Swishfm3 wrote:martin wrote:Nalod wrote:Clean wrote:KnickDanger wrote:Clean wrote:I know we have some RJ/Randle fans but at least one of them has to go for someone with better shooting/defense. This is 2023 we can't be trotting out a starting lineup with 2 inefficient offensive players and a non factor on offense at center. Mitch has done enough with rebounding to fool people into thinking we have a good offense. Grimes is good on D but not shooting good enough for being labeled a shooter. RJ has stepped up recently but I don't trust him to keep it going for the rest of his career. Randle is who he is and that is not a good fit for this team if we want to get better. We can't give him away because we need all the talent we can get but we need to upgrade from him if possible. By trading RJ and/or Randle we can take in a more offensive centered star player without tipping too heavily into bad defense for the team as a whole. This team can't afford another bad defender if we keep both RJ and Randle.
We lose a second round playoff game and we're back to dumping Randle and RJ. Okay.
I never said dump. We don't have the talent level to give them away and still play well. I said upgrade from them for better fittng players. In the post you quoted it specifically says "We can't give him away because we need all the talent we can get but we need to upgrade from him if possible." How do you read that and come away with I want to dump them?
It is also not "back to" anything because I never came off this stance. Both played terrible defense all season. Both are bad shooters. The whole year our team has had some of the worst shooting numbers in the league but ended up with a good offensive rating because of rebounds. In this years playoff it is showing why that is not sustainable. We are having bottom of the barrel shooting on a nightly basis. We have about as good of a playoff path as you can get and still it is going to be a struggle if we can't even shoot close to league average shooting.
The Cavs are a good matchup for us and then we play the 8th seed. You can't ask for a better path than that. The problem is the Heat have improved their shooting and we have gotten worst.
Miami was three games back from us. Not a typical 8 seed. We not talking about a shit team.
Don't believe me?
1. They were in finals two years ago.
2. they were top seed last year, lost to Boston in 7 to go to finals.
3. They just took apart the no. 1 seed.
We got beat by a good team. There is a reality here that sometimes you win, some times you lose, but when you do you get beaten. Fans just assume we "lost" and could have done things differently.
Team played good, they did not execute what the opponent gave us. It happens.
Moving from Randle or RJ without real details is fantasy thinking..........
Thats for the off season.
I’ll take it one step further. It seems like there is a broad assumption that the Knicks should win every game if Thibs can just make the right adjustments. Even when they are down what amounts to 2 starters. And are missing completely wide open shots. And only hitting 12 of 20 FTs. And not getting fouls called equal to that of the opponent.
Included in some of those adjustments is playing Fournier minutes. Fucking Fourier?
It’s mind boggling to me.
Other teams are pretty good too. Miami is REALLY good.
I dont understand why this is so difficult for you.
I haven’t read every thread on this site but I believe the main issue is that Thibs made ZERO adjustments.
Not one.
It was basically 5 v 4 in the closing minutes and nothing.
Duncan was 0/5 in his 10-12 min of play but there was a body on him because the Knicks knew what he is/was capable of.
You put Fournier in and MAYBE his presence will force Spo to move away from playing a zone and open up the paint for our players..He could have guarded Butler who was barely moving. MAYBE…while he’s out there, he manages to hit a 3pter or 2..because, you know, thats his specialty.
But nope…let’s not think outside the box. Nothing the Knicks did in that second half was working but I guess it doesn’t matter cause other Miami is REALLY good, so it’s ok.
It’s not that difficult really. Fournier has shown us all year that he is not worth playing time. Same with Rose.
What makes you think that he putting in a vet who has shot 30% from 3point range and out of the rotation for the whole year will suddenly wake up and make a few shots? And also let us know what you think of the downside of having Fournier guard anyone.
And who are you sitting at the end of the game? RJ? IQ? Hart? Guys that actually got you there?
I can almost see trying McBride, at least he has been had spot minutes, but not at end of game. You HAVE to go with the guys who got you there.
Nalod wrote:Clean wrote:KnickDanger wrote:Clean wrote:I know we have some RJ/Randle fans but at least one of them has to go for someone with better shooting/defense. This is 2023 we can't be trotting out a starting lineup with 2 inefficient offensive players and a non factor on offense at center. Mitch has done enough with rebounding to fool people into thinking we have a good offense. Grimes is good on D but not shooting good enough for being labeled a shooter. RJ has stepped up recently but I don't trust him to keep it going for the rest of his career. Randle is who he is and that is not a good fit for this team if we want to get better. We can't give him away because we need all the talent we can get but we need to upgrade from him if possible. By trading RJ and/or Randle we can take in a more offensive centered star player without tipping too heavily into bad defense for the team as a whole. This team can't afford another bad defender if we keep both RJ and Randle.
We lose a second round playoff game and we're back to dumping Randle and RJ. Okay.
I never said dump. We don't have the talent level to give them away and still play well. I said upgrade from them for better fittng players. In the post you quoted it specifically says "We can't give him away because we need all the talent we can get but we need to upgrade from him if possible." How do you read that and come away with I want to dump them?
It is also not "back to" anything because I never came off this stance. Both played terrible defense all season. Both are bad shooters. The whole year our team has had some of the worst shooting numbers in the league but ended up with a good offensive rating because of rebounds. In this years playoff it is showing why that is not sustainable. We are having bottom of the barrel shooting on a nightly basis. We have about as good of a playoff path as you can get and still it is going to be a struggle if we can't even shoot close to league average shooting.
The Cavs are a good matchup for us and then we play the 8th seed. You can't ask for a better path than that. The problem is the Heat have improved their shooting and we have gotten worst.
Miami was three games back from us. Not a typical 8 seed. We not talking about a shit team.
Don't believe me?
1. They were in finals two years ago.
2. they were top seed last year, lost to Boston in 7 to go to finals.
3. They just took apart the no. 1 seed.
We got beat by a good team. There is a reality here that sometimes you win, some times you lose, but when you do you get beaten. Fans just assume we "lost" and could have done things differently.
Team played good, they did not execute what the opponent gave us. It happens.
Moving from Randle or RJ without real details is fantasy thinking..........
Thats for the off season.
I never said the Heat are not a good team. I said we got the best path possible. Would you rather us face the Bucks or the Heat? If you say the Heat then you agree with me. You guys have to stop adding things to what I said and then debating me about something you added.
Talking about upgrading from Randle/RJ is not fantasy. It is noticing our weakness and knowing that to get better we need to improve on them. If you want to wait until the offseason to talk about the areas that need improving then that is a decision you made for yourself. I will do it whenever I want. I am rooting for the team and its players to win as much as possible but I will talk about areas that are holding us back when I see it.
re: Doris
I rewatched the first half of the game. During the Knicks big run Doris was almost completely silent. It makes me think she came to the game unprepared without anything to say about the Knicks. The only anecdote I remember was that RJ had moved his shooting pocket. When the Heat got going,.she had plenty to say, but mostly just about the vets.
Doris is a Knicks fan and like Breen on national broadcasts she bends over backwards trying not to look like a Knick homer.
That said - she annoyed me as well and I had game muted.
We are spoiled having Breen and Clyde for most games that everyone else is a huge downgrade and sound like shit.
Spo is another level from The Cavs coach JB. He had this ready from game 1 and the Cavs coach never even tried it. Lets see how Tibs counters it.
Clean wrote:
Spo is another level from The Cavs coach JB. He had this ready from game 1 and the Cavs coach never even tried it. Lets see how Tibs counters it.
Or, Knicks adjusted but did not execute. Teams do things and other team has no answer. Spo pulled it off and we had no answer.
They executed it.
Things happen. Heat are very good.
Lost by 7 points and it was close at end.
