTF are you watching?

still chugging ESPN kool aid from 4 years ago

Zion played 61 out of 72 games on the shortend season that was 2020-21. Fact
He avged 33 min per game, 27pts and 3.7 assists. They moved him to point forward and he was unstoppable. Not camped out. Avg 7 rebs also.. Fact

In games he did not play the Pels were 2-9. Fact.
PHil, stop insulting us with your stupidity.

When presented with facts. You deflect like a preteen.

Zion can’t stay on the floor and hasn’t been that great when he has played. Yay, he can fill a box score. The Pelicans are 5 games below .500 when Zion plays. If he was this combination Charles Barkley and Lebron James they would have won more games

You did the Bancharo thing to start your thin one liner comment. lets not get too far off track.
Nobody argues Zion can’t stay on the floor. We understand your inability to debate effectively and prefer to find some thread to feel as if you won an argument.

Zion is a beast on the court. Its a team game. One player alone does not carry a team very long. He can’t stay on the floor, and he went to Duke. WTF does that have to do with Bancharo?
The kid is 6-10 adn like 260 at 19 years old and you don’t think that can translate to NBA yet He likely goes top 3. Its ok to not agree but your logic is not right because you don’t talk about his game in any detail. You just made a link to another player and you think he won’t improve or get stronger.

Being a Duke player mostly gives the players a high floor - even recent busts seem capable of having 10 year careers if they want to keep going: See Shelden Williams; Justise Winslow; Marvin Bagley; Austin Rivers. Cam Reddish (ha!).

I don't think it's fair to expect him to be a consistent 35-40% 3pt shooter. He's basically a player that learned how to shoot while in the NBA. I think his perimeter shooting will come and go from season to season, and that's okay. He's not a natural shooter - but he is a scorer and he finds ways to get points. He'll be one of those guys that gets his points in different ways from game to game.

I think a good best case projecting would be a player like Lebron James (ha!).
Career 34.6% from 3. 29% as a rookie to a high 41% midway through his career; 36% this past season. (RJ is currently .357 for his career)
73% from the FT line. Low of 67% in a recent season, peaking at 78%. (RJ is currently .697 for his career)

Where RJ really has significant room for improvement is his 2pt%/finishing - I think this is where he has the opportunity to make great strides. He can do it himself by working on his post up game and finishing better; his coach could do a better job on clearing things out for him in isolation; the team can install a center that can shoot a little for better spacing.

Lebron shot ~48% from 2pt range over his first 3 seasons, then has regularly made ~55% since, and ~60% over the last decade of his career. Lebron is a force of a nature and is a complete freak in that regard. I think RJ more reasonably can target something along the lines of Kobe Bryant or Paul Pierce's career .478 from 2pt range. (RJ is currently .442 for his career)

martin wrote:

Knixkik wrote:His lack of efficiency has been based on his situation. I can only imagine him in the Wiggins role in GS or playing in Memphis. He would have a much different rep.

Was his situation Below Average Volume Shooting?

He lacks touch around the rim.

He lacks feel for the mid range; he has got to do something with that push shot.

He runs hot and cold from the arc.

Those are his situations.

good assessment.. RJ May be more of the offensive person when he's on, where Wiggins G.S role he was perhaps 2nd best Warrior defender but Wiggins has offense too.
Wiggins been in league? a tad bit more than RJ correct ?

DJMUSIC wrote:

martin wrote:

Knixkik wrote:His lack of efficiency has been based on his situation. I can only imagine him in the Wiggins role in GS or playing in Memphis. He would have a much different rep.

Was his situation Below Average Volume Shooting?

He lacks touch around the rim.

He lacks feel for the mid range; he has got to do something with that push shot.

He runs hot and cold from the arc.

Those are his situations.

good assessment.. RJ May be more of the offensive person when he's on, where Wiggins G.S role he was perhaps 2nd best Warrior defender but Wiggins has offense too.
Wiggins been in league? a tad bit more than RJ correct ?

Wiggins is 27. Both are canadian. Maybe too nice? LOL?

technomaster wrote:Being a Duke player mostly gives the players a high floor - even recent busts seem capable of having 10 year careers if they want to keep going: See Shelden Williams; Justise Winslow; Marvin Bagley; Austin Rivers. Cam Reddish (ha!).

I don't think it's fair to expect him to be a consistent 35-40% 3pt shooter. He's basically a player that learned how to shoot while in the NBA. I think his perimeter shooting will come and go from season to season, and that's okay. He's not a natural shooter - but he is a scorer and he finds ways to get points. He'll be one of those guys that gets his points in different ways from game to game.

I think a good best case projecting would be a player like Lebron James (ha!).
Career 34.6% from 3. 29% as a rookie to a high 41% midway through his career; 36% this past season. (RJ is currently .357 for his career)
73% from the FT line. Low of 67% in a recent season, peaking at 78%. (RJ is currently .697 for his career)

Where RJ really has significant room for improvement is his 2pt%/finishing - I think this is where he has the opportunity to make great strides. He can do it himself by working on his post up game and finishing better; his coach could do a better job on clearing things out for him in isolation; the team can install a center that can shoot a little for better spacing.

Lebron shot ~48% from 2pt range over his first 3 seasons, then has regularly made ~55% since, and ~60% over the last decade of his career. Lebron is a force of a nature and is a complete freak in that regard. I think RJ more reasonably can target something along the lines of Kobe Bryant or Paul Pierce's career .478 from 2pt range. (RJ is currently .442 for his career)

The biggest thing with RJ is for a significant stretch of games last year he seemed to get a lot quicker. That slashing move to the basket where he goes left is his bread and butter and when he was doing that with increased speed he was literally unstoppable. That’s when he had 46 against the Heat

Players don’t suddenly get faster. Maybe something happened like Randle decided to clear out the lane instead of camping 6 ft from the basket like he normally does when he isn’t dribbling up the length of the court

Kemet wrote:

gradyandrew wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:

gradyandrew wrote:I think RJs play over the last 3rd of the season was enough to convince the Knicks to keep him long term. I don't think RJ will be a top ten player in the league but I think he will be a top 50 guy. His salary cap hold for next off season is 38 million. He won't get that but if the Knicks try to play the RFA route, I'm not sure it will bring considerable savings. Randle's deal also sets a cap on what RJ should get. It's hard to argue he's much more valuable than Randle.

If Knicks sign Robinson to an Evan Fournier type contract, the Knicks will have about 110 million in salary going into FA next offseason. With a semi spike in the cap from a new CBA, they could potentially have enough to be players in FA.

I’ve put a number of posts up about giving RJ his shot to be the center of the offense. He has gotten that shot for half a season and the returns aren’t that amazing. Ignoring the “money stats” for the deeper dive into eFG in particular, he is among the highest volume shooters with the lowest efficiency. In perspective, the criticism of ISO-Melo was his low FG% and likewise low eFG. I use Wiggins as my model of a fringe player that got a large contract that resulted in multiple teams trading him - sometimes adding picks for the luxury. Wiggins had an eFG of .548 compared to Barrett’s .466. It took Wiggins most of his contract to earn out on that contract.

I want to believe that RJ will continue to develop and I do believe he will be a productive player in this league. But after seeing his inability to convert at the rim which seems to come from a lack of athleticism and an unwillingness to find open teammates, I am questioning whether giving him money is another Wiggins contract.

As we watch Wiggins in the finals, it doesn’t seem so bad. But on the other hand, TWolves gave up a lotto pick to get DLo for him even though positional scarcity called it a fair trade straight up.

I worry that paying Barrett will cost us a draft pick to move later.

Simple solution for both Barrett and Randle is to improve eFG. Just take more efficient shots. Might be time to actually implement an offense.

Agree with everything you say. Is he good or has he been benefitting from a lots of shots and ample play time? The advanced stats in particular hate him. The eye test tells a different story. Whether last season as a corner 3 sniper or this season getting to the rim, he looks really good.

My feeling a month ago was that NY should go all in for Lillard.Nothing has really changed that view but it seems increasingly unlikely- a lot of talk about Portland trying to rebuild around Dame and his presence at the draft says a lot. I think getting an all NBA player would let everyone else get better shots. No one is scheming to stop Burks.

The main reason I'm for extending RJ is just for stability. I think if an extension gets done for a Randle sized -contract, then the Knicks have a higher floor going forward.

I see no one mention Barrett becoming an All-Star player in the future, or Barrett's performance as a guard, or at the SF. This past season Burks needed lots of help from Fournier & Barrett in the back court which he never receive.
Wiggins has always been getting paid twice what his performance been worth in his NBA career.
Giving Barrett over 90M contract will be the same as Wiggins.
When Poole was in the same draft-class as Barrett, and Poole showed team leadership throughout his 3rd season performing well on court at multi position on both sides of the court.
Poole's 76 game performance in the back court this past season having injury to SG Klay at the start of the season, then an injury PG Curry during the season was off the chart. We know what position combo-guard Poole play. Barrett's individual performance couldn't touch Poole's performance having a 10 foot pole.

IF the Knicks have to play Quickley at the PG position next season .. Who will the Knicks have at the SG position? Barrett & Fournier & Burks are no help at the SG position, especially on defense. 2nd season SG-Grimes are good on the defensive end, but Grimes has no offense creativeness to score.

I think my issue is that I didn’t see any strong progression from giving Barrett more volume. There was no increase in stats that aren’t directly attributable to more shots. By eFG logic, they should just give the ball to Fournier and let him shoot. And maybe last season was more about getting Barrett comfortable with the ball in his hands. Maybe this year with a training camp to implement an offense around Barrett will help with the assists and spread the floor. Maybe Randle will rub an effect PNR/PNP with Barrett.

My issue is it is a lot of maybes for a depreciating asset. Restricted free agency may bail the Knicks out on overpaying. And maybe that is an answer. I worry that his value a player and a trading chip will not be higher at the end of the season than it is now.

I can re-state all the things I like about Barrett and if he comes out shooting 37% from 3, 73% from FT and 47% from the field with 5+ assists, I will retract all comments and buy my girls pink Barrett jerseys.

For me, it seems more likely that a player like Sharpe will do that then Barrett.