Knicks · Maybe shop around our Mitchell offer to another team.. (page 3)
Agree with those who would like to see if Fournier can increase his trade value, in case a better option, might be available. Dont see the harm of waiting until the first trade deadline. It usually takes a month or two for vets to get their game going.
See what happens. Might have to give up fewer pick(s) in compensation.
The Knicks did not need a 6.1 SG Donovan Mitchell added to the roster !!!
The Knicks weakest position throughout last season were at the PG position and the SF position.
Adding PG Brunson to the roster in the offseason was a decent move, but it only means the 2nd season PG McBride will have to receive playing time in the upcoming season.
At the SF spot RJ Barrett stink, stunk, was awful from the start to the end of the season.
RJ Barrett's performance at the SF spot did not match up to 30% of the great 2-Way performance the Knicks got from Bullocks.
And no one is sure what the Knicks will get from Cam Reddish at the SF spot in the upcoming season.
And the 6.4 Grimes is a 2nd season RAW SG having no NBA skills to be a part of a 3 guard offense/defense yet.
Knixkik wrote:SGA or Anunoby are the 2 obvious players. But Toronto will want more win-now pieces so we may not be a good trade partner. SGA makes a lot of sense on paper. Not as good as Mitchell but better defensively and a better fit, but the cost will be the same as with Mitchell. Unfortunately the cost Dejounte Murray was to Atlanta feels like the price the Knicks front office wants to pay for a star. Maybe missed the boat there since they weren’t interested in paying the premium for a player of Mitchell’s caliber. So it’s either hope the price for SGA isn’t outrageous (Knicks just made a trade with OKC so maybe they are a better negotiating fit than utah) or wait things out until next year and see what shakes out elsewhere.
I am going to keep throwing this out there but a third option is wait to see if the Wizards implode and if they do maybe the Knicks can grab Kyle Kuzma at a rebate price. He has a player option this year and wants to get paid meanwhile Beal and KP combined earn $82 Mil next year. That is more than Randle, RJ, and Brunson combined. The Knicks might be willing to pay Kuzma around 20 because that was basically Fournier’s contract anyhow. Flipside if the wizard’s pay Kuzma they might slip into the luxury tax next year and would also deny them the ability to have max cap room in 2024.
Kuzma is a large combo forward, not the most efficient last year when the Wizards did not have a PG. Kuzma isn’t a 3 pt sniper but he can hit those shots and has a bit of a clutch gene on hitting threes in pressure situations. Plus he is a CAA client, and has played with Randle before on the Lakers so him joining shouldn’t upset Randle’s delicate sensibilities.
The cost should be relatively affordable too and might only cost a few of those highly protected future first and Fournier.
Brunson/IQ/Rose
Barrett/Grimes/Rose
Kuzma/Reddish
Randle/Toppin
Mitch/IHart
I think the role as 4th option starter fits his game better than Fournier who due to how good he is on ball but bad defensively has the fans and the media asking that he be sent to the bench. Kuzma has an overall game and can create for himself but would likely benefit from having a PG. Here is Kuzma’s stats v. Jerami Grants.
Grant: 19.2 pts on 14.9 fga, .491 eFG%, 4.1 reb, 2.4 ast, 0.9 stl, 1.0 blk, 1.8 tov
(advanced:) .556 TS%, .363 3PAr, .371 FTr, 12.4 reb%, 12.5 ast%, 25.7 usg%, 2.3 ws)
Kuzma: 17.1 pts on 14.2 fga, .520 eFG%, 8.5 reb, 3.5 ast, 0.6 stl, 0.9 blk, 2.6 tov
(advanced:) .547 TS%, .401 3PAr, .234 FTr, 24.3 reb%, 16.3 ast%, 24.2 usg%, 2.0 ws)
NYKBocker wrote:The only move I want the Knicks to make is to move randle.
We might have a better chance of trading for Giannis
Kemet wrote:The Knicks strongest position on the court in the previous season were at the SG position having Fournier, Quickley, Burks, and rookie Grimes.
The Knicks did not need a 6.1 SG Donovan Mitchell added to the roster !!!
The Knicks weakest position throughout last season were at the PG position and the SF position.
Adding PG Brunson to the roster in the offseason was a decent move, but it only means the 2nd season PG McBride will have to receive playing time in the upcoming season.
At the SF spot RJ Barrett stink, stunk, was awful from the start to the end of the season.
RJ Barrett's performance at the SF spot did not match up to 30% of the great 2-Way performance the Knicks got from Bullocks.
And no one is sure what the Knicks will get from Cam Reddish at the SF spot in the upcoming season.
And the 6.4 Grimes is a 2nd season RAW SG having no NBA skills to be a part of a 3 guard offense/defense yet.
Agreed. I think Grimes emerges next season and IQ plays even better now that he no longer has to play point guard he can focus on being an off the bench instant offense 2
I hope RJ gets more run at PF. Probably only way to save next season from being a debacle
Philc1 wrote:Kemet wrote:The Knicks strongest position on the court in the previous season were at the SG position having Fournier, Quickley, Burks, and rookie Grimes.
The Knicks did not need a 6.1 SG Donovan Mitchell added to the roster !!!
The Knicks weakest position throughout last season were at the PG position and the SF position.
Adding PG Brunson to the roster in the offseason was a decent move, but it only means the 2nd season PG McBride will have to receive playing time in the upcoming season.
At the SF spot RJ Barrett stink, stunk, was awful from the start to the end of the season.
RJ Barrett's performance at the SF spot did not match up to 30% of the great 2-Way performance the Knicks got from Bullocks.
And no one is sure what the Knicks will get from Cam Reddish at the SF spot in the upcoming season.
And the 6.4 Grimes is a 2nd season RAW SG having no NBA skills to be a part of a 3 guard offense/defense yet.Agreed. I think Grimes emerges next season and IQ plays even better now that he no longer has to play point guard he can focus on being an off the bench instant offense 2
I hope RJ gets more run at PF. Probably only way to save next season from being a debacle
PF ? Really? Seems kind of odd
ramtour420 wrote:Philc1 wrote:Kemet wrote:The Knicks strongest position on the court in the previous season were at the SG position having Fournier, Quickley, Burks, and rookie Grimes.
The Knicks did not need a 6.1 SG Donovan Mitchell added to the roster !!!
The Knicks weakest position throughout last season were at the PG position and the SF position.
Adding PG Brunson to the roster in the offseason was a decent move, but it only means the 2nd season PG McBride will have to receive playing time in the upcoming season.
At the SF spot RJ Barrett stink, stunk, was awful from the start to the end of the season.
RJ Barrett's performance at the SF spot did not match up to 30% of the great 2-Way performance the Knicks got from Bullocks.
And no one is sure what the Knicks will get from Cam Reddish at the SF spot in the upcoming season.
And the 6.4 Grimes is a 2nd season RAW SG having no NBA skills to be a part of a 3 guard offense/defense yet.Agreed. I think Grimes emerges next season and IQ plays even better now that he no longer has to play point guard he can focus on being an off the bench instant offense 2
I hope RJ gets more run at PF. Probably only way to save next season from being a debacle
PF ? Really? Seems kind of odd
Not in today’s nba.
ramtour420 wrote:Philc1 wrote:Kemet wrote:The Knicks strongest position on the court in the previous season were at the SG position having Fournier, Quickley, Burks, and rookie Grimes.
The Knicks did not need a 6.1 SG Donovan Mitchell added to the roster !!!
The Knicks weakest position throughout last season were at the PG position and the SF position.
Adding PG Brunson to the roster in the offseason was a decent move, but it only means the 2nd season PG McBride will have to receive playing time in the upcoming season.
At the SF spot RJ Barrett stink, stunk, was awful from the start to the end of the season.
RJ Barrett's performance at the SF spot did not match up to 30% of the great 2-Way performance the Knicks got from Bullocks.
And no one is sure what the Knicks will get from Cam Reddish at the SF spot in the upcoming season.
And the 6.4 Grimes is a 2nd season RAW SG having no NBA skills to be a part of a 3 guard offense/defense yet.Agreed. I think Grimes emerges next season and IQ plays even better now that he no longer has to play point guard he can focus on being an off the bench instant offense 2
I hope RJ gets more run at PF. Probably only way to save next season from being a debacle
PF ? Really? Seems kind of odd
Don't you want to save next season from being a debacle?
Probably the only way!!!!! That's it. Simple. Trade Randle for Water vapor. Cuz in la la land you click your heals and trade a guy with 100 mil left AND a trade Kicker!!!
That 15mil? That's sticks with us. Don't let pesky details stand in the way of clairvoyance!
A PhilC classic.
More news from the trade world......I Westbrook has his house on the market.
Rumors love this shit. Reality is he might own some other properties too in the area? Melo and Marbles kept places there when they in NY.
Weird to think he gets 47mil to sit.
Nalod wrote:ramtour420 wrote:Philc1 wrote:Kemet wrote:The Knicks strongest position on the court in the previous season were at the SG position having Fournier, Quickley, Burks, and rookie Grimes.
The Knicks did not need a 6.1 SG Donovan Mitchell added to the roster !!!
The Knicks weakest position throughout last season were at the PG position and the SF position.
Adding PG Brunson to the roster in the offseason was a decent move, but it only means the 2nd season PG McBride will have to receive playing time in the upcoming season.
At the SF spot RJ Barrett stink, stunk, was awful from the start to the end of the season.
RJ Barrett's performance at the SF spot did not match up to 30% of the great 2-Way performance the Knicks got from Bullocks.
And no one is sure what the Knicks will get from Cam Reddish at the SF spot in the upcoming season.
And the 6.4 Grimes is a 2nd season RAW SG having no NBA skills to be a part of a 3 guard offense/defense yet.Agreed. I think Grimes emerges next season and IQ plays even better now that he no longer has to play point guard he can focus on being an off the bench instant offense 2
I hope RJ gets more run at PF. Probably only way to save next season from being a debacle
PF ? Really? Seems kind of oddDon't you want to save next season from being a debacle?
Probably the only way!!!!! That's it. Simple. Trade Randle for Water vapor. Cuz in la la land you click your heals and trade a guy with 100 mil left AND a trade Kicker!!!
That 15mil? That's sticks with us. Don't let pesky details stand in the way of clairvoyance!
A PhilC classic.More news from the trade world......I Westbrook has his house on the market.
Rumors love this shit. Reality is he might own some other properties too in the area? Melo and Marbles kept places there when they in NY.
Weird to think he gets 47mil to sit.
More stream of consciousness nonsense. How many unprotected firsts you think we can get for Randle?
Philc1 wrote:Nalod wrote:ramtour420 wrote:Philc1 wrote:Kemet wrote:The Knicks strongest position on the court in the previous season were at the SG position having Fournier, Quickley, Burks, and rookie Grimes.
The Knicks did not need a 6.1 SG Donovan Mitchell added to the roster !!!
The Knicks weakest position throughout last season were at the PG position and the SF position.
Adding PG Brunson to the roster in the offseason was a decent move, but it only means the 2nd season PG McBride will have to receive playing time in the upcoming season.
At the SF spot RJ Barrett stink, stunk, was awful from the start to the end of the season.
RJ Barrett's performance at the SF spot did not match up to 30% of the great 2-Way performance the Knicks got from Bullocks.
And no one is sure what the Knicks will get from Cam Reddish at the SF spot in the upcoming season.
And the 6.4 Grimes is a 2nd season RAW SG having no NBA skills to be a part of a 3 guard offense/defense yet.Agreed. I think Grimes emerges next season and IQ plays even better now that he no longer has to play point guard he can focus on being an off the bench instant offense 2
I hope RJ gets more run at PF. Probably only way to save next season from being a debacle
PF ? Really? Seems kind of oddDon't you want to save next season from being a debacle?
Probably the only way!!!!! That's it. Simple. Trade Randle for Water vapor. Cuz in la la land you click your heals and trade a guy with 100 mil left AND a trade Kicker!!!
That 15mil? That's sticks with us. Don't let pesky details stand in the way of clairvoyance!
A PhilC classic.More news from the trade world......I Westbrook has his house on the market.
Rumors love this shit. Reality is he might own some other properties too in the area? Melo and Marbles kept places there when they in NY.
Weird to think he gets 47mil to sit.More stream of consciousness nonsense. How many unprotected firsts you think we can get for Randle?
You need a team that can absorb his contract. Then pay 15mil. Then your talking about compensation.
I understand your simple take to trade him for a lump of coal and not have to think about the math.
Meanwhile the rest of the forum usually speaks with some relevance to it.
Philc1 wrote:Damian Lillard will be available next February and probably before that. Not saying give them the Mitchell offer but a couple picks plus Fournier and Obi might get it done
Your still 15million off on the math.
Nalod wrote:Philc1 wrote:Damian Lillard will be available next February and probably before that. Not saying give them the Mitchell offer but a couple picks plus Fournier and Obi might get it doneYour still 15million off on the math.
Math aside (throwing Julius Randle in the package would make it work), Lilliard has likely fallen off a cliff if he is available for that package. He had a down year last season. It's possible it was due to his shoulder injury and he bounces back. But if be Leary if Portland starts shopping around for a package like that. And the same questions with fit exist with Dame. He's arguable as bad a defender as Spida and he has less length. Also, how many years of star level production do you realistically expect Dame to provide. I'd consider it if the Knicks were knocking at the door of contention. But this roster is a ways away from reaching that point.
Philc1 wrote:Damian Lillard will be available next February and probably before that. Not saying give them the Mitchell offer but a couple picks plus Fournier and Obi might get it done
Please explain how bringing in Dame and getting rid of Obi, EF, Picks and Randle (based on you constantly whining here to get rid of him for a bag of rocks) works from a roster perspective.
This is what knicks fan do. See a “Star” and how do we get him..
foosballnick wrote:Philc1 wrote:Damian Lillard will be available next February and probably before that. Not saying give them the Mitchell offer but a couple picks plus Fournier and Obi might get it donePlease explain how bringing in Dame and getting rid of Obi, EF, Picks and Randle (based on you constantly whining here to get rid of him for a bag of rocks) works from a roster perspective.
If Portland breaks down their roster I think the Knicks try to scoop up Jerami Grant for cheap.
foosballnick wrote:Philc1 wrote:Damian Lillard will be available next February and probably before that. Not saying give them the Mitchell offer but a couple picks plus Fournier and Obi might get it donePlease explain how bringing in Dame and getting rid of Obi, EF, Picks and Randle (based on you constantly whining here to get rid of him for a bag of rocks) works from a roster perspective.
Im a huge Lillard fan. But the main concern I had with the Mitchell trade was a potential backcourt with two ball dominant guards. Seems like a another case of overlap.
foosballnick wrote:Philc1 wrote:Damian Lillard will be available next February and probably before that. Not saying give them the Mitchell offer but a couple picks plus Fournier and Obi might get it donePlease explain how bringing in Dame and getting rid of Obi, EF, Picks and Randle (based on you constantly whining here to get rid of him for a bag of rocks) works from a roster perspective.
For the same reason bringing Mitchell would. We’d have an actual volume scorer at the 2 guard instead of more 30% from 3 brick city garbage
GustavBahler wrote:foosballnick wrote:Philc1 wrote:Damian Lillard will be available next February and probably before that. Not saying give them the Mitchell offer but a couple picks plus Fournier and Obi might get it donePlease explain how bringing in Dame and getting rid of Obi, EF, Picks and Randle (based on you constantly whining here to get rid of him for a bag of rocks) works from a roster perspective.
Im a huge Lillard fan. But the main concern I had with the Mitchell trade was a potential backcourt with two ball dominant guards. Seems like a another case of overlap.
Worked fine with Lillard and CJ McCollum for several years and playoff appearances
Nalod wrote:Lilard had abdomional issues last season and they shut him down.
This is what knicks fan do. See a “Star” and how do we get him..
We could have Lillard for a fraction of what Mitchell would have cost. He was shut down because the blazers weren’t making the playoffs and the rest of the season was meaningless so why rush him back from surgery but maybe they should have simply signed Elf to be their point guard/pure shooter