Alpha1971 wrote:ToddTT wrote:They peaked hard. Plus the NBA lightened up on rules that heavily favored flopping bitches.
Man the Hawks seemed to be the future They had young talent everywhere, and lots of wings. They had pics too. They even drafted very well the last two years with top talent that fell to them and they are still a mess
Funny, that picture is from the series they won 4-1!
ATL FO has been erratic with factions not on the same page. Better or worse that seems to be cleared up now with our old Friend Landry Fields running it, with ownerships blessing. They like us needed to make a consolidated trade which on paper was pretty good looking last summer. And they will need to pay him.
Trae is a bit toxic and did not get on with coach Mac. I have to say Quinn Synder is a good coach, very systems oriented and can’t say the expectations to turn it around with 20 games to go would have been fair. Have to see what they can do with that talent.
Keep Trae and Murray?
What is the issue with Collins? Is it Trae?
Capella at 28 still relevant? His minutes are down a bit.
Hunter is young and having one of his better seasons. 35% from 3pt is a bit down from last year but not by much and closer to his career.
AJ griffin might be a good one one day.
SergioNYK wrote:No thank you on Kawhi. Too expensive, won't leave LA and I cannot stand the extreme load management bs.
Too expensive for..?
Knicks won't have any cap space for the next several years and he's only signed through next season and has a player option for the next.
He's expensive, it wouldn't cost the Knicks any spending power.
They don't have any for a few years.
Knickoftime wrote:SergioNYK wrote:No thank you on Kawhi. Too expensive, won't leave LA and I cannot stand the extreme load management bs.
Too expensive for..?Knicks won't have any cap space for the next several years and he's only signed through next season and has a player option for the next.
He's expensive, it wouldn't cost the Knicks any spending power.
They don't have any for a few years.
I hate this argument.
The goal is always to have players with fair contracts so you can always make deals and not be compensating other teams to take your players. Either Kwahi is fairly paid, or he isn't. Doesn't make a difference if Knicks are over the limit.
Unless he's the final piece to put you over the top. In which case, sure, but then just say that!
Panos wrote:Knickoftime wrote:SergioNYK wrote:No thank you on Kawhi. Too expensive, won't leave LA and I cannot stand the extreme load management bs.
Too expensive for..?Knicks won't have any cap space for the next several years and he's only signed through next season and has a player option for the next.
He's expensive, it wouldn't cost the Knicks any spending power.
They don't have any for a few years.
I hate this argument.
The goal is always to have players with fair contracts so you can always make deals and not be compensating other teams to take your players. Either Kwahi is fairly paid, or he isn't. Doesn't make a difference if Knicks are over the limit.
Unless he's the final piece to put you over the top. In which case, sure, but then just say that!
I already did.
Yes, I think Kawhi or Paul as the piece (the 3) to put the Knicks over the top.
I've cited my reasons, be glad to reiterate them here if asked. But it's BECAUSE of their age, because of their experience, and even because of their contract status, and not despite them.
And yes, I know either leaving or being pushed out of LA is unlikely.
I just think to go on a postseason run, either fit this Knicks team perfectly.
Rather not go after such injury plagued players.
That's too big of a gamble.
Just ask Los Angeles Clippers.
Seems like that duo of Kawhi/PG13 are always, hurt and close to a lottery team because of it.
Kawhi Leonard and Paul George? No thanks.
I'd rather go after players not as injury plagued and/or as injury prone. This is basketball. Not Football. Multiple injuries to both players = RED FLAG WARNING SIGNS (to stay away).
Especially @ their AGE. Especially @ their age.
We have 0.0 chance at getting Kawahi Leonard. But it’s ludicrous homerism for Knicks fans to say pass. Kawahi would give us a legit shot at winning a title. He has only won 2 of them and the last one was facing KD/Steph/Klay superteam getting every call from the refs
Philc1 wrote:We have 0.0 chance at getting Kawahi Leonard. But it’s ludicrous homerism for Knicks fans to say pass. Kawahi would give us a legit shot at winning a title. He has only won 2 of them and the last one was facing KD/Steph/Klay superteam getting every call from the refs
Klay and KD got hurt and did not finish the series.
Missing two HOFers mattered.
Nalod wrote:Philc1 wrote:We have 0.0 chance at getting Kawahi Leonard. But it’s ludicrous homerism for Knicks fans to say pass. Kawahi would give us a legit shot at winning a title. He has only won 2 of them and the last one was facing KD/Steph/Klay superteam getting every call from the refs
Klay and KD got hurt and did not finish the series.
Missing two HOFers mattered.
And so what? Injuries are a part of sports. No one is giving us 10 extra wins last season because Kemba and DRose were both injured basically the entire season and we had nothing at pg
NYKMentality wrote:I'd rather go after players not as injury plagued and/or as injury prone. This is basketball. Not Football. Multiple injuries to both players = RED FLAG WARNING SIGNS (to stay away).Especially @ their AGE. Especially @ their age.
Good idea in a vacuum.
The complication is how to acquire players of their caliber who are younger, less expensive and haven't experienced injuries?
Because that sounds an awful lot like superstar all-stars to me.
So with no salary cap room to sign a FA, the equation becomes 1.) how to secure a player of this caliber via trade; and 2.) why is another team trading such a player to begin with?
And on another note, people should stop talking about age as a detriment.
Having experienced, veteran players who have been in deep postseason runs is a GOOD thing for what's a relatively young, inexperienced roster like the Knicks, not a bad thing.
And in the cases of players like Kawhi and PG-13, it's a one or two year commitment.
Knickoftime wrote:NYKMentality wrote:I'd rather go after players not as injury plagued and/or as injury prone. This is basketball. Not Football. Multiple injuries to both players = RED FLAG WARNING SIGNS (to stay away).Especially @ their AGE. Especially @ their age.
Good idea in a vacuum.
The complication is how to acquire players of their caliber who are younger, less expensive and haven't experienced injuries?
Because that sounds an awful lot like superstar all-stars to me.
So with no salary cap room to sign a FA, the equation becomes 1.) how to secure a player of this caliber via trade; and 2.) why is another team trading such a player to begin with?
And on another note, people should stop talking about age as a detriment.
Having experienced, veteran players who have been in deep postseason runs is a GOOD thing for what's a relatively young, inexperienced roster like the Knicks, not a bad thing.
And in the cases of players like Kawhi and PG-13, it's a one or two year commitment.
Trading for Kawahi would be a similar situation to the jets trading for Aaron Rodgers. Ofcourse it’s a no brainer and who cares about the only 2 year window to win a championship. I’ve been watching Knicks for 30+ years now and I got zero championships meanwhile these clowns in Texas, Miami, Chicago and Bay Area who know nothing get to celebrate championships every other year
Philc1 wrote:Nalod wrote:Philc1 wrote:We have 0.0 chance at getting Kawahi Leonard. But it’s ludicrous homerism for Knicks fans to say pass. Kawahi would give us a legit shot at winning a title. He has only won 2 of them and the last one was facing KD/Steph/Klay superteam getting every call from the refs
Klay and KD got hurt and did not finish the series.
Missing two HOFers mattered.
And so what? Injuries are a part of sports. No one is giving us 10 extra wins last season because Kemba and DRose were both injured basically the entire season and we had nothing at pg
You said they beat a super team with two of the three went out but that does not help your argument. That GSW team that won 73 games that year was the clear favorite. Of course injuries matter, except when your trying to make a point.
Deflection to Kemba and Drose is irrelevant. Not in your mind I gather.
Nalod wrote:Philc1 wrote:Nalod wrote:Philc1 wrote:We have 0.0 chance at getting Kawahi Leonard. But it’s ludicrous homerism for Knicks fans to say pass. Kawahi would give us a legit shot at winning a title. He has only won 2 of them and the last one was facing KD/Steph/Klay superteam getting every call from the refs
Klay and KD got hurt and did not finish the series.
Missing two HOFers mattered.
And so what? Injuries are a part of sports. No one is giving us 10 extra wins last season because Kemba and DRose were both injured basically the entire season and we had nothing at pg
You said they beat a super team with two of the three went out but that does not help your argument. That GSW team that won 73 games that year was the clear favorite. Of course injuries matter, except when your trying to make a point.
Deflection to Kemba and Drose is irrelevant. Not in your mind I gather.
Except Klay Thompson played in all but one of those games in the Finals
Philc1 wrote:Nalod wrote:Philc1 wrote:Nalod wrote:Philc1 wrote:We have 0.0 chance at getting Kawahi Leonard. But it’s ludicrous homerism for Knicks fans to say pass. Kawahi would give us a legit shot at winning a title. He has only won 2 of them and the last one was facing KD/Steph/Klay superteam getting every call from the refs
Klay and KD got hurt and did not finish the series.
Missing two HOFers mattered.
And so what? Injuries are a part of sports. No one is giving us 10 extra wins last season because Kemba and DRose were both injured basically the entire season and we had nothing at pg
You said they beat a super team with two of the three went out but that does not help your argument. That GSW team that won 73 games that year was the clear favorite. Of course injuries matter, except when your trying to make a point.
Deflection to Kemba and Drose is irrelevant. Not in your mind I gather.
Except Klay Thompson played in all but one of those games in the Finals
Your correct. He tore the ACL in game 5 and could not play.
Durant went down after playing 12 min in game one.
GSW did not win 73 that year either.
Toronto beat them in 6 games.
Heat and Nets just starting - we benefit from whoever loses and don’t from whoever wins. I pull for the Nets - Heat has our number more and more likely to get momentum and be dangerous.
