Knicks · Commit to Grimes (page 2)

HofstraBBall wrote:

blkexec wrote:

smackeddog wrote:I do wonder if, putting aside emotion and upside, whether it makes more sense to try and hold on to Grimes and Cam rather than IQ and Obi in a D-Mitch trade, especially if we're not shipping out randle. Two versatile potential 3 and d players who probably fit better with PG, SG and PF clogged up by D-Mitch, Brunson and Randle. Grimes can play SG and SF, and Cam can switch between SG, SF and PF. Where as Obi is kind of limited to PF and capped out at 15 to 18mins due to coaching, and IQ is limited to backup PG and SG.

I was thinking the same thing. First I wanted to keep IQ and Obi. But with Randle on the team, obi is not getting much playing time. Same with IQ, with Brunson signing that massive contract, IQ will not see much playing time. And IQ is still a tweener in a 6 man build. I don't think he will ever shake that.

Grimes and Reddish fits the positionless NBA that we are starting to see on every team. We need more 2way players like them.

So I agree. The problem is Ainge prefers Grimes and he sees the same thing we see. So thats going to be difficult to sell. And if Grimes is the only player stopping us from getting DMitch, thats a tough pill to swallow for most fans. Depending on Grimes potential ceiling. He has the potential to be an All Star, but he's so far away from that, it's a stretch to even discuss it. I think a 3nD starter is a hard enough ceiling for him to reach, I rather see him reach that first.

This will be an interesting trade or non trade off season for Leon Rose. I hope we are not missing out on other trade opportunities, while dancing with Ainge.

Hoping we keep Grimes and IQ out of any trade. Do agree that if it means getting DM, we have to do it but it will hurt a bit. Cam has had chances to do what some think he can do but has been inconsistent and has only proven he can not shoot at a high click.

Still rank the "unproven" yoots as follows:

IQ
Grimes
Obi
Cam
Deuce
Roka
Keels

Still think IQ is our best prospect. Love Obi's energy but he is mostly a role player. Grimes does intrigue me and feel his skill level is up there with IQ. Only worry I have is that Grimes eye test approval may due to his age. If he was doing what he is doing as an 18 year old it would be much more impressive. Cam is in the maybe he can turn it around category. Other three are raw and who knows where they will end up.

You forgot Sims on your list. When he took off full court off the rebound this summer I thought I was seeing the next coming of Giannis. Really eye opening

ramtour420 wrote:I am ready to commit. Grimes is perfect. Him and Brunson are our "Process" backcourt. Pretty enticing, if you ask me. Now we just need to figure out our frontcourt and we are set. Small forward goes to RJ, Mitch is our starting center. Randle is the biggest question mark moving forward.

This reminds me of a posting and toasting poll from 22 months ago that asked: Who do you think can be an All Star for the next season?
RJ Barrett
Mitchell Robinson
Immanuel Quickly
Other

I've never been able to take that site seriously since and actually started posting here in frustration. I still think Randle is the best guy on the roster.

gradyandrew wrote:

ramtour420 wrote:I am ready to commit. Grimes is perfect. Him and Brunson are our "Process" backcourt. Pretty enticing, if you ask me. Now we just need to figure out our frontcourt and we are set. Small forward goes to RJ, Mitch is our starting center. Randle is the biggest question mark moving forward.

This reminds me of a posting and toasting poll from 22 months ago that asked: Who do you think can be an All Star for the next season?
RJ Barrett
Mitchell Robinson
Immanuel Quickly
Other

I've never been able to take that site seriously since and actually started posting here in frustration. I still think Randle is the best guy on the roster.

What is he best for? Apparently not the playoffs. Likely not the best for the future if the team either.

gradyandrew wrote:

ramtour420 wrote:I am ready to commit. Grimes is perfect. Him and Brunson are our "Process" backcourt. Pretty enticing, if you ask me. Now we just need to figure out our frontcourt and we are set. Small forward goes to RJ, Mitch is our starting center. Randle is the biggest question mark moving forward.

This reminds me of a posting and toasting poll from 22 months ago that asked: Who do you think can be an All Star for the next season?
RJ Barrett
Mitchell Robinson
Immanuel Quickly
Other

I've never been able to take that site seriously since and actually started posting here in frustration. I still think Randle is the best guy on the roster.

Going forward the cornserstone is RJ Barrett. All star? He needs some love from fans to get the votes. Randle needs good PR as well after he shushed the crowd. But if your asking about who plays to that level its easy to think Randle with Brunson handling the ball can benefit greatly and get easier shots. Same for EF. Randle need not be an allstar for the team to succeed. In fact a more efficient randle is best. More rebounds, offensive rebounds, and more “we here” sweetness. that was born from success. “STFU” was born from frustration of losing and team not performing.

Im not thinking about Randle and the ATL series. No mitch, Norlens banged up, Capella ran free to swarm Jules, Drose was cooked, and Elf was on the shelf. We are deeper now.
That ATL at the back end of that very strainge season was really quite good. Randle surged and now we demonize him for that playoff? That carries to the next season. He was frustrated, team was frustrating! Fact is we did not panic, so something stupid to correct it and we moved forward with Brunson. Kemba and his 2 year 18mm deal was not smart. EF did not elevate the team. Thibs played yoot more and developed them.
That was then.

Ideally with Brunson as starting PG. I wouldnt mind Grimes being the backup PG. Maybe developing into a solid backup like Patty Mills. Before the starting job became available.

Also filling in when Brunson is hurt. I see Quickley more as a backup SG, than PG. Unless that part of his game takes a big step forward. Plays looser when scoring off the bench is his main role.

GustavBahler wrote:Ideally with Brunson as starting PG. I wouldnt mind Grimes being the backup PG. Maybe developing into a solid backup like Patty Mills. Before the starting job became available.

Also filling in when Brunson is hurt. I see Quickley more as a backup SG, than PG. Unless that part of his game takes a big step forward. Plays looser when scoring off the bench is his main role.

Did you miss all of last season watching Grimes and IQ? Cause your post suggests you haven't watched either of them.

It's like that far off the mark

Sorry about your cheerios Martin, wasnt me. Watched almost every game. Have to be more precise about what you believe I got wrong.

martin wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Ideally with Brunson as starting PG. I wouldnt mind Grimes being the backup PG. Maybe developing into a solid backup like Patty Mills. Before the starting job became available.

Also filling in when Brunson is hurt. I see Quickley more as a backup SG, than PG. Unless that part of his game takes a big step forward. Plays looser when scoring off the bench is his main role.

Did you miss all of last season watching Grimes and IQ? Cause your post suggests you haven't watched either of them.

It's like that far off the mark

GustavBahler wrote:Sorry about your cheerios Martin, wasnt me. Watched almost every game. Have to be more precise about what you believe I got wrong.

martin wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Ideally with Brunson as starting PG. I wouldnt mind Grimes being the backup PG. Maybe developing into a solid backup like Patty Mills. Before the starting job became available.

Also filling in when Brunson is hurt. I see Quickley more as a backup SG, than PG. Unless that part of his game takes a big step forward. Plays looser when scoring off the bench is his main role.

Did you miss all of last season watching Grimes and IQ? Cause your post suggests you haven't watched either of them.

It's like that far off the mark

Grimes is clearly headed down a 3&D path with some passing capabilities. IQ is clearly going down a combo guard path and has made great strides learning PG responsibilities.

IQ was literally the backup PG last year. Grimes was literally the backup SG.

GustavBahler wrote:Sorry about your cheerios Martin, wasnt me. Watched almost every game. Have to be more precise about what you believe I got wrong.

martin wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Ideally with Brunson as starting PG. I wouldnt mind Grimes being the backup PG. Maybe developing into a solid backup like Patty Mills. Before the starting job became available.

Also filling in when Brunson is hurt. I see Quickley more as a backup SG, than PG. Unless that part of his game takes a big step forward. Plays looser when scoring off the bench is his main role.

Did you miss all of last season watching Grimes and IQ? Cause your post suggests you haven't watched either of them.

It's like that far off the mark

Much to do about IQ and his struggles early with the PG duties and adapting to rules reagarding creating contact on offense to draw fouls.
He worked thru them well thru the season and gained/earned Thibs trust.
Grimes playmaking is what he worked on with mixed results via this past summer league. I know he grows in stature daily on these pages. While his potential is vast, he is no PG with no history as one.

One quality you want to see in a PG, is an ability to get to the rim. Quickley's floater is a legit weapon. So is his 3, when he's on a roll. Grimes is a real threat at the rim. Quickley isnt there yet. Not enough to be considered a threat.

I see Grimes ability to guard quality PGs, his emerging 3pt ability, as a better candidate for backup PG than Quickley. IQ hasnt been shy about modeling his game after Lou Williams. Lou Williams, instant offense, off the bench. Thats how I see Quickley's role. Thats what got everyone's attention.

martin wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Sorry about your cheerios Martin, wasnt me. Watched almost every game. Have to be more precise about what you believe I got wrong.

martin wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Ideally with Brunson as starting PG. I wouldnt mind Grimes being the backup PG. Maybe developing into a solid backup like Patty Mills. Before the starting job became available.

Also filling in when Brunson is hurt. I see Quickley more as a backup SG, than PG. Unless that part of his game takes a big step forward. Plays looser when scoring off the bench is his main role.

Did you miss all of last season watching Grimes and IQ? Cause your post suggests you haven't watched either of them.

It's like that far off the mark

Grimes is clearly headed down a 3&D path with some passing capabilities. IQ is clearly going down a combo guard path and has made great strides learning PG responsibilities.

IQ was literally the backup PG last year. Grimes was literally the backup SG.