Knicks · [Game Thread 4/18/23] Game 2 at Cavs 7:30PM, TNT & MSG (page 11)

Panos wrote:Obi should have gotten more minutes tonight

Agree

GustavBahler wrote:

ramtour420 wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Clean wrote:Next season we need actual shot making. Having our offense being based on getting offensive rebounds won't be good enough the further in the playoffs we get.

We have two starters in RJ. and Grimes, without a reliable midrange game. They might be able to get by without one in the regular season, but not in the playoffs.

Grimes is a good passer off of penetration. But he needs plays to do that

Has to be able to do that off of improvisation as well.

Grimes Achilles heel has always been 2 fold —- not fully confident and no pull-up mid-range which is remarkable for a guy with his stroke. That said he has shown skills but the offense with Barrett/Randle mostly leaves him standing without the ball all game.

RJ - there is no hope of a mid range coming —- ship has left the dock, port and country.

blkexec wrote:I would sit hart and put in deuce. I rather lose with deuce playing vs re-injury to hart. We need him to win the series, not the game. Cavs did what they said they would do. Seems like whoever hits first wins. Plus the refs suck and are unpredictable. They call a foul when there’s no foul and don’t call a foul when there’s a foul. On both ends.

And you wonder why I’ve been on thibs. In game adjustments

Rookie wrote:How many more years on RJ’s contract?

LOL - if you think we know it what do you think front office is thinking?

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This is why players don't want to play for Thibs.

LivingLegend wrote:

Rookie wrote:How many more years on RJ’s contract?

LOL - if you think we know it what do you think frontmoffice is thinking?

GustavBahler wrote:

CleaverGreene wrote:

MS wrote:Thibs has sucked all night long.

WTF is he doing.

Randle is garbage Brunson is awful. Just rest them. It happens.

Put in rose / Fournier / McBride live to fight another day.

He didn’t adjust. We got the split we got what we needed.

Makes no sense to have our big 3 in the game so late when down by 25.

I wouldnt call it old school, just stubborn and egotistical. Having said that, I dont put the loss on Thibs. No one really stepped up, like a cascade failure. Game like these happen, its what adjustments Thibs makes.

Concerned about the injury issue with JB and Randle. Cavs left Mitchell in too long also, IMO.

I kind of understand that he might leave RJ in to find his game.

Panos wrote:

Panos wrote:

ramtour420 wrote:

Panos wrote:

Rookie wrote:How many more years on RJ’s contract?

Honest question: is EF worse than RJ at this point?

Yes, RJ tries to defend. He was guarding Garland most of the game. Wait, what ? Lol

RJ plays defense like an 80 year old man trying to get off the sofa

Guy going down steps 1st was definitely RJ because he went down left the whole way

LivingLegend wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

ramtour420 wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Clean wrote:Next season we need actual shot making. Having our offense being based on getting offensive rebounds won't be good enough the further in the playoffs we get.

We have two starters in RJ. and Grimes, without a reliable midrange game. They might be able to get by without one in the regular season, but not in the playoffs.

Grimes is a good passer off of penetration. But he needs plays to do that

Has to be able to do that off of improvisation as well.

Grimes Achilles heel has always been 2 fold —- not fully confident and no pull-up mid-range which is remarkable for a guy with his stroke. That said he has shown skills but the offense with Barrett/Randle mostly leaves him standing without the ball all game.

RJ - there is no hope of a mid range coming —- ship has left the dock, port and country.

RJ has one off of pivot moves, but he doesnt have a floater, or a pullup jumper from midrange. We watched him go mostly to that same drive that whiffs too often.

Also too often uses a Melo-like amount of time to get his shot off, when he isnt that good. Which is why he needs a midrange, to get a shot off faster.

Clean wrote:

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This is why players don't want to play for Thibs.

My biggest concern is the refs will totally change the rhythm and start calling tricky tack fouls after letting this gsme get away from them

BRIGGS wrote:Cavs made excellent adjustments
They doubled Brunson high and worked him all night
They cut their rotation down and really shut out wade and okarro
The shot distribution was way better

They ran a high PnR with Garland and Allen that enabled Garland to get into the paint easily every time. From there he continued to dump it of, draw fouls or score at a high clip. That was the game right there. We had no answer.

BRIGGS wrote:Cavs made excellent adjustments
They doubled Brunson high and worked him all night
They cut their rotation down and really shut out wade and okarro
The shot distribution was way better

This is the main thing. They cut out non shooters. We need to do the same with RJ but you know he will start next game and still get big minutes. The spreading the shots around got the others in rhythm. We need to do the same. It is why players like Grimes and Obi play better when the ball moves. Deep into the 2nd both Grimes and IQ had 2 shots taken combined.

GustavBahler wrote:

LivingLegend wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

ramtour420 wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Clean wrote:Next season we need actual shot making. Having our offense being based on getting offensive rebounds won't be good enough the further in the playoffs we get.

We have two starters in RJ. and Grimes, without a reliable midrange game. They might be able to get by without one in the regular season, but not in the playoffs.

Grimes is a good passer off of penetration. But he needs plays to do that

Has to be able to do that off of improvisation as well.

Grimes Achilles heel has always been 2 fold —- not fully confident and no pull-up mid-range which is remarkable for a guy with his stroke. That said he has shown skills but the offense with Barrett/Randle mostly leaves him standing without the ball all game.

RJ - there is no hope of a mid range coming —- ship has left the dock, port and country.

RJ has one off of pivot moves, but he doesnt have a floater, or a pullup jumper from midrange. We watched him go mostly to that same drive that whiffs too often.

Also too often uses a Melo-like amount of time to get his shot off, when he isnt that good. Which is why he needs a midrange, to get a shot off faster.

LOL - there was about 9 minutes left and we were down ~20 and RJ was dribbling around trying to find his shot and I’m thinking the entire 4th quarter is going to run out.

LivingLegend wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

LivingLegend wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

ramtour420 wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Clean wrote:Next season we need actual shot making. Having our offense being based on getting offensive rebounds won't be good enough the further in the playoffs we get.

We have two starters in RJ. and Grimes, without a reliable midrange game. They might be able to get by without one in the regular season, but not in the playoffs.

Grimes is a good passer off of penetration. But he needs plays to do that

Has to be able to do that off of improvisation as well.

Grimes Achilles heel has always been 2 fold —- not fully confident and no pull-up mid-range which is remarkable for a guy with his stroke. That said he has shown skills but the offense with Barrett/Randle mostly leaves him standing without the ball all game.

RJ - there is no hope of a mid range coming —- ship has left the dock, port and country.

RJ has one off of pivot moves, but he doesnt have a floater, or a pullup jumper from midrange. We watched him go mostly to that same drive that whiffs too often.

Also too often uses a Melo-like amount of time to get his shot off, when he isnt that good. Which is why he needs a midrange, to get a shot off faster.

LOL - there was about 9 minutes left and we were down ~20 and RJ was dribbling around trying to find his shot and I’m thinking the entire 4th quarter is going to run out.

LOL yup, was thinking the same thing.

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Clean wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Cavs made excellent adjustments
They doubled Brunson high and worked him all night
They cut their rotation down and really shut out wade and okarro
The shot distribution was way better

This is the main thing. They cut out non shooters. We need to do the same with RJ but you know he will start next game and still get big minutes. The spreading the shots around got the others in rhythm. We need to do the same. It is why players like Grimes and Obi play better when the ball moves. Deep into the 2nd both Grimes and IQ had 2 shots taken combined.

Playoffs is all about adjustments. Bickerstaff made some great adjustments and it paid off, now its Thibs move on the chess board. Cavs are targeting Brunson on both sides of the ball. Will be interesting to see how Thibs adjust. Watching Mitchell competely control the offense in 4th, running PNR and with shooter surrounding him reminded me of the late game Utah situations...

GustavBahler wrote:

LivingLegend wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

LivingLegend wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

ramtour420 wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Clean wrote:Next season we need actual shot making. Having our offense being based on getting offensive rebounds won't be good enough the further in the playoffs we get.

We have two starters in RJ. and Grimes, without a reliable midrange game. They might be able to get by without one in the regular season, but not in the playoffs.

Grimes is a good passer off of penetration. But he needs plays to do that

Has to be able to do that off of improvisation as well.

Grimes Achilles heel has always been 2 fold —- not fully confident and no pull-up mid-range which is remarkable for a guy with his stroke. That said he has shown skills but the offense with Barrett/Randle mostly leaves him standing without the ball all game.

RJ - there is no hope of a mid range coming —- ship has left the dock, port and country.

RJ has one off of pivot moves, but he doesnt have a floater, or a pullup jumper from midrange. We watched him go mostly to that same drive that whiffs too often.

Also too often uses a Melo-like amount of time to get his shot off, when he isnt that good. Which is why he needs a midrange, to get a shot off faster.

LOL - there was about 9 minutes left and we were down ~20 and RJ was dribbling around trying to find his shot and I’m thinking the entire 4th quarter is going to run out.

LOL yup, was thinking the same thing.