Knicks · [Game Thread 1/28/23] Knicks at Nets 5:30PM (page 5)

Silver lining here, even in a game where Knicks were off all night, they still got it kinda close at the end. All joking aside, Nets look a lot more dangerous sans Simmons. That Simmons contract looks like the second worst in the league (Randle).

That’s a good team
Remember add kd
They should use Simmons as a back up center

NYKMentality wrote:

WP76 wrote:Coach K got to watch a couple of his stars but Irving clearly outshone Barrett tonight.

I wouldn't say all of that.

Kyrie Irving = 32 points off 12/27 (.444%) and 41 minutes.

R.J. Barrett = 24 Points off 9/16 (.563%) and only 31 minutes.

This is actually a game where I wish coach Thibs would've played R.J. Barrett another 10+ minutes of play while shooting another 10+ attempts; because he couldn't be stopped tonight.

Hats off to Kyrie but I loved RJs game tonight.

but look at the plus/minus because RJ's was not good.

Irving is a nut case, but can be an exceedingly great player when he seems to focus on it.

Looking at the box score- I think RJ had a good game and just about the right number of minutes.

franco12 wrote:

NYKMentality wrote:

WP76 wrote:Coach K got to watch a couple of his stars but Irving clearly outshone Barrett tonight.

I wouldn't say all of that.

Kyrie Irving = 32 points off 12/27 (.444%) and 41 minutes.

R.J. Barrett = 24 Points off 9/16 (.563%) and only 31 minutes.

This is actually a game where I wish coach Thibs would've played R.J. Barrett another 10+ minutes of play while shooting another 10+ attempts; because he couldn't be stopped tonight.

Hats off to Kyrie but I loved RJs game tonight.

but look at the plus/minus because RJ's was not good.

Irving is a nut case, but can be an exceedingly great player when he seems to focus on it.

Looking at the box score- I think RJ had a good game and just about the right number of minutes.

I saw Kyrie walking around the court at the end of the game to sign kid's jerseys. Seems like a really nice guy.

NYKMentality wrote:

Nalod wrote:

NYKMentality wrote:

martin wrote:

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Which is crazy. Because the Nets are still considered as the favorites by -1.5 Points (despite being without Ben Simmons, TJ Warren and especially Kevin Durant)?

But yet the Knicks are still considered underdogs?

Hopefully our entire roster feels disrespected (by Vegas) and come out on 🔥.

This is where teams become dangerous. They are like "phuck it"

I get what you're saying but the Nets are only 11-25 throughout the previous 2 years without Kevin Durant and 11-25 @ .305% = the opposite of a dangerous team (without KD).

They literally have a lottery team/roster without Kevin Durant (just goes to show how great he is when on the court).

Vega kind of knows it shit. So does Nalod sometimes.
I don’t predict things, but NBA got that parity thing going.
Best player on the court was motivated to make a statement.

NYKMentality wrote:The Nets have only gone 2-6 throughout their 8 games (since Kevin Durant's injury).

Big time opportunity for our Knicks to not only kick Brooklyn while they're down but to also inch closer to the 4 seed (currently 3.0 games back of BK for the #4 seed; a win today and we're only 2.0 games back of BK for the 4th seed).

Really looking forward to this game (with a chance @ winning 3-in-a-row) along with our trio of Brunson/Randle/Barrett.

Question: when has Julius ever had hair like that on the Knicks?

franco12 wrote:

NYKMentality wrote:

WP76 wrote:Coach K got to watch a couple of his stars but Irving clearly outshone Barrett tonight.

I wouldn't say all of that.

Kyrie Irving = 32 points off 12/27 (.444%) and 41 minutes.

R.J. Barrett = 24 Points off 9/16 (.563%) and only 31 minutes.

This is actually a game where I wish coach Thibs would've played R.J. Barrett another 10+ minutes of play while shooting another 10+ attempts; because he couldn't be stopped tonight.

Hats off to Kyrie but I loved RJs game tonight.

but look at the plus/minus because RJ's was not good.

Irving is a nut case, but can be an exceedingly great player when he seems to focus on it.

Looking at the box score- I think RJ had a good game and just about the right number of minutes.

Kyrie's a closer! Especially down the stretch of games.
McBride, Grimes, and Quickley are dynamic defensive stoppers on Knicks opponent's guards, but couldn't stop Kyries high scoring in the 4th quarter.

Are we ever going to beat the Nets? This was the perfect opportunity without KD and I don't think we played we enough urgency. Cannot win on the road giving up 122 points on 52% shooting and 22 threes! Randle in particular was day dreaming defensively for the entire game and was solely responsible for every three O'Neale and Watanabe hit. Just no effort from him to rotate and he kept leaving them wide open! I hate it when he plays like that!

I'm trying to be patient with Grimes but he needs to start hitting those timely threes. It seems like in all of our recent losses, he had a chance to either take the lead or cut the lead with a wide open three and he chocked. Last night we cut it down to 4 and had a chance to cut it down to 1 with a little under 2 minutes left and Grimes missed a wide open three. Frustrating!! He's currently shooting 36% which is not good enough! He needs to get that clip at 40% and above.

Give the Nets credit. As much as I dislike him, Kyrie is an elite player and closer. There is really nothing you can do to stop him when he's hitting threes from 28' and over two guys.

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I’m not sure Julius can handle distractions well… such as being mic’d up.

His head needs to be 100% in the game IMO. Any less and his stats go down.

Plus the Nets and that ****er Kyrie don’t suck.

That said, if two or three of their threes don’t drop, or the Curry flop isn’t bought, we could just as easily be celebrating.

But with the lack of urgency to start the game, we had no business expecting to win.

Man we should have easily won this game, this team plays down to its competition…. We came out with zero intensity for 3 and a half quarters… we looked like we were just going through the motions at half speed… you just can’t do that and expect to win in todays nba, we need to come out like we are playing the champs every night and have that dog mentality that we’re coming at you 100 and 10 percent every game try and stop us. If we played with the same intensity that we played with vs the Cavs and Celtics we win this game easily. This loss is solely blamed on effort and intensity esp our defensive intensity for 3 and a half quarters which was non existent. This loss is on the players they have to match their intensity they had vs Boston in every game … I saw the same lack of intensity in our recent 4game loosing streak . This team needs to get on board with giving it there all, they played like they were partying till 4 am on Friday night vs the nets and maybe they were but that’s where leaders step in and make sure that doesn’t happen. No one should be partying on the night before a big game on national television.

This team played last night like they didn’t give a F U C K…. It’s time for this team to step it up.

SergioNYK wrote:Are we ever going to beat the Nets? This was the perfect opportunity without KD and I don't think we played we enough urgency. Cannot win on the road giving up 122 points on 52% shooting and 22 threes! Randle in particular was day dreaming defensively for the entire game and was solely responsible for every three O'Neale and Watanabe hit. Just no effort from him to rotate and he kept leaving them wide open! I hate it when he plays like that!

I'm trying to be patient with Grimes but he needs to start hitting those timely threes. It seems like in all of our recent losses, he had a chance to either take the lead or cut the lead with a wide open three and he chocked. Last night we cut it down to 4 and had a chance to cut it down to 1 with a little under 2 minutes left and Grimes missed a wide open three. Frustrating!! He's currently shooting 36% which is not good enough! He needs to get that clip at 40% and above.

Give the Nets credit. As much as I dislike him, Kyrie is an elite player and closer. There is really nothing you can do to stop him when he's hitting threes from 28' and over two guys.

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Panos wrote:

SergioNYK wrote:Are we ever going to beat the Nets? This was the perfect opportunity without KD and I don't think we played we enough urgency. Cannot win on the road giving up 122 points on 52% shooting and 22 threes! Randle in particular was day dreaming defensively for the entire game and was solely responsible for every three O'Neale and Watanabe hit. Just no effort from him to rotate and he kept leaving them wide open! I hate it when he plays like that!

I'm trying to be patient with Grimes but he needs to start hitting those timely threes. It seems like in all of our recent losses, he had a chance to either take the lead or cut the lead with a wide open three and he chocked. Last night we cut it down to 4 and had a chance to cut it down to 1 with a little under 2 minutes left and Grimes missed a wide open three. Frustrating!! He's currently shooting 36% which is not good enough! He needs to get that clip at 40% and above.

Give the Nets credit. As much as I dislike him, Kyrie is an elite player and closer. There is really nothing you can do to stop him when he's hitting threes from 28' and over two guys.

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I believe part of the problem is that Grimes right now looks like a 3&D guard. Who can also get to the rim if they have the lane. Not breaking down their defender with their dribble. Which most starting SGs can do. There isnt a midrange game to speak of. So if Grimes is off from 3, the defense has him bottled up. We have nights like these. Which has been too often.

Im confident that Grimes will put more tools in the toolbox, but it feels like he was promoted into the starting lineup a bit early. Still believe that letting him run the offense will help open up the rest of his game. Grimes feeds off of making great passes, and so do his teammates.

GustavBahler wrote:

Panos wrote:

SergioNYK wrote:Are we ever going to beat the Nets? This was the perfect opportunity without KD and I don't think we played we enough urgency. Cannot win on the road giving up 122 points on 52% shooting and 22 threes! Randle in particular was day dreaming defensively for the entire game and was solely responsible for every three O'Neale and Watanabe hit. Just no effort from him to rotate and he kept leaving them wide open! I hate it when he plays like that!

I'm trying to be patient with Grimes but he needs to start hitting those timely threes. It seems like in all of our recent losses, he had a chance to either take the lead or cut the lead with a wide open three and he chocked. Last night we cut it down to 4 and had a chance to cut it down to 1 with a little under 2 minutes left and Grimes missed a wide open three. Frustrating!! He's currently shooting 36% which is not good enough! He needs to get that clip at 40% and above.

Give the Nets credit. As much as I dislike him, Kyrie is an elite player and closer. There is really nothing you can do to stop him when he's hitting threes from 28' and over two guys.

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I believe part of the problem is that Grimes right now looks like a 3&D guard. Who can also get to the rim if they have the lane. Not breaking down their defender with their dribble. Which most starting SGs can do. There isnt a midrange game to speak of. So if Grimes is off from 3, the defense has him bottled up. We have nights like these. Which has been too often.

Im confident that Grimes will put more tools in the toolbox, but it feels like he was promoted into the starting lineup a bit early. Still believe that letting him run the offense will help open up the rest of his game. Grimes feeds off of making great passes, and so do his teammates.

Adding more complex things to a young player's responsibilities will help the rest of this game? I think you are vastly underestimating lots and lots of aspects of pro ball.

Grimes is a very capable passer, he does not run offenses.

Our young players often hit walls. Many in the league do this.
Might be an observation that when a player is given more on his plate he regresses then takes steps forward.
Also the yoots don’t get the hook like they used to. They are a bit more seasoned also having earned some trust.
pehraps if EF, Rose and Reddish were performing better they would get the nod. But they did not.

martin wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Panos wrote:

SergioNYK wrote:Are we ever going to beat the Nets? This was the perfect opportunity without KD and I don't think we played we enough urgency. Cannot win on the road giving up 122 points on 52% shooting and 22 threes! Randle in particular was day dreaming defensively for the entire game and was solely responsible for every three O'Neale and Watanabe hit. Just no effort from him to rotate and he kept leaving them wide open! I hate it when he plays like that!

I'm trying to be patient with Grimes but he needs to start hitting those timely threes. It seems like in all of our recent losses, he had a chance to either take the lead or cut the lead with a wide open three and he chocked. Last night we cut it down to 4 and had a chance to cut it down to 1 with a little under 2 minutes left and Grimes missed a wide open three. Frustrating!! He's currently shooting 36% which is not good enough! He needs to get that clip at 40% and above.

Give the Nets credit. As much as I dislike him, Kyrie is an elite player and closer. There is really nothing you can do to stop him when he's hitting threes from 28' and over two guys.

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I believe part of the problem is that Grimes right now looks like a 3&D guard. Who can also get to the rim if they have the lane. Not breaking down their defender with their dribble. Which most starting SGs can do. There isnt a midrange game to speak of. So if Grimes is off from 3, the defense has him bottled up. We have nights like these. Which has been too often.

Im confident that Grimes will put more tools in the toolbox, but it feels like he was promoted into the starting lineup a bit early. Still believe that letting him run the offense will help open up the rest of his game. Grimes feeds off of making great passes, and so do his teammates.

Adding more complex things to a young player's responsibilities will help the rest of this game? I think you are vastly underestimating lots and lots of aspects of pro ball.

Grimes is a very capable passer, he goes not run offenses.

Wow Martin, if you say that there is lots and lots IDK about hoops (and you do) it must be true.

"Adding complex responsibilities"

You're right Martin, look what it did for Quickley. He was pressed into running the point from his rookie season on. We're still dealing with the aftermath. Im sure Grimes having played PG in school would have only made things worse. And his passing ability would only have gone to waste.

Of course Grimes being the 37th ranked scoring SG in the league. Who doesnt have all the skills of a starting SG (yet), isnt a case of "adding complex responsibilities". Those other 36 teams have great starting SGs.

Thank you "General Puffery"

GustavBahler wrote:

martin wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Panos wrote:

SergioNYK wrote:Are we ever going to beat the Nets? This was the perfect opportunity without KD and I don't think we played we enough urgency. Cannot win on the road giving up 122 points on 52% shooting and 22 threes! Randle in particular was day dreaming defensively for the entire game and was solely responsible for every three O'Neale and Watanabe hit. Just no effort from him to rotate and he kept leaving them wide open! I hate it when he plays like that!

I'm trying to be patient with Grimes but he needs to start hitting those timely threes. It seems like in all of our recent losses, he had a chance to either take the lead or cut the lead with a wide open three and he chocked. Last night we cut it down to 4 and had a chance to cut it down to 1 with a little under 2 minutes left and Grimes missed a wide open three. Frustrating!! He's currently shooting 36% which is not good enough! He needs to get that clip at 40% and above.

Give the Nets credit. As much as I dislike him, Kyrie is an elite player and closer. There is really nothing you can do to stop him when he's hitting threes from 28' and over two guys.

This

I believe part of the problem is that Grimes right now looks like a 3&D guard. Who can also get to the rim if they have the lane. Not breaking down their defender with their dribble. Which most starting SGs can do. There isnt a midrange game to speak of. So if Grimes is off from 3, the defense has him bottled up. We have nights like these. Which has been too often.

Im confident that Grimes will put more tools in the toolbox, but it feels like he was promoted into the starting lineup a bit early. Still believe that letting him run the offense will help open up the rest of his game. Grimes feeds off of making great passes, and so do his teammates.

Adding more complex things to a young player's responsibilities will help the rest of this game? I think you are vastly underestimating lots and lots of aspects of pro ball.

Grimes is a very capable passer, he goes not run offenses.

Wow Martin, if you say that there is lots and lots IDK about hoops (and you do) it must be true.

"Adding complex responsibilities"

You're right Martin, look what it did for Quickley. He was pressed into running the point from his rookie season on. We're still dealing with the aftermath. Im sure Grimes having played PG in school would have only made things worse. And his passing ability would only have gone to waste.

Of course Grimes being the 37th ranked scoring SG in the league. Who doesnt have all the skills of a starting SG (yet), isnt a case of "adding complex responsibilities". Those other 36 teams have great starting SGs.

Thank you "General Puffery"

Perhaps you can make some comparisons to another player who benefited playing more PG to open up his game. It'll be a good example of what you mean.

IQ struggled for 2 years learning to play PG position. Making PnR reads and such is HARD no less working on the SG aspects of things, and especially so when you are essentially in your first years worth of games.

I have no idea what you are talking about in the rest of your post.