I know they need a superstar but obviously that’s a hard piece to get. But they need a guy who can be a 4th scorer. They have settled in with 3 guys who can score but not a 4th. Quickley isn’t there and Rose will have his moments but it won’t be there consistently anymore. Toppin can score but he’s still a finisher and catch and shoot guy. It needs to be a shot creator. Reddish is having his opportunities and he’s not playing poorly by any means but he’s not proving to be a consistent threat to get to his spots. Fournier really should be that guy as he’s been most of his career but he seems to be checked out and not a fit. I advocated for Brogdon in the summer but I understand they were locked in on Brunson and there’s overlap there. Dejounte murray was a huge missed opportunity. But all of those protected picks that proved to be pretty useless when chasing a Mitchell level player should be used to acquire a player who can make an impact. Brogdon and Jeremy grant were two players traded for protected picks over the summer that are impact players and under age 30. I’m talking that level of player. There’s avenues to get better and move into the next tier in the East without cashing out all future equity for a star. Make a trade for a high level starter with those picks and draft well with our own picks. I feel confident in Brunson and Barrett going forward whether they reach a higher level or not.
Might work. My solution would be to trade Rose for more of a Charlie Ward type backup PG. If Thibs wont try developing Grimes into that role.
Thought Rose could be a big boost in a playoff run, but his strength is as a shoot first PG. Brunson played his most well rounded game since the start of the season. But right now he's primarily a shoot first PG. We need more of a playmaker to balance out the rotation IMO.
Rose's value at this stage of the season Im guessing is good. He is healthy, playing like he's turning back the clock. Wouldnt mind seeing the FO make a move before the trade deadline.
A playmaking PG off the bench (better than we have now) would give us a good idea of which players fit best on the roster. Who should be moved for another scorer.
GustavBahler wrote:Might work. My solution would be to trade Rose for more of a Charlie Ward type backup PG. If Thibs wont try developing Grimes into that role. Thought Rose could be a big boost in a playoff run, but his strength is as a shoot first PG. Brunson played his most well rounded game since the start of the season. But right now he's primarily a shoot first PG. We need more of a playmaker to balance out the rotation IMO.
Rose's value at this stage of the season Im guessing is good. He is healthy, playing like he's turning back the clock. Wouldnt mind seeing the FO make a move before the trade deadline.
A playmaking PG off the bench (better than we have now) would give us a good idea of which players fit best on the roster. Who should be moved for another scorer.
Deuce McBride are the Knicks Charlie Ward. The Knicks need a head coach like Mark Jackson !!!
Free D.Rose coaching leadership to guide a bench lineup for 18 min per game.
The Boston Celtics Defensive-Player Marcus Smart coaching leadership took Celtics to the FINALS.
Any Game coach Tom Thibs play a 9 man rotation means the Knicks are TANKING that game !!!
Why? The Knicks does not have a star-player on their roster, the Knicks have a complete roster to run 10 or 11 man rotation each game for 50-50 chance for the win (Brunson creativeness and D.Rose creativeness) !!!
Not quite the level we are looking for but Eric Gordon and Josh Richardson are 2 guys I’m expecting to come up in trade talks. Either of them for Fournier and a non-Knicks protected pick is the idea. Richardson especially given he’s younger and can really shoot and defend.
I think you said it in your first sentence. It’s a superstar and they are hard to get.
EwingsGlass wrote:I think you said it in your first sentence. It’s a superstar and they are hard to get.
its this... we have a bunch of good players and we will win some games, especially against the shit teams but what we need is an impact player still. A true first option. Hayward could be a guy like that for cheap, but anyone else is gonna be pricy (like Donovan would have been). Maybe RJ and picks for Booker works at some point. Who knows, the NBA changes fast. We are in pretty good position imo.
fishmike wrote:EwingsGlass wrote:I think you said it in your first sentence. It’s a superstar and they are hard to get.
its this... we have a bunch of good players and we will win some games, especially against the shit teams but what we need is an impact player still. A true first option. Hayward could be a guy like that for cheap, but anyone else is gonna be pricy (like Donovan would have been). Maybe RJ and picks for Booker works at some point. Who knows, the NBA changes fast. We are in pretty good position imo.
crazy how fast PHX turn it around this season!
perhaps when they get close to contract ending a player like booker can pull a "Melo" and dictate where they want to be.
Haywood got two more years (This and next) for about 30mil each. EF at 19mm, so another 11 has to go out. im not aware we have room or trade exemption. Randle works but 15% kicker is paid by us and its a big number.
EF and Drose more than works but Drose has to be down with Charlotte and mentor Melo Ball. Im spitballing.
What we don't know is Grimes groomed enough for the 2 yet? I know we'd like to think so,
fishmike wrote:EwingsGlass wrote:I think you said it in your first sentence. It’s a superstar and they are hard to get.
its this... we have a bunch of good players and we will win some games, especially against the shit teams but what we need is an impact player still. A true first option. Hayward could be a guy like that for cheap, but anyone else is gonna be pricy (like Donovan would have been). Maybe RJ and picks for Booker works at some point. Who knows, the NBA changes fast. We are in pretty good position imo.
Hayward would definitely be 4th option on this team at this stage. I like the option but he’s also pretty bad defensively these days.
fishmike wrote:EwingsGlass wrote:I think you said it in your first sentence. It’s a superstar and they are hard to get.
its this... we have a bunch of good players and we will win some games, especially against the shit teams but what we need is an impact player still. A true first option. Hayward could be a guy like that for cheap, but anyone else is gonna be pricy (like Donovan would have been). Maybe RJ and picks for Booker works at some point. Who knows, the NBA changes fast. We are in pretty good position imo.
We have seen this story play out many times. Don't think its about ONE superstar. I have been the broken record for years. We need guys at high who are high level shooters. The players we have are good. Problem is that they do not fit the present NBA. As Boston showed us last night, you need everyone to be able to shoot the three. You need several guys that can knock it down at a high click. RJ's best game is driving to the basket. Struggles from three. Randle's best role is bully ball down low. Struggles from three. Brunson's best game is crafty 10 footers. MR best game is alley oops. EF was that but he is now on the bench and can't play defense. Cam replacing him takes care of the defense but adds bad bball IQ on offense and a inconsistent three. Right now the only players I feel that may eventually fit the role of solid three point shooters are Grimes, EF and IQ. Problem with that is that none of those are considered our primary scorers. We nee to get players that are not only at a higher level but that fit in the way teams are succeeding in todays NBA. DM was one. Should have given up anyone that did not fit the three point criteria. But that is water under the bridge. Key is to make adjustments to what seems to work.
Kemet wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Might work. My solution would be to trade Rose for more of a Charlie Ward type backup PG. If Thibs wont try developing Grimes into that role. Thought Rose could be a big boost in a playoff run, but his strength is as a shoot first PG. Brunson played his most well rounded game since the start of the season. But right now he's primarily a shoot first PG. We need more of a playmaker to balance out the rotation IMO.
Rose's value at this stage of the season Im guessing is good. He is healthy, playing like he's turning back the clock. Wouldnt mind seeing the FO make a move before the trade deadline.
A playmaking PG off the bench (better than we have now) would give us a good idea of which players fit best on the roster. Who should be moved for another scorer.
Deuce McBride are the Knicks Charlie Ward. The Knicks need a head coach like Mark Jackson !!!
Free D.Rose coaching leadership to guide a bench lineup for 18 min per game.
The Boston Celtics Defensive-Player Marcus Smart coaching leadership took Celtics to the FINALS.
Any Game coach Tom Thibs play a 9 man rotation means the Knicks are TANKING that game !!!
Why? The Knicks does not have a star-player on their roster, the Knicks have a complete roster to run 10 or 11 man rotation each game for 50-50 chance for the win (Brunson creativeness and D.Rose creativeness) !!!
I was thinking about McBride, after I wrote this. If not Grimes, I'd like to see if he can fill the backup PG role, if Rose is moved.
If the FO doesnt believe they can, or arent ready. Then Id' like to see if the FO can find a player who fits the bill. Believe it will help the team from becoming too ISO heavy. A good defensive team can make that a weakness in the playoffs.
we don't need a 4th guy- we need the guys we have to step up to their potential.
Is it too much to ask RJ to shoot 34% from 3? Is it too much to ask IQ to play the way he did to end the season.
And then can we ask Thibs to play Obi 28 minutes a night?
Heard this idea mentioned on the Bill Simmons podcast. How many first-rounders would you be comfortable giving up if the Lakers made AD available? Assuming they say no to Randle due to salary, who else would you give up? Fournier and, maybe, Rose or Hart would go.
BigDaddyG wrote:Heard this idea mentioned on the Bill Simmons podcast. How many first-rounders would you be comfortable giving up if the Lakers made AD available? Assuming they say no to Randle due to salary, who else would you give up? Fournier and, maybe, Rose or Hart would go.
Is his contract expiring? Only reason to trade for a player who cant stay on the court.
GustavBahler wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:Heard this idea mentioned on the Bill Simmons podcast. How many first-rounders would you be comfortable giving up if the Lakers made AD available? Assuming they say no to Randle due to salary, who else would you give up? Fournier and, maybe, Rose or Hart would go.
Is his contract expiring? Only reason to trade for a player who cant stay on the court.
Has a few more years left. It's a gamble, but he undoubtedly raises the ceiling and floor of the franchise. But that's where the question of picks comes in. Would you go up to five picks if there were two of our own and three of the protected ones? Or do you think AD can't reclaim the superstar status he had a few years ago?
BigDaddyG wrote:GustavBahler wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:Heard this idea mentioned on the Bill Simmons podcast. How many first-rounders would you be comfortable giving up if the Lakers made AD available? Assuming they say no to Randle due to salary, who else would you give up? Fournier and, maybe, Rose or Hart would go.
Is his contract expiring? Only reason to trade for a player who cant stay on the court.
Has a few more years left. It's a gamble, but he undoubtedly raises the ceiling and floor of the franchise. But that's where the question of picks comes in. Would you go up to five picks if there were two of our own and three of the protected ones? Or do you think AD can't reclaim the superstar status he had a few years ago?
If we're giving away draft picks for a Laker, would rather it be LeBron, or a Westbrook salary dump.
Of course AD is a great player, but with Davis's many injuries, I get the feeling we'd look back at the Amar'e years as the good old days.
BRING. BACK. MELO ONNA . MIN.CONTRACT. need more scoring off the bench to the best bench we have And if Melo goes off for 20 every 8 to 10 games???
