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Shot 50-40-73% put up 9-5-5-1-1. Not athletic and slow footed,a jack of all trades master of non. Filled up stat sheet a couple times with KAT out a lot of the season. Has a couple triple doubles with like 2-4stls, blks, threes.
Anderson is a lot like Hart - kind of like a more legit big-man version of him, like Draymond Green. Has real size, can post up, and blocks shots. The post-up game would be a dimension that our team would benefit from - we mostly get post-ups out of Brunson and to a lesser extent, Randle. When those guys sit, we have exclusively face-up guys that shoot 3s or score in transition. Someone like Anderson could get us cheap points in the paint and limit our scoring outages. As a bonus, he can play a legit pass-first PG. He basically replaced D'Lo after the trade to the Lakers. Super value contract. 2yr/$18m.
Another player I'd look at is Kelly Olynyk. Another do-it-all guy, elite shooter, overall pain in the ass with a nasty streak. Basically 50/40/85% with 12.5/6.2/3.7 plus .9spg and .5bpg. When he gets consistent minutes he's a monster (see his time in Houston). He's even bigger (and slower) than Anderson... and Draymond and Hart. He'd be on my short list of finishing touches to a championship contender because he can help in so many ways. Currently on a 3yr/$36m contract. He's currently on Utah - and we have this thing with Danny Ainge, so I don't really see us grabbing him.
newyorknewyork wrote:Knixkik wrote:ramtour420 wrote:Knixkik wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:Kyle Anderson would be my target. But doubt Minny gives him up for the same reasons we would want him. But he is only one piece to a couple steps we need to take.
He can’t shoot a lick.
I thought he was pretty good from 3 land. At least a few years ago he was.
He’s slightly below league average on very low volume. He’s like Hart from 3 but shoots even less.
Shot 50-40-73% put up 9-5-5-1-1. Not athletic and slow footed,a jack of all trades master of non. Filled up stat sheet a couple times with KAT out a lot of the season. Has a couple triple doubles with like 2-4stls, blks, threes.
This is the first season in his entire career he shot above league average from three and it’s incredibly low volume so I just can’t buy it. We need real shooting.
Knixkik wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:Knixkik wrote:ramtour420 wrote:Knixkik wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:Kyle Anderson would be my target. But doubt Minny gives him up for the same reasons we would want him. But he is only one piece to a couple steps we need to take.
He can’t shoot a lick.
I thought he was pretty good from 3 land. At least a few years ago he was.
He’s slightly below league average on very low volume. He’s like Hart from 3 but shoots even less.
Shot 50-40-73% put up 9-5-5-1-1. Not athletic and slow footed,a jack of all trades master of non. Filled up stat sheet a couple times with KAT out a lot of the season. Has a couple triple doubles with like 2-4stls, blks, threes.
This is the first season in his entire career he shot above league average from three and it’s incredibly low volume so I just can’t buy it. We need real shooting.
Nah, he's at around 35% for his career, which is about league average. But you are right, it is on a low volume and he has been fairly streaky throughout his career. I value his ability as a connector on offense than I do his shooting, TBH. But I'm looking for better defense as well. Anderson could fit, but he's not the right fit.
Panos wrote:I guess no one liked my idea of bringing back Marcus Morris?
Been there, done that?
My sense from LAC fans is that he is done. Legs shot
Knixkik wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:Knixkik wrote:ramtour420 wrote:Knixkik wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:Kyle Anderson would be my target. But doubt Minny gives him up for the same reasons we would want him. But he is only one piece to a couple steps we need to take.
He can’t shoot a lick.
I thought he was pretty good from 3 land. At least a few years ago he was.
He’s slightly below league average on very low volume. He’s like Hart from 3 but shoots even less.
Shot 50-40-73% put up 9-5-5-1-1. Not athletic and slow footed,a jack of all trades master of non. Filled up stat sheet a couple times with KAT out a lot of the season. Has a couple triple doubles with like 2-4stls, blks, threes.
This is the first season in his entire career he shot above league average from three and it’s incredibly low volume so I just can’t buy it. We need real shooting.
Need shooting who also won't be defensive liabilities and provide some other intangibles as well or Thibs isn't going to play them. IE Fournier, Reddish, Kemba.
Player capable of producing triple doubles from time to time with stls, blks, and some threes also sprinkled in is exactly a piece the team needs to add. Granted not the sole piece.
Vooch would be another one in my book.
Alec Burks will be back for emergency wing depth
Rokas will be brought over. Rokas will want to come over now, the Knicks are good again. He will get to compete for minutes behind Brunson with a no pressure situation
Alpha1971 wrote:Alec Burks will be back for emergency wing depth
Rokas will be brought over. Rokas will want to come over now, the Knicks are good again. He will get to compete for minutes behind Brunson with a no pressure situation
Knicks will make smart moves but conserve picks for a future major deal. Will use conditional picks contracts like Obis, Evans, Deuces and Isaiah Roby's.
Alpha1971 wrote:Alec Burks will be back for emergency wing depth
Rokas will be brought over. Rokas will want to come over now, the Knicks are good again. He will get to compete for minutes behind Brunson with a no pressure situation
All things being equal, Knicks will have Grimes, RJ, IQ, Deuce, Brunson, Hart, Fournier on the roster.
There is zero reason for Burks, as much as we like how he makes 3point shots but for whatever reason doesn't really get to the rim.
Keep drafting smart 2 way players like IQ and Grimes.
The idea that Burks is a better shooter than Hart just because he makes 40% of a modest number of three pointers is silly. Check out their eFG% numbers for the full story. Hart is just about an average 3 point shooter for his career (35%) but an elite 2 point shooter. He’s a great finisher. Burks puts up good % from three but is dreadful on 2 pointers for some reason. As a result Hart typically puts up a much higher eFG% than Burks. Plus I like Harts defense and all around game infinitely better than Burks.
FrenchFreak wrote:The idea that Burks is a better shooter than Hart just because he makes 40% of a modest number of three pointers is silly. Check out their eFG% numbers for the full story. Hart is just about an average 3 point shooter for his career (35%) but an elite 2 point shooter. He’s a great finisher. Burks puts up good % from three but is dreadful on 2 pointers for some reason. As a result Hart typically puts up a much higher eFG% than Burks. Plus I like Harts defense and all around game infinitely better than Burks.
Burks will be a trusted vet on a vet min is why I mention him.
The market may not have a player like Hart who shoots better that the Knicks can sign or trade for. Knicks might just bank on Hart and RJ to work on expanding their roles in the offense and having them work with coaches on shooting more during the offseason If with continuity this rotation should be better and if RJ and Hart improve from three point range and so does Deuce, Isiah Heartenstein and Grimes shoots more often from 3 that may be the most likely means to improve the team offensively. Plus add a few low costs vets or find a gem from the g league to round out the deep bench. Competitive teams add vets with a skill set for emergency use for injuries and foul times we are that team now who will add vets now. Like Derrick Rose but with more gas in the tank
I guess we not talking about Kevin Knox anymore?
Trier couldn’t even get a gig over seas?
If we ever do a deal with Dallas again, can we bring back Frank just for the fun of it?
At the end of the day we all know Deuce can change a game with defense. So could Frank.
Frank was timid and was not hitting his shots. Deuce has a cool nickname and is not timid but if he wants to stick in the league he has to start sticking those shots. Im hoping he can make it!!!!
Alpha1971 wrote:The market may not have a player like Hart who shoots better that the Knicks can sign or trade for. Knicks might just bank on Hart and RJ to work on expanding their roles in the offense and having them work with coaches on shooting more during the offseason If with continuity this rotation should be better and if RJ and Hart improve from three point range and so does Deuce, Isiah Heartenstein and Grimes shoots more often from 3 that may be the most likely means to improve the team offensively. Plus add a few low costs vets or find a gem from the g league to round out the deep bench. Competitive teams add vets with a skill set for emergency use for injuries and foul times we are that team now who will add vets now. Like Derrick Rose but with more gas in the tank
I think with Barrett and Harts ability to play backup 4, we can just target a shooter who can hold their own defensively and the position doesn’t matter. Barrett plays a lot with the second unit so think of a lineup with Quickley, Hart, Barrett, and Hartenstein and whom that 5th player should be. It can be a bigger guard or wing, just needs to be a shooter who can also defend.
Alpha1971 wrote:Caleb Martin
Good name. His brother was really good against us. Caleb has been injured but he is a solid player. Could definitely be had from Charlotte.
FrenchFreak wrote:The idea that Burks is a better shooter than Hart just because he makes 40% of a modest number of three pointers is silly. Check out their eFG% numbers for the full story. Hart is just about an average 3 point shooter for his career (35%) but an elite 2 point shooter. He’s a great finisher. Burks puts up good % from three but is dreadful on 2 pointers for some reason. As a result Hart typically puts up a much higher eFG% than Burks. Plus I like Harts defense and all around game infinitely better than Burks.
Here we go again. Citing sabometrics over actual stats
Philc1 wrote:FrenchFreak wrote:The idea that Burks is a better shooter than Hart just because he makes 40% of a modest number of three pointers is silly. Check out their eFG% numbers for the full story. Hart is just about an average 3 point shooter for his career (35%) but an elite 2 point shooter. He’s a great finisher. Burks puts up good % from three but is dreadful on 2 pointers for some reason. As a result Hart typically puts up a much higher eFG% than Burks. Plus I like Harts defense and all around game infinitely better than Burks.
Here we go again. Citing sabometrics over actual stats
Eh, I'm inclined to believe Burks is a better shooter. I'd like to see their percentages off of one or two dribbles. Burks takes more difficult shots while Hart is selective and takes shots that are more comfortable for him in the flow of the offense. Burks isn't good from 2 because of his diet of midrange shots. I'm in not saying Burks is better than Hart. I'm taking Hart 10/10. But Burks does have a knack for creating shots off the dribble that any team could use.
BigDaddyG wrote:Philc1 wrote:FrenchFreak wrote:The idea that Burks is a better shooter than Hart just because he makes 40% of a modest number of three pointers is silly. Check out their eFG% numbers for the full story. Hart is just about an average 3 point shooter for his career (35%) but an elite 2 point shooter. He’s a great finisher. Burks puts up good % from three but is dreadful on 2 pointers for some reason. As a result Hart typically puts up a much higher eFG% than Burks. Plus I like Harts defense and all around game infinitely better than Burks.
Here we go again. Citing sabometrics over actual stats
Eh, I'm inclined to believe Burks is a better shooter. I'd like to see their percentages off of one or two dribbles. Burks takes more difficult shots while Hart is selective and takes shots that are more comfortable for him in the flow of the offense. Burks isn't good from 2 because of his diet of midrange shots. I'm in not saying Burks is better than Hart. I'm taking Hart 10/10. But Burks does have a knack for creating shots off the dribble that any team could use.
Hart is the better defender and rebounder but burks is the better outside shooter and will be way cheaper available on a one year deal
I’d like to have both but hart is not worth a $70 million extension
BigDaddyG wrote:Philc1 wrote:FrenchFreak wrote:The idea that Burks is a better shooter than Hart just because he makes 40% of a modest number of three pointers is silly. Check out their eFG% numbers for the full story. Hart is just about an average 3 point shooter for his career (35%) but an elite 2 point shooter. He’s a great finisher. Burks puts up good % from three but is dreadful on 2 pointers for some reason. As a result Hart typically puts up a much higher eFG% than Burks. Plus I like Harts defense and all around game infinitely better than Burks.
Here we go again. Citing sabometrics over actual stats
Eh, I'm inclined to believe Burks is a better shooter. I'd like to see their percentages off of one or two dribbles. Burks takes more difficult shots while Hart is selective and takes shots that are more comfortable for him in the flow of the offense. Burks isn't good from 2 because of his diet of midrange shots. I'm in not saying Burks is better than Hart. I'm taking Hart 10/10. But Burks does have a knack for creating shots off the dribble that any team could use.
The fact that Miami beat us with multiple guys who fit what just described Burks, probably means the stats don't matter too much. I agree Burks would be a benefit here, especially when used in his proper role.
To me Burks is a nice player to replace Toppin’s minutes with. Play him 16 mpg off the bench and use Hart or Barrett as backup 4 in those minutes.
