Philc1 wrote:SupremeCommander wrote:i read this and get irritated that we traded for Cam Reddish. like WTF, why? a needlessly wasted pick
Not sure what happened there. Rose/Perry trading for a player Thibs clearly wanted nothing to do with. And it doesn’t reek of Isiah either. Cam isn’t a way past his prime name with a horrific contract
Wasn’t it a Charlotte 1st that we sent to Atlanta, then Atlanta sent to San Antonio as part of the Murray trade? What are the protections on that pick because it’s going to go top ten with the Bridges mess.
That Mavs pick keeps on giving
Rookie wrote:Philc1 wrote:SupremeCommander wrote:i read this and get irritated that we traded for Cam Reddish. like WTF, why? a needlessly wasted pick
Not sure what happened there. Rose/Perry trading for a player Thibs clearly wanted nothing to do with. And it doesn’t reek of Isiah either. Cam isn’t a way past his prime name with a horrific contract
Wasn’t it a Charlotte 1st that we sent to Atlanta, then Atlanta sent to San Antonio as part of the Murray trade? What are the protections on that pick because it’s going to go top ten with the Bridges mess.
That Mavs pick keeps on giving
2021 #19 pick from Dallas traded to Charlotte who took the mighty Kai Jones. We received Charlotte future pick then traded for Cam etc. etc. That pick did not convey this past draft. Next year top 16 protected, top 14 following year then conveys to second rounders. So best the pick could be at this point is #15 in 2024. Not going to get my knickers in a twist over that for the gamble on Reddish.
Our Bench lineup will not be the same .. Cam & Grimes does not have Burks experience, and Hart does not have Taj Gibson experience in a 82 game season !!!
Kemet wrote:Our Bench lineup will not be the same .. Cam & Grimes does not have Burks experience, and Hart does not have Taj Gibson experience in a 82 game season !!!
23yo, 22yo, 31 yo with broke foot, 24yo, 37 yo.
Do you feel it?
Rookie wrote:Philc1 wrote:SupremeCommander wrote:i read this and get irritated that we traded for Cam Reddish. like WTF, why? a needlessly wasted pick
Not sure what happened there. Rose/Perry trading for a player Thibs clearly wanted nothing to do with. And it doesn’t reek of Isiah either. Cam isn’t a way past his prime name with a horrific contract
Wasn’t it a Charlotte 1st that we sent to Atlanta, then Atlanta sent to San Antonio as part of the Murray trade? What are the protections on that pick because it’s going to go top ten with the Bridges mess.
That Mavs pick keeps on giving
The pick is top 16 protected in 2023, top 14 in 2024 and 2025 and then becomes two seconds in 2026 if it doesn’t vest by then
Our bench is very deep and thats gonna be a BIG problem for teams
I think its time to revive this thread.
While Brunson is out this is still true. When he was healthy, it was totally Brunson + Randle + IQ getting the wins, but now its a different story.
IQ + Hart + Hart + Deuce played most of the second half last night and they were NASTY.
Panos wrote:I think its time to revive this thread.
While Brunson is out this is still true. When he was healthy, it was totally Brunson + Randle + IQ getting the wins, but now its a different story.
IQ + Hart + Hart + Deuce played most of the second half last night and they were NASTY.
the big question is if McBride ascends what do we do with our glut at guard?
PG Brunson/IQ/McBride/Rose
SG RJ/Grimes/JHart/Fournier
We obviously play 3 guard sets and our size up front compensates, but improving this balance (and we have talent/players that are desirable)
We have Fournier/Rose expiring deals along with IQ/McBride/Grimes/RJ are potential pieces (assuming Brunson/JHart are staying)
fishmike wrote:Panos wrote:I think its time to revive this thread.
While Brunson is out this is still true. When he was healthy, it was totally Brunson + Randle + IQ getting the wins, but now its a different story.
IQ + Hart + Hart + Deuce played most of the second half last night and they were NASTY.
the big question is if McBride ascends what do we do with our glut at guard?
PG Brunson/IQ/McBride/Rose
SG RJ/Grimes/JHart/FournierWe obviously play 3 guard sets and our size up front compensates, but improving this balance (and we have talent/players that are desirable)
We have Fournier/Rose expiring deals along with IQ/McBride/Grimes/RJ are potential pieces (assuming Brunson/JHart are staying)
Again, I don't consider RJ a SG, so I don't see a problem.
PG Brunson/McBride
SG Grimes/IQ/JHart
SF RJ/JHart
EF and Rose are perma-benched.
Kemet wrote:Our Bench lineup will not be the same .. Cam & Grimes does not have Burks experience, and Hart does not have Taj Gibson experience in a 82 game season !!!
This didn't age well. Triple exclamation point!!!
Not missing Taj at all. Not really Burks either.
Panos wrote:fishmike wrote:Panos wrote:I think its time to revive this thread.
While Brunson is out this is still true. When he was healthy, it was totally Brunson + Randle + IQ getting the wins, but now its a different story.
IQ + Hart + Hart + Deuce played most of the second half last night and they were NASTY.
the big question is if McBride ascends what do we do with our glut at guard?
PG Brunson/IQ/McBride/Rose
SG RJ/Grimes/JHart/FournierWe obviously play 3 guard sets and our size up front compensates, but improving this balance (and we have talent/players that are desirable)
We have Fournier/Rose expiring deals along with IQ/McBride/Grimes/RJ are potential pieces (assuming Brunson/JHart are staying)
Again, I don't consider RJ a SG, so I don't see a problem.
PG Brunson/McBride
SG Grimes/JHart
EF and Rose are perma-benched.
I dont want to see Grimes penciled in as a starter just yet. Part of IQs success was due in part IMO, to not being rushed into the starting lineup. No matter how much he might have helped, at least temporarily.
Grimes is on a different trajectory, and I have yet to be convinced that its the right one. Might benefit from learning from one of the better SGs in the league. If one becomes available somehow.We would also get the scoring I believe we need from an SG.
GustavBahler wrote:Panos wrote:fishmike wrote:Panos wrote:I think its time to revive this thread.
While Brunson is out this is still true. When he was healthy, it was totally Brunson + Randle + IQ getting the wins, but now its a different story.
IQ + Hart + Hart + Deuce played most of the second half last night and they were NASTY.
the big question is if McBride ascends what do we do with our glut at guard?
PG Brunson/IQ/McBride/Rose
SG RJ/Grimes/JHart/FournierWe obviously play 3 guard sets and our size up front compensates, but improving this balance (and we have talent/players that are desirable)
We have Fournier/Rose expiring deals along with IQ/McBride/Grimes/RJ are potential pieces (assuming Brunson/JHart are staying)
Again, I don't consider RJ a SG, so I don't see a problem.
PG Brunson/McBride
SG Grimes/JHart
EF and Rose are perma-benched.
I dont want to see Grimes penciled in as a starter just yet. Part of IQs success was due in part IMO, to not being rushed into the starting lineup. No matter how much he might have helped, at least temporarily.
Grimes is on a different trajectory, and I have yet to be convinced that its the right one. Might benefit from learning from one of the better SGs in the league. If one becomes available somehow We would also get the scoring I believe we need from an SG.
Why?
martin wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Panos wrote:fishmike wrote:Panos wrote:I think its time to revive this thread.
While Brunson is out this is still true. When he was healthy, it was totally Brunson + Randle + IQ getting the wins, but now its a different story.
IQ + Hart + Hart + Deuce played most of the second half last night and they were NASTY.
the big question is if McBride ascends what do we do with our glut at guard?
PG Brunson/IQ/McBride/Rose
SG RJ/Grimes/JHart/FournierWe obviously play 3 guard sets and our size up front compensates, but improving this balance (and we have talent/players that are desirable)
We have Fournier/Rose expiring deals along with IQ/McBride/Grimes/RJ are potential pieces (assuming Brunson/JHart are staying)
Again, I don't consider RJ a SG, so I don't see a problem.
PG Brunson/McBride
SG Grimes/JHart
EF and Rose are perma-benched.
I dont want to see Grimes penciled in as a starter just yet. Part of IQs success was due in part IMO, to not being rushed into the starting lineup. No matter how much he might have helped, at least temporarily.
Grimes is on a different trajectory, and I have yet to be convinced that its the right one. Might benefit from learning from one of the better SGs in the league. If one becomes available somehow We would also get the scoring I believe we need from an SG.
Why?
Is Grimes still below some bench players in ppg? IDK
To me it hinges on Grimes developing a midrange game.
GustavBahler wrote:martin wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Panos wrote:fishmike wrote:Panos wrote:I think its time to revive this thread.
While Brunson is out this is still true. When he was healthy, it was totally Brunson + Randle + IQ getting the wins, but now its a different story.
IQ + Hart + Hart + Deuce played most of the second half last night and they were NASTY.
the big question is if McBride ascends what do we do with our glut at guard?
PG Brunson/IQ/McBride/Rose
SG RJ/Grimes/JHart/FournierWe obviously play 3 guard sets and our size up front compensates, but improving this balance (and we have talent/players that are desirable)
We have Fournier/Rose expiring deals along with IQ/McBride/Grimes/RJ are potential pieces (assuming Brunson/JHart are staying)
Again, I don't consider RJ a SG, so I don't see a problem.
PG Brunson/McBride
SG Grimes/JHart
EF and Rose are perma-benched.
I dont want to see Grimes penciled in as a starter just yet. Part of IQs success was due in part IMO, to not being rushed into the starting lineup. No matter how much he might have helped, at least temporarily.
Grimes is on a different trajectory, and I have yet to be convinced that its the right one. Might benefit from learning from one of the better SGs in the league. If one becomes available somehow We would also get the scoring I believe we need from an SG.
Why?
Is Grimes still below some bench players in ppg? IDK
To me it hinges on Grimes developing a midrange game.
In consecutive years the Knicks have put both RJ and Grimes in a very deliberate position to learn to play defense against the very best starting guards and SF's in the league. I thought it has been beneficial to both and is invaluable in terms of development. IMO, for any young player - in terms of experience - that type of ask is really hard. I think both have taken on that task very nicely.
For me, within a development process, you want young players to do simple things and let them build on that. I don't think the phrase "Stand in the corner" has much meaning in the way I've seen it discussed; that's the starting point of spacing and should also include cuts and movement off of that where appropriate. Having Grimes, McBride, Obi start their process from that point is a good thing IMO. Cam was resistant to this, he wanted to do the fancy stuff before he even got past first base, and as any good MILF including Stifler's mom will tell a 20yo, start at first and work your way around bases.
I don't know what value Grimes' PPG compared to any bench player has. I don't know why a mid range game would define what any player is doing when we know every team from an analytical standpoint is emphasis rim and 3point shots. I get that it'll add something but that's not within the playbook for him right now.
Frankly, I do believe the IQ has earned the starting SG role and Grimes to the bench. Just my opinion.
Panos wrote:fishmike wrote:Panos wrote:I think its time to revive this thread.
While Brunson is out this is still true. When he was healthy, it was totally Brunson + Randle + IQ getting the wins, but now its a different story.
IQ + Hart + Hart + Deuce played most of the second half last night and they were NASTY.
the big question is if McBride ascends what do we do with our glut at guard?
PG Brunson/IQ/McBride/Rose
SG RJ/Grimes/JHart/FournierWe obviously play 3 guard sets and our size up front compensates, but improving this balance (and we have talent/players that are desirable)
We have Fournier/Rose expiring deals along with IQ/McBride/Grimes/RJ are potential pieces (assuming Brunson/JHart are staying)
Again, I don't consider RJ a SG, so I don't see a problem.
PG Brunson/McBride
SG Grimes/IQ/JHart
SF RJ/JHart
EF and Rose are perma-benched.
why not?
He earned the 3rd pick in the draft playing SG at Duke.
He played his first two seasons with the Knicks playing SG next to Reggie.
We tried moving him to SF. Has it worked? Is he now a SF? I would say he's not. However you I was forced to agree he was a SF I would say we need a new one. Wiggins took like 7 years of RJ play to get better. Not sure I have that patience and RJ is smaller. If nothing better comes along we just keep playing 3 guard sets.
If we are keeping RJ I would love to get him back to SG, but as mentioned IQ/Grimes/JHart are taking those minutes and deservedly.
Panos wrote:Frankly, I do believe the IQ has earned the starting SG role and Grimes to the bench. Just my opinion.
I think Grimes keeps it as the better m2m defender. Hart/Grimes are our best m2m defenders on the perimeter. IQ/Brunson are great team defenders but both struggle more on m2m. I think its a big reason when you see IQ you also see Hart, especially in the crunch.
You are spot on tho... IQ has earned a starting role, if not this year surely next. What do you do? What if IQ ends up better than Brunson 
martin wrote:GustavBahler wrote:martin wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Panos wrote:fishmike wrote:Panos wrote:I think its time to revive this thread.
While Brunson is out this is still true. When he was healthy, it was totally Brunson + Randle + IQ getting the wins, but now its a different story.
IQ + Hart + Hart + Deuce played most of the second half last night and they were NASTY.
the big question is if McBride ascends what do we do with our glut at guard?
PG Brunson/IQ/McBride/Rose
SG RJ/Grimes/JHart/FournierWe obviously play 3 guard sets and our size up front compensates, but improving this balance (and we have talent/players that are desirable)
We have Fournier/Rose expiring deals along with IQ/McBride/Grimes/RJ are potential pieces (assuming Brunson/JHart are staying)
Again, I don't consider RJ a SG, so I don't see a problem.
PG Brunson/McBride
SG Grimes/JHart
EF and Rose are perma-benched.
I dont want to see Grimes penciled in as a starter just yet. Part of IQs success was due in part IMO, to not being rushed into the starting lineup. No matter how much he might have helped, at least temporarily.
Grimes is on a different trajectory, and I have yet to be convinced that its the right one. Might benefit from learning from one of the better SGs in the league. If one becomes available somehow We would also get the scoring I believe we need from an SG.
Why?
Is Grimes still below some bench players in ppg? IDK
To me it hinges on Grimes developing a midrange game.
In consecutive years the Knicks have put both RJ and Grimes in a very deliberate position to learn to play defense against the very best starting guards and SF's in the league. I thought it has been beneficial to both and is invaluable in terms of development. IMO, for any young player - in terms of experience - that type of ask is really hard. I think both have taken on that task very nicely.
For me, within a development process, you want young players to do simple things and let them build on that. I don't think the phrase "Stand in the corner" has much meaning in the way I've seen it discussed; that's the starting point of spacing and should also include cuts and movement off of that where appropriate. Having Grimes, McBride, Obi start their process from that point is a good thing IMO. Cam was resistant to this, he wanted to do the fancy stuff before he even got past first base, and as any good MILF including Stifler's mom will tell a 20yo, start at first and work your way around bases.
I don't know what value Grimes' PPG compared to any bench player has. I don't know why a mid range game would define what any player is doing when we know every team from an analytical standpoint is emphasis rim and 3point shots. I get that it'll add something but that's not within the playbook for him right now.
First off Martin, we know what the bolded is all about. Please let it go, Rebecca is happy with Wally. Take comfort in that. Before it tears you apart!! 
Grimes needed more work on his offense before he went against starting defenses IMO. RJ showed enough offense from day one to learn on the job. Dont believe Grimes has yet to show it.
A midrange game is important because (from my experience) its easier to slow a player down, when you know there are spots on the court you dont have to worry about.
If they're cut off on a drive, no clear path. The player has to give up the ball or reset. A midrange game allows for more improvisation. Just have to look at IQ's game to see the benefit of being less predictable.
fishmike wrote:Panos wrote:fishmike wrote:Panos wrote:I think its time to revive this thread.
While Brunson is out this is still true. When he was healthy, it was totally Brunson + Randle + IQ getting the wins, but now its a different story.
IQ + Hart + Hart + Deuce played most of the second half last night and they were NASTY.
the big question is if McBride ascends what do we do with our glut at guard?
PG Brunson/IQ/McBride/Rose
SG RJ/Grimes/JHart/FournierWe obviously play 3 guard sets and our size up front compensates, but improving this balance (and we have talent/players that are desirable)
We have Fournier/Rose expiring deals along with IQ/McBride/Grimes/RJ are potential pieces (assuming Brunson/JHart are staying)
Again, I don't consider RJ a SG, so I don't see a problem.
PG Brunson/McBride
SG Grimes/IQ/JHart
SF RJ/JHart
EF and Rose are perma-benched.
why not?
He earned the 3rd pick in the draft playing SG at Duke.
He played his first two seasons with the Knicks playing SG next to Reggie.
We tried moving him to SF. Has it worked? Is he now a SF? I would say he's not. However you I was forced to agree he was a SF I would say we need a new one. Wiggins took like 7 years of RJ play to get better. Not sure I have that patience and RJ is smaller. If nothing better comes along we just keep playing 3 guard sets. If we are keeping RJ I would love to get him back to SG, but as mentioned IQ/Grimes/JHart are taking those minutes and deservedly.
Because he is slow and is not a shooter. He's basically a SF/PF tweener.
For me RJ is an Oakley type athlete in a 6'6" body. Stiff, kinda pushes shots instead of shooting them. Weird, slow footwork. Strong. Shouldn't be making too many decisions with ball in hands.
Panos wrote:fishmike wrote:Panos wrote:fishmike wrote:Panos wrote:I think its time to revive this thread.
While Brunson is out this is still true. When he was healthy, it was totally Brunson + Randle + IQ getting the wins, but now its a different story.
IQ + Hart + Hart + Deuce played most of the second half last night and they were NASTY.
the big question is if McBride ascends what do we do with our glut at guard?
PG Brunson/IQ/McBride/Rose
SG RJ/Grimes/JHart/FournierWe obviously play 3 guard sets and our size up front compensates, but improving this balance (and we have talent/players that are desirable)
We have Fournier/Rose expiring deals along with IQ/McBride/Grimes/RJ are potential pieces (assuming Brunson/JHart are staying)
Again, I don't consider RJ a SG, so I don't see a problem.
PG Brunson/McBride
SG Grimes/IQ/JHart
SF RJ/JHart
EF and Rose are perma-benched.
why not?
He earned the 3rd pick in the draft playing SG at Duke.
He played his first two seasons with the Knicks playing SG next to Reggie.
We tried moving him to SF. Has it worked? Is he now a SF? I would say he's not. However you I was forced to agree he was a SF I would say we need a new one. Wiggins took like 7 years of RJ play to get better. Not sure I have that patience and RJ is smaller. If nothing better comes along we just keep playing 3 guard sets. If we are keeping RJ I would love to get him back to SG, but as mentioned IQ/Grimes/JHart are taking those minutes and deservedly.
Because he is slow and is not a shooter. He's basically a SF/PF tweener.
he doesnt box (much) out and cant guard bigs (really well) so.... and he's 100% a shooter. He SHOOTS it all the time. Lots
There's just no way SF is his best position in this league. When he plays SG he gives you an advantage (size). What advantage does he give you at SF/PF?
If anything he was really showing a breakout end of his sophomore season. He had everyone thinking year 3 is all star. Then they played him next to Fournier, moved him to SF and its not been good since. What am I missing?
I wont even disagree with you on his position... but I will say this. At SG? RJ intrigues me and there's somethings I like (size, rebounding, bullyball). Playing him at forward is meh at best. We play him there because we have 50 SGs. I dont want RJ to the Knicks SF.
