Nalod wrote:I doubt Cuban went anywhere near betting on his team to lose.
The repercussions of such an act would be massive compared to gains made.
Of course he wouldn't barring a psychotic episode. Or he was really drunk. Or etc. But with the major presence of gambling I would think this situation would at least need to be investigated from that angle even if Cuban's motive had nothing to do with gambling, which would seem to be the case. Other folks could lay the bets based on inside knowledge.
Edit - Spurs up 42 - 14 after one quarter. Mavs not even pretending, absolutely no shame. On their home courst - I wonder how fans are reacting.
I see the Mavs are at it again.
martin wrote:
Ack! That lottery announcer guy is going to beat us again on lottery night when he breaks the news that the Mavs keep the number 10 pick!
It can happen, our chance has turned recently.
I want to believe we can get that 11th pick in the draft
Can Silver can simply punish them for their BLATANT actions by ruling they don’t get any balls, thus falling to the back of the lottery line? This sets a precedent that will discourage this type of disingenuous pulling of players to lose the game and not have to forfeit the pick. Given the protections, it then defaults to the knicks is perhaps the fair outcome.
This might one way for silver to punish without a nuclear option of taking their pick away from them.
That, and offer a refund to every fan who bought a ticket to that game.
Cuban got fined in 2018 $600,000 for saying he was tanking for publicly saying “it was in this clubs best interest.”
Likely its just a bigger fine, but……There is the knicks angle……. Does that factor in? Blatant tank on good faith trade asset? Also vs other teams who Dallas jumped ahead of. Some did tank. Not Bulls.
Knick fan in me wants Dallas to be punished but $1mm fine don’t do a think for me.
Funny enough, Knicks and Utah might be best trading partners for Dallas if they need to move Luka. If League some how lets the pick convey, and Kyrie leaves its Dallas only move.
Nalod wrote:Can Silver can simply punish them for their BLATANT actions by ruling they don’t get any balls, thus falling to the back of the lottery line? This sets a precedent that will discourage this type of disingenuous pulling of players to lose the game and not have to forfeit the pick. Given the protections, it then defaults to the knicks is perhaps the fair outcome.
This might one way for silver to punish without a nuclear option of taking their pick away from them.
That, and offer a refund to every fan who bought a ticket to that game.
He has the power to take picks or to assign those picks to other teams. The problem is Silver has no balls so most likely the max that will happen is a fine that is like a $20 ticket to the owner. This was the most blatant tanking I ever seen. Especially while they had a possible chance to fight for the play-in. Until now a coach throwing the actual games never crossed my mind. Tanking to me was like how the Pacers did it. You sit your best players but you play to win with lesser talent. What the Mavs did was on a whole new level. After I seen what they did vs the Bulls I knew there was no chance they win the last game no matter how bad the team they played. I always wondered why Ainge treated our protected picks like they were diseased. Now I know why.
while I would love to get the pick this year, our front office might actually prefer it stays in the future because it may have more value in a trade.
I'm sure if there is a player in this draft our FO wants, they will find a way to trade up/into the first round.
Clean wrote:Nalod wrote:Can Silver can simply punish them for their BLATANT actions by ruling they don’t get any balls, thus falling to the back of the lottery line? This sets a precedent that will discourage this type of disingenuous pulling of players to lose the game and not have to forfeit the pick. Given the protections, it then defaults to the knicks is perhaps the fair outcome.
This might one way for silver to punish without a nuclear option of taking their pick away from them.
That, and offer a refund to every fan who bought a ticket to that game.
He has the power to take picks or to assign those picks to other teams. The problem is Silver has no balls so most likely the max that will happen is a fine that is like a $20 ticket to the owner. This was the most blatant tanking I ever seen. Especially while they had a possible chance to fight for the play-in. Until now a coach throwing the actual games never crossed my mind. Tanking to me was like how the Pacers did it. You sit your best players but you play to win with lesser talent. What the Mavs did was on a whole new level. After I seen what they did vs the Bulls I knew there was no chance they win the last game no matter how bad the team they played. I always wondered why Ainge treaded our protected picks like they were diseased. Now I know why.
Silver’s balls are not what empoweres him. He is employed by the owners.
There were numerous teams that tanked this year. Portland was pretty egregious in doing so as well!
What Silver did with Sterling and Robert Sarver was not force them to sell but create the path by which the desired result occurred and they did anyway.
My suggestion (can’t be original) is if he treats the games as if Dallas one then he can justify moving them out of the 10th spot and the pick convey’s. This way he does not have to take the pick away from them. You simply correct what was done in a fair manner. The league was embarrassed by Cubans blatant actions and thus sets a precedent.
Taking away a first round pick is pretty damn severe and there is no precedent to doing so. Going forward it might make sense but you have to establish that rule and penalty before.
There are 30 owners and they primarily get along. Im sure Cuban is not happy with Knicks right now but he himself is no angel and not a stupid man.
Knicks picks are not valuable because they are not an awful team. Dallas and Wiz picks were protected.
Lets see what happens. Issue is Portland’s tank was pretty bad also.. They put a very uncompetitive product on the floor.
IF Dallas does get punished Kidds comments might have been the tipping point. That it was “Slovania night” vs Bulls and many came from there to see the game, and Luka got pulled in the second quarter early when they were up big was pretty damning.
franco12 wrote:while I would love to get the pick this year, our front office might actually prefer it stays in the future because it may have more value in a trade.I'm sure if there is a player in this draft our FO wants, they will find a way to trade up/into the first round.
This is a decent draft and if Dallas blows up it could be two more seasons of were that pick stays protected and then it turns to mush. Can you describe how the pick can be more valuable?
Nalod wrote:Clean wrote:Nalod wrote:Can Silver can simply punish them for their BLATANT actions by ruling they don’t get any balls, thus falling to the back of the lottery line? This sets a precedent that will discourage this type of disingenuous pulling of players to lose the game and not have to forfeit the pick. Given the protections, it then defaults to the knicks is perhaps the fair outcome.
This might one way for silver to punish without a nuclear option of taking their pick away from them.
That, and offer a refund to every fan who bought a ticket to that game.
He has the power to take picks or to assign those picks to other teams. The problem is Silver has no balls so most likely the max that will happen is a fine that is like a $20 ticket to the owner. This was the most blatant tanking I ever seen. Especially while they had a possible chance to fight for the play-in. Until now a coach throwing the actual games never crossed my mind. Tanking to me was like how the Pacers did it. You sit your best players but you play to win with lesser talent. What the Mavs did was on a whole new level. After I seen what they did vs the Bulls I knew there was no chance they win the last game no matter how bad the team they played. I always wondered why Ainge treaded our protected picks like they were diseased. Now I know why.
Silver’s balls are not what empoweres him. He is employed by the owners.
There were numerous teams that tanked this year. Portland was pretty egregious in doing so as well!
What Silver did with Sterling and Robert Sarver was not force them to sell but create the path by which the desired result occurred and they did anyway.
My suggestion (can’t be original) is if he treats the games as if Dallas one then he can justify moving them out of the 10th spot and the pick convey’s. This way he does not have to take the pick away from them. You simply correct what was done in a fair manner. The league was embarrassed by Cubans blatant actions and thus sets a precedent.
Taking away a first round pick is pretty damn severe and there is no precedent to doing so. Going forward it might make sense but you have to establish that rule and penalty before.
There are 30 owners and they primarily get along. Im sure Cuban is not happy with Knicks right now but he himself is no angel and not a stupid man.
Knicks picks are not valuable because they are not an awful team. Dallas and Wiz picks were protected.
Lets see what happens. Issue is Portland’s tank was pretty bad also.. They put a very uncompetitive product on the floor.
IF Dallas does get punished Kidds comments might have been the tipping point. That it was “Slovania night” vs Bulls and many came from there to see the game, and Luka got pulled in the second quarter early when they were up big was pretty damning.
It going to be totally wild when Dallas FALLS to pick #11 and Silver just sits there with a grin that smells like teen spirit but acts like a boss.
franco12 wrote:while I would love to get the pick this year, our front office might actually prefer it stays in the future because it may have more value in a trade.I'm sure if there is a player in this draft our FO wants, they will find a way to trade up/into the first round.
unless they trade Luca and go into a rebuild the value of the asset doesnt go down. If they dont drop to 11 (someone in the back moves up) we have 2 more years for that pick to convey, each year with top 10 protection.
With essentially an established roster this would have been a good year to draft a project.
We dont really need more young guys or rookies... just Obi/IQ/Grimes/McBride to keep getting better. Those old centers we have also.
martin wrote:Nalod wrote:Clean wrote:Nalod wrote:Can Silver can simply punish them for their BLATANT actions by ruling they don’t get any balls, thus falling to the back of the lottery line? This sets a precedent that will discourage this type of disingenuous pulling of players to lose the game and not have to forfeit the pick. Given the protections, it then defaults to the knicks is perhaps the fair outcome.
This might one way for silver to punish without a nuclear option of taking their pick away from them.
That, and offer a refund to every fan who bought a ticket to that game.
He has the power to take picks or to assign those picks to other teams. The problem is Silver has no balls so most likely the max that will happen is a fine that is like a $20 ticket to the owner. This was the most blatant tanking I ever seen. Especially while they had a possible chance to fight for the play-in. Until now a coach throwing the actual games never crossed my mind. Tanking to me was like how the Pacers did it. You sit your best players but you play to win with lesser talent. What the Mavs did was on a whole new level. After I seen what they did vs the Bulls I knew there was no chance they win the last game no matter how bad the team they played. I always wondered why Ainge treaded our protected picks like they were diseased. Now I know why.
Silver’s balls are not what empoweres him. He is employed by the owners.
There were numerous teams that tanked this year. Portland was pretty egregious in doing so as well!
What Silver did with Sterling and Robert Sarver was not force them to sell but create the path by which the desired result occurred and they did anyway.
My suggestion (can’t be original) is if he treats the games as if Dallas one then he can justify moving them out of the 10th spot and the pick convey’s. This way he does not have to take the pick away from them. You simply correct what was done in a fair manner. The league was embarrassed by Cubans blatant actions and thus sets a precedent.
Taking away a first round pick is pretty damn severe and there is no precedent to doing so. Going forward it might make sense but you have to establish that rule and penalty before.
There are 30 owners and they primarily get along. Im sure Cuban is not happy with Knicks right now but he himself is no angel and not a stupid man.
Knicks picks are not valuable because they are not an awful team. Dallas and Wiz picks were protected.
Lets see what happens. Issue is Portland’s tank was pretty bad also.. They put a very uncompetitive product on the floor.
IF Dallas does get punished Kidds comments might have been the tipping point. That it was “Slovania night” vs Bulls and many came from there to see the game, and Luka got pulled in the second quarter early when they were up big was pretty damning.
It going to be totally wild when Dallas FALLS to pick #11 and Silver just sits there with a grin that smells like teen spirit but acts like a boss.
Hahaha - Silver is either Grim Reaper or Nosferatu
fishmike wrote:franco12 wrote:while I would love to get the pick this year, our front office might actually prefer it stays in the future because it may have more value in a trade.I'm sure if there is a player in this draft our FO wants, they will find a way to trade up/into the first round.
unless they trade Luca and go into a rebuild the value of the asset doesnt go down. If they dont drop to 11 (someone in the back moves up) we have 2 more years for that pick to convey, each year with top 10 protection. With essentially an established roster this would have been a good year to draft a project.
We dont really need more young guys or rookies... just Obi/IQ/Grimes/McBride to keep getting better. Those old centers we have also.
Are the Knick expecting Rokas Jokubaitis to compete for a spot on the Knicks next year, or will be spend another season in Europe? Not sure we'd have any minutes for him.
He turns 23 in November.
Silver should punish them by giving them the last spot
That said, Silver is a stooge and will likely do nothing
CleaverGreene wrote:fishmike wrote:franco12 wrote:while I would love to get the pick this year, our front office might actually prefer it stays in the future because it may have more value in a trade.I'm sure if there is a player in this draft our FO wants, they will find a way to trade up/into the first round.
unless they trade Luca and go into a rebuild the value of the asset doesnt go down. If they dont drop to 11 (someone in the back moves up) we have 2 more years for that pick to convey, each year with top 10 protection. With essentially an established roster this would have been a good year to draft a project.
We dont really need more young guys or rookies... just Obi/IQ/Grimes/McBride to keep getting better. Those old centers we have also.
Are the Knick expecting Rokas Jokubaitis to compete for a spot on the Knicks next year, or will be spend another season in Europe? Not sure we'd have any minutes for him.He turns 23 in November.
Probably competing with Mcbride in summer league
Chandler wrote:Silver should punish them by giving them the last spotThat said, Silver is a stooge and will likely do nothing
don't fans hate all the major sports franchises?
What is Silvers metrics? Revenue? Franchise Value? Attendance?
Fans satisfaction? Its measured by viewership, attendance, and sponsorship's.
My level of satisfaction for Dallas to be punished and we get our pick. This is a knick fan perspective.
Dallas fan who bought tickets should be pissed. Taking away the pick further damages them?
To not is to reward Cuban.
Silver is paid $10mil a year to take the heat for the league. Manford, Goodall and Bettman are also booed by fans often.
Again, he works for the owners, not the fans. He has to protect the game and its integrity. Thus, its a tough job.
NBA will investigate this and perhaps we should be patient but I agree a nuclear punishment is not likely.
TPercy wrote:CleaverGreene wrote:fishmike wrote:franco12 wrote:while I would love to get the pick this year, our front office might actually prefer it stays in the future because it may have more value in a trade.I'm sure if there is a player in this draft our FO wants, they will find a way to trade up/into the first round.
unless they trade Luca and go into a rebuild the value of the asset doesnt go down. If they dont drop to 11 (someone in the back moves up) we have 2 more years for that pick to convey, each year with top 10 protection. With essentially an established roster this would have been a good year to draft a project.
We dont really need more young guys or rookies... just Obi/IQ/Grimes/McBride to keep getting better. Those old centers we have also.
Are the Knick expecting Rokas Jokubaitis to compete for a spot on the Knicks next year, or will be spend another season in Europe? Not sure we'd have any minutes for him.He turns 23 in November.
Probably competing with Mcbride in summer league
That would be great! Love to see this kid play and what he does.
I bet they can swing a Kryie for Russel and Vanderbilt deal.
MS wrote:I bet they can swing a Kryie for Russel and Vanderbilt deal.
Russell and Kyrie are free agents? can they do that? Why do that if the don't have to?
Just did the tankathon sim four times.
Dallas got picks #1,2 on two turns and stayed in place at #10 twice.
Someone needs to hack that website and burn its creators at the stake for this witchcraft.
