Knicks · One more lap around the block on Kyrie (page 4)
gradyandrew wrote:ESOMKnicks wrote:gradyandrew wrote:
I'm sure if the ADL can forgive the neo Nazi Azov battalion, they can make some room for Kyrie linking a movie.Lay off the RT, bro.
Citing Wikipedia to justify your Putin boycrush?
ESOMKnicks wrote:gradyandrew wrote:ESOMKnicks wrote:gradyandrew wrote:
I'm sure if the ADL can forgive the neo Nazi Azov battalion, they can make some room for Kyrie linking a movie.Lay off the RT, bro.
The movement has nothing to do with Russia or Russian bots. Really. I swear.
Philc1 wrote:SergioNYK wrote:I can't believe some of you are even entertaining this! Have some self respect! Kyrie is a team killer and the biggest clown in the league!You have to explore the possibility as remote as it is. We can offer something as good or similar to the bucket of balls(Westbrook’s expiring contract) that the nets will be getting from the lakers
And I hate Kyrie and fully agree he is a team killing narcissist
It is not going to be a costless exercise. Rumor is, the Lakes are offering first rounders, some unprotected. If Kyrie continues being a team cancer, the poisoning effect on team atmosphere could linger even he is not re-signed in the summer. And there is every single reason to believe that he will continue being a team cancer. This ain't the Spree genuine repentance/fresh start story.
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ESOMKnicks wrote:Philc1 wrote:SergioNYK wrote:I can't believe some of you are even entertaining this! Have some self respect! Kyrie is a team killer and the biggest clown in the league!You have to explore the possibility as remote as it is. We can offer something as good or similar to the bucket of balls(Westbrook’s expiring contract) that the nets will be getting from the lakers
And I hate Kyrie and fully agree he is a team killing narcissist
It is not going to be a costless exercise. Rumor is, the Lakes are offering first rounders, some unprotected. If Kyrie continues being a team cancer, the poisoning effect on team atmosphere could linger even he is not re-signed in the summer. And there is every single reason to believe that he will continue being a team cancer. This ain't the Spree genuine repentance/fresh start story.
2028 and 2029 first round picks? Lol. Jeanie Buss might be dead by then
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ESOMKnicks wrote:gradyandrew wrote:ESOMKnicks wrote:gradyandrew wrote:
I'm sure if the ADL can forgive the neo Nazi Azov battalion, they can make some room for Kyrie linking a movie.Lay off the RT, bro.
I'm sure if the ADL can recognize the successful de-radicalization of the Azov Regiment,founded by far-right football hooligans and sporting a facsimile Swastika badge, they can forgive Kyrie after linking a video and saying the following "To All Jewish families and Communities that are hurt and affected from my post, I am deeply sorry to have caused you pain, and I apologize,” Irving wrote. “I initially reacted out of emotion to being unjustly labeled Anti-Semitic, instead of focusing on the healing process of my Jewish Brothers and Sisters that were hurt from the hateful remarks made in the Documentary.
“I had no intentions to disrespect any Jewish cultural history regarding the Holocaust or perpetuate any hate. I am learning from this unfortunate event and hope we can find understanding between us all,” Irving continued.
As uncomfortable as this can sit with us, Gomza writes that the gravity of many of these symbols simply isn’t widely known in Ukraine, and can be “likely just an emblem of a successful fighting unit that protects Ukraine”, rather than a politically charged symbol
So Ukraine was the center of some of the fiercest fighting of WWII, and your article quotes this? 😂
Sure.
gradyandrew wrote:As uncomfortable as this can sit with us, Gomza writes that the gravity of many of these symbols simply isn’t widely known in Ukraine, and can be “likely just an emblem of a successful fighting unit that protects Ukraine”, rather than a politically charged symbolSo Ukraine was the center of some of the fiercest fighting of WWII, and your article quotes this? 😂
Sure.
Sorry, but I fail to see your point. It is not like the Germans left behind detailed handbooks of all their symbols for all Ukrainians to study. People in the former USSR countries today might know symbols they would commonly see in war movies - the swastika, the runic SS letters, and the war eagle - that's about it. In any case, symbols like pseudo-pagan imagery and Nordic runes common among Azov fighters are widespread in military units worldwide. Not to mention also among all sorts of other social groups like neo-pagans, metalheads, etc. Equating this aesthetic to sympathies towards Nazi Germany is incorrect.
More importantly, the article also says:
The Azov-Nazi obsession demonstrates a remarkable failure to engage with Ukrainian sources, including the experiences of its Jewish community, which has long been scathing of the Russian claim that neo-Nazim is widespread in Ukraine. Likhachev notes from that from 2014-2022 there were exactly zero reports of anti-Semitic incidents committed by Azov in Mariupol, despite the city’s sizeable Jewish community. Anti-Semitism has little resonance even among more extreme Ukrainian nationalist elements, while polling demonstrates that Ukraine is among the least anti-Semitic and xenophobic countries in central-east Europe.
Anyway, I do not want to veer further off-topic with this, I have given you what I think is a more accurate view, it is up to you what you choose to believe.
ESOMKnicks wrote:gradyandrew wrote:As uncomfortable as this can sit with us, Gomza writes that the gravity of many of these symbols simply isn’t widely known in Ukraine, and can be “likely just an emblem of a successful fighting unit that protects Ukraine”, rather than a politically charged symbolSo Ukraine was the center of some of the fiercest fighting of WWII, and your article quotes this? 😂
Sure.
Sorry, but I fail to see your point. It is not like the Germans left behind detailed handbooks of all their symbols for all Ukrainians to study. People in the former USSR countries today might know symbols they would commonly see in war movies - the swastika, the runic SS letters, and the war eagle - that's about it. In any case, symbols like pseudo-pagan imagery and Nordic runes common among Azov fighters are widespread in military units worldwide. Not to mention also among all sorts of other social groups like neo-pagans, metalheads, etc. Equating this aesthetic to sympathies towards Nazi Germany is incorrect.
More importantly, the article also says:
The Azov-Nazi obsession demonstrates a remarkable failure to engage with Ukrainian sources, including the experiences of its Jewish community, which has long been scathing of the Russian claim that neo-Nazim is widespread in Ukraine. Likhachev notes from that from 2014-2022 there were exactly zero reports of anti-Semitic incidents committed by Azov in Mariupol, despite the city’s sizeable Jewish community. Anti-Semitism has little resonance even among more extreme Ukrainian nationalist elements, while polling demonstrates that Ukraine is among the least anti-Semitic and xenophobic countries in central-east Europe.Anyway, I do not want to veer further off-topic with this, I have given you what I think is a more accurate view, it is up to you what you choose to believe.
Good points and I did learn from the article. In the end, all I was trying to say is that I don't think Kyrie's comments will really effect his trade value. Every team that wants him no more or less what they are getting.
If Kyrie can not be traded, if you’re the Nets, do you just buy him out after the deadline or let him sit out away from the team? I can see a scenario where the Nets let him sit out until he is not eligible for the playoffs and then buy him out. If they then can trade Durant in the off-season maybe they can right the ship without the drama twins. What a mess
gradyandrew wrote:ESOMKnicks wrote:gradyandrew wrote:As uncomfortable as this can sit with us, Gomza writes that the gravity of many of these symbols simply isn’t widely known in Ukraine, and can be “likely just an emblem of a successful fighting unit that protects Ukraine”, rather than a politically charged symbolSo Ukraine was the center of some of the fiercest fighting of WWII, and your article quotes this? 😂
Sure.
Sorry, but I fail to see your point. It is not like the Germans left behind detailed handbooks of all their symbols for all Ukrainians to study. People in the former USSR countries today might know symbols they would commonly see in war movies - the swastika, the runic SS letters, and the war eagle - that's about it. In any case, symbols like pseudo-pagan imagery and Nordic runes common among Azov fighters are widespread in military units worldwide. Not to mention also among all sorts of other social groups like neo-pagans, metalheads, etc. Equating this aesthetic to sympathies towards Nazi Germany is incorrect.
More importantly, the article also says:
The Azov-Nazi obsession demonstrates a remarkable failure to engage with Ukrainian sources, including the experiences of its Jewish community, which has long been scathing of the Russian claim that neo-Nazim is widespread in Ukraine. Likhachev notes from that from 2014-2022 there were exactly zero reports of anti-Semitic incidents committed by Azov in Mariupol, despite the city’s sizeable Jewish community. Anti-Semitism has little resonance even among more extreme Ukrainian nationalist elements, while polling demonstrates that Ukraine is among the least anti-Semitic and xenophobic countries in central-east Europe.Anyway, I do not want to veer further off-topic with this, I have given you what I think is a more accurate view, it is up to you what you choose to believe.
Good points and I did learn from the article. In the end, all I was trying to say is that I don't think Kyrie's comments will really effect his trade value. Every team that wants him no more or less what they are getting.
Maybe Kyrie and Ye can record an anti-Semitic rap album and premiere the first video on Infowars
Rookie wrote:Kyrie is no w saying he is prepared tho o sit out the rest of the season if he is not traded. This, to me, is not a good look for Kyrie, yet again. Oye jeez this guy is his own worst enemy proving to the league once again that he will never be a team that player. The kid is on the wrong side of 30 but t doesn’t ever seem to grow up even just a little bit.If Kyrie can not be traded, if you’re the Nets, do you just buy him out after the deadline or let him sit out away from the team? I can see a scenario where the Nets let him sit out until he is not eligible for the playoffs and then buy him out. If they then can trade Durant in the off-season maybe they can right the ship without the drama twins. What a mess
This little shit no doubt planned to squeeze Nets ownership by waiting until one week before. Play well, show the game is there then squeeze. All this after he alienated with his short sighted statements.
Can this dude command a 4 year deal with no stipulations? He is 30, and still playing at a high level?
I have no hate for nets as a franchise. Players come and go, ownership comes and goes. They a franchise like any other and we have not had a real rivalry with them. They don’t eliminate us from playoffs, and we have not played important games with them. Knicks rule the city still. Thats my gig, I understand some feel differently.
I garner some sympathy for the ownership and FO as they have dealt with Kyrie fairly and he shits on them. I respect Durants game and he no doubt picked a wrong wing man in his attempt to create his own legacy with a franchise. They came close, but covid and personality disorders happend!
Durant will be remember in 20 years as sure fire first ballot HOF, MVP,, finals MVP and prolific scorer over along career. He won’t have a place on Mt Rushmore but will be in most conversations as a top 20 player.
I was rooting for Nets AND knicks to both be relevant with greatness and usher a new era of NY hoops! True greatness is determined by being tested and I will always root for the knicks to come out on top. 1990’s was fun despite the lack of a chip. Important games vs worthy rivals like Indy,, Miami, Detroit, and of course the Bulls made the seasons must see TV. I recall in a bar in Mexico watching the knicks/Bulls last game of season before playoff started. some playoff implications but Larry Johnson went off and knicks won. It was april. It was fun. It mattered.
Great teams are often measured by a worthy rival. No team go untested. I pit Lebrons 2016 performance in Clev vs the record setting 72 win GS team as a great win. Perhaps an upset. I know Lebron haters won’t agree, but to me it was a feat that is diluted in a great career somewhat. It was an amazing performance.
For that matter, Kyrie and Durant don’t add much to fabric of society. Lebron has matured to temper his comments for social justice and does throw some serious money in his school. Kyrie pay for a School? Not sure I want to slam Durant too much other than his social media sensitive debates.
At the end of the day, Kyrie off court is his issue. Im sure some of it affects his team but I have not seen where he is a team cancer. He is a franchise cancer because his actions keep him off the court.
gradyandrew wrote:ESOMKnicks wrote:gradyandrew wrote:As uncomfortable as this can sit with us, Gomza writes that the gravity of many of these symbols simply isn’t widely known in Ukraine, and can be “likely just an emblem of a successful fighting unit that protects Ukraine”, rather than a politically charged symbolSo Ukraine was the center of some of the fiercest fighting of WWII, and your article quotes this? 😂
Sure.
Sorry, but I fail to see your point. It is not like the Germans left behind detailed handbooks of all their symbols for all Ukrainians to study. People in the former USSR countries today might know symbols they would commonly see in war movies - the swastika, the runic SS letters, and the war eagle - that's about it. In any case, symbols like pseudo-pagan imagery and Nordic runes common among Azov fighters are widespread in military units worldwide. Not to mention also among all sorts of other social groups like neo-pagans, metalheads, etc. Equating this aesthetic to sympathies towards Nazi Germany is incorrect.
More importantly, the article also says:
The Azov-Nazi obsession demonstrates a remarkable failure to engage with Ukrainian sources, including the experiences of its Jewish community, which has long been scathing of the Russian claim that neo-Nazim is widespread in Ukraine. Likhachev notes from that from 2014-2022 there were exactly zero reports of anti-Semitic incidents committed by Azov in Mariupol, despite the city’s sizeable Jewish community. Anti-Semitism has little resonance even among more extreme Ukrainian nationalist elements, while polling demonstrates that Ukraine is among the least anti-Semitic and xenophobic countries in central-east Europe.Anyway, I do not want to veer further off-topic with this, I have given you what I think is a more accurate view, it is up to you what you choose to believe.
Good points and I did learn from the article. In the end, all I was trying to say is that I don't think Kyrie's comments will really effect his trade value. Every team that wants him no more or less what they are getting.
I posted essentially that I doubted Leon Rose - a Jew - would be cool with signing Kyrie. You posted all this other stuff - I get your point - but I don’t think it has anything to do with what Leon Rose will do. You can certainly feel free to forward those materials to his office and see.
Of course, this is notwithstanding all the other nonsense Kyrie brings. Simply my opinion - no way in hell Knicks do this. And hell is where you go to make that deal with you know who.
Apparently he has advised the nets he will not play in 1 more game for them the rest of the year in order to force a trade.
This is why the Ben Simmons holdout was soo bad.. He got away with it and now it emboldens other players to simply say I will sit and not play, but you better still pay me or else.
The Ben Simmons situation and the outcome was really bad for the long-term culture of the NBA.
It will also make the next Colelctive Bargaining agreement that much more contentious.
Players in the end are emnployees paid to do a particular service.
If I stopped showing up for work they would eventually not pay me.. jsut like everyone else.
Not sure what make Kyrie and certain other NBA players feel entitled to millions while not fulfilling their side of the contract.
This needs to stop... Players have to be punished, not rewarded for refusing to play.
nyvector16 wrote:Kyrie is textbook team cancer.
Apparently he has advised the nets he will not play in 1 more game for them the rest of the year in order to force a trade.
This is why the Ben Simmons holdout was soo bad.. He got away with it and now it emboldens other players to simply say I will sit and not play, but you better still pay me or else.
The Ben Simmons situation and the outcome was really bad for the long-term culture of the NBA.
It will also make the next Colelctive Bargaining agreement that much more contentious.
Players in the end are emnployees paid to do a particular service.
If I stopped showing up for work they would eventually not pay me.. jsut like everyone else.
Not sure what make Kyrie and certain other NBA players feel entitled to millions while not fulfilling their side of the contract.
This needs to stop... Players have to be punished, not rewarded for refusing to play.
Simmons contention was he was injured (back). He also claimed mental health issues.
They settled. It was a bad look for both teams actually.
Kyrie has slammed into the wall of things not seen before. Vaccinations and antisemetic statements. Can’t recall NBA suspending anyone for racist comments. NFL has.
I’d put vince carter forcing his way out of Toronto and they get cents on the dollar as once he was in New Jersey he was back to form perhaps at the head of sabotage to leave.
James Harden pulled two leaving Rockets and Nets with less than stellar performance. Perhaps penalized this year as he is snubbed for the allstar game (thus far). His team is winning and he is playing rather well!
This new CBA will and should have “stipulations” to their employment contract. Get vax’d or not get paid.
The “conduct”, or making fired for making bad statements while under contract is a societal norm. I work for a bank. I cannot be a social media asshole. When “Karens” are newsworthy often they loose their jobs rather quickly. Kyrie and Kanye represent brands and have been let go. Kyrie represents the Nets, or any other team he is under contract for.
Maybe Kyrie wants a deal now before the new CBA kicks in? Maybe these “Stipulations” are forthcoming?
I don’t want to “see him getting away with it” either but in a perfect world we don’t have any of this but things pop up and change. Kyrie is a new breed of superstar. A fucking idiot who does not understand what he does not know and has a platform to garner public support. In the era of Trump, the Kanye’s and Kyries will continue.
Nalod wrote:Simmons contention was he was injured (back). He also claimed mental health issues.
They settled. It was a bad look for both teams actually.
Kyrie has slammed into the wall of things not seen before. Vaccinations and antisemetic statements. Can’t recall NBA suspending anyone for racist comments. NFL has.
I’d put vince carter forcing his way out of Toronto and they get cents on the dollar as once he was in New Jersey he was back to form perhaps at the head of sabotage to leave.
James Harden pulled two leaving Rockets and Nets with less than stellar performance. Perhaps penalized this year as he is snubbed for the allstar game (thus far). His team is winning and he is playing rather well!
This new CBA will and should have “stipulations” to their employment contract. Get vax’d or not get paid.
The “conduct”, or making fired for making bad statements while under contract is a societal norm. I work for a bank. I cannot be a social media asshole. When “Karens” are newsworthy often they loose their jobs rather quickly. Kyrie and Kanye represent brands and have been let go. Kyrie represents the Nets, or any other team he is under contract for.
Maybe Kyrie wants a deal now before the new CBA kicks in? Maybe these “Stipulations” are forthcoming?
I don’t want to “see him getting away with it” either but in a perfect world we don’t have any of this but things pop up and change. Kyrie is a new breed of superstar. A fucking idiot who does not understand what he does not know and has a platform to garner public support. In the era of Trump, the Kanye’s and Kyries will continue.
Excellent post!!!
KnickDanger wrote:gradyandrew wrote:ESOMKnicks wrote:gradyandrew wrote:As uncomfortable as this can sit with us, Gomza writes that the gravity of many of these symbols simply isn’t widely known in Ukraine, and can be “likely just an emblem of a successful fighting unit that protects Ukraine”, rather than a politically charged symbolSo Ukraine was the center of some of the fiercest fighting of WWII, and your article quotes this? 😂
Sure.
Sorry, but I fail to see your point. It is not like the Germans left behind detailed handbooks of all their symbols for all Ukrainians to study. People in the former USSR countries today might know symbols they would commonly see in war movies - the swastika, the runic SS letters, and the war eagle - that's about it. In any case, symbols like pseudo-pagan imagery and Nordic runes common among Azov fighters are widespread in military units worldwide. Not to mention also among all sorts of other social groups like neo-pagans, metalheads, etc. Equating this aesthetic to sympathies towards Nazi Germany is incorrect.
More importantly, the article also says:
The Azov-Nazi obsession demonstrates a remarkable failure to engage with Ukrainian sources, including the experiences of its Jewish community, which has long been scathing of the Russian claim that neo-Nazim is widespread in Ukraine. Likhachev notes from that from 2014-2022 there were exactly zero reports of anti-Semitic incidents committed by Azov in Mariupol, despite the city’s sizeable Jewish community. Anti-Semitism has little resonance even among more extreme Ukrainian nationalist elements, while polling demonstrates that Ukraine is among the least anti-Semitic and xenophobic countries in central-east Europe.Anyway, I do not want to veer further off-topic with this, I have given you what I think is a more accurate view, it is up to you what you choose to believe.
Good points and I did learn from the article. In the end, all I was trying to say is that I don't think Kyrie's comments will really effect his trade value. Every team that wants him no more or less what they are getting.
I posted essentially that I doubted Leon Rose - a Jew - would be cool with signing Kyrie. You posted all this other stuff - I get your point - but I don’t think it has anything to do with what Leon Rose will do. You can certainly feel free to forward those materials to his office and see.
Of course, this is notwithstanding all the other nonsense Kyrie brings. Simply my opinion - no way in hell Knicks do this. And hell is where you go to make that deal with you know who.
Kyrie probably thinks mark Cuban is Cuban. Wait til he finds what his background really is.