Soooo... What would you guys think about two unprotected firsts and the Washington pick for Zach Lavine?
Well that was pretty much what I expected
Very disappointing loss cause it's Christmas and now I'm in a pissy mood. We actually played so well in that first half! Loved how we came out to start. Like we were still angry about the loss to Chicago. Randle out blazing and just dominated whoever they tried to guard him with. Brunson was also dominating and getting guys involved. Robinson was defending Embiid well when the zebras let him. Grimes tried against Harden but nothing you can do when the zebras call touch fouls on step backs. He's also gotta start hitting that open three more consistently. He has such a nice form, no excuse not to hit over 40% from there.
Went up 14 and held on for awhile. Melton kept them in the game with his threes in the first half. But kind of sensed something bad was coming when Melton hit that halfcourt three to cut it down to 1. Give Philly credit. They know their strengths and know the zebras are in their corner on national TV. Was fully expecting them to have a 10+ FT attempts edge coming in. Embiid is super talented. Robinson had some nice stops but you're just not gonna stop a guy like him. And Harden was just Harden. Made some logo range threes and got Niang and others open looks. I hate his game with a passion but he gets the job done for this team.
That's now 3 losses in a row after a 8 game win streak. We're going away from what got us that win streak to begin with. I know Philly is an almost impossible team to defend on national TV with their two stars but you just cannot surrender 119 points on 52% shooting and 18/39 from three. Especially allowing a scrub like Niang to hit four threes in the fourth quarter! 
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1 2 3 4 T
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PHI 25 35 35 24 119
NY 37 26 33 16 112STARTERS MINS PTS FG 3PT FT OFF DEF REB AST TO STL BLK PF +/-
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D. Melton G 27 15 5-8 5-7 0-0 1 2 3 1 1 1 0 5 -2
J. Harden G 43 29 7-16 5-11 10-11 0 4 4 13 1 4 1 3 10
T. Harris F 36 8 4-10 0-5 0-0 0 6 6 2 0 0 0 1 -5
P. Tucker F 23 6 2-2 1-1 1-1 0 1 1 1 0 0 0 2 0
J. Embiid C 33 35 12-22 1-2 10-15 3 5 8 1 3 0 0 3 -6
BENCH MINS PTS FG 3PT FT OFF DEF REB AST TO STL BLK PF +/-
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S. Milton 23 8 3-5 2-2 0-0 1 2 3 1 0 0 0 1 9
G. Niang 22 16 6-11 4-9 0-0 0 2 2 0 1 0 1 3 17
M. Harrell 14 2 0-2 0-1 2-2 0 4 4 1 0 0 0 0 13
D. House Jr. 10 0 0-1 0-1 0-0 0 1 1 1 0 0 0 1 0
M. Thybulle 3 0 0-0 0-0 0-0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 -1
J. Springer DNP - - - - - - - - - - - - -
P. Reed DNP - - - - - - - - - - - - -
F. Korkmaz DNP - - - - - - - - - - - - -
STARTERS MINS PTS FG 3PT FT OFF DEF REB AST TO STL BLK PF +/-
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J. Brunson G 35 23 10-19 2-5 1-2 0 3 3 11 1 0 0 2 -7
Q. Grimes G 38 10 4-9 2-7 0-0 2 1 3 6 1 1 1 4 -4
J. Randle F 40 35 12-24 4-9 7-7 1 7 8 4 1 2 1 1 5
R. Barrett F 42 17 6-21 2-6 3-4 0 10 10 4 2 0 0 3 -4
M. Robinson C 28 10 4-5 0-0 2-2 7 9 16 4 1 1 3 3 12
BENCH MINS PTS FG 3PT FT OFF DEF REB AST TO STL BLK PF +/-
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I. Quickley 21 11 4-7 2-5 1-2 0 1 1 1 1 0 1 1 0
I. Hartenstein 14 2 1-2 0-0 0-0 0 1 1 0 1 0 0 1 -15
J. Sims 12 4 2-2 0-0 0-0 2 2 4 0 0 0 0 4 -16
M. McBride 5 0 0-1 0-0 0-0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 -6
D. Rose DNP - - - - - - - - - - - - -
C. Reddish DNP - - - - - - - - - - - - -
R. Arcidiacono DNP - - - - - - - - - - - - -
S. Mykhailiuk DNP - - - - - - - - - - - - -
E. Fournier DNP - - - - - - - - - - - - -
It's time to bring Rose back into the rotation.
BigDaddyG wrote:Soooo... What would you guys think about two unprotected firsts and the Washington pick for Zach Lavine?
Adding another shoot-first/iso player to the 3 that we already have is probably not a good idea. Also, don't trust Zach's health....
A Christmas disappointment ....
The Knicks 8 game winning streak fooled me big-time, had me believing we could win games consistently having a 9 man rotation. I was dead wrong!
The talent/skills on the Knicks roster .. calls for a 10 man rotation for success in the regular season games. Tired players in the 4th quarter don't win games!
Back-up PG Deuce McBride played 6 minutes on Christmas day ..
Thibs are killing the PG (Jalen Brunson) we waited two decades to get in a half of a season.
Each game this season Thibs are giving Brunson uncalled for playing time minutes, which will lead to Brunson getting injured before the midseason games.
Brunson talent/skills are a winning playmaker/closer for only 27 to 30 minutes a game.
Forcing Brunson to play 37 to 40 minutes each night, when we have D.Rose and McBride should be a NBA felony to get Thibs Fired asap
The 76ers Doc Rivers let us Knicks have our way the first three quarters of the game keeping our Knicks lead under double digits for 3 qtr.
In the 4th quarter the 76ers shut down our offense and squeeze pass our defense for stretches throughout the final quarter with ease, letting us Knicks only score 16 points in the final quarter of the Christmas game.
Uptown wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:Soooo... What would you guys think about two unprotected firsts and the Washington pick for Zach Lavine?
Adding another shoot-first/iso player to the 3 that we already have is probably not a good idea. Also, don't trust Zach's health....
I mean, we came up short, but I don't know that more offense would necessarily won the game for us.
We needed RJ to hit 2-3 more shots.
Feels like he is overplaying the starting 5. Just need to give the second unit a little more time. Get these guys a breather. They are showing that they can have with the best rotations in the league. Just falter in the second half.
Clean wrote:
Not the COY and defensive GURU getting called out about his defense? Say it ain’t so!
Grimes had one play on defense where he over helped baseline and left his man wide open, even though when I watched the rewind, RJ was coming to help baseline. Grimes had a lot of mental errors on defense. Or overall lack of communication on defense. RJ should yell at grimes I GOT HIM.
Another moral victory I guess. We show that we can blowout weak teams and get moral victories against good team. That’s MEDIOCRITY at its FINEST!
blkexec wrote:
Another moral victory I guess. We show that we can blowout weak teams and get moral victories against good team. That’s MEDIOCRITY at its FINEST!
I am almost tempted to watch the game to find out what a moral victory looks like.
3 in a row going on 4
Time for another streak
Gotta have balance right?
Win 8 now lose 2 going on 8 🤣
Gotta laugh so U don’t see me cry.
And we wondered why Vegas didn’t believe.
We too fragile of a team or franchise to sustain anything positive. Now we have to stop the skidding or we might slide out the playoffs.
Uptown wrote:franco12 wrote:Uptown wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:Soooo... What would you guys think about two unprotected firsts and the Washington pick for Zach Lavine?
Adding another shoot-first/iso player to the 3 that we already have is probably not a good idea. Also, don't trust Zach's health....
I mean, we came up short, but I don't know that more offense would necessarily won the game for us.
We needed RJ to hit 2-3 more shots.
Or...get 2-3 more stops
Exactly. We don’t have offensive superstars or all stars. So until then, our offense will ALWAYS be inconsistent which is why I preach defense. That’s the only thing we can be consistent at. And that’s why we lose game. Defensive inconsistency
Deuce McBride for example is a roll player that doesn’t bring a lot of offense.
Most teams either has a bonifide offensive star or a starting unit with two or more player on the level defensively as deuce.
We need to get some wins on the defensive end or this will continue to be an up and down season like in the past.
When you build around 3 offensive players, your team will be volatile.
When you have a coach that plays his entire starting 5 of offensive players heavy mins. You get tired legs and start missing shots and free throws in crunch time. Because they win based on the offensive performance of the big 3.
So we are built on the backs of 3 offensive players. We go how they go. Personally I would never build a team around 3 offense players (unless they were superstars or all stars) but that’s what we have and why we are currently mediocre.
I think we have players who can have an all star game. But not consistent enough on offense. All 3 have to find a roll like bron, wade and bosh did. Bosh had to step down from his offense and contribute on defense.
Uptown wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:Soooo... What would you guys think about two unprotected firsts and the Washington pick for Zach Lavine?
Adding another shoot-first/iso player to the 3 that we already have is probably not a good idea. Also, don't trust Zach's health....
Agree. Been saying all year... main issue with us has been that our big three go to "do it yourself" mode when we get close or play good teams. Especially JB and RJ. We stayed away from it most of the game yesterday but if you watch the game from when we went down 3, you will see RJ and JB go into it bad. Love that we have JB, but concern was that he is a pound the ball/ shoot first PG. Not really best with RJ and Randle. Do have to mention, that despite good game from RJ against the bulls, he has the MOST tunnel vision of the three. Kid misses everyone on drives. JB is a close second. Which is not since he is the PG and has a bigger responsibility to make the right play.
Hopefully they can improve sharing the ball because they are talented scorers and have potential to improve their already high level.
HofstraBBall wrote:Uptown wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:Soooo... What would you guys think about two unprotected firsts and the Washington pick for Zach Lavine?
Adding another shoot-first/iso player to the 3 that we already have is probably not a good idea. Also, don't trust Zach's health....
Agree. Been saying all year... main issue with us has been that our big three go to "do it yourself" mode when we get close or play good teams. Especially JB and RJ. We stayed away from it most of the game yesterday but if you watch the game from when we went down 3, you will see RJ and JB go into it bad. Love that we have JB, but concern was that he is a pound the ball/ shoot first PG. Not really best with RJ and Randle. Do have to mention, that despite good game from RJ against the bulls, he has the MOST tunnel vision of the three. Kid misses everyone on drives. JB is a close second. Which is not since he is the PG and has a bigger responsibility to make the right play.
Hopefully they can improve sharing the ball because they are talented scorers and have potential to improve their already high level.
I think this team has a myriad of problems, but the last few games highlight how matchup dependent our mid 3 is on offense. We don't have a guy who can get his shot anytime, anywhere on the court. I'm not the biggest Lavine fan, but I'm starting to talk myself into him. He's slowly rounding himself into shape. When he's normal, he's a guy who can get a shot off regardless of who's guarding him. His problem in Chicago isn't that he can't blend in with Derozan. He did it fine last year with good efficiency. His issue is that the Bulls don't have a floor general like JB and they're defensively impaired.
BigDaddyG wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:Uptown wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:Soooo... What would you guys think about two unprotected firsts and the Washington pick for Zach Lavine?
Adding another shoot-first/iso player to the 3 that we already have is probably not a good idea. Also, don't trust Zach's health....
Agree. Been saying all year... main issue with us has been that our big three go to "do it yourself" mode when we get close or play good teams. Especially JB and RJ. We stayed away from it most of the game yesterday but if you watch the game from when we went down 3, you will see RJ and JB go into it bad. Love that we have JB, but concern was that he is a pound the ball/ shoot first PG. Not really best with RJ and Randle. Do have to mention, that despite good game from RJ against the bulls, he has the MOST tunnel vision of the three. Kid misses everyone on drives. JB is a close second. Which is not since he is the PG and has a bigger responsibility to make the right play.
Hopefully they can improve sharing the ball because they are talented scorers and have potential to improve their already high level.
I think this team has a myriad of problems, but the last few games highlight how matchup dependent our mid 3 is on offense. We don't have a guy who can get his shot anytime, anywhere on the court. I'm not the biggest Lavine fan, but I'm starting to talk myself into him. He's slowly rounding himself into shape. When he's normal, he's a guy who can get a shot off regardless of who's guarding. His problem in Chicago isn't that he can't blend in with Derozan. He did it fine last year with good efficiency. His issue is that the Bulls don't have a floor general like JB and their defensively impaired.
Agree about Bulls needing Ball/PG to facilitate.
There theri defense is not that badly rated.
There has been talk of Lavine wanting out because of fit with DeRozan.
I like Lavine but feel he does not blend well with what we have. If you are taking RJ out of the equation,imo, Lavine is slightly better player but at twice the price. That move also does not take away the fit issues. Mainly three guys that need a lot of shots
If you take away Randle, who does the heavy rebounding, guard bigger PFs and does the bullying down
Inside on offense?
You take away JB and we are back to Knicks problems for the last two decades.
Would rather see a wing that can defend and shoot the three and move RJ to the SG. We did well with that two years ago and now have a true PG and more experienced RJ and MR.
BigDaddyG wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:Uptown wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:Soooo... What would you guys think about two unprotected firsts and the Washington pick for Zach Lavine?
Adding another shoot-first/iso player to the 3 that we already have is probably not a good idea. Also, don't trust Zach's health....
Agree. Been saying all year... main issue with us has been that our big three go to "do it yourself" mode when we get close or play good teams. Especially JB and RJ. We stayed away from it most of the game yesterday but if you watch the game from when we went down 3, you will see RJ and JB go into it bad. Love that we have JB, but concern was that he is a pound the ball/ shoot first PG. Not really best with RJ and Randle. Do have to mention, that despite good game from RJ against the bulls, he has the MOST tunnel vision of the three. Kid misses everyone on drives. JB is a close second. Which is not since he is the PG and has a bigger responsibility to make the right play.
Hopefully they can improve sharing the ball because they are talented scorers and have potential to improve their already high level.
I think this team has a myriad of problems, but the last few games highlight how matchup dependent our mid 3 is on offense. We don't have a guy who can get his shot anytime, anywhere on the court. I'm not the biggest Lavine fan, but I'm starting to talk myself into him. He's slowly rounding himself into shape. When he's normal, he's a guy who can get a shot off regardless of who's guarding him. His problem in Chicago isn't that he can't blend in with Derozan. He did it fine last year with good efficiency. His issue is that the Bulls don't have a floor general like JB and they're defensively impaired.
Don't do it. Lavine will become an albatross contract sooner or later, and that knee aint gonna magically get less dependent on for an athlete who has relied on athletisism. Less defense than RJ although flashier on O.
No quick fixes. Let Grimes get his touches and watch him grow.
Knicks gonna use those draft picks and one of RJ, Randle to get a real piece, not a fake #2 type player on the downside from where he once was.
HofstraBBall wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:Uptown wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:Soooo... What would you guys think about two unprotected firsts and the Washington pick for Zach Lavine?
Adding another shoot-first/iso player to the 3 that we already have is probably not a good idea. Also, don't trust Zach's health....
Agree. Been saying all year... main issue with us has been that our big three go to "do it yourself" mode when we get close or play good teams. Especially JB and RJ. We stayed away from it most of the game yesterday but if you watch the game from when we went down 3, you will see RJ and JB go into it bad. Love that we have JB, but concern was that he is a pound the ball/ shoot first PG. Not really best with RJ and Randle. Do have to mention, that despite good game from RJ against the bulls, he has the MOST tunnel vision of the three. Kid misses everyone on drives. JB is a close second. Which is not since he is the PG and has a bigger responsibility to make the right play.
Hopefully they can improve sharing the ball because they are talented scorers and have potential to improve their already high level.
I think this team has a myriad of problems, but the last few games highlight how matchup dependent our mid 3 is on offense. We don't have a guy who can get his shot anytime, anywhere on the court. I'm not the biggest Lavine fan, but I'm starting to talk myself into him. He's slowly rounding himself into shape. When he's normal, he's a guy who can get a shot off regardless of who's guarding. His problem in Chicago isn't that he can't blend in with Derozan. He did it fine last year with good efficiency. His issue is that the Bulls don't have a floor general like JB and their defensively impaired.
Agree about Bulls needing Ball/PG to facilitate.
There theri defense is not that badly rated.
There has been talk of Lavine wanting out because of fit with DeRozan.
I like Lavine but feel he does not blend well with what we have. If you are taking RJ out of the equation,imo, Lavine is slightly better player but at twice the price. That move also does not take away the fit issues. Mainly three guys that need a lot of shots
If you take away Randle, who does the heavy rebounding, guard bigger PFs and does the bullying down
Inside on offense?
You take away JB and we are back to Knicks problems for the last two decades.
Would rather see a wing that can defend and shoot the three and move RJ to the SG. We did well with that two years ago and now have a true PG and more experienced RJ and MR.
Agree the team could use a wing like OG, but OG isn't really a creator. You'd still need a star. As for the Bulls rumors, I'm hearing a hodgepodge of things at this point that need to investigated. Like I said, the offense was able to blend pretty well when Lonzo was healthy
Bulls need Alec Burks!
Last thing I want is to see Lavine 3 years down the road with his stupid ass contract while RJ is only 25 years old.
I did not catch 2nd half but it was fun seeing Sims on Harden in first half.
Fun seeing Randle kicking ass!
RJ seemed to be on his way to a good game. Seemed they were intent on stopping him and let Randle beat them alone.
Defense on Embiid was very good until Mitch got his 3rd foul.
Harden and Embiid enroute to HOF.
Fan reactions? JB goes out with injury in 3rd, we lose game, trade RJ and picks for Lavine and thats the plan?
Kemet lied and said he'd not watch. Acts like the win streak was a form of deception. Knicks toy with his emotions like a middle school teenager in love.
