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EwingsGlass wrote:right it was Rose, not ELF... Thibs played Rose and Atl used better defenders on him hiding Trae on Reggie. Point is they hid Trae on Bullock and we couldnt make them payfishmike wrote:EwingsGlass wrote:they took away the only thing ELF could do, and you need wings who can make you pay for that. Reggie isnt that wing. Nice role player, got exposed. Both ELF and Bullock were weak links and known to be stop gap at best. Fournier is also but he's better.fishmike wrote:EwingsGlass wrote:not really about blaming Bullock.. he is what he is. The point is there was weakness and they exploited it and we didnt seem to have an answer.Philc1 wrote:fishmike wrote:Philc1 wrote:Bullock literally cost us the Atl series because his offense is so bad they hid Trae on him every time. Fournier will abuse a smaller player like 5 different ways. He's an offensive threat from everywhere on the floor, he can handle the ball, he can set up teammates... yeah just like Reggie used to be likeSergioNYK wrote:martin wrote:SergioNYK wrote:fishmike wrote:SergioNYK wrote:I'm hoping he plays well enough to get traded imho early in the season. If Fournier's shot isn't falling he's pretty useless. Can't win with players like that. Especially on a team that's not that talented or experienced.the bold tells me you dont watch or you are just spouting. Fournier is not a good 1-1 defender, but he's not useless. He's very physical and has shown he can be a good team defender. He's also a complete offensive player. He can handle the ball, break down a defense 1-1, pass off the dribble, gets into the paint... I dont get why people shit on players because they arent their shiny favorites.People also want to write him off like "he is what he is" but the growth that can still come from guys like Fournier (and should we trade him Randle) is chemistry. EF plays hard and works hard and his teammates like him. Expect to see him/RJ/Mitch/Jules level up together in terms of basic basketall chemistry. They can play better together and with a better PG surely will.
EF is a stop gap player. He's here to be supplanted by Grimes or whoever, but we dont have anything close to being as good as him at that position right now.
You don't pay $73M for a stop gap player. And I watch every game. I see a player who plays soft defensively (beaten off the dribble at will, doesn't rotate fast enough consistently, beaten back door for layup's, his man leaks out in transition) and doesn't contribute anything consistently if that shot isn't falling. I don't like players like him. Felt the same way about Tim Hardaway Jr. These are the worst type of vets and players to have on this type and level of team.
Literally no one thinks in terms of full contract $, that’s useless.
$18M a year for a floor spacer, specialist is still a little too much for me on this team. We could've/should've just brought back Bulloch at almost half the price and gotten better D but whatever.
Bullock is cheaper but he sucks. He can’t create his own shot and his defense is insanely overrated. Fournier was not a great signing either but he’s a better shooter and more dynamic scorer and he will be better this year especially with an actual pg on the roster.
Bullock got exposed badly in that playoff series and he does not have a cheap contract either
1) He shot 40% from 3 for the playoffs and helped Dallas to the Western Conference finals where they were beat by perhaps the best team of our generation. If getting exposed means that your 10mm role player couldn't contain an all star, well, I guess he got 'exposed'.
2) He makes 10mm a year which is below the MLE meaning it is below the median income of all players in the NBA.People can blame Bullock for "sucking" but a team needs low usage high output players. The fact that he is solely a 3&D shouldn't be interpreted that he sucks, he is a role player. A lunch pail type that shows up and does his job.
The fact that we didn't actually have a healthy PG is the reason the Hawks could hide their PG on a SF hanging out a the 3 point line. Normally, him hanging at the 3 point line should have been pulling a Danilo Gallinari or Deandre Hunter out of the paint and spreading the floor. Its not Bullock that was flawed on that roster, it was the roster that was flawed.
As currently constructed, when we face ATL, I would expect ATL to put him on Fournier and I don't think Fournier can make them pay for that transgression with Dajaunte clamping Brunson. Fournier is more likely to put the ball on the floor, but I don't think Fournier has the foot speed to get around Trae. Atl is likely to be a bad matchup for us on many levels with two premier PGs in their starting lineup.
I'm turning that back on you. He wasn't the weakness, Payton and the PG position was. They could hide Trae on a 3&D because we didn't have a PG to make them pay for that.
they put the better defensive play on ELF because he could get into the paint. His whole game is based on getting into the paint. The problem for Atl now is it means you have to put Trae on another player. Where can they hide him? Bullock. If we had Fournier instead of Bullock in that series it would have totally changed because EF would score every time down the floor until they changed it.
Which multiverse you from? Elf played 8 minutes the first game. 5 the second and DNP the rest of the series. You have zero credibility trashing Bullock with imagined defense of Elf that didn’t even happen.
If we had Brendan Ingram instead of Bullock, yeah, we would have scored more points. But I don’t think the losses are on Bullock versus the deficiencies of the balance of the roster.
EwingsGlass wrote:fishmike wrote:EwingsGlass wrote:they took away the only thing ELF could do, and you need wings who can make you pay for that. Reggie isnt that wing. Nice role player, got exposed. Both ELF and Bullock were weak links and known to be stop gap at best. Fournier is also but he's better.fishmike wrote:EwingsGlass wrote:not really about blaming Bullock.. he is what he is. The point is there was weakness and they exploited it and we didnt seem to have an answer.Philc1 wrote:fishmike wrote:Philc1 wrote:Bullock literally cost us the Atl series because his offense is so bad they hid Trae on him every time. Fournier will abuse a smaller player like 5 different ways. He's an offensive threat from everywhere on the floor, he can handle the ball, he can set up teammates... yeah just like Reggie used to be likeSergioNYK wrote:martin wrote:SergioNYK wrote:fishmike wrote:SergioNYK wrote:I'm hoping he plays well enough to get traded imho early in the season. If Fournier's shot isn't falling he's pretty useless. Can't win with players like that. Especially on a team that's not that talented or experienced.the bold tells me you dont watch or you are just spouting. Fournier is not a good 1-1 defender, but he's not useless. He's very physical and has shown he can be a good team defender. He's also a complete offensive player. He can handle the ball, break down a defense 1-1, pass off the dribble, gets into the paint... I dont get why people shit on players because they arent their shiny favorites.People also want to write him off like "he is what he is" but the growth that can still come from guys like Fournier (and should we trade him Randle) is chemistry. EF plays hard and works hard and his teammates like him. Expect to see him/RJ/Mitch/Jules level up together in terms of basic basketall chemistry. They can play better together and with a better PG surely will.
EF is a stop gap player. He's here to be supplanted by Grimes or whoever, but we dont have anything close to being as good as him at that position right now.
You don't pay $73M for a stop gap player. And I watch every game. I see a player who plays soft defensively (beaten off the dribble at will, doesn't rotate fast enough consistently, beaten back door for layup's, his man leaks out in transition) and doesn't contribute anything consistently if that shot isn't falling. I don't like players like him. Felt the same way about Tim Hardaway Jr. These are the worst type of vets and players to have on this type and level of team.
Literally no one thinks in terms of full contract $, that’s useless.
$18M a year for a floor spacer, specialist is still a little too much for me on this team. We could've/should've just brought back Bulloch at almost half the price and gotten better D but whatever.
Bullock is cheaper but he sucks. He can’t create his own shot and his defense is insanely overrated. Fournier was not a great signing either but he’s a better shooter and more dynamic scorer and he will be better this year especially with an actual pg on the roster.
Bullock got exposed badly in that playoff series and he does not have a cheap contract either
1) He shot 40% from 3 for the playoffs and helped Dallas to the Western Conference finals where they were beat by perhaps the best team of our generation. If getting exposed means that your 10mm role player couldn't contain an all star, well, I guess he got 'exposed'.
2) He makes 10mm a year which is below the MLE meaning it is below the median income of all players in the NBA.People can blame Bullock for "sucking" but a team needs low usage high output players. The fact that he is solely a 3&D shouldn't be interpreted that he sucks, he is a role player. A lunch pail type that shows up and does his job.
The fact that we didn't actually have a healthy PG is the reason the Hawks could hide their PG on a SF hanging out a the 3 point line. Normally, him hanging at the 3 point line should have been pulling a Danilo Gallinari or Deandre Hunter out of the paint and spreading the floor. Its not Bullock that was flawed on that roster, it was the roster that was flawed.
As currently constructed, when we face ATL, I would expect ATL to put him on Fournier and I don't think Fournier can make them pay for that transgression with Dajaunte clamping Brunson. Fournier is more likely to put the ball on the floor, but I don't think Fournier has the foot speed to get around Trae. Atl is likely to be a bad matchup for us on many levels with two premier PGs in their starting lineup.
I'm turning that back on you. He wasn't the weakness, Payton and the PG position was. They could hide Trae on a 3&D because we didn't have a PG to make them pay for that.
they put the better defensive play on ELF because he could get into the paint. His whole game is based on getting into the paint. The problem for Atl now is it means you have to put Trae on another player. Where can they hide him? Bullock. If we had Fournier instead of Bullock in that series it would have totally changed because EF would score every time down the floor until they changed it.
Which multiverse you from? Elf played 8 minutes the first game. 5 the second and DNP the rest of the series. You have zero credibility trashing Bullock with imagined defense of Elf that didn’t even happen.
If we had Brendan Ingram instead of Bullock, yeah, we would have scored more points. But I don’t think the losses are on Bullock versus the deficiencies of the balance of the roster.
And you don’t think Thibs benching elf basically the entire series because of his suckage and being forced to use Rose who can’t guard a turtle had an impact on the series?
Bullock got exposed and Elf isn’t even in the nba now. I wish Bullock the best shooting wide open threes while Luka draws triple teams in the paint
Philc1 wrote:EwingsGlass wrote:fishmike wrote:EwingsGlass wrote:they took away the only thing ELF could do, and you need wings who can make you pay for that. Reggie isnt that wing. Nice role player, got exposed. Both ELF and Bullock were weak links and known to be stop gap at best. Fournier is also but he's better.fishmike wrote:EwingsGlass wrote:not really about blaming Bullock.. he is what he is. The point is there was weakness and they exploited it and we didnt seem to have an answer.Philc1 wrote:fishmike wrote:Philc1 wrote:Bullock literally cost us the Atl series because his offense is so bad they hid Trae on him every time. Fournier will abuse a smaller player like 5 different ways. He's an offensive threat from everywhere on the floor, he can handle the ball, he can set up teammates... yeah just like Reggie used to be likeSergioNYK wrote:martin wrote:SergioNYK wrote:fishmike wrote:SergioNYK wrote:I'm hoping he plays well enough to get traded imho early in the season. If Fournier's shot isn't falling he's pretty useless. Can't win with players like that. Especially on a team that's not that talented or experienced.the bold tells me you dont watch or you are just spouting. Fournier is not a good 1-1 defender, but he's not useless. He's very physical and has shown he can be a good team defender. He's also a complete offensive player. He can handle the ball, break down a defense 1-1, pass off the dribble, gets into the paint... I dont get why people shit on players because they arent their shiny favorites.People also want to write him off like "he is what he is" but the growth that can still come from guys like Fournier (and should we trade him Randle) is chemistry. EF plays hard and works hard and his teammates like him. Expect to see him/RJ/Mitch/Jules level up together in terms of basic basketall chemistry. They can play better together and with a better PG surely will.
EF is a stop gap player. He's here to be supplanted by Grimes or whoever, but we dont have anything close to being as good as him at that position right now.
You don't pay $73M for a stop gap player. And I watch every game. I see a player who plays soft defensively (beaten off the dribble at will, doesn't rotate fast enough consistently, beaten back door for layup's, his man leaks out in transition) and doesn't contribute anything consistently if that shot isn't falling. I don't like players like him. Felt the same way about Tim Hardaway Jr. These are the worst type of vets and players to have on this type and level of team.
Literally no one thinks in terms of full contract $, that’s useless.
$18M a year for a floor spacer, specialist is still a little too much for me on this team. We could've/should've just brought back Bulloch at almost half the price and gotten better D but whatever.
Bullock is cheaper but he sucks. He can’t create his own shot and his defense is insanely overrated. Fournier was not a great signing either but he’s a better shooter and more dynamic scorer and he will be better this year especially with an actual pg on the roster.
Bullock got exposed badly in that playoff series and he does not have a cheap contract either
1) He shot 40% from 3 for the playoffs and helped Dallas to the Western Conference finals where they were beat by perhaps the best team of our generation. If getting exposed means that your 10mm role player couldn't contain an all star, well, I guess he got 'exposed'.
2) He makes 10mm a year which is below the MLE meaning it is below the median income of all players in the NBA.People can blame Bullock for "sucking" but a team needs low usage high output players. The fact that he is solely a 3&D shouldn't be interpreted that he sucks, he is a role player. A lunch pail type that shows up and does his job.
The fact that we didn't actually have a healthy PG is the reason the Hawks could hide their PG on a SF hanging out a the 3 point line. Normally, him hanging at the 3 point line should have been pulling a Danilo Gallinari or Deandre Hunter out of the paint and spreading the floor. Its not Bullock that was flawed on that roster, it was the roster that was flawed.
As currently constructed, when we face ATL, I would expect ATL to put him on Fournier and I don't think Fournier can make them pay for that transgression with Dajaunte clamping Brunson. Fournier is more likely to put the ball on the floor, but I don't think Fournier has the foot speed to get around Trae. Atl is likely to be a bad matchup for us on many levels with two premier PGs in their starting lineup.
I'm turning that back on you. He wasn't the weakness, Payton and the PG position was. They could hide Trae on a 3&D because we didn't have a PG to make them pay for that.
they put the better defensive play on ELF because he could get into the paint. His whole game is based on getting into the paint. The problem for Atl now is it means you have to put Trae on another player. Where can they hide him? Bullock. If we had Fournier instead of Bullock in that series it would have totally changed because EF would score every time down the floor until they changed it.
Which multiverse you from? Elf played 8 minutes the first game. 5 the second and DNP the rest of the series. You have zero credibility trashing Bullock with imagined defense of Elf that didn’t even happen.
If we had Brendan Ingram instead of Bullock, yeah, we would have scored more points. But I don’t think the losses are on Bullock versus the deficiencies of the balance of the roster.
And you don’t think Thibs benching elf basically the entire series because of his suckage and being forced to use Rose who can’t guard a turtle had an impact on the series?
Bullock got exposed and Elf isn’t even in the nba now. I wish Bullock the best shooting wide open threes while Luka draws triple teams in the paint
You broken?
“He wasn't the weakness, Payton and the PG position was.”
I explicitly stated that I thought ATL hiding Trae on Bullock is more about the lack of a PG than Bullock being a bad player. He’s a 3&D. It’s an archetype. They tend to stand behind the 3 point line to spread the floor.
EwingsGlass wrote:Philc1 wrote:EwingsGlass wrote:fishmike wrote:EwingsGlass wrote:they took away the only thing ELF could do, and you need wings who can make you pay for that. Reggie isnt that wing. Nice role player, got exposed. Both ELF and Bullock were weak links and known to be stop gap at best. Fournier is also but he's better.fishmike wrote:EwingsGlass wrote:not really about blaming Bullock.. he is what he is. The point is there was weakness and they exploited it and we didnt seem to have an answer.Philc1 wrote:fishmike wrote:Philc1 wrote:Bullock literally cost us the Atl series because his offense is so bad they hid Trae on him every time. Fournier will abuse a smaller player like 5 different ways. He's an offensive threat from everywhere on the floor, he can handle the ball, he can set up teammates... yeah just like Reggie used to be likeSergioNYK wrote:martin wrote:SergioNYK wrote:fishmike wrote:SergioNYK wrote:I'm hoping he plays well enough to get traded imho early in the season. If Fournier's shot isn't falling he's pretty useless. Can't win with players like that. Especially on a team that's not that talented or experienced.the bold tells me you dont watch or you are just spouting. Fournier is not a good 1-1 defender, but he's not useless. He's very physical and has shown he can be a good team defender. He's also a complete offensive player. He can handle the ball, break down a defense 1-1, pass off the dribble, gets into the paint... I dont get why people shit on players because they arent their shiny favorites.People also want to write him off like "he is what he is" but the growth that can still come from guys like Fournier (and should we trade him Randle) is chemistry. EF plays hard and works hard and his teammates like him. Expect to see him/RJ/Mitch/Jules level up together in terms of basic basketall chemistry. They can play better together and with a better PG surely will.
EF is a stop gap player. He's here to be supplanted by Grimes or whoever, but we dont have anything close to being as good as him at that position right now.
You don't pay $73M for a stop gap player. And I watch every game. I see a player who plays soft defensively (beaten off the dribble at will, doesn't rotate fast enough consistently, beaten back door for layup's, his man leaks out in transition) and doesn't contribute anything consistently if that shot isn't falling. I don't like players like him. Felt the same way about Tim Hardaway Jr. These are the worst type of vets and players to have on this type and level of team.
Literally no one thinks in terms of full contract $, that’s useless.
$18M a year for a floor spacer, specialist is still a little too much for me on this team. We could've/should've just brought back Bulloch at almost half the price and gotten better D but whatever.
Bullock is cheaper but he sucks. He can’t create his own shot and his defense is insanely overrated. Fournier was not a great signing either but he’s a better shooter and more dynamic scorer and he will be better this year especially with an actual pg on the roster.
Bullock got exposed badly in that playoff series and he does not have a cheap contract either
1) He shot 40% from 3 for the playoffs and helped Dallas to the Western Conference finals where they were beat by perhaps the best team of our generation. If getting exposed means that your 10mm role player couldn't contain an all star, well, I guess he got 'exposed'.
2) He makes 10mm a year which is below the MLE meaning it is below the median income of all players in the NBA.People can blame Bullock for "sucking" but a team needs low usage high output players. The fact that he is solely a 3&D shouldn't be interpreted that he sucks, he is a role player. A lunch pail type that shows up and does his job.
The fact that we didn't actually have a healthy PG is the reason the Hawks could hide their PG on a SF hanging out a the 3 point line. Normally, him hanging at the 3 point line should have been pulling a Danilo Gallinari or Deandre Hunter out of the paint and spreading the floor. Its not Bullock that was flawed on that roster, it was the roster that was flawed.
As currently constructed, when we face ATL, I would expect ATL to put him on Fournier and I don't think Fournier can make them pay for that transgression with Dajaunte clamping Brunson. Fournier is more likely to put the ball on the floor, but I don't think Fournier has the foot speed to get around Trae. Atl is likely to be a bad matchup for us on many levels with two premier PGs in their starting lineup.
I'm turning that back on you. He wasn't the weakness, Payton and the PG position was. They could hide Trae on a 3&D because we didn't have a PG to make them pay for that.
they put the better defensive play on ELF because he could get into the paint. His whole game is based on getting into the paint. The problem for Atl now is it means you have to put Trae on another player. Where can they hide him? Bullock. If we had Fournier instead of Bullock in that series it would have totally changed because EF would score every time down the floor until they changed it.
Which multiverse you from? Elf played 8 minutes the first game. 5 the second and DNP the rest of the series. You have zero credibility trashing Bullock with imagined defense of Elf that didn’t even happen.
If we had Brendan Ingram instead of Bullock, yeah, we would have scored more points. But I don’t think the losses are on Bullock versus the deficiencies of the balance of the roster.
And you don’t think Thibs benching elf basically the entire series because of his suckage and being forced to use Rose who can’t guard a turtle had an impact on the series?
Bullock got exposed and Elf isn’t even in the nba now. I wish Bullock the best shooting wide open threes while Luka draws triple teams in the paintYou broken?
“He wasn't the weakness, Payton and the PG position was.”
I explicitly stated that I thought ATL hiding Trae on Bullock is more about the lack of a PG than Bullock being a bad player. He’s a 3&D. It’s an archetype. They tend to stand behind the 3 point line to spread the floor.
Yea, I don't think that is true at all. When Rose started they still put Trae on Reggie. It was pretty clear they were hiding him on Reggie. With Trae being hid on him he did not have to worry about getting posted up because of how small he was. He did not have to worry about stopping anyone from driving to the hoop because that is not in Bullocks toolkit. He basically got to rest on defense the whole game. All Reggie does is go to the corner and wait for a pass. It would be a different situation if he ran around screens to get open but that is not what he does. At least if you make Trae work on defense you have a chance of him getting tired and him then starting to make mistakes and miss shots due to fatigue.
EwingsGlass wrote:Philc1 wrote:EwingsGlass wrote:fishmike wrote:EwingsGlass wrote:they took away the only thing ELF could do, and you need wings who can make you pay for that. Reggie isnt that wing. Nice role player, got exposed. Both ELF and Bullock were weak links and known to be stop gap at best. Fournier is also but he's better.fishmike wrote:EwingsGlass wrote:not really about blaming Bullock.. he is what he is. The point is there was weakness and they exploited it and we didnt seem to have an answer.Philc1 wrote:fishmike wrote:Philc1 wrote:Bullock literally cost us the Atl series because his offense is so bad they hid Trae on him every time. Fournier will abuse a smaller player like 5 different ways. He's an offensive threat from everywhere on the floor, he can handle the ball, he can set up teammates... yeah just like Reggie used to be likeSergioNYK wrote:martin wrote:SergioNYK wrote:fishmike wrote:SergioNYK wrote:I'm hoping he plays well enough to get traded imho early in the season. If Fournier's shot isn't falling he's pretty useless. Can't win with players like that. Especially on a team that's not that talented or experienced.the bold tells me you dont watch or you are just spouting. Fournier is not a good 1-1 defender, but he's not useless. He's very physical and has shown he can be a good team defender. He's also a complete offensive player. He can handle the ball, break down a defense 1-1, pass off the dribble, gets into the paint... I dont get why people shit on players because they arent their shiny favorites.People also want to write him off like "he is what he is" but the growth that can still come from guys like Fournier (and should we trade him Randle) is chemistry. EF plays hard and works hard and his teammates like him. Expect to see him/RJ/Mitch/Jules level up together in terms of basic basketall chemistry. They can play better together and with a better PG surely will.
EF is a stop gap player. He's here to be supplanted by Grimes or whoever, but we dont have anything close to being as good as him at that position right now.
You don't pay $73M for a stop gap player. And I watch every game. I see a player who plays soft defensively (beaten off the dribble at will, doesn't rotate fast enough consistently, beaten back door for layup's, his man leaks out in transition) and doesn't contribute anything consistently if that shot isn't falling. I don't like players like him. Felt the same way about Tim Hardaway Jr. These are the worst type of vets and players to have on this type and level of team.
Literally no one thinks in terms of full contract $, that’s useless.
$18M a year for a floor spacer, specialist is still a little too much for me on this team. We could've/should've just brought back Bulloch at almost half the price and gotten better D but whatever.
Bullock is cheaper but he sucks. He can’t create his own shot and his defense is insanely overrated. Fournier was not a great signing either but he’s a better shooter and more dynamic scorer and he will be better this year especially with an actual pg on the roster.
Bullock got exposed badly in that playoff series and he does not have a cheap contract either
1) He shot 40% from 3 for the playoffs and helped Dallas to the Western Conference finals where they were beat by perhaps the best team of our generation. If getting exposed means that your 10mm role player couldn't contain an all star, well, I guess he got 'exposed'.
2) He makes 10mm a year which is below the MLE meaning it is below the median income of all players in the NBA.People can blame Bullock for "sucking" but a team needs low usage high output players. The fact that he is solely a 3&D shouldn't be interpreted that he sucks, he is a role player. A lunch pail type that shows up and does his job.
The fact that we didn't actually have a healthy PG is the reason the Hawks could hide their PG on a SF hanging out a the 3 point line. Normally, him hanging at the 3 point line should have been pulling a Danilo Gallinari or Deandre Hunter out of the paint and spreading the floor. Its not Bullock that was flawed on that roster, it was the roster that was flawed.
As currently constructed, when we face ATL, I would expect ATL to put him on Fournier and I don't think Fournier can make them pay for that transgression with Dajaunte clamping Brunson. Fournier is more likely to put the ball on the floor, but I don't think Fournier has the foot speed to get around Trae. Atl is likely to be a bad matchup for us on many levels with two premier PGs in their starting lineup.
I'm turning that back on you. He wasn't the weakness, Payton and the PG position was. They could hide Trae on a 3&D because we didn't have a PG to make them pay for that.
they put the better defensive play on ELF because he could get into the paint. His whole game is based on getting into the paint. The problem for Atl now is it means you have to put Trae on another player. Where can they hide him? Bullock. If we had Fournier instead of Bullock in that series it would have totally changed because EF would score every time down the floor until they changed it.
Which multiverse you from? Elf played 8 minutes the first game. 5 the second and DNP the rest of the series. You have zero credibility trashing Bullock with imagined defense of Elf that didn’t even happen.
If we had Brendan Ingram instead of Bullock, yeah, we would have scored more points. But I don’t think the losses are on Bullock versus the deficiencies of the balance of the roster.
And you don’t think Thibs benching elf basically the entire series because of his suckage and being forced to use Rose who can’t guard a turtle had an impact on the series?
Bullock got exposed and Elf isn’t even in the nba now. I wish Bullock the best shooting wide open threes while Luka draws triple teams in the paintYou broken?
“He wasn't the weakness, Payton and the PG position was.”
I explicitly stated that I thought ATL hiding Trae on Bullock is more about the lack of a PG than Bullock being a bad player. He’s a 3&D. It’s an archetype. They tend to stand behind the 3 point line to spread the floor.
Ok, I agree, bullock is a very mediocre 3 and D guy who can’t create his own shot
Clean wrote:this was exactly my argument. Always like Reggie but we had a real weakness there and Atl exploited it.EwingsGlass wrote:Philc1 wrote:EwingsGlass wrote:fishmike wrote:EwingsGlass wrote:they took away the only thing ELF could do, and you need wings who can make you pay for that. Reggie isnt that wing. Nice role player, got exposed. Both ELF and Bullock were weak links and known to be stop gap at best. Fournier is also but he's better.fishmike wrote:EwingsGlass wrote:not really about blaming Bullock.. he is what he is. The point is there was weakness and they exploited it and we didnt seem to have an answer.Philc1 wrote:fishmike wrote:Philc1 wrote:Bullock literally cost us the Atl series because his offense is so bad they hid Trae on him every time. Fournier will abuse a smaller player like 5 different ways. He's an offensive threat from everywhere on the floor, he can handle the ball, he can set up teammates... yeah just like Reggie used to be likeSergioNYK wrote:martin wrote:SergioNYK wrote:fishmike wrote:SergioNYK wrote:I'm hoping he plays well enough to get traded imho early in the season. If Fournier's shot isn't falling he's pretty useless. Can't win with players like that. Especially on a team that's not that talented or experienced.the bold tells me you dont watch or you are just spouting. Fournier is not a good 1-1 defender, but he's not useless. He's very physical and has shown he can be a good team defender. He's also a complete offensive player. He can handle the ball, break down a defense 1-1, pass off the dribble, gets into the paint... I dont get why people shit on players because they arent their shiny favorites.People also want to write him off like "he is what he is" but the growth that can still come from guys like Fournier (and should we trade him Randle) is chemistry. EF plays hard and works hard and his teammates like him. Expect to see him/RJ/Mitch/Jules level up together in terms of basic basketall chemistry. They can play better together and with a better PG surely will.
EF is a stop gap player. He's here to be supplanted by Grimes or whoever, but we dont have anything close to being as good as him at that position right now.
You don't pay $73M for a stop gap player. And I watch every game. I see a player who plays soft defensively (beaten off the dribble at will, doesn't rotate fast enough consistently, beaten back door for layup's, his man leaks out in transition) and doesn't contribute anything consistently if that shot isn't falling. I don't like players like him. Felt the same way about Tim Hardaway Jr. These are the worst type of vets and players to have on this type and level of team.
Literally no one thinks in terms of full contract $, that’s useless.
$18M a year for a floor spacer, specialist is still a little too much for me on this team. We could've/should've just brought back Bulloch at almost half the price and gotten better D but whatever.
Bullock is cheaper but he sucks. He can’t create his own shot and his defense is insanely overrated. Fournier was not a great signing either but he’s a better shooter and more dynamic scorer and he will be better this year especially with an actual pg on the roster.
Bullock got exposed badly in that playoff series and he does not have a cheap contract either
1) He shot 40% from 3 for the playoffs and helped Dallas to the Western Conference finals where they were beat by perhaps the best team of our generation. If getting exposed means that your 10mm role player couldn't contain an all star, well, I guess he got 'exposed'.
2) He makes 10mm a year which is below the MLE meaning it is below the median income of all players in the NBA.People can blame Bullock for "sucking" but a team needs low usage high output players. The fact that he is solely a 3&D shouldn't be interpreted that he sucks, he is a role player. A lunch pail type that shows up and does his job.
The fact that we didn't actually have a healthy PG is the reason the Hawks could hide their PG on a SF hanging out a the 3 point line. Normally, him hanging at the 3 point line should have been pulling a Danilo Gallinari or Deandre Hunter out of the paint and spreading the floor. Its not Bullock that was flawed on that roster, it was the roster that was flawed.
As currently constructed, when we face ATL, I would expect ATL to put him on Fournier and I don't think Fournier can make them pay for that transgression with Dajaunte clamping Brunson. Fournier is more likely to put the ball on the floor, but I don't think Fournier has the foot speed to get around Trae. Atl is likely to be a bad matchup for us on many levels with two premier PGs in their starting lineup.
I'm turning that back on you. He wasn't the weakness, Payton and the PG position was. They could hide Trae on a 3&D because we didn't have a PG to make them pay for that.
they put the better defensive play on ELF because he could get into the paint. His whole game is based on getting into the paint. The problem for Atl now is it means you have to put Trae on another player. Where can they hide him? Bullock. If we had Fournier instead of Bullock in that series it would have totally changed because EF would score every time down the floor until they changed it.
Which multiverse you from? Elf played 8 minutes the first game. 5 the second and DNP the rest of the series. You have zero credibility trashing Bullock with imagined defense of Elf that didn’t even happen.
If we had Brendan Ingram instead of Bullock, yeah, we would have scored more points. But I don’t think the losses are on Bullock versus the deficiencies of the balance of the roster.
And you don’t think Thibs benching elf basically the entire series because of his suckage and being forced to use Rose who can’t guard a turtle had an impact on the series?
Bullock got exposed and Elf isn’t even in the nba now. I wish Bullock the best shooting wide open threes while Luka draws triple teams in the paintYou broken?
“He wasn't the weakness, Payton and the PG position was.”
I explicitly stated that I thought ATL hiding Trae on Bullock is more about the lack of a PG than Bullock being a bad player. He’s a 3&D. It’s an archetype. They tend to stand behind the 3 point line to spread the floor.Yea, I don't think that is true at all. When Rose started they still put Trae on Reggie. It was pretty clear they were hiding him on Reggie. With Trae being hid on him he did not have to worry about getting posted up because of how small he was. He did not have to worry about stopping anyone from driving to the hoop because that is not in Bullocks toolkit. He basically got to rest on defense the whole game. All Reggie does is go to the corner and wait for a pass. It would be a different situation if he ran around screens to get open but that is not what he does. At least if you make Trae work on defense you have a chance of him getting tired and him then starting to make mistakes and miss shots due to fatigue.
Knicks were not winning a title. Reggie was a stop gap guy. Just like ELF and Rose for that matter. We have really improved on the wing and that weakness doesnt exist.
As currently constructed Trae will have to guard Jalen/RJ/EF and I like that idea a LOT.
martin wrote:Nalod wrote:Compazzo is a backup. He signed with them last week. We over reacting just a bit? Maybe?
I don't think he moves the needle big time regardless but give him some time with new team and get in rhythm?
Ridding KP and Dinwiddie surge helped them overachieve last year.
No doubt Dallas did not read Brunson's value and in hindsight should have upped the offer before he broke out.
But lets not forget the timeline and value surge. Second Round picks are not bound like 1st rounders.
He was not even a starter at the beginning of last season.
It happens. We jumped on it.I think the consensus even amongst NBA types is that Compazzo sucks
Maybe he just there until our boy returns from injury?