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All honesty this makes RJ’s contract looks better. I like him a lot more than I like Herro as a current player and based on upside.
Hell yeah - defense included for one.
except RJ was not a very effective defender last year and Herro has much better offensive #s
Today Herro is a better player... hopefully that plays out differently in the future
martin@ 10/3/2022 9:25 AM
Miami is overloaded at SG/SF. All these guys are 6'4"-6'7":
Herro, Duncan Robinson, Max Strus, Gabe Vincent, Oladipo, Butler, Caleb Martin.
That's a lot of small ball
fishmike@ 10/3/2022 10:13 AM
martin wrote:Miami is overloaded at SG/SF. All these guys are 6'4"-6'7":
Herro, Duncan Robinson, Max Strus, Gabe Vincent, Oladipo, Butler, Caleb Martin.
That's a lot of small ball
Randle trade?
Clean@ 10/3/2022 11:57 AM
fishmike wrote:
martin wrote:Miami is overloaded at SG/SF. All these guys are 6'4"-6'7":
Herro, Duncan Robinson, Max Strus, Gabe Vincent, Oladipo, Butler, Caleb Martin.
That's a lot of small ball
Randle trade?
I am of the mindset that we are in too deep and his value is too low to trade him now. If his 3pt shot has improved like was said he will have a huge increase in productivity from last year based on that alone.
KnickDanger@ 10/3/2022 2:08 PM
fishmike wrote:
KnickDanger wrote:
wargames wrote:
martin wrote:
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All honesty this makes RJ’s contract looks better. I like him a lot more than I like Herro as a current player and based on upside.
Hell yeah - defense included for one.
except RJ was not a very effective defender last year and Herro has much better offensive #s
Today Herro is a better player... hopefully that plays out differently in the future
Disagree with your dismissiveness of RJ’s D. He regularly guards the opposition’s best offensive players and does a good job with a lot of effort. Herro on the other hand, uh, blows in that department. While Herro is the better offensive player by a margin, say, defensively he is way way behind RJ. I’d take Barrett any day.
martin@ 10/4/2022 10:48 AM
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All honesty this makes RJ’s contract looks better. I like him a lot more than I like Herro as a current player and based on upside.
Hell yeah - defense included for one.
except RJ was not a very effective defender last year and Herro has much better offensive #s
Today Herro is a better player... hopefully that plays out differently in the future
Disagree with your dismissiveness of RJ’s D. He regularly guards the opposition’s best offensive players and does a good job with a lot of effort. Herro on the other hand, uh, blows in that department. While Herro is the better offensive player by a margin, say, defensively he is way way behind RJ. I’d take Barrett any day.
Herro's defense is enough of a detriment that you have to grind your teeth every time he's on the court. It wasn't a coincidence that RJ put up career numbers against Miami with Herro guarding him on a good number of possessions. In fact, RJ was hunting him for the mismatch. The thing with RJ is that even though he's improving, he still hasn't shown that he's capable of doing anything at a high level. Herro is an above average movement shooter with some creation skills. What does RJ have that he can legitimately hang his hat on? That will be his evolution.
Clean@ 10/4/2022 10:37 PM
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Ben might have to take another 2 years off after that
fishmike@ 10/5/2022 10:47 AM
KnickDanger wrote:
fishmike wrote:
KnickDanger wrote:
wargames wrote:
martin wrote:
Javascript is not enabled or there was problem with the URL: https://twitter.com/anthony_chiang/status/1576702457928978432?s=21&t=Pf0az-QJCRuRzqHD7FZgDQ
All honesty this makes RJ’s contract looks better. I like him a lot more than I like Herro as a current player and based on upside.
Hell yeah - defense included for one.
except RJ was not a very effective defender last year and Herro has much better offensive #s
Today Herro is a better player... hopefully that plays out differently in the future
Disagree with your dismissiveness of RJ’s D. He regularly guards the opposition’s best offensive players and does a good job with a lot of effort. Herro on the other hand, uh, blows in that department. While Herro is the better offensive player by a margin, say, defensively he is way way behind RJ. I’d take Barrett any day.
Im not dismissing RJ's defense. Im saying it wasnt good last year based on the #s. Was the effort there? Sure... was he effective? Well the #s say no, we was not http://www.82games.com/2122/21NYK13.HTM https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/barrerj01.html
None of his metrics were very good last year. I like RJ plenty and Im glad we resigned him but the #s dont lie... he plays really hard and passes some eye tests but he wasnt stopping anyone. His opponents EFG% was not good at all.
KnickDanger@ 10/5/2022 12:16 PM
fishmike wrote:
KnickDanger wrote:
fishmike wrote:
KnickDanger wrote:
wargames wrote:
martin wrote:
Javascript is not enabled or there was problem with the URL: https://twitter.com/anthony_chiang/status/1576702457928978432?s=21&t=Pf0az-QJCRuRzqHD7FZgDQ
All honesty this makes RJ’s contract looks better. I like him a lot more than I like Herro as a current player and based on upside.
Hell yeah - defense included for one.
except RJ was not a very effective defender last year and Herro has much better offensive #s
Today Herro is a better player... hopefully that plays out differently in the future
Disagree with your dismissiveness of RJ’s D. He regularly guards the opposition’s best offensive players and does a good job with a lot of effort. Herro on the other hand, uh, blows in that department. While Herro is the better offensive player by a margin, say, defensively he is way way behind RJ. I’d take Barrett any day.
Im not dismissing RJ's defense. Im saying it wasnt good last year based on the #s. Was the effort there? Sure... was he effective? Well the #s say no, we was not http://www.82games.com/2122/21NYK13.HTM https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/barrerj01.html
None of his metrics were very good last year. I like RJ plenty and Im glad we resigned him but the #s dont lie... he plays really hard and passes some eye tests but he wasnt stopping anyone. His opponents EFG% was not good at all.
Shall we cherry pick our links? Rather than dig up nebulous stats, let's see some footage -- you know, the eye test:
This kerfluffle was based on Herro vs RJ. My point is RJ is a solid defender who regularly draws the opponent's best scorer -- there's a stat out there for that btw. I don't say he is the reincarnation of the Glove. But I do say he is good -- you disagree. Again my opinion is I prefer him over Herro. And certainly like you I would love to see progress in all departments.
Chandler@ 10/5/2022 2:40 PM
RJ was often taking the toughest opponent
fishmike@ 10/5/2022 6:29 PM
KnickDanger wrote:
fishmike wrote:
KnickDanger wrote:
fishmike wrote:
KnickDanger wrote:
wargames wrote:
martin wrote:
Javascript is not enabled or there was problem with the URL: https://twitter.com/anthony_chiang/status/1576702457928978432?s=21&t=Pf0az-QJCRuRzqHD7FZgDQ
All honesty this makes RJ’s contract looks better. I like him a lot more than I like Herro as a current player and based on upside.
Hell yeah - defense included for one.
except RJ was not a very effective defender last year and Herro has much better offensive #s
Today Herro is a better player... hopefully that plays out differently in the future
Disagree with your dismissiveness of RJ’s D. He regularly guards the opposition’s best offensive players and does a good job with a lot of effort. Herro on the other hand, uh, blows in that department. While Herro is the better offensive player by a margin, say, defensively he is way way behind RJ. I’d take Barrett any day.
Im not dismissing RJ's defense. Im saying it wasnt good last year based on the #s. Was the effort there? Sure... was he effective? Well the #s say no, we was not http://www.82games.com/2122/21NYK13.HTM https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/barrerj01.html
None of his metrics were very good last year. I like RJ plenty and Im glad we resigned him but the #s dont lie... he plays really hard and passes some eye tests but he wasnt stopping anyone. His opponents EFG% was not good at all.
Shall we cherry pick our links? Rather than dig up nebulous stats, let's see some footage -- you know, the eye test:
This kerfluffle was based on Herro vs RJ. My point is RJ is a solid defender who regularly draws the opponent's best scorer -- there's a stat out there for that btw. I don't say he is the reincarnation of the Glove. But I do say he is good -- you disagree. Again my opinion is I prefer him over Herro. And certainly like you I would love to see progress in all departments.
I prefer him of Herro as well... its not really a cherry picked link. Its the two most basic "how does your defense impact team #s" and "how does your defense impact opposing player #s" and both are totally average. Is what it is. You wanna sell me on "RJ take the toughest assignments and one can expect growth" well I'm sold.
Clean@ 10/5/2022 8:01 PM
Every time I watch Tyrese Maxey he stands out even in games with superstars. This guy is a problem and he keeps getting better.
martin@ 10/6/2022 7:14 AM
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All honesty this makes RJ’s contract looks better. I like him a lot more than I like Herro as a current player and based on upside.
Hell yeah - defense included for one.
except RJ was not a very effective defender last year and Herro has much better offensive #s
Today Herro is a better player... hopefully that plays out differently in the future
Disagree with your dismissiveness of RJ’s D. He regularly guards the opposition’s best offensive players and does a good job with a lot of effort. Herro on the other hand, uh, blows in that department. While Herro is the better offensive player by a margin, say, defensively he is way way behind RJ. I’d take Barrett any day.
Im not dismissing RJ's defense. Im saying it wasnt good last year based on the #s. Was the effort there? Sure... was he effective? Well the #s say no, we was not http://www.82games.com/2122/21NYK13.HTM https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/barrerj01.html
None of his metrics were very good last year. I like RJ plenty and Im glad we resigned him but the #s dont lie... he plays really hard and passes some eye tests but he wasnt stopping anyone. His opponents EFG% was not good at all.
Shall we cherry pick our links? Rather than dig up nebulous stats, let's see some footage -- you know, the eye test:
This kerfluffle was based on Herro vs RJ. My point is RJ is a solid defender who regularly draws the opponent's best scorer -- there's a stat out there for that btw. I don't say he is the reincarnation of the Glove. But I do say he is good -- you disagree. Again my opinion is I prefer him over Herro. And certainly like you I would love to see progress in all departments.
I prefer him of Herro as well... its not really a cherry picked link. Its the two most basic "how does your defense impact team #s" and "how does your defense impact opposing player #s" and both are totally average. Is what it is. You wanna sell me on "RJ take the toughest assignments and one can expect growth" well I'm sold.
The media’s ball washing of Herro has cooled down since his rookie year. RJ is the better all around player now. If Riley could trade Herro for RJ straight up he would do it in a nanosecond
Philc1@ 10/6/2022 7:33 AM
martin wrote:
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What a fun season. Kidd playing combo guard for us is a delight to watch to this day
BigDaddyG@ 10/6/2022 4:15 PM
Missed this announcement. Look forward to listening to this.
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Lin is promoting a documentary and will be full of controversy.
Have to credit that when you throw spaghetti on the wall some of it sticks. Briggs does toss the starchy stuff around but one of those strands did stick and it had Lin’s name on it.
I don’t think he slams the knicks much for letting him walk. MDA was on his way out so a change was in the air. Rockets put a poison pill in the contract constraining knicks to match. In the end Lin’s ascension was limited by his knees. Even a fair documentary has its theme to produce good guys and bad ones. I read he does not call out Melo or any knick for the rumored jealousy. But the story might be there was internal debate among players and front office. In hindsight, was that really so wrong? Was it based on his ancestry? If so then it was. As a player he had short sample at that high level. As a fan I loved it and regret we did not resign him. But that would have abated with his diminished capacity as the knee limited him.
BigDaddyG@ 10/6/2022 6:19 PM
Man, I'm already having nightmares about Fournier trying to keep up with Murray
wargames@ 10/6/2022 6:42 PM
BigDaddyG wrote:Man, I'm already having nightmares about Fournier trying to keep up with Murray
This was the guy the Knicks should have gone after but Pops did that deal really quick. He and Trae are guys they are going to want to have McBride and Grimes on the court for. Also RJ should probably draw that assignment with Fournier guarding the other wing, Bogdon or Hunter.
