NYKBocker wrote:martin wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:I don't see Knicks trading Obi or Grimes in a Spida trade. They will move IQ due to his size not complimenting Brunson and Spida. They will move Reddish as well as probably McBride.They are looking for a front court rotation of
Mitch/Hart
Obi/Sims
When you look at skill sets they compliment each other. As long as Obi's 3pt shot continues to come along.
I've never thought about Sims and Hart playing together. Nice.
I was thinking about Sims at the 4 also. I think that is a good idea pairing him with Hart.
The problem with Sims at the 4 is you destroy your spacing on offense because he can’t shoot.
But then again neither can Obi1
Philc1 wrote:TLover wrote:If the Knicks trade both Toppin & Randle in rumored 3-way trade. Cam is already a better shooter than both and with today’s small ball NBA he should have no issue defending. A really young guy who is still filling out his body.
I’m 1000% with you on this. It’s really starting to look like we need to go with a smaller spacing and pacing lineup:
PG: Brunson
SG: Grimes/IQ
SF: RJ
PF: Reddish
C: Mitch
Obi CANNOT SHOOT. Randle is a ball hog black hole on offense whose shooting isn’t good enough to justify his crap. Go young, fast and athletic
If your main argument is that Obi cannot shoot as a PF and your replacement for him has an even lower eFG% without any real substance behind his 3pt%, let us say that that argument is less than stellar.
Add in rebounding and general court availability via health/injury, and then you really see things fall apart.
martin wrote:Philc1 wrote:TLover wrote:If the Knicks trade both Toppin & Randle in rumored 3-way trade. Cam is already a better shooter than both and with today’s small ball NBA he should have no issue defending. A really young guy who is still filling out his body.
I’m 1000% with you on this. It’s really starting to look like we need to go with a smaller spacing and pacing lineup:
PG: Brunson
SG: Grimes/IQ
SF: RJ
PF: Reddish
C: Mitch
Obi CANNOT SHOOT. Randle is a ball hog black hole on offense whose shooting isn’t good enough to justify his crap. Go young, fast and athletic
If your main argument is that Obi cannot shoot as a PF and your replacement for him has an even lower eFG% without any real substance behind his 3pt%, let us say that that argument is less than stellar.
Add in rebounding and general court availability via health/injury, and then you really see things fall apart.
Obi’s shot 30% from 3 as a pro. Reddish has shot 33% from 3 for his career. Obi can’t hit field goals unless he’s dunking
Philc1 wrote:martin wrote:Philc1 wrote:TLover wrote:If the Knicks trade both Toppin & Randle in rumored 3-way trade. Cam is already a better shooter than both and with today’s small ball NBA he should have no issue defending. A really young guy who is still filling out his body.
I’m 1000% with you on this. It’s really starting to look like we need to go with a smaller spacing and pacing lineup:
PG: Brunson
SG: Grimes/IQ
SF: RJ
PF: Reddish
C: Mitch
Obi CANNOT SHOOT. Randle is a ball hog black hole on offense whose shooting isn’t good enough to justify his crap. Go young, fast and athletic
If your main argument is that Obi cannot shoot as a PF and your replacement for him has an even lower eFG% without any real substance behind his 3pt%, let us say that that argument is less than stellar.
Add in rebounding and general court availability via health/injury, and then you really see things fall apart.
Obi’s shot 30% from 3 as a pro. Reddish has shot 33% from 3 for his career. Obi can’t hit field goals unless he’s dunking
PhilC, you just dunked on yourself harder than Obi has ever dunked a basketball and he a dunk champion.
There is no better self own.
And not for nothing but I have this image in my head every time you post, only in PhilC form
Marv wrote:Philc1 wrote:martin wrote:Philc1 wrote:TLover wrote:If the Knicks trade both Toppin & Randle in rumored 3-way trade. Cam is already a better shooter than both and with today’s small ball NBA he should have no issue defending. A really young guy who is still filling out his body.
I’m 1000% with you on this. It’s really starting to look like we need to go with a smaller spacing and pacing lineup:
PG: Brunson
SG: Grimes/IQ
SF: RJ
PF: Reddish
C: Mitch
Obi CANNOT SHOOT. Randle is a ball hog black hole on offense whose shooting isn’t good enough to justify his crap. Go young, fast and athletic
If your main argument is that Obi cannot shoot as a PF and your replacement for him has an even lower eFG% without any real substance behind his 3pt%, let us say that that argument is less than stellar.
Add in rebounding and general court availability via health/injury, and then you really see things fall apart.
Obi’s shot 30% from 3 as a pro. Reddish has shot 33% from 3 for his career. Obi can’t hit field goals unless he’s dunking
all this over .03?
Actually……LOL……
He has attempted all of 254 3’s in his brief career. Making 78 for a .307 avg. Redish attempted 560 with a .325. Or makes 1.4 per game avg vs obi making .07 per game. One can say its twice the amount but Reddish in his 3rd year and has played more when not injured.
We all know this idiocy is about Phil wanting Randle gone so any stat he can pull out if his ass but not check it works in his mind.
Why does Nalod care about this? Others read this and assume UK contributors desire accuracy. When an outlier lazy poster does not and another reads it he takes the info for granted its reasonable and might promote it. Then you have an issue were this place loses its cred. Most of the UK does things like say “I FEEL”, or “Its my opinion”. There we know were that comes from. Lazy ass phil one liners don’t. Thus, we have to call it out.
The thing about Reddish is that he needs to stay on the court. He has really good size and wingspan for a 3&D SF. He shoots 90% from the charity stripe which suggests he has the shooting form to be an above average 3 point shooter. From his performance at Duke, I was one of the people who thought his upside exceeded Barrett and perhaps then it was. But with nagging injuries he hasn’t really had the opportunity to show his game. I think the Knox + Charlotte pick swap for Reddish was a good trade - injury aside. I hope to have this year to test him out. But to move him from SF to PF is probably not his best self.
EwingsGlass wrote:The thing about Reddish is that he needs to stay on the court. He has really good size and wingspan for a 3&D SF. He shoots 90% from the charity stripe which suggests he has the shooting form to be an above average 3 point shooter. From his performance at Duke, I was one of the people who thought his upside exceeded Barrett and perhaps then it was. But with nagging injuries he hasn’t really had the opportunity to show his game. I think the Knox + Charlotte pick swap for Reddish was a good trade - injury aside. I hope to have this year to test him out. But to move him from SF to PF is probably not his best self.
I fully expect Reddish to be a rotation player this year. He has had really bad luck with injuries. I wouldn’t say he is injury prone though. He has had a healthy off season and I expect he will play and improve. A little bit of patience is going to be needed with this kid. He hasn’t really played since coming into the league and what little we did see was him needing to improve basic fundamentals of the game. The kid has the body, and the athleticism. Let’s hope he has the work ethic and good health. Reddish could be an X factor for this team….or a bust. The jury is not out yet
Rookie wrote:EwingsGlass wrote:The thing about Reddish is that he needs to stay on the court. He has really good size and wingspan for a 3&D SF. He shoots 90% from the charity stripe which suggests he has the shooting form to be an above average 3 point shooter. From his performance at Duke, I was one of the people who thought his upside exceeded Barrett and perhaps then it was. But with nagging injuries he hasn’t really had the opportunity to show his game. I think the Knox + Charlotte pick swap for Reddish was a good trade - injury aside. I hope to have this year to test him out. But to move him from SF to PF is probably not his best self.
I fully expect Reddish to be a rotation player this year. He has had really bad luck with injuries. I wouldn’t say he is injury prone though. He has had a healthy off season and I expect he will play and improve. A little bit of patience is going to be needed with this kid. He hasn’t really played since coming into the league and what little we did see was him needing to improve basic fundamentals of the game. The kid has the body, and the athleticism. Let’s hope he has the work ethic and good health. Reddish could be an X factor for this team….or a bust. The jury is not out yet
Reminds me a bit of Trevor Ariza with more polished Offensive game at similar age. Reezy had a good nose for the ball rebounding, steels and good effort on Defense. His shot came on later in his career.
Had a very good career at that! Cam came out with greater expectations at the 10th pick and the hype from Duke. Ariza was 2nd round from UCLA and more of a prospect.
He needs the consistency of good health and a steady role. Hope he can get it done here.
Philc1 wrote:martin wrote:Philc1 wrote:TLover wrote:If the Knicks trade both Toppin & Randle in rumored 3-way trade. Cam is already a better shooter than both and with today’s small ball NBA he should have no issue defending. A really young guy who is still filling out his body.
I’m 1000% with you on this. It’s really starting to look like we need to go with a smaller spacing and pacing lineup:
PG: Brunson
SG: Grimes/IQ
SF: RJ
PF: Reddish
C: Mitch
Obi CANNOT SHOOT. Randle is a ball hog black hole on offense whose shooting isn’t good enough to justify his crap. Go young, fast and athletic
If your main argument is that Obi cannot shoot as a PF and your replacement for him has an even lower eFG% without any real substance behind his 3pt%, let us say that that argument is less than stellar.
Add in rebounding and general court availability via health/injury, and then you really see things fall apart.
Obi’s shot 30% from 3 as a pro. Reddish has shot 33% from 3 for his career. Obi can’t hit field goals unless he’s dunking
I suggest we look deeper regarding his 3pt shot.
He shot 39% from 3 his second year at Dayton on 82 shots. His first season he shot 52% from 3 on a small sample size of 21 shots, but I'm mentioning it cause he hit them. Might as well throw it in there.
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/obadiah-toppin-1.html
So, let's look at this last year. And by the way, let's round last year's 3pt % to 31%, because it is 30.8%.
31% is not going to cut it, but if you compare his 1st and 2nd half stats you get that he shot 41% in the 2nd half (and an abysmal 24% in the first half.)
That is really worth mentioning because, obviously he was trending up. And it matches his last year at college numbers. Worth mentioning that he has great form on his shot and it wouldn't be crazy to think
he develops some creation on that shot with his athleticism. (Remember, he is a late bloomer across the board.)
If I'm another team and thinking of a trade involving Obi, you can be certain that I don't see him as a 31% 3pt shooter and neither should we.
I think it is very reasonable to see him shoot over 35% from 3pt. And I wouldn't be shocked, to see 39%, especially with a very very good pg now.
The tough part for me as an Obi supporter is I don't have much confidence when he shoots the outside three... it's usually a swish or an airball - not much in between. I've never seen a shooter with decent form look so hit or miss when he shoots wide open threes. Hopefully that will improve and maybe it's more of a confidence/rushing issue.
jskinny35 wrote:The tough part for me as an Obi supporter is I don't have much confidence when he shoots the outside three... it's usually a swish or an airball - not much in between. I've never seen a shooter with decent form look so hit or miss when he shoots wide open threes. Hopefully that will improve and maybe it's more of a confidence/rushing issue.
He shot 39% in college from 3 but then again that was against players who can’t make a G-league roster
Great kid, great story but stretch 4 will be the next big need for us by next November. You can’t have 2 PF’s laying brick every night while the Center can’t shoot at all. It wrecks our spacing
Have to admit I havent really considered how much of an impact Reddish will have next season. Wonder if he's working out with Barrett in the offseason? If I had to give Cam a grade last season it would be "incomplete". Not his fault, he didnt really have much of an opportunity to establish himself.
Players like Reddish and Hart could help this bench punch above its weight, so to speak. Make us a team no one wants to face in the first round. Even if we arent a high seed, because we have a deep bench. Knicks might take some time to get on the same page, with the new additions. With or without DM.
