Wow. Knicks win. Tied for the 6th seed. Julius in the all star conversation.
Randle Hate in full bloom.
ToddTT wrote:
EAST W L PCT GB HOME AWAY PPG OPPG DIFF STRK L10
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0 Boston 26 12 .684% - 15-5 11-7 118.6 113.3 5.2 L2 5-5
1 Brooklyn 25 12 .676% 0.5 13-5 12-7 115.2 110.8 4.4 W12 10-0
2 Milwaukee 24 13 .649% 1.5 16-4 8-9 112.7 110.8 2.0 W1 4-6
3 Cleveland 25 14 .641% 1.5 18-4 7-10 111.6 106.4 5.2 W3 7-3
4 Philadelphia 23 14 .622% 2.5 16-5 7-9 112.6 108.7 3.9 W3 8-2
5 New York 21 18 .538% 5.5 10-10 11-8 114.2 111.4 2.8 W3 5-5
6 Indiana 21 18 .538% 5.5 13-7 8-11 115.8 116.1 -0.3 L1 6-4
7 Miami 20 18 .526% 6 11-8 9-10 109.0 109.4 -0.4 W2 7-3
8 Atlanta 17 20 .459% 8.5 11-8 6-12 115.2 116.2 -1.0 L4 3-7
9 Washington 17 22 .436% 9.5 10-7 7-15 112.1 112.7 -0.6 L1 6-4
10 Chicago 16 21 .432% 9.5 9-9 7-12 114.3 115.6 -1.3 L2 5-5
11 Toronto 16 21 .432% 9.5 11-8 5-13 111.4 111.5 -0.1 L1 3-7
12 Orlando 14 24 .368% 12 10-11 4-13 110.2 114.0 -3.8 W1 6-4
13 Charlotte 10 29 .256% 16.5 5-14 5-15 111.3 118.4 -7.2 L3 3-7
14 Detroit 10 30 .250% 17 5-13 5-17 111.6 118.9 -7.3 L1 2-8 WEST W L PCT GB HOME AWAY PPG OPPG DIFF STRK L10
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0 Denver 24 13 .649% - 14-3 10-10 116.4 114.5 1.9 L1 7-3
1 Memphis 24 13 .649% - 15-3 9-10 115.9 111.0 4.9 W4 6-4
2 New Orleans 23 14 .622% 1 16-4 7-10 117.4 113.0 4.5 L2 5-5
3 Dallas 22 16 .579% 2.5 15-5 7-11 112.6 110.3 2.3 W7 8-2
4 Sacramento 20 16 .556% 3.5 11-7 9-9 117.9 116.7 1.3 W1 6-4
5 L.A. Clippers 21 18 .538% 4 11-8 10-10 109.5 109.4 0.1 L3 5-5
6 Portland 19 17 .528% 4.5 9-6 10-11 112.9 112.0 0.9 W1 5-5
7 Golden State 20 18 .526% 4.5 17-2 3-16 117.1 117.5 -0.4 W5 6-4
8 Phoenix 20 19 .513% 5 14-5 6-14 113.5 111.2 2.4 L4 3-7
9 Utah 19 21 .475% 6.5 12-7 7-14 117.2 116.6 0.6 L5 3-7
10 Minnesota 17 21 .447% 7.5 10-9 7-12 114.7 115.8 -1.1 W1 4-6
11 L.A. Lakers 16 21 .432% 8 8-8 8-13 116.1 117.6 -1.5 W2 5-5
12 Oklahoma City 16 22 .421% 8.5 11-9 5-13 116.1 117.1 -1.0 L1 5-5
13 San Antonio 12 26 .316% 12.5 7-13 5-13 111.7 120.9 -9.2 L3 3-7
14 Houston 10 27 .270% 14 6-12 4-15 109.3 115.7 -6.4 L4 1-9
The good news? The Wizard's pick is still in play. Let's go KP!
Pop might discuss this play with his team.
Quentin Grimes interviews at the same speed that he plays.
BigDaddyG wrote:ToddTT wrote:
EAST W L PCT GB HOME AWAY PPG OPPG DIFF STRK L10
-------- -- -- ----- ---- ----- ----- ----- ----- ---- ---- ----
0 Boston 26 12 .684% - 15-5 11-7 118.6 113.3 5.2 L2 5-5
1 Brooklyn 25 12 .676% 0.5 13-5 12-7 115.2 110.8 4.4 W12 10-0
2 Milwaukee 24 13 .649% 1.5 16-4 8-9 112.7 110.8 2.0 W1 4-6
3 Cleveland 25 14 .641% 1.5 18-4 7-10 111.6 106.4 5.2 W3 7-3
4 Philadelphia 23 14 .622% 2.5 16-5 7-9 112.6 108.7 3.9 W3 8-2
5 New York 21 18 .538% 5.5 10-10 11-8 114.2 111.4 2.8 W3 5-5
6 Indiana 21 18 .538% 5.5 13-7 8-11 115.8 116.1 -0.3 L1 6-4
7 Miami 20 18 .526% 6 11-8 9-10 109.0 109.4 -0.4 W2 7-3
8 Atlanta 17 20 .459% 8.5 11-8 6-12 115.2 116.2 -1.0 L4 3-7
9 Washington 17 22 .436% 9.5 10-7 7-15 112.1 112.7 -0.6 L1 6-4
10 Chicago 16 21 .432% 9.5 9-9 7-12 114.3 115.6 -1.3 L2 5-5
11 Toronto 16 21 .432% 9.5 11-8 5-13 111.4 111.5 -0.1 L1 3-7
12 Orlando 14 24 .368% 12 10-11 4-13 110.2 114.0 -3.8 W1 6-4
13 Charlotte 10 29 .256% 16.5 5-14 5-15 111.3 118.4 -7.2 L3 3-7
14 Detroit 10 30 .250% 17 5-13 5-17 111.6 118.9 -7.3 L1 2-8 WEST W L PCT GB HOME AWAY PPG OPPG DIFF STRK L10
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0 Denver 24 13 .649% - 14-3 10-10 116.4 114.5 1.9 L1 7-3
1 Memphis 24 13 .649% - 15-3 9-10 115.9 111.0 4.9 W4 6-4
2 New Orleans 23 14 .622% 1 16-4 7-10 117.4 113.0 4.5 L2 5-5
3 Dallas 22 16 .579% 2.5 15-5 7-11 112.6 110.3 2.3 W7 8-2
4 Sacramento 20 16 .556% 3.5 11-7 9-9 117.9 116.7 1.3 W1 6-4
5 L.A. Clippers 21 18 .538% 4 11-8 10-10 109.5 109.4 0.1 L3 5-5
6 Portland 19 17 .528% 4.5 9-6 10-11 112.9 112.0 0.9 W1 5-5
7 Golden State 20 18 .526% 4.5 17-2 3-16 117.1 117.5 -0.4 W5 6-4
8 Phoenix 20 19 .513% 5 14-5 6-14 113.5 111.2 2.4 L4 3-7
9 Utah 19 21 .475% 6.5 12-7 7-14 117.2 116.6 0.6 L5 3-7
10 Minnesota 17 21 .447% 7.5 10-9 7-12 114.7 115.8 -1.1 W1 4-6
11 L.A. Lakers 16 21 .432% 8 8-8 8-13 116.1 117.6 -1.5 W2 5-5
12 Oklahoma City 16 22 .421% 8.5 11-9 5-13 116.1 117.1 -1.0 L1 5-5
13 San Antonio 12 26 .316% 12.5 7-13 5-13 111.7 120.9 -9.2 L3 3-7
14 Houston 10 27 .270% 14 6-12 4-15 109.3 115.7 -6.4 L4 1-9
The good news? The Wizard's pick is still in play. Let's go KP!
Either we are outperforming on the road or underperforming at home- but our road record is indicative of a much better top 3 team.
Nice that knicks came out with the win. Julius hustling on defense was great to see
Also appreciated Tood’s very funny posts. Laughed out loud more than once
Randle goes one 1-8 from three and Grimes goes 3-5. I know Randle is above criticism on this forum so I won't point to the obvious. But Grimes needs more shots when he's hitting.
good win. Doesnt always have to be pretty. Nice to survive a gross Randle shooting night.
Starters have very good chemistry and we arent getting any push from the bench. McBride was -10 tonight in 10 minutes. This how you your starters end up playing 40 minutes. I do think IQ's time starting should help and when he goes back to bench maybe that's out pop
10-10 at home and +3 on the road. 21-18 and sticking with the young guys, its great.
BigDaddyG wrote:Randle goes one 1-8 from three and Grimes goes 3-5. I know Randle is above criticism on this forum so I won't point to the obvious. But Grimes needs more shots when he's hitting.
Good post.
Been saying all year Randle needs to cut down on threes. May be cuz his job is to keep middle open when JB has it going but no reason to take so many contested threes.
Grimes needs more set plays where we get him running through picks. Feel he will be good at either hitting the three or taking advantage of the chasing defender.
Alpha1971 wrote:I watch the games MSG thru FUBU and the service is usually terrible. Anyone have problems with MSG on FUBU ?
I got FuboTV too and it's always 100% for me.
martin wrote:Alpha1971 wrote:I watch the games MSG thru FUBU and the service is usually terrible. Anyone have problems with MSG on FUBU ?
I got FuboTV too and it's always 100% for me.
Oh, it occurs to me just now that maybe FUBU and Fubo are not the same?
The wild thing about the standings to me?
The Knicks literally GAVE away 3 games in the past couple of weeks. The Dallas game was just a fluke and then you had 2 other games fairly recently where Brunson, Grimes and was it Randle that missed late game FTs, like repeatedly. Super, easy fixable stuff long term.
They would be 24-15. Like, solidly in the top 4 range for each conference. Above Philly in East and above Dallas in West. Wild.
Your record is what your record is, but the Knicks are doing this with all their young kids playing and making really fixable stuff 
ToddTT wrote:
EAST W L PCT GB HOME AWAY PPG OPPG DIFF STRK L10
-------- -- -- ----- ---- ----- ----- ----- ----- ---- ---- ----
0 Boston 26 12 .684% - 15-5 11-7 118.6 113.3 5.2 L2 5-5
1 Brooklyn 25 12 .676% 0.5 13-5 12-7 115.2 110.8 4.4 W12 10-0
2 Milwaukee 24 13 .649% 1.5 16-4 8-9 112.7 110.8 2.0 W1 4-6
3 Cleveland 25 14 .641% 1.5 18-4 7-10 111.6 106.4 5.2 W3 7-3
4 Philadelphia 23 14 .622% 2.5 16-5 7-9 112.6 108.7 3.9 W3 8-2
5 New York 21 18 .538% 5.5 10-10 11-8 114.2 111.4 2.8 W3 5-5
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6 Indiana 21 18 .538% 5.5 13-7 8-11 115.8 116.1 -0.3 L1 6-4
7 Miami 20 18 .526% 6 11-8 9-10 109.0 109.4 -0.4 W2 7-3
8 Atlanta 17 20 .459% 8.5 11-8 6-12 115.2 116.2 -1.0 L4 3-7 WEST W L PCT GB HOME AWAY PPG OPPG DIFF STRK L10
-------- -- -- ----- ---- ----- ----- ----- ----- ---- ---- ----
0 Denver 24 13 .649% - 14-3 10-10 116.4 114.5 1.9 L1 7-3
1 Memphis 24 13 .649% - 15-3 9-10 115.9 111.0 4.9 W4 6-4
2 New Orleans 23 14 .622% 1 16-4 7-10 117.4 113.0 4.5 L2 5-5
3 Dallas 22 16 .579% 2.5 15-5 7-11 112.6 110.3 2.3 W7 8-2
4 Sacramento 20 16 .556% 3.5 11-7 9-9 117.9 116.7 1.3 W1 6-4
5 L.A. Clippers 21 18 .538% 4 11-8 10-10 109.5 109.4 0.1 L3 5-5
6 Portland 19 17 .528% 4.5 9-6 10-11 112.9 112.0 0.9 W1 5-5
7 Golden State 20 18 .526% 4.5 17-2 3-16 117.1 117.5 -0.4 W5 6-4
8 Phoenix 20 19 .513% 5 14-5 6-14 113.5 111.2 2.4 L4 3-7
Alpha1971 wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:Alpha1971 wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:We need Mitch to stay on the court. What a difference when he is not in.
Hearts needs to be traded play Simms and Obi
His defensive numbers are strong. Allegedly.
Does Martin like Heart ?
I do but he has definitely not played well.
Right now, a guy like Hart doesn't have the counting stats and it's readily obvious when he does not do well, and it's often.
He is really good in space. On offense and defense. He is a great help defender and can do the same on offense but the Knicks are not utilizing him that way right now - they tried it in the preseason and it didn't work. IMO the Knicks are still learning basic stuff and getting used to playing with Brunson and turning over the ball to IQ with the bench (IQ is more important to the Knicks from a team perspective - contract, ease of offense, etc). I'd expect Hart to have more passing chances next year, this year was just too soon for a team still trying to figure out IQ, Grimes, Brunson, McBride, RJ, Randle and the like.
martin wrote:The wild thing about the standings to me?The Knicks literally GAVE away 3 games in the past couple of weeks. The Dallas game was just a fluke and then you had 2 other games fairly recently where Brunson, Grimes and was it Randle that missed late game FTs, like repeatedly. Super, easy fixable stuff long term.
They would be 24-15. Like, solidly in the top 4 range for each conference. Above Philly in East and above Dallas in West. Wild.
Your record is what your record it, but the Knicks are doing this with all their young kids playing and making really fixable stuff
ToddTT wrote:
EAST W L PCT GB HOME AWAY PPG OPPG DIFF STRK L10
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0 Boston 26 12 .684% - 15-5 11-7 118.6 113.3 5.2 L2 5-5
1 Brooklyn 25 12 .676% 0.5 13-5 12-7 115.2 110.8 4.4 W12 10-0
2 Milwaukee 24 13 .649% 1.5 16-4 8-9 112.7 110.8 2.0 W1 4-6
3 Cleveland 25 14 .641% 1.5 18-4 7-10 111.6 106.4 5.2 W3 7-3
4 Philadelphia 23 14 .622% 2.5 16-5 7-9 112.6 108.7 3.9 W3 8-2
5 New York 21 18 .538% 5.5 10-10 11-8 114.2 111.4 2.8 W3 5-5
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6 Indiana 21 18 .538% 5.5 13-7 8-11 115.8 116.1 -0.3 L1 6-4
7 Miami 20 18 .526% 6 11-8 9-10 109.0 109.4 -0.4 W2 7-3
8 Atlanta 17 20 .459% 8.5 11-8 6-12 115.2 116.2 -1.0 L4 3-7 WEST W L PCT GB HOME AWAY PPG OPPG DIFF STRK L10
-------- -- -- ----- ---- ----- ----- ----- ----- ---- ---- ----
0 Denver 24 13 .649% - 14-3 10-10 116.4 114.5 1.9 L1 7-3
1 Memphis 24 13 .649% - 15-3 9-10 115.9 111.0 4.9 W4 6-4
2 New Orleans 23 14 .622% 1 16-4 7-10 117.4 113.0 4.5 L2 5-5
3 Dallas 22 16 .579% 2.5 15-5 7-11 112.6 110.3 2.3 W7 8-2
4 Sacramento 20 16 .556% 3.5 11-7 9-9 117.9 116.7 1.3 W1 6-4
5 L.A. Clippers 21 18 .538% 4 11-8 10-10 109.5 109.4 0.1 L3 5-5
6 Portland 19 17 .528% 4.5 9-6 10-11 112.9 112.0 0.9 W1 5-5
7 Golden State 20 18 .526% 4.5 17-2 3-16 117.1 117.5 -0.4 W5 6-4
8 Phoenix 20 19 .513% 5 14-5 6-14 113.5 111.2 2.4 L4 3-7
The Knicks are probably where they're supposed to be in the rankings based on point differential. I haven't watched Indiana much this season, but it looks they've had a lot of luck along the way. Of be surprised if they keep it up, but people said the same thing about the Knicks the last playoff season. Also surprised at how low Milwaukee's differential. The Freak is going pedal to the metal and you gotta wonder how much he has left in the tank at seasons end. Same thing goes for Luka and Jokic.
BigDaddyG wrote:martin wrote:The wild thing about the standings to me?The Knicks literally GAVE away 3 games in the past couple of weeks. The Dallas game was just a fluke and then you had 2 other games fairly recently where Brunson, Grimes and was it Randle that missed late game FTs, like repeatedly. Super, easy fixable stuff long term.
They would be 24-15. Like, solidly in the top 4 range for each conference. Above Philly in East and above Dallas in West. Wild.
Your record is what your record it, but the Knicks are doing this with all their young kids playing and making really fixable stuff
ToddTT wrote:
EAST W L PCT GB HOME AWAY PPG OPPG DIFF STRK L10
-------- -- -- ----- ---- ----- ----- ----- ----- ---- ---- ----
0 Boston 26 12 .684% - 15-5 11-7 118.6 113.3 5.2 L2 5-5
1 Brooklyn 25 12 .676% 0.5 13-5 12-7 115.2 110.8 4.4 W12 10-0
2 Milwaukee 24 13 .649% 1.5 16-4 8-9 112.7 110.8 2.0 W1 4-6
3 Cleveland 25 14 .641% 1.5 18-4 7-10 111.6 106.4 5.2 W3 7-3
4 Philadelphia 23 14 .622% 2.5 16-5 7-9 112.6 108.7 3.9 W3 8-2
5 New York 21 18 .538% 5.5 10-10 11-8 114.2 111.4 2.8 W3 5-5
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6 Indiana 21 18 .538% 5.5 13-7 8-11 115.8 116.1 -0.3 L1 6-4
7 Miami 20 18 .526% 6 11-8 9-10 109.0 109.4 -0.4 W2 7-3
8 Atlanta 17 20 .459% 8.5 11-8 6-12 115.2 116.2 -1.0 L4 3-7 WEST W L PCT GB HOME AWAY PPG OPPG DIFF STRK L10
-------- -- -- ----- ---- ----- ----- ----- ----- ---- ---- ----
0 Denver 24 13 .649% - 14-3 10-10 116.4 114.5 1.9 L1 7-3
1 Memphis 24 13 .649% - 15-3 9-10 115.9 111.0 4.9 W4 6-4
2 New Orleans 23 14 .622% 1 16-4 7-10 117.4 113.0 4.5 L2 5-5
3 Dallas 22 16 .579% 2.5 15-5 7-11 112.6 110.3 2.3 W7 8-2
4 Sacramento 20 16 .556% 3.5 11-7 9-9 117.9 116.7 1.3 W1 6-4
5 L.A. Clippers 21 18 .538% 4 11-8 10-10 109.5 109.4 0.1 L3 5-5
6 Portland 19 17 .528% 4.5 9-6 10-11 112.9 112.0 0.9 W1 5-5
7 Golden State 20 18 .526% 4.5 17-2 3-16 117.1 117.5 -0.4 W5 6-4
8 Phoenix 20 19 .513% 5 14-5 6-14 113.5 111.2 2.4 L4 3-7
The Knicks are probably where they're supposed to be in the rankings based on point differential. I haven't watched Indiana much this season, but it looks they've had a lot of luck along the way. Of be surprised if they keep it up, but people said the same thing about the Knicks the last playoff season. Also surprised at how low Milwaukee's differential. The Freak is going pedal to the metal and you gotta wonder how much he has left in the tank at seasons end. Same thing goes for Luka and Jokic.
I'm hoping in, say, 2 years Giannis gets tired and takes the year off and that top 4 protected first gets juicy 
HofstraBBall wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:Randle goes one 1-8 from three and Grimes goes 3-5. I know Randle is above criticism on this forum so I won't point to the obvious. But Grimes needs more shots when he's hitting.
Good post.
Been saying all year Randle needs to cut down on threes. May be cuz his job is to keep middle open when JB has it going but no reason to take so many contested threes.
Grimes needs more set plays where we get him running through picks. Feel he will be good at either hitting the three or taking advantage of the chasing defender.
He had a couple clanks, but sometimes it feels like Randle has the most in an outs on 3's in the league. That said he is averaging 7.6 attempts per game this year - 2 more per game than the last 2 yrs when he average around 5.5 and only making 34%. He has been quite efficient - around 56% on his 2's and getting to the 7.2 times per game- 1.2 more than his 2020 career year.
VDesai wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:Randle goes one 1-8 from three and Grimes goes 3-5. I know Randle is above criticism on this forum so I won't point to the obvious. But Grimes needs more shots when he's hitting.
Good post.
Been saying all year Randle needs to cut down on threes. May be cuz his job is to keep middle open when JB has it going but no reason to take so many contested threes.
Grimes needs more set plays where we get him running through picks. Feel he will be good at either hitting the three or taking advantage of the chasing defender.
He had a couple clanks, but sometimes it feels like Randle has the most in an outs on 3's in the league. That said he is averaging 7.6 attempts per game this year - 2 more per game than the last 2 yrs when he average around 5.5 and only making 34%. He has been quite efficient - around 56% on his 2's and getting to the 7.2 times per game- 1.2 more than his 2020 career year.
I get all of that. But he wasn't hitting last night and Grimes was. This isn't necessarily Randle's fault, but I think the team needed to do a better job or recognizing who was hitting from three. And by the team, I really mean Thibs.
BigDaddyG wrote:Randle goes one 1-8 from three and Grimes goes 3-5. I know Randle is above criticism on this forum so I won't point to the obvious. But Grimes needs more shots when he's hitting.
actually the opposite. We can survive a shit shooting night from Randle. We have other guys and he does other things.
He's obviously important but I dont feel like this is Randle's team. It's Thibs team
martin wrote:Alpha1971 wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:Alpha1971 wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:We need Mitch to stay on the court. What a difference when he is not in.
Hearts needs to be traded play Simms and Obi
His defensive numbers are strong. Allegedly.
Does Martin like Heart ?
I do but he has definitely not played well.
Right now, a guy like Hart doesn't have the counting stats and it's readily obvious when he does not do well, and it's often.
He is really good in space. On offense and defense. He is a great help defender and can do the same on offense but the Knicks are not utilizing him that way right now - they tried it in the preseason and it didn't work. IMO the Knicks are still learning basic stuff and getting used to playing with Brunson and turning over the ball to IQ with the bench (IQ is more important to the Knicks from a team perspective - contract, ease of offense, etc). I'd expect Hart to have more passing chances next year, this year was just too soon for a team still trying to figure out IQ, Grimes, Brunson, McBride, RJ, Randle and the like.
I don't think we win the game last night without the play of Sims. He might have only had 2 blocks but he altered many more shots than that when the Spurs were pretty automatic with that old man mid range game. I suspect next year Sims will pass Hart on the depth chart. I also think next year Jokubaitus will come over and supplant IQ at backup PG. Although if still on the team, IQ would play combo guard again
fishmike wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:Randle goes one 1-8 from three and Grimes goes 3-5. I know Randle is above criticism on this forum so I won't point to the obvious. But Grimes needs more shots when he's hitting.
actually the opposite. We can survive a shit shooting night from Randle. We have other guys and he does other things.He's obviously important but I dont feel like this is Randle's team. It's Thibs team
I mean, we did come close to losing and the reason for a lot of that was due to a lack of situational awareness. Also missed free throws, botched defensive assignments etc. If this Thibs team, then maybe he needs to do a better job of pointing these things out. I'm not trying to turn this into a fire Thibs thread, but these fourth quarter meltdowns have become a trend.
